Depressing home stats

[CougPatrol]

There is another active thread on here about how our fan interest seems to be declining, which prompted me to look at some stats. I hand calculated these stats, so they may be off by a game or two, but not much.

Check this out.

Our conference home record (Pullman games only) since 2008 is 4-26


We're 0-6 at Century Link Field since 2008We haven't won consecutive home conference games since 2003

Since 2003, we've only won consecutive home games (including non-conference) twice; 2011 vs. Idaho State and UNLV, and 2013 vs. Southern Utah and Idaho
A lot of people use bowl games as the barometer for success, and it typically is, but I think our performance in Martin Stadium is one of the most important things for OUR FANBASE.

When you sit back and look at these stats and consider the investment that our season ticket holders (donors) make; drive hundreds of miles, pay excessive hotel fees, navigate mountain passes and/or deal with frigid weather 1/2 the season, pay RV permit fees, deal with inconvenient parking, etc., it's a wonder we draw as many fans as we do.

We've won 4 conference home games over the past 7 years. Wow.

 

[CougEd]

Then to pile on...

The games in 2008 and 2009 weren't close. In 2010 some strides were made.

In 2012 we lost to a horrible CU team with a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter, then to Cal in the last second, plus the Rutgers game and that just tears the heart out.

 

[YakiCoug]

Debbie goes down on Debbie

You two should seek counseling. There has to be a piss-and-moan specialist near where you live.

 

[CougPatrol]

Re: Debbie goes down on Debbie


I have no idea where that comment came from or what prompted it, but you have really become a crude and conflict driven person over the years.

I don't get it.

 

[Fab5Coug]

They won back to back conference home games in '07 (UCLA & Stanford)

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:
They won back to back conference home games in '07 (UCLA & Stanford)

You're right!! Alex Brink was the last QB to win back to back conference home games. That sounds about right.

 

[spongebob11]

Re: Debbie goes down on Debbie

Stay classy

 

[Whitworth-Coug]

Re: Debbie goes down on Debbie

Originally posted by YakiCoug:

You two should seek counseling. There has to be a piss-and-moan specialist near where you live.

"Just one of the boys. Sharing our bunks. Eating our chow. Right in amongst the ones that beat me up.
Except that he beat hardest." - Sefton (Stalag 17)

 

[spongebob11]

Re: Debbie goes down on Debbie

Originally posted by Whitworth-Coug:"Just one of the boys. Sharing our bunks. Eating our chow. Right in amongst the ones that beat me up.
Except that he beat hardest." - Sefton (Stalag 17)

What a tool

 

[YakiCoug]

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:
They won back to back conference home games in '07 (UCLA & Stanford)

You're right!! Alex Brink was the last QB to win back to back conference home games. That sounds about right.

This piss-and-moan thread along with your earlier Debbie Downer whine about the athletic department says a lot about your mindset and motives these days. Never did we see you wet yourself so during 6 and 40, but here you are - again - complaining at a time we've yet to play a single game in 2015. Perhaps a little vacation is in order for you until this fall. Go spend some time with the kids, the wife (if she's still around to listen to you b!tch).

This post was edited on 4/2 7:06 PM by YakiCoug

 

[Cougsocal]

Originally posted by YakiCoug:

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:
They won back to back conference home games in '07 (UCLA & Stanford)

You're right!! Alex Brink was the last QB to win back to back conference home games. That sounds about right.

This piss-and-moan thread along with your earlier Debbie Downer whine about the athletic department says a lot about your mindset and motives these days. Never did we see you wet yourself so during 6 and 40, but here you are - again - complaining at a time we've yet to play a single game in 2015. Perhaps a little vacation is in order for you until this fall. Go spend some time with the kids, the wife (if she's still around to listen to you b!tch).


This post was edited on 4/2 7:06 PM by YakiCoug

Our football team remains bottom rung and our athletic department, top to bottom, remains the worst among all major conference schools in terms of the President's cup. Crap!!! On positive side, there is no where to go but up, and we have been 9-25 since the demonlition man left. Awesome!!!

Now that is, to quote Fox News, "fair and balanced."

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by Cougsocal:

Originally posted by YakiCoug:

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:
They won back to back conference home games in '07 (UCLA & Stanford)

You're right!! Alex Brink was the last QB to win back to back conference home games. That sounds about right.

This piss-and-moan thread along with your earlier Debbie Downer whine about the athletic department says a lot about your mindset and motives these days. Never did we see you wet yourself so during 6 and 40, but here you are - again - complaining at a time we've yet to play a single game in 2015. Perhaps a little vacation is in order for you until this fall. Go spend some time with the kids, the wife (if she's still around to listen to you b!tch).


This post was edited on 4/2 7:06 PM by YakiCoug

Our football team remains bottom rung and our athletic department, top to bottom, remains the worst among all major conference schools in terms of the President's cup. Crap!!! On positive side, there is no where to go but up, and we have been 9-25 since the demonlition man left. Awesome!!!

Now that is, to quote Fox News, "fair and balanced."

You have to explain to me why you thought that fixing what was wrong with the athletic department was going to be a quick fix. It has taken decades of neglect by the school to get WSU where it is now. Why did you think that fixing all the problems was going to be like flipping a light switch? Also, don't forget that for several decades, the entire conference was mismanaged by Tom Hansen. The conference has been so far behind in revenues for decades until recently. Every school in a major conference has a huge jump start on every Pac 12 school.

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by YakiCoug:

This piss-and-moan thread along with your earlier Debbie Downer whine about the athletic department says a lot about your mindset and motives these days. Never did we see you wet yourself so during 6 and 40, but here you are - again - complaining at a time we've yet to play a single game in 2015.

I supported Wulff while he was our coach, but I was thrilled that we hired Leach. I'm still glad Leach is our coach, and I've posted that on here dozens of times.

My "piss and moan" thread was a spin off from another recent thread that was questioning if fan interest was subsiding. I'm not in the wealthy donor category, but few Cougar fans have supported our football program more than I have over the past 30 years. I direct my criticism at our program and our processes more than I lay blame on individual coaches or directors.

There are valid geographical and economic reasons why we don't consistently contend for the top-tier bowls in our conference each year, but there are also correctable institutional and philosophical mistakes that our program has continued to make over, and over, and over again throughout the years. We keep making the mistakes, I keep complaining about them. Message board posters lambaste individuals, I offer an alternative hypothesis, or a big-picture view on why our fans don't come to games, or why we got stuck with Paul Wulff in the first place.

I don't know what's transpired in your life over the past several years, so I won't pass judgment on you, but I don't understand why you continue to bring so many personal attacks and vulgar messaging into these opinion threads. Regardless of a persons opinion on a coach, the starting QB, or whether or not we run the ball enough, they don't deserve to be crudely insulted.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Honestly, I'm surprised that you just now are figuring this out. It's one of the biggest reasons, imho, people aren't going to Pullman to watch games.

When CMP had the team competitive, EVEN IN THE DOWN YEARS, it always felt like we at least had a slugger's chance at home, and we knew we would at least take care of business against Idaho and the other cupcake non-cons. Since the mid-2000's though, you knew we would lose to the tough teams and it would be a dogfight+wing-and-a-prayer to get a win against the manure teams.

The last 2 years, though, have brought back some of the optimism for winning at home, I feel. I really thought that we would give the mutts a fight last year - home game, average to poor opponent, and a qb that was by all accounts up for the challenge even if he was green. I wasn't confident at all about Oregon, but we came out and gave them a scare. So losing a game you should have been competitive in + giving the #2 team in the nation a run = push, I guess?

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by BleedCrimsonandGray:

I wasn't confident at all about Oregon, but we came out and gave them a scare. So losing a game you should have been competitive in + giving the #2 team in the nation a run = push, I guess?

I don't agree about signs of optimism at home over the past 2 years. Giving Oregon a game was fun. Falling behind by a ton of points early against Arizona, USC, and UW was deflating. In 2013, our only home league win was against Utah's 3rd string QB, and we hung on for dear life.

We need to play all (90%) of our home games competitively. That should be the barometer for Leach, and I think he has the type of system to get us there. Moving the ball up and down the field at home should be the norm.

 

[ElComanche]

The botom line is that leach has to start producing. The average fan wants to have hope His home spun charm is wearing thin as people are grumbling. I believe that this is the year when the program turns the corner. it would be nice to see 6-7 wins and a minor bowl from this years' team.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by BleedCrimsonandGray:

I wasn't confident at all about Oregon, but we came out and gave them a scare. So losing a game you should have been competitive in + giving the #2 team in the nation a run = push, I guess?

I don't agree about signs of optimism at home over the past 2 years. Giving Oregon a game was fun. Falling behind by a ton of points early against Arizona, USC, and UW was deflating. In 2013, our only home league win was against Utah's 3rd string QB, and we hung on for dear life.

We need to play all (90%) of our home games competitively. That should be the barometer for Leach, and I think he has the type of system to get us there. Moving the ball up and down the field at home should be the norm.

I didn't say "signs" of optimism, I said I was optimistic.

CH could move the ball a ton and we were scoring 30+ pts regularly. IMHO, that formula means you always have a chance to win a game.

The wild card was the D and whether or not they would show up, and based on a couple of bright flashes I thought that a) they were improving (I was wrong) and b) they could manage not to give up 50 to weak teams (not completely wrong, but almost.)

I don't think we'll ever be a 90% at home team (5-6 wins) consistently, and I think its an unrealistic expectation most years. We are shooting as a program to be a middling team who does really well every 5 years; that means that we still have to play some really tough teams at home. In my opinion we should be winning 50% of home games minimum on average, shooting for 4 or maybe 5 in our rebuild/ off years depending on scheduling.

 

[wazzubruce]

Interesting thread. I didn't interpret that it was negative when it started. It seemed like a normal thing to discuss. However, it's not unusual that the numbers are down, given that WSU hasn't won at home for what seems like forever!!

I've been to every home game in the last decade, except the 66-3 thrashing by Kal, as I HAD to go to a family funeral. But let's be completely honest. There hasn't been an awful lot to cheer about around here for a long time.

The bowl year Leach took us to, had WSU being competitive again..... Last year, was great offense between both 20's and then not great in the red zone. The defense last year, even for having played great against Oregon at home was a dumpster fire. DB's STILL couldn't cover anyone.... couldn't intercept a pass..... (two all year)..... the D was just bad. No one can dispute that..... but the D didn't compare to the depths of the previous coaches D, which was NO D at all. I mean c'mon, USC took a knee before the H out of embarressment to our D and I guess pity.

Whatever....


The team needs to show improvements in all areas and needs to start winning home games.... winning will cure most things..... getting it going!

 

[Cougsocal]

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by Cougsocal:

Originally posted by YakiCoug:

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:
They won back to back conference home games in '07 (UCLA & Stanford)

You're right!! Alex Brink was the last QB to win back to back conference home games. That sounds about right.

This piss-and-moan thread along with your earlier Debbie Downer whine about the athletic department says a lot about your mindset and motives these days. Never did we see you wet yourself so during 6 and 40, but here you are - again - complaining at a time we've yet to play a single game in 2015. Perhaps a little vacation is in order for you until this fall. Go spend some time with the kids, the wife (if she's still around to listen to you b!tch).



This post was edited on 4/2 7:06 PM by YakiCoug

Our football team remains bottom rung and our athletic department, top to bottom, remains the worst among all major conference schools in terms of the President's cup. Crap!!! On positive side, there is no where to go but up, and we have been 9-25 since the demonlition man left. Awesome!!!

Now that is, to quote Fox News, "fair and balanced."

You have to explain to me why you thought that fixing what was wrong with the athletic department was going to be a quick fix. It has taken decades of neglect by the school to get WSU where it is now. Why did you think that fixing all the problems was going to be like flipping a light switch? Also, don't forget that for several decades, the entire conference was mismanaged by Tom Hansen. The conference has been so far behind in revenues for decades until recently. Every school in a major conference has a huge jump start on every Pac 12 school.

Do you know why the Pac-12 is call the Conference of Champions? Because the conference has won more NCAA championships than any other conference, 2-1. So much for "all that neglect." Stop whipping on Tom Hansen, to excuse Bill Moos' failing. Yeah, Tom gave us a crappy TV deal, but it didn't stop USC from winning a national championship, or the Mike Price from getting to a Rose Bowl working, lifting and training in a 100 year old gym. Amazing what the right hires can do.

5 years is more than a enough time to show signs of a turnaround, not success. I'm not saying we should have become Stanford of Ucla in five years, but we have shown little improvement in five years in any sport other than football, that Moos is responsible for. And football has a big asterisk. Leach took over from the worse coach in the history of the Pac-12, a coach who turned a competitive, but mediocre, team to the worst team this school has ever fielded, in an off season. So Leach's bar was very, very low, and he has exceeded no one's expectations at this point.

Stop this decades of neglect, non-sense, it is just an excuse. WSU was successful on a shoe string budget, the difference was we had an AD who knew what the hell he was doing and knew who to hire. And before you start the Pac-12 is so different now, it has changed in only one sport, football. There has been no huge influx of cash in any other sport. There are no huge basketball, volleyball, swimming, track builds planned, No BOBs to match the FOBs.

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by BleedCrimsonandGray:

I don't think we'll ever be a 90% at home team (5-6 wins) consistently, and I think its an unrealistic expectation most years.

I didn't say that we should WIN 90% of our home games, but I do think we need to be competitive in 90% of our home games. That certainly should be the goal.

My definition of competitive is lenient. I basically mean not falling behind by 30 points after the 1st quarter. Of course there are going to be some teams that come in and kick our butts. It's a good conference.

With that said, we should never (rarely) feel that a home game is impossible. There are some great teams in our league, but apart from the top-2 maybe, I feel that we should give them a cat fight every time they play in Pullman.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by Cougsocal:

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by Cougsocal:

Originally posted by YakiCoug:

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:
They won back to back conference home games in '07 (UCLA & Stanford)

You're right!! Alex Brink was the last QB to win back to back conference home games. That sounds about right.

This piss-and-moan thread along with your earlier Debbie Downer whine about the athletic department says a lot about your mindset and motives these days. Never did we see you wet yourself so during 6 and 40, but here you are - again - complaining at a time we've yet to play a single game in 2015. Perhaps a little vacation is in order for you until this fall. Go spend some time with the kids, the wife (if she's still around to listen to you b!tch).



This post was edited on 4/2 7:06 PM by YakiCoug

Our football team remains bottom rung and our athletic department, top to bottom, remains the worst among all major conference schools in terms of the President's cup. Crap!!! On positive side, there is no where to go but up, and we have been 9-25 since the demonlition man left. Awesome!!!

Now that is, to quote Fox News, "fair and balanced."

You have to explain to me why you thought that fixing what was wrong with the athletic department was going to be a quick fix. It has taken decades of neglect by the school to get WSU where it is now. Why did you think that fixing all the problems was going to be like flipping a light switch? Also, don't forget that for several decades, the entire conference was mismanaged by Tom Hansen. The conference has been so far behind in revenues for decades until recently. Every school in a major conference has a huge jump start on every Pac 12 school.

Do you know why the Pac-12 is call the Conference of Champions? Because the conference has won more NCAA championships than any other conference, 2-1. So much for "all that neglect." Stop whipping on Tom Hansen, to excuse Bill Moos' failing. Yeah, Tom gave us a crappy TV deal, but it didn't stop USC from winning a national championship, or the Mike Price from getting to a Rose Bowl working, lifting and training in a 100 year old gym. Amazing what the right hires can do.

5 years is more than a enough time to show signs of a turnaround, not success. I'm not saying we should have become Stanford of Ucla in five years, but we have shown little improvement in five years in any sport other than football, that Moos is responsible for. And football has a big asterisk. Leach took over from the worse coach in the history of the Pac-12, a coach who turned a competitive, but mediocre, team to the worst team this school has ever fielded, in an off season. So Leach's bar was very, very low, and he has exceeded no one's expectations at this point.

Stop this decades of neglect, non-sense, it is just an excuse. WSU was successful on a shoe string budget, the difference was we had an AD who knew what the hell he was doing and knew who to hire. And before you start the Pac-12 is so different now, it has changed in only one sport, football. There has been no huge influx of cash in any other sport. There are no huge basketball, volleyball, swimming, track builds planned, No BOBs to match the FOBs.

Yes, I do know why schools in the conference began to call the Pac 10 the conference of champions. How many of those championships has WSU won? I believe the overwhelming majority of those championship were also from three schools, Stanford, USC and UCLA. You know what those three schools have in common? Even in down times, those schools have a lot of money.

Saying that schools in the conference had been behind in infrastructure is not making excuses. It is a fact. Saying that schools in the conference were not often on TV is not making excuses. It is a fact. How many times did all of us complain about watching an Iowa State football game instead of a Pac 10 game? How many times were Pac 10 men's games not on TV and instead, a women's basketball game between Baylor and Texas Tech would be on the tube? That hurts recruiting bigtime.

USC is USC. They also had one of the best coaches in America in Pete Carroll and a long long history. Plus, they go ten miles in any direction and they have more four star recruits than the entire state of Washington. Same for UCLA, especially in the non-revenue sports. Stanford is Stanford, in every sport it recruits itself. These are not excuses, they are truths. They are reality.

You write that WSU was successful on a shoe string budget? Has WSU really been successful? Yes, one year or two, they may have had good to great seasons, then WSU goes back to near the basement. What did you want Bill Moos to do when he was hired five years ago? Fire every coach? Would that have been better to start over in every program? Wave a magic wand and transform the programs overnight? Not invest in the stadium and just pay coaches twice as much as the USC's and Alabama's? I could go on, but my post is getting way too long as it is.

 

[wulffui]

That Apple Cup was plenty competitive, with us down one score even though we were ABSOLUTELY killing ourselves in the foot, until the Huskies sandwiched halftime with scores and it was over. The last two years have been noticeably better than the preceding five.

If there was a special teams last year, you're probably off back to back bowl games. I'm not going to get up in a dither over a year where you lost a game by giving up multiple kickoff TD's AND missed a field goal inside 20 yards, seeing that they're focusing on fixing that.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Originally posted by wulffui:
That Apple Cup was plenty competitive, with us down one score even though we were ABSOLUTELY killing ourselves in the foot, until the Huskies sandwiched halftime with scores and it was over. The last two years have been noticeably better than the preceding five.

If there was a special teams last year, you're probably off back to back bowl games. I'm not going to get up in a dither over a year where you lost a game by giving up multiple kickoff TD's AND missed a field goal inside 20 yards, seeing that they're focusing on fixing that.

Actually wulffui, I am in a dither over it. I've said it many times, and I'll repeat it here: to me the lack of the ability to field a special teams unit speaks tons about the state of the program. Lack of depth, lack of discipline, lack of overall talent. Those are supposed to be your starters in the next couple of years, and we have a bunch of guys playing keystone cops on every ko and punt.

So yeah, I'm pretty worried about the direction of the program.

 

[YakiCoug]

Originally posted by BleedCrimsonandGray:

Originally posted by wulffui:
That Apple Cup was plenty competitive, with us down one score even though we were ABSOLUTELY killing ourselves in the foot, until the Huskies sandwiched halftime with scores and it was over. The last two years have been noticeably better than the preceding five.

If there was a special teams last year, you're probably off back to back bowl games. I'm not going to get up in a dither over a year where you lost a game by giving up multiple kickoff TD's AND missed a field goal inside 20 yards, seeing that they're focusing on fixing that.

Actually wulffui, I am in a dither over it. I've said it many times, and I'll repeat it here: to me the lack of the ability to field a special teams unit speaks tons about the state of the program. Lack of depth, lack of discipline, lack of overall talent. Those are supposed to be your starters in the next couple of years, and we have a bunch of guys playing keystone cops on every ko and punt.

So yeah, I'm pretty worried about the direction of the program.
Do you recall that Leach fired some folks last season?

 

[ElComanche]

Leach knows that he has to produce. He is most unhappy with his teams' lack of performance on the field. College football is a big business and his job is to put butts in the seats and win football games. This year is his best shot at doing that as a team leader will emerge of offense and defense. That has been sorely lacking as people were put in leadership positions and the team did not back them. I see a change coming and the team will be more cohesive and the new coaches seem to have struck a common chord withe players. We shall soon see.

 

[dgibbons]

Tommy Boy Hansen was the Paul Wulff of conference commissioners

That's how bad he was. Just think about the TV markets within the pac-10 footprint- LA, San Francisco, Phoenix, Seattle. Then compare that to the Other conferences that had richer TV contracts.

 

[Coug1990]

Re: Tommy Boy Hansen was the Paul Wulff of conference commissioners

Originally posted by dgibbons:
That's how bad he was. Just think about the TV markets within the pac-10 footprint- LA, San Francisco, Phoenix, Seattle. Then compare that to the Other conferences that had richer TV contracts.

I don't think people realize just how much money was lost over the years. Most conferences have had rich TV contracts going back two decades. Getting 5-10-15 million more than every Pac 10 school per year going back 15-20 years is several hundred million dollars that other major conference schools have been able to invest in their entire athletic programs.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Originally posted by YakiCoug:

Originally posted by BleedCrimsonandGray:

Originally posted by wulffui:
That Apple Cup was plenty competitive, with us down one score even though we were ABSOLUTELY killing ourselves in the foot, until the Huskies sandwiched halftime with scores and it was over. The last two years have been noticeably better than the preceding five.

If there was a special teams last year, you're probably off back to back bowl games. I'm not going to get up in a dither over a year where you lost a game by giving up multiple kickoff TD's AND missed a field goal inside 20 yards, seeing that they're focusing on fixing that.

Actually wulffui, I am in a dither over it. I've said it many times, and I'll repeat it here: to me the lack of the ability to field a special teams unit speaks tons about the state of the program. Lack of depth, lack of discipline, lack of overall talent. Those are supposed to be your starters in the next couple of years, and we have a bunch of guys playing keystone cops on every ko and punt.

So yeah, I'm pretty worried about the direction of the program.
Do you recall that Leach fired some folks last season?

I do. We have yet to see the fruits of said blood letting.

But just to be clear, you are telling me that x's and o's outweight jimmies and joes on ST?

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Bleed, there are definitely aspects of ST where X's and O's beat Jimmies and Joes, but not across the board.

Your punt and kick returners had better be Jimmies and Joes. The same is true for your gunners on the punt team. The kickers, holders and long snapper are so specialized, I'm not sure how to characterize them.

But for the bulk of the coverage units, lane discipline is more important than athleticism. You can survive with a good athlete who has excellent lane discipline and is smart enough to read the field ahead of him. You cannot survive with an NFL caliber athlete who abandons lane discipline and does not do a good job of reading the field. Of course, when you have guys who are not NFL caliber athletes who also abandon lane discipline, you have the worst of both worlds, and that was the WSU kickoff team last year. It isn't so clear cut with a punt unit, but the principles are the same.

As for the return units, you can teach an average D1 athlete how to identify his target (whether you are zone or man blocking) and execute an open field block. If you have 6 or 7 lead blockers doing that job correctly on a kick return, or the same number executing a well drilled wall or other punt return formation, you will occasionally break a long one. And you will seldom have a complete fail. Sure, as is always the case, if one guy is a better athlete and is just as good between the ears as the lesser athlete, then the better athlete will win most of those battles. But when a return requires team discipline to execute, and one or two flubs blows the whole thing, you have to take the guys who have it between the ears first, regardless of whether they are your best Jimmy or Joe.


**Edit to add one more thought. Learning to block in the open field is a totally different process than blocking along the LOS. It requires instruction and practice, or it is too easy for a defender to juke or evade the blocker. Back in the '70's and '80's we could just throw a cross body block and if that was properly executed, it would at the very least delay the defender. Injury issues caused that to be removed from the list of legal blocks, and what is now legal is harder to do effectively and takes practice. And more practice. It is pretty clear to me that the required amount of open field blocking practice did not happen previously at WSU (with the exception of WR's, who have consistently been exposed to it). Who knows if it will happen now? Particularly on kick returns, IMO you would be better off making up a unit of reasonably mobile and coordinated scrubs and doing nothing but coaching kick returns for half of every practice, as opposed to spending 10 minutes 3 days per week with the better athletes. I'm mixing metaphors from a sports perspective, but Bob Cousy once commented on the role of practice, discipline and repetition in making difficult tasks repetitive. I think Cousy could have played for Lombardi or Landry, because they viewed that issue the same way.
This post was edited on 4/4 10:00 AM by cr8zyncalif

This post was edited on 4/4 10:02 AM by cr8zyncalif