2021-22 Position Battle - Two Spot
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The ONLY way Koulibaly starts is if Koulibaly does awesome.
If Koulibaly is more awesome then Flowers at the PG spot, Koulibaly then starts at the 1, PG spot.
If Koulibaly does awesome enough but probably not better then Noah, and if Kim, Rodman, dont take off at the 3, then Noah starts, slides over to 3, and Koulibaly starts at 2, with Flowers starting at the 1,PG spot.
If that happens, there is a chance that Tyrell Roberts might occasionally start at 1, PG, but probably not beat Flowers out. If Noah slides to 3 spot, then Tyrell probably is #1 Back up at PG behind Flowers, assuming that Noah at 3, and Koulibaly starts at 2.
Tyrell probably wont play at all at the 2,3 spots.
Otherwise Noah stays at 2, and Koulibaly either beats out Flowers(Probably wont happen), or is #1 back up behind Flowers at PG.
He would also be #1 back up at 2 spot if Noah stays at 2 spot.
Flowers will either be starter at PG(Likely), or #1 back up at PG. If doesnt start at PG. Might probably occasional play as #2 back up at the 2 spot.
Noah is the perfect height, frame for 2 spot, but his Marcus Capers like 6-4 frame, etc, is good at 3 spot.
Koulibaly's 6-3 frame, skillset, athleticism, etc, is good for either both of 1,2 spots.
Flowers at 6-1 can play both 1,2 spots.
Tyrell at 5-11 is only ok at 1,PG spot.
If Koulibaly is more awesome then Flowers at the PG spot, Koulibaly then starts at the 1, PG spot.
If Koulibaly does awesome enough but probably not better then Noah, and if Kim, Rodman, dont take off at the 3, then Noah starts, slides over to 3, and Koulibaly starts at 2, with Flowers starting at the 1,PG spot.
If that happens, there is a chance that Tyrell Roberts might occasionally start at 1, PG, but probably not beat Flowers out. If Noah slides to 3 spot, then Tyrell probably is #1 Back up at PG behind Flowers, assuming that Noah at 3, and Koulibaly starts at 2.
Tyrell probably wont play at all at the 2,3 spots.
Otherwise Noah stays at 2, and Koulibaly either beats out Flowers(Probably wont happen), or is #1 back up behind Flowers at PG.
He would also be #1 back up at 2 spot if Noah stays at 2 spot.
Flowers will either be starter at PG(Likely), or #1 back up at PG. If doesnt start at PG. Might probably occasional play as #2 back up at the 2 spot.
Noah is the perfect height, frame for 2 spot, but his Marcus Capers like 6-4 frame, etc, is good at 3 spot.
Koulibaly's 6-3 frame, skillset, athleticism, etc, is good for either both of 1,2 spots.
Flowers at 6-1 can play both 1,2 spots.
Tyrell at 5-11 is only ok at 1,PG spot.
I feel where Koulibaly falls will determine a lot with others but wild card is a good way to look at it. If he can take the point then Roberts mostly at the 2. If Koulibaly isn't quite ready, able, or whatever then I'm thinking Roberts gets a look to backup Flowers.
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Koulibaly is better at the 2 spot. But he is good enough as a wild card that really need to find a place wherever that is where he can get the most minutes whether thats as a starter at either 1,2 spots, or #1 back up at either 1,2 spots.
I dont think Koulibaly would beat out Flowers. There is a better chance of Koulibaly being good enough to start at 2 spot, but not good enough to beat out Noah, combined with Kim/DJ not taking off at 3 spot to slide Noah to 3 spot, like a Capers, and start Koulibaly at 2 spot, with Flowers start at PG.
That is Koulibaly's most realistic best chance to start.
Flowers while can play occasionally at 2 spot, is not a good enough 2 spotter to start at the 2 spot. But he is good enough to start at the 1, PG.
Tyrell Roberts is a #1 back up at PG that might once in a super great while play occasionally at 2 spot, like a Tyrone Maxey.
Bamba is going to be a back up at 3 spot, 2 spot. How far up or down the depth chart at 3,2 spots depends on him, and what others do.
But likely Bamba is #2,#3 back ups at 3 spot, and #2 back up at 2 spot behind Noah, Koulibaly, etc.
1, PG: Starter Flowers. #1 back up Koulibaly. #2 back up: Roberts #3 back up: Rapp.
2 spot: Starter: Noah/Koulibaly(If Noah slides to 3 spot) #1 Back up Koulibaly, #2 back up, Flowers or Bamba. #3 back up: Bamba or Rapp. #4 back up: Rapp.
3 spot: Starter: DJ/Kim/Noah, if he slides to 3 spot/Gueye #1 Back up: Kim or DJ or Gueye.
#2 back up: Bamba or Rosario
#3 Back up: Rosario or Bamba.
#4 back up: Rapp.
I dont think Koulibaly would beat out Flowers. There is a better chance of Koulibaly being good enough to start at 2 spot, but not good enough to beat out Noah, combined with Kim/DJ not taking off at 3 spot to slide Noah to 3 spot, like a Capers, and start Koulibaly at 2 spot, with Flowers start at PG.
That is Koulibaly's most realistic best chance to start.
Flowers while can play occasionally at 2 spot, is not a good enough 2 spotter to start at the 2 spot. But he is good enough to start at the 1, PG.
Tyrell Roberts is a #1 back up at PG that might once in a super great while play occasionally at 2 spot, like a Tyrone Maxey.
Bamba is going to be a back up at 3 spot, 2 spot. How far up or down the depth chart at 3,2 spots depends on him, and what others do.
But likely Bamba is #2,#3 back ups at 3 spot, and #2 back up at 2 spot behind Noah, Koulibaly, etc.
1, PG: Starter Flowers. #1 back up Koulibaly. #2 back up: Roberts #3 back up: Rapp.
2 spot: Starter: Noah/Koulibaly(If Noah slides to 3 spot) #1 Back up Koulibaly, #2 back up, Flowers or Bamba. #3 back up: Bamba or Rapp. #4 back up: Rapp.
3 spot: Starter: DJ/Kim/Noah, if he slides to 3 spot/Gueye #1 Back up: Kim or DJ or Gueye.
#2 back up: Bamba or Rosario
#3 Back up: Rosario or Bamba.
#4 back up: Rapp.
I hope Koulibay is the starting point guard. Not sure how a future NBA draft / one and done/ greatest player in Canadian history gets beat out by Flowers. Koulibay , Flowers and Noah I think make a pretty good three guard line up with 6-10 Efe and 6-10 Jackson behind them.
1. I never ever said that I think that Koulibaly was a 1 and done. I never ever daid that I thought he was a NBA Draft Pick.
2. I did say that Koulibaly is a FUTURE POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL NBA PROSPECT PROSPECT PROSPECT.
3. It was Koulibaly and twitter trail and other sources that me others saw, read, etc, that said Koulibaly was a One and Done.
4. Koulibally suffered a BAD injury that not only knocked him out the whole season, but took a lot of post season time to recover from that injury.
5. As good as Koulibaly either is, or if not good, developed yet, then will be good, etc, Noah is even better, and Flowers is equally good as Koulibaly, but has more experience, better passer, distributor then Koulibaly, didnt have a recent injury that he recovered from recently like Koulibaly.
6. Sometime good college players, NBA players, etc, are stuck behind equal or oven better players.
Example Noah behind CJ, Bonton during CJ's senior season, Noah's Freshman season.
Koulibaly, because of the injury is a inexperienced Medically Redshirted Freshman/Sophmore, versus a Junior Noah, and a 5th year Grad Transfer Senior, that was one of the best scoring Allen Iverson Like, type PG's in all of NCAA College Basketball, that when he grad transfered was recruited by USC, Arkansas, a lot of semi blue bloods, that WSU beat out.
Koulibaly not beating out Noah an or Flowers is not or doesnt have to say anything about his NBA chances
Koulibally could be ALL WORLD, and still have Noah, Flowers be even more ALL WORLD then Koulibaly.
Altho in that case, Koulibaly would likely start at 2 spot, Noah slides over and starts at 3 spot, with Flowers starting at PG.
The Allen Iverson like transfer Flowers is ranked as the 62 best transfer in college basketball. He had less assists per game than Bonton and really close to the same turnover ratio. If Koulibay is anything close to a potential NBA draft pick I don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to at least give Flowers a run for his money. FYI Koulibay devastating injury kept him off the court for under 3 weeks by his own account.
Well according to Kyle Smith, the coaching staff, news, etc, the reason why Koulibaly disnt play the whole season, is because of that injury.
While Koulibaly might have meant is that he was technically able to practice, play basketball on a basketball court after 3 weeks.
That does not mean that he can play in games, etc.
I have to think that if he was healthy Coach Smith would have played him, and wouldnt have said that the reason he didnt play was the injury.
I do think that Koulibaly could, can give Flowers a run for his money. That doesnt mean beating flowers out tho. It could happen tho. Just dont think thats likely.
Flowers may have been rated 62. But thats still pretty good. And nothing to snide at. And still a lot of semi blue blood programs tried to get Flowers when Flowers transfered, that WSU had to beat out.
As good as Koulibaly might be. I think Flowers is FOR NOW, TEMPORARILY better. But I do think Koulibaly has a higher potential, upside, ceiling, etc, in time, needing to develop first, then Flowers.
Again I never said that Koulibaly is a 1 and done, a Lottery, a 1st rounder, etc.
I said he was a Future Potential future potential NBA PROSPECT, PROSPECT(LEARN WHAT THE WORD PROSPECT MEANS)
Koulibaly might go last pick of 1st round at ultimate extreme best to last pick of 2nd round, to signed undrafted free agent, to G League, etc. It make take him years to make the NBA, like Baynes. But I think that whether or not he is drafted, etc, that eventually he will eventually be a NBA player. At least thats what I think is on paper potential, upside is. Does that mean that he will do that.? NO. He may not pan out. But the potential, upside, etc, is there.
I can see Koulibaly probably eventually becoming a starter at the 2 spot, or at least somewhere by the end of the season, even maybe beating out Flowers.
But not until his Junior season, do I think that Koulibaly will start all season long, etc.
I think Koulibaly tears it up his Junior, and Senior seasons, and thats when the real NBA talk about Koulibaly making the NBA will begin.
Also Smith said a LOT last season that Koulibaly was the BEST LOCKDOWN DEFENDER ON THE ENTIRE TEAM.
Based on that if Koulibaly was healthy enough to play, start, without a big risk of reinjuring, I have to believe that Smith would have played Koulibaly and not have said that the reason Koulibaly didnt play all season long was because of the injury.
Based on that if Koulibaly was healthy enough to play, start, without a big risk of reinjuring, I have to believe that Smith would have played Koulibaly and not have said that the reason Koulibaly didnt play all season long was because of the injury.
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Even tho CJ was a 3 not a 2. Theoretically Noah could have started in front of CJ at the 3 spot or in front of Bonton, at either the 2 or 1 spots if he had been good enough as a freshman.
He wasnt good enough as a freshman, and so didnt start.
The point I was making was, is still valid.
Last season, year, Noah was a sophmore, and CJ wasnt here, and Dischon and Efe were freshman.
The year, season, before last year, season, pretty darn sure that CJ was a senior(tho I might be wrong that he was a Junior), and Noah was a freshman, Dischon, Efe werent here yet, and CJ left to goto NBA.
CJ was not a sophmore.
The larger valid point, that you missed agan, was that Noah was behind better upperclassmen with more skill, experience, talent, that more developed, etc, then Noah.
Its a good example, comparison to the situation between Koulibaly and Noah, Flowers.
As CJ, Bonton was to Noah, so also is Noah, Flowers is to Koulibaly.
NEWS FLASH!!!!! CJ Elleby left after his Sophmore year!!
Even after someone points out that you are grossly misinformed. You still don’t find the need to do any kind of fact checking?Instead you double down on the lie! Anything to perpetuate your point. We can have different opinions but we can’t have different FACTS!
Even after someone points out that you are grossly misinformed. You still don’t find the need to do any kind of fact checking?Instead you double down on the lie! Anything to perpetuate your point. We can have different opinions but we can’t have different FACTS!
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I'll fact check you and me, but I am pretty dam sure that CJ didnt leave after his sophmore year to the NBA, and that he left as a Junior, at earliest.
But even if I am wrong, its not a lie per se. A lie would be to know that he left as a sophmore and then to say he left as a Senior, etc.
And again, even if I am wrong, even if I say that He left as a Junior, etc, not a soph, because of being pretty darn sure, again the overrall point is still valid.
Your just as bad as a SPELLING, GRAMMAR COP, that tries to invalidate an or misses the valid point, because of spelling, grammar errors.
Errors, whether spelling, grammar or fact, knowledge errors, dont always invalidate valid points.
It's all about narrative now. To Hell with reality. Our country appears to be losing our minds.
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