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Biggs is a mega donor, and really cares about the program. Him/her/they does so much that people never see. We should name the stadium after him/her/they!
he was right about the stadium, we will find that out when he beavs move conferences and we are left behind
Umm. Oregon state reduced their capacity, so you are wrong on both fronts.
Cam being that guy and Dickert being that coach were debatable before the season and looked like a settled argument when we were 4-0. If he wants to blow his wad with glee that they weren’t as the wheels have come off, so be it.
Using resources you don’t have to add seats to a stadium you already can’t sell out is dumber than rehiring Wulff would be. Did you see the attendance last night? I was there BTW. Adding 30K empty seats to that isn’t going to get you a ticket to the B12.
The fact remains, the stafium is essentially the same as it was my freshman year of 1978 the only difference is the lower bowl and replacing the wooden end zone
If you wanna be in the big leagues, you gotta have big league facilities. That includes a stadium that isn’t embarrassingly small when compared to the rest of the big leagues.
I was there yesterday and have been at damn near every home game for the last 23 years. I know exactly what condition the stadium is in. It badly needs routine maintenance like bolting down the bleachers and painting new row and seat numbers and letters. But sure, let’s build 30,000 empty seats.
Go back to your original comment and explain why a bigger stadium (by 2000 seats) going to get OSU into a better conference and why this will result in WSU getting left behind.
they are seriously investing in their program, we aren't and never have,
Cool. Then find some creative ways to get 10-20K more people interested in regularly attending. Adding more seats does not do that. It creates more empty seats. And does nothing to get you invited to the P5 dance.
I’m gonna end this argument right here. UNLV plays in what would be one of the nicest football stadiums in CFB. 70K capacity. Brand new. Why aren’t they at the top of everyone’s realignment list?
If the path to the big leagues went thru 29,000 seat stadiums WSU would have been first in line.
It wasn’t.
The end.
Your brain isn’t big enough to realize that it’s budget not seating capacity.
The end.
D-Gibb, how many butts in the seats would you estimate yesterday?
Martin Stadium sounded pretty loud on the TV, especially on Ward's TD pass in the 2nd quarter
This season, our one, winning season in ten years isn't going to get us on anyone's realignment list. Sure, we have some great facilities NOW but it hasn't always been like that. Money seems to be rolling in right now from donations but again it hasn't always been like that. For once we hired a decent experienced head coach when just a few years ago the best we could afford was a high school coach. A great stadium is one thing but what you put on the field is something else.
SMU has a stadium that holds about 30k. They got in the ACC because they have the money to buy players and they’re in Dallas.
WSU - no money and no upside in fan base.
WSU - no money and no upside in fan base.
So the only only qualification to be a true WSU fan is to donate? Okay.
The warts on this team, in Ward’s play, and in playcalling, etc. were there when we were 4-0. You just had to look beyond the shiny, crimson-colored glow to see the problems, and most people didn’t. Apparently including our coaching staff.
Biggs is the guy that orders water at a restaurant and complains about the service. At least the majority of the non-donating fans have the decency to not demand an 80,000 seat stadium.
And what makes you think Biggs is a “true WSU fan”? Bitching on a message board is his only contribution.
I think it's fair to at least have a stadium that has been updated since 1978 (outside of finally getting rid of the original boxcar press-box).
I guess we’re in an age where adding premium seating and replacing the press box means there has been no updates since 1978.
So, you’re saying, we lost out on another 60,000 in lost ticket sales, Again!
60,000 tickets @$100 each is $6,000,000 in lost revenue and that’s just one game!
@ 6 home games/ year that’s $36,000,000 WSU is just leaving on the table.
Why can’t you understand?
I imagine is Biggs taking his shoes off to check your math.
Like where I mentioned getting rid of the old crappy press box? Implying updates were made, and that nothing else had been handled?
You’ve convinced me. The mythical 80,000 seat stadium should be named Biggs - CougSinceBirth Arena of Awesomeness.
the premum seating and press box did nothing for the regular fans, for us the stadium is unchanged
I disagree. I’ve never once sat in the suites. The stadium changed drastically with the renovation and addition of the FOB. For one it actually looks like a college stadium. It’s much louder than before when it’s packed, which enhances the experience for me because that’s part of the point of being there is being a factor on the field. And I yell a lot.
Maybe I’m simple but I’ve never understood the updating the stadium complaints. You’re there for a few hours. If you have a place to sit with a good view, a place to take a piss, and get some food or a beverage if needed, what’s missing? It’s a football game, have some beers before, show up, find your seat, and cheer for your team.
The one improvement I think would make a difference is selling alcohol so people who want to drink there can, and so people don’t leave early.
Adding seats is the dumbest idea. Ever. And the ones clamoring for it don’t even go. Comical.
CFB doesn’t do anything for regular fans. It’s about the media and the people with money.
It wasn’t even a press box. It was a construction trailer bolted on to the top of the bleachers
Adding a large number of standard or lower-tier seats was preposterous in the past. (I could have seen, e.g., some kind of effort to add premium seating on the north side and maybe fill in the bowl on the east side with a small number of seats but in a way that looked impressive, maybe targeting 38k - 40k total. That would have relied upon the overall success of the Leach era continuing.)
Now it's even more ridiculous, which is hard to pull off.
If you added the seats some want (say, 25,000), not only would there be all kinds of issues to sort out (how do you update the north side with the fieldhouse behind it and the issues with the land there, how do you get enough ingress and egress points for the theoretical 55,000 attendees, etc.), but more fundamentally, you quite seriously would be spending hundreds of millions of dollars and spending years of efforts to build these exposed, lousy seats, just to tarp over them 6 or 7 times a year when the typical 15,000-30,000 actual attendees came. Maybe the Apple Cup would come close to selling out every two years. Glad we didn't bank on that.
In the current situation? Do people really still not get what's going on here? WSU likely will draw in the teens or lower from '24 onward, especially as reality sinks in over time and people realize WSU is going to be a largely mediocre MWC team, tracking its history as an overall mediocre Pac team. Maybe get 22k - 25k in there for the Oregon State game. Even if the loss of attendance is more attenuated and it's like it always has been (still shitty when the team is bad to mediocre and/or when there is Dave Matthews in the Gorge, back to back weekends, a weeknight game, when the weather is shitty from October onward, etc.), there just is no way in hell any serious person would entertain the possibility of expanding the stadium.
Now it's even more ridiculous, which is hard to pull off.
If you added the seats some want (say, 25,000), not only would there be all kinds of issues to sort out (how do you update the north side with the fieldhouse behind it and the issues with the land there, how do you get enough ingress and egress points for the theoretical 55,000 attendees, etc.), but more fundamentally, you quite seriously would be spending hundreds of millions of dollars and spending years of efforts to build these exposed, lousy seats, just to tarp over them 6 or 7 times a year when the typical 15,000-30,000 actual attendees came. Maybe the Apple Cup would come close to selling out every two years. Glad we didn't bank on that.
In the current situation? Do people really still not get what's going on here? WSU likely will draw in the teens or lower from '24 onward, especially as reality sinks in over time and people realize WSU is going to be a largely mediocre MWC team, tracking its history as an overall mediocre Pac team. Maybe get 22k - 25k in there for the Oregon State game. Even if the loss of attendance is more attenuated and it's like it always has been (still shitty when the team is bad to mediocre and/or when there is Dave Matthews in the Gorge, back to back weekends, a weeknight game, when the weather is shitty from October onward, etc.), there just is no way in hell any serious person would entertain the possibility of expanding the stadium.
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