5 OL in the class

[cr8zyncalif]

Good to see 5 OL in the class, most of whom are the usual developmental folks. I hope Mr. Pole can jump right in. The rest will need a redshirt year to acclimate and build themselves. And we may yet see another via the portal, so we may not be done yet. This is the sort of OL commitment we need every year. If our goal is a 60/40 pass/run ratio, we have to have a line that can support that. We can't get there with 3 (or even 4) OL signees per year, based on past experience....

 

[BiggsCoug]

Good to see 5 OL in the class, most of whom are the usual developmental folks. I hope Mr. Pole can jump right in. The rest will need a redshirt year to acclimate and build themselves. And we may yet see another via the portal, so we may not be done yet. This is the sort of OL commitment we need every year. If our goal is a 60/40 pass/run ratio, we have to have a line that can support that. We can't get there with 3 (or even 4) OL signees per year, based on past experience....

It takes more than a redshirt year to gain the power needed. Long limbs take longer to get there.

 

[Coug90]

Good to see 5 OL in the class, most of whom are the usual developmental folks. I hope Mr. Pole can jump right in. The rest will need a redshirt year to acclimate and build themselves. And we may yet see another via the portal, so we may not be done yet. This is the sort of OL commitment we need every year. If our goal is a 60/40 pass/run ratio, we have to have a line that can support that. We can't get there with 3 (or even 4) OL signees per year, based on past experience....

Much needed. Will take a couple years. Could be tough sledding till ‘25 and some of these kids will have to grow up quickly. Commitment of 5+ a year needs to continue. If there’s one place NIL isn’t going to hurt you as much it’s in the trenches. OLine and interior DLine. Find guys that will be here 5 years and let everyone else trip over their own dicks paying millions for entitled skill players. Football is and always has been won the trenches.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Much needed. Will take a couple years. Could be tough sledding till ‘25 and some of these kids will have to grow up quickly. Commitment of 5+ a year needs to continue. If there’s one place NIL isn’t going to hurt you as much it’s in the trenches. OLine and interior DLine. Find guys that will be here 5 years and let everyone else trip over their own dicks paying millions for entitled skill players. Football is and always has been won the trenches.

The bar is pretty low right now at right tackle. Anyone with a heart beat who doesn't want to show off their matador impersonation would be welcome.

 

[WASH ST A&M FAN]

Rolo brought in 2 o-line guys in the 2021 class, one of which was Hilborn 😳

 

[Coug90]

The bar is pretty low right now at right tackle. Anyone with a heart beat who doesn't want to show off their matador impersonation would be welcome.

Agreed. The formula for leach seemed to be getting lots of capable bodies and developing. Madison was a tight end I think. I don’t believe Abe or Dillard were either highly rated recruits.

That’s said Rolo didnt continue that for whatever reason so the cupboard needs a good restock. They aren’t all going to pan out

 

[longtimecoug]

Rolo brought in 2 o-line guys in the 2021 class, one of which was Hilbererorn 😳

Rolo was a disaster for the program

 

[Coug90]

Rolo was a disaster for the program

Eh. Let’s move on. We don’t need 10+ years of bickering whether we lost our innocence or not, and he still has his fans, which is fine. I’m excited to see that we’ve gotten back to the basics with the recruiting strategy. This program is going to succeed or fail based on if we can get a steady pipeline of guys on the lines who have potential and will likely be in the program 4-5 years (Madison, O’Connell, guys like Stone and BJ on defense. Can’t ignore NIL but have to know what your limitations are too. Let USC and Oregon spend their time and effort to throw millions around for a handful of kids who are likely to be entitled anyways. Start with kids who want to be here 4-5 years and fit what you are looking to do.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

The last time I looked, our historic norm was to have about 50% of the O line recruits work out such that they contributed in years 3-5. Once in a great while someone would contribute in year 2, but that was usually because we were weak or depleted in the classes ahead of him and he was pressed into duty earlier than would be optimal. Still, if he was the best option then he played in year 2, but as Biggs notes above, it takes longer to properly develop a bigger kid (just adding size through fat is not the answer). And sometimes (especially with walk ons) we got good service in years 4 or 5. You simply have to take 5 every year if you want to have a good shot at a legitimate 2 deep every season, and it takes several years of coaching continuity to get there...especially now that a big chunk of a team can bail through the portal if a coaching change occurs.

 

[BiggsCoug]

The day may come when we see teams take 2 qbs every year. They know the kid who doesnt play will transfer.

It takes what it takes. Start with numbers to end with numbers.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Eh. Let’s move on. We don’t need 10+ years of bickering whether we lost our innocence or not, and he still has his fans, which is fine. I’m excited to see that we’ve gotten back to the basics with the recruiting strategy. This program is going to succeed or fail based on if we can get a steady pipeline of guys on the lines who have potential and will likely be in the program 4-5 years (Madison, O’Connell, guys like Stone and BJ on defense. Can’t ignore NIL but have to know what your limitations are too. Let USC and Oregon spend their time and effort to throw millions around for a handful of kids who are likely to be entitled anyways. Start with kids who want to be here 4-5 years and fit what you are looking to do.

Speaking of Oregon, they flipped a number of highly rated recruits at the last minute (despite losing their own 5-star QB). I can envision Lanning & Company walking up to these kids with a green & gold checkbook (emphasis on gold) ready to write a 6-digit or more figure. I think they flipped 5 players. I'm guessing that required a few million. They weren't the only school to do that at the last second, but perhaps the most dramatic effort.

The chasm between the haves and have nots will become so wide that there will be no choice but to create a super conference of elites and let them battle it out for the national championship every year.

Glad Cougar

 

[CougPatrol]

Unlike a lot of coaches, Dickert seems to understand what I've always described as spreadsheet logic with regard to recruiting. WSU doesn't have the resources to chase after the elite, big name skill players on the recruiting trail. We have to build our roster using common sense foundation strategies.

Make a priority of signing 5 OL in every class, a well regarded QB, lots of quality DBs and edge players. Of course we need DTs and linebackers, but there has to be a pecking order. Leach was excellent at that. If you have a big OL with roster depth and a good QB, you can be a top producing offense. If you have a deep secondary and good edge players, you can run with most West coast offenses.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Speaking of Oregon, they flipped a number of highly rated recruits at the last minute (despite losing their own 5-star QB). I can envision Lanning & Company walking up to these kids with a green & gold checkbook (emphasis on gold) ready to write a 6-digit or more figure. I think they flipped 5 players. I'm guessing that required a few million. They weren't the only school to do that at the last second, but perhaps the most dramatic effort.

The chasm between the haves and have nots will become so wide that there will be no choice but to create a super conference of elites and let them battle it out for the national championship every year.

Glad Cougar

It’s true. This has manufactured a way for top talent to be exclusive to the richest schools, while those schools now have a way to dump their kids that don’t pan out.

Ive read that the open 85 is for 2 years. Bringing back the 25 man recruiting class limit may solve a lot of problems. Kids may not be so willing to give up their seat when they know there aren’t a lot of seats to be had. Schools may not be so willing to sign so many portal kids knowing they are sacrificing their high school class.

The idea of the super conference has legs. What happens when schools used to winning 10+ games now go 7-5 because everyone on their schedule was a “have” as well? Let’s not remove all value from middle class programs in the future. If middle class programs were smart, they’d start forming their own alliances. The middle class ADs and Presidents should prob be watching old episodes of “Survivor” on hulu for ideas.

 

[kougkurt]

Speaking of Oregon, they flipped a number of highly rated recruits at the last minute (despite losing their own 5-star QB). I can envision Lanning & Company walking up to these kids with a green & gold checkbook (emphasis on gold) ready to write a 6-digit or more figure. I think they flipped 5 players. I'm guessing that required a few million. They weren't the only school to do that at the last second, but perhaps the most dramatic effort.

The chasm between the haves and have nots will become so wide that there will be no choice but to create a super conference of elites and let them battle it out for the national championship every year.

Glad Cougar

He’s happy about it

 

[Glad Cougar]

It’s true. This has manufactured a way for top talent to be exclusive to the richest schools, while those schools now have a way to dump their kids that don’t pan out.

Ive read that the open 85 is for 2 years. Bringing back the 25 man recruiting class limit may solve a lot of problems. Kids may not be so willing to give up their seat when they know there aren’t a lot of seats to be had. Schools may not be so willing to sign so many portal kids knowing they are sacrificing their high school class.

The idea of the super conference has legs. What happens when schools used to winning 10+ games now go 7-5 because everyone on their schedule was a “have” as well? Let’s not remove all value from middle class programs in the future. If middle class programs were smart, they’d start forming their own alliances. The middle class ADs and Presidents should prob be watching old episodes of “Survivor” on hulu for ideas.

Hey, if the colleges insist on becoming professional and the players are free agents after completing at least one year at their original school.....how about instituting a high school/JUCO draft? In order to promote parity, the teams at the bottom get the first pick of the best talent. Of course, that's silly and stupid. Everyone should be able to choose what college to attend. But there doesn't seem to be a good way to stop that gap from widening between have and have-nots. Perhaps your suggestion of limited rosters/scholarships will help. I just don't think it's going to happen.

Glad Cougar

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

He’s happy about it

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Pretty helpful to be a great recruiter when you've got cash being printed by Phil Knight.

Give me several million dollars and I could flip a few high end recruits too.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Hey, if the colleges insist on becoming professional and the players are free agents after completing at least one year at their original school.....how about instituting a high school/JUCO draft? In order to promote parity, the teams at the bottom get the first pick of the best talent. Of course, that's silly and stupid. Everyone should be able to choose what college to attend. But there doesn't seem to be a good way to stop that gap from widening between have and have-nots. Perhaps your suggestion of limited rosters/scholarships will help. I just don't think it's going to happen.

Glad Cougar

Nothing is going to change until the middle class coaches stop being bitches and stand up for themselves.

Dickert needs to stop being a bitch and crying about his kids being offered and start naming names. Clearly the schools/coaches offering don’t care how he feels about it. So why would he spare their feelings by not naming names???

Name the f’ing names!

 

[acgcoug]

I hope the whole effing thing blows up. Sports > Academics

 

[Coug90]

Speaking of Oregon, they flipped a number of highly rated recruits at the last minute (despite losing their own 5-star QB). I can envision Lanning & Company walking up to these kids with a green & gold checkbook (emphasis on gold) ready to write a 6-digit or more figure. I think they flipped 5 players. I'm guessing that required a few million. They weren't the only school to do that at the last second, but perhaps the most dramatic effort.

The chasm between the haves and have nots will become so wide that there will be no choice but to create a super conference of elites and let them battle it out for the national championship every year.

Glad Cougar

Yup and as soon as they aren’t feeling special they will bounce somewhere else that will pay them a mill more. And in the meantime boosters will be finding them on FaceTime and SnapGroup telling them how much better it would be for them at XYZ school.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Yup and as soon as they aren’t feeling special they will bounce somewhere else that will pay them a mill more. And in the meantime boosters will be finding them on FaceTime and SnapGroup telling them how much better it would be for them at XYZ school.

It might've happened faster than you think. One of the kids the Ducks got to flip (*purchased) was a 5-star safety who was headed to Notre Dame. Guess what? He flipped again at the last minute and signed today with Oklahoma. Apparently, what's good for the goose is good for the duck.

Glad Cougar

 

[kougkurt]

It might've happened faster than you think. One of the kids the Ducks got to flip (*purchased) was a 5-star safety who was headed to Notre Dame. Guess what? He flipped again at the last minute and signed today with Oklahoma. Apparently, what's good for the goose is good for the duck.

Glad Cougar

I read his parents didn’t get his paperwork turned in fast enough so he lost out on Oregon🤷‍♂️

 

[95coug]

The last time I looked, our historic norm was to have about 50% of the O line recruits work out such that they contributed in years 3-5. Once in a great while someone would contribute in year 2, but that was usually because we were weak or depleted in the classes ahead of him and he was pressed into duty earlier than would be optimal. Still, if he was the best option then he played in year 2, but as Biggs notes above, it takes longer to properly develop a bigger kid (just adding size through fat is not the answer). And sometimes (especially with walk ons) we got good service in years 4 or 5. You simply have to take 5 every year if you want to have a good shot at a legitimate 2 deep every season, and it takes several years of coaching continuity to get there...especially now that a big chunk of a team can bail through the portal if a coaching change occurs.

Even the juco OL kids usually take a year to make an impact. They much more frequently see the field in year 1, but they usually aren't ready to start or be in heavy rotation until they've been here for a season.

For HS OL recruits, 50% is probably a little optimistic, which makes it even more critical that you recruit in numbers. Averaging 5 per year probably keeps us in the ballpark, but even at that rate we could find ourselves scrambling occasionally, if our success rate dips a little or the attrition rate rises.

 

[Scarlet Matador]

That’s a good start for long term success. I hope you guys get one or two out of portal for next year success.

 

[Wazzubrooz]

Rolo brought in 2 o-line guys in the 2021 class, one of which was Hilborn 😳

Brutal.