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They are in great shape on offense. The defense needs some guys up front to shut down the run and stuff the pass. With next years picks they could be headed back to the Super Bowl soon.
 
They are in great shape on offense. The defense needs some guys up front to shut down the run and stuff the pass. With next years picks they could be headed back to the Super Bowl soon.
No they are not. When you have two QBs you have no QBs. I watched Lock in Denver and wanted him to get it. He has talent. But zero awareness and not sure he will ever take an NFL offense by the reigns. The sack fumble was classic drew. Great game then mental lapse at the worst time leads to a critical TO/loss. The margin of error is so small in the NFL, QBs that inconsistent will never win more than they lose. And Geno just sucks. They will tank this year and get one of the QBs in the draft next year. Denver is going to roll them up week 1.
 
No they are not. When you have two QBs you have no QBs. I watched Lock in Denver and wanted him to get it. He has talent. But zero awareness and not sure he will ever take an NFL offense by the reigns. The sack fumble was classic drew. Great game then mental lapse at the worst time leads to a critical TO/loss. The margin of error is so small in the NFL, QBs that inconsistent will never win more than they lose. And Geno just sucks. They will tank this year and get one of the QBs in the draft next year. Denver is going to roll them up week 1.

I agree they need a qb. They can address that next year. Otherwise, they have 2 bookend tackles, a back, 2 receivers and a TE. They picked up 2 late round DBs that show promise as well. They are in great shape heading into next years draft to fill holes.

They either draft a qb or find a veteran.

They have four picks in the first 2 rounds next year. Do they take a qb? Or use them on defense/best available player?
 
I think Seattle is waiting on draft. If they can get a guy that is "ready to play" next season, they can make a run without putting a huge amount of cash at the QB position.
 
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I agree they need a qb. They can address that next year. Otherwise, they have 2 bookend tackles, a back, 2 receivers and a TE. They picked up 2 late round DBs that show promise as well. They are in great shape heading into next years draft to fill holes.

They either draft a qb or find a veteran.

They have four picks in the first 2 rounds next year. Do they take a qb? Or use them on defense/best available player?

Next year's QB draft class is DEEP.

If the draft scouts, evaluators, scouts, decision makers are good enough, maybe they can get a Top QB in the bottom of 1st round, top of 2nd round, top of 3rd round, etc.

Otherwise they risk picking a leaf as a NFL lottery pick.

If I was them, I would take the best D tackle, as first pick in 1st round, then 2nd pick of 1st round, either QB or WR or DE or LB.

Then 3rd pick, 1st pick of 2nd round, QB or WR or DE.

4th pick, 2nd pick of 2nd Round, QB, WR, DE, LB.

5th pick, 3rd round pick, QB, WR, DE, LB, Safety.

6th pick either still 3rd round or top 4th round, DE, LB, Safety, CB.

7th pick, 4th or 5th round. Safety or CB.

8. Best pick available. 9. Best pick available.

10. Best pick available.

If their QB pick pans out great, if not then trade 1 of either Geno or Lock, and QB pick, and 1 other player, and some cash, etc, for a Veteran QB.

This is why they should not draft a QB at top of 1st round, because if they do so and if that doesn't work out, they will keep the QB, for 2,3 years, won't trade for a Veteran QB, be stuck with a bad QB, for a few years, and be bad for a few years.

If they draft a QB rounds 2,3,4 then if that works out great, but if not, then they can still trade for a veteran QB, and be just fine in 0,1,2 years, instead of the 1,2,3,4,5 year range if they draft a Leaf as top of 1st round pick.

As long as they don't blow next year's draft, they are easily set to make playoffs, Superbowls, for, in years to come, sooner instead of later.

If they blow this draft, they could probably be bad for years.
 
I agree they need a qb. They can address that next year. Otherwise, they have 2 bookend tackles, a back, 2 receivers and a TE. They picked up 2 late round DBs that show promise as well. They are in great shape heading into next years draft to fill holes.

They either draft a qb or find a veteran.

They have four picks in the first 2 rounds next year. Do they take a qb? Or use them on defense/best available player?
My bad if I misunderstood you I thought you were saying they were in great shape this year. I liked their draft they seemed to have put some nice pieces in place for the future. Might be similar to the first rebuild if they can strike gold w a QB next year like they did with Russ before. Nice thing about a QB on a rookie deal is you have 4 years of an extra 40-50 million in cap space to fill the holes you need to fill. They have the draft capital and should be high enough on the board to get who they want.
 
Next year's QB draft class is DEEP.

If the draft scouts, evaluators, scouts, decision makers are good enough, maybe they can get a Top QB in the bottom of 1st round, top of 2nd round, top of 3rd round, etc.

Otherwise they risk picking a leaf as a NFL lottery pick.

If I was them, I would take the best D tackle, as first pick in 1st round, then 2nd pick of 1st round, either QB or WR or DE or LB.

Then 3rd pick, 1st pick of 2nd round, QB or WR or DE.

4th pick, 2nd pick of 2nd Round, QB, WR, DE, LB.

5th pick, 3rd round pick, QB, WR, DE, LB, Safety.

6th pick either still 3rd round or top 4th round, DE, LB, Safety, CB.

7th pick, 4th or 5th round. Safety or CB.

8. Best pick available. 9. Best pick available.

10. Best pick available.

If their QB pick pans out great, if not then trade 1 of either Geno or Lock, and QB pick, and 1 other player, and some cash, etc, for a Veteran QB.

This is why they should not draft a QB at top of 1st round, because if they do so and if that doesn't work out, they will keep the QB, for 2,3 years, won't trade for a Veteran QB, be stuck with a bad QB, for a few years, and be bad for a few years.

If they draft a QB rounds 2,3,4 then if that works out great, but if not, then they can still trade for a veteran QB, and be just fine in 0,1,2 years, instead of the 1,2,3,4,5 year range if they draft a Leaf as top of 1st round pick.

As long as they don't blow next year's draft, they are easily set to make playoffs, Superbowls, for, in years to come, sooner instead of later.

If they blow this draft, they could probably be bad for years.
I’ve said this before, the Russ trade and players that come from those picks should be make or break for Schneider. His track record has been crap the last 5 years or so, he’s in the bottom third of GMs right now IMO. You can only hang your hat on the LOB for so long, that was ages ago in NFL years. If he nailed this draft and finds the QB they need and hits well on other picks he has extended life. If its another mediocre set the Hawks need to move on.
 
I think it's more Pete than John, but i agree with you. I think the decisions to get marquee free agents and spend a ton of draft capital has backfired. They have been terrible in round 1 (historically) and you can't bank on finding diamonds in the rough in the late rounds. I'm willing to give John a little bit of a pass as Pete gets to make the personnel calls.
 
I think it's more Pete than John, but i agree with you. I think the decisions to get marquee free agents and spend a ton of draft capital has backfired. They have been terrible in round 1 (historically) and you can't bank on finding diamonds in the rough in the late rounds. I'm willing to give John a little bit of a pass as Pete gets to make the personnel calls.
I mean they may do it together but ultimately Schneider is responsible for the roster. If he’s letting Pete F it up it’s his fault for keeping Pete around. I’ve thought Schneider’s gotten too much of a pass for a while now. Last shot for me if I’m Seattle ownership.
 
My bad if I misunderstood you I thought you were saying they were in great shape this year. I liked their draft they seemed to have put some nice pieces in place for the future. Might be similar to the first rebuild if they can strike gold w a QB next year like they did with Russ before. Nice thing about a QB on a rookie deal is you have 4 years of an extra 40-50 million in cap space to fill the holes you need to fill. They have the draft capital and should be high enough on the board to get who they want.

They can add some good players with these picks. Im on the fence about NFL qbs. Do you pay the outrageous price and cobble together the rest of the team? Or do you build out your team, then draft a qb….. and treat him like a college player…. meaning, here for 4 years and gone. Trade him away for picks and replenish the rest of the team and draft another qb.
 
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I agree with Coug90, this is the GM's, and Pete's Draft day movie situation.

Are they going to do the POPULAR, thing, draft a top QB, top 4 pick of 1st round, and end up with Dan McGwire, Leaf type, suck, screwed, etc, like they usually do.

Or are they going to Show some BALLS, some draft day skills, scouting, evaluation, and take either a Defensive Tackle, DE, etc, as a top 4 pick, pass up on the can't miss QB, then since QB class is ultimate extremely DEEP, take a QB, rounds 2,3,4, get a DL, WR, DE, Safety, LB, and either have that 2,3,4 round QB pick work out or trade for veteran QB.

Just too much silly, stupid risk in taking a QB top of 1st round, when the QB class is so extremely DEEP.

This QB class might probably be even better then the classic, 83/84 QB draft class.

If Pete/GM blow this draft by taking a Dan McGwire top of 1st round, and then not being able to make good trade deals, etc. Then stick a fork in them, as they should be, will be DONE, time to GO.

And if Hawks owners STILL don't get rid of either GM or Pete or BOTH, IF BLOW DRAFT, DEALS, THEN IF THAT HAPPENS THE HAWKS OWNERS DONT CARE ABOUT WINNING OR MAKING MONEY OFF OF WINNING.
 
They can add some good players with these picks. Im on the fence about NFL qbs. Do you pay the outrageous price and cobble together the rest of the team? Or do you build out your team, then draft a qb….. and treat him like a college player…. meaning, here for 4 years and gone. Trade him away for picks and replenish the rest of the team and draft another qb.
In todays NFL this is the way to do it. I’m not sure the chiefs make it back with Mahomes $50+
 
In todays NFL this is the way to do it. I’m not sure the chiefs make it back with Mahomes $50+

If you put $50,000,000 into the offensive line what does that do for the offense? Maybe not amazing qb play but he’d at least have blocks.
 
If you put $50,000,000 into the offensive line what does that do for the offense? Maybe not amazing qb play but he’d at least have blocks.
Allows you to pick up Gardner Minshew for a late round pick and pennies on the dollar and make a (really fun) super bowl run.
 
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Allows you to pick up Gardner Minshew for a late round pick and pennies on the dollar and make a (really fun) super bowl run.

I’d love to see GM on a team that was committed to competition and best player plays, rather than being stuck behind an early first rounder that is going to be given every opp to sink or swim.
 
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I’d love to see GM on a team that was committed to competition and best player plays, rather than being stuck behind an early first rounder that is going to be given every opp to sink or swim.
Both Denver and Seattle should have gone after him. He’s way better than Bridgewater, Lock, and Geno.
 
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Yep AD is soft (IMO). Abe will have a very good career with some all pro seasons mixed in.
From what I’ve read you're talking about the old AD - apparently he’s not the same guy anymore. Once he clears his rookie contract and gets out from behind the massive shadow of Jordan Mailata he should be a sought out free agent next year.


 
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Both Denver and Seattle should have gone after him. He’s way better than Bridgewater, Lock, and Geno.

I think GM is gonna spend his career in the NFL always being replaced by a “franchise qb” draft pick. He will always play better in pre season and when put in. Teams will tell themselves the same bulls shit story to justify not playing him. We have to see what we have. We spent all this money. Same tired shit. The year he got in Jacksonville? How’d you like to be evaluated at your job with a bunch of turds around you? And have that stick for your career? I swear with the amount of coaching, evaluation and money shoved into the QB position you would think it would be the one position that coaches KNEW what they were doing. Nope.
 
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The strength coaches in the P12 suck.
Apparently they do - his rookie year he couldn’t handle being bull rushed. Since then he has put on 25+ pounds of muscle and seems way more confident. He’s going to cash in somewhere, just not in Philly.
 
Apparently they do - his rookie year he couldn’t handle being bull rushed. Since then he has put on 25+ pounds of muscle and seems way more confident. He’s going to cash in somewhere, just not in Philly.

Look at the kids in the SEC and Big 10. It isn’t all DNA. It’s work. It’s leadership, philosophy and coaching. From high school thru college.
 
I’ve said this before, the Russ trade and players that come from those picks should be make or break for Schneider. His track record has been crap the last 5 years or so, he’s in the bottom third of GMs right now IMO. You can only hang your hat on the LOB for so long, that was ages ago in NFL years. If he nailed this draft and finds the QB they need and hits well on other picks he has extended life. If its another mediocre set the Hawks need to move on.
Maybe it's best to tank, go 3 wins and get the first pick in the draft. History of QB's going #1 in the draft is pretty good. Also take a QB who's fallen to the 4th round from projected late 2nd or 3rd round. BTW- anyone know of any evaluators who have been accurate ranking all these 1st round QB's over the last 10 years? For those old enough to remember. From a 1979' draft article- Gil Brandt predicted Joe Montana as the most underrated QB in the draft. Thompson the sure thing and who is this Phil Simms Guy?
 
Maybe it's best to tank, go 3 wins and get the first pick in the draft. History of QB's going #1 in the draft is pretty good. Also take a QB who's fallen to the 4th round from projected late 2nd or 3rd round. BTW- anyone know of any evaluators who have been accurate ranking all these 1st round QB's over the last 10 years? For those old enough to remember. From a 1979' draft article- Gil Brandt predicted Joe Montana as the most underrated QB in the draft. Thompson the sure thing and who is this Phil Simms Guy?

You can do that IF:

1. Your not like the Seahawks, that have blown every top of 1st round QB pick made(Dave Krieg wasn't drafted as top pick(Was a bottom of 1st round, 2nd round, etc, pick(DEEP QB CLASS)

2. IF the current QB class is BOTH really good, and really SHALLOW, not very many good QB's.

3. If you have, are good talent evaluators.

4. If you already have most to all the needed pieces.

5. Most to almost all and key pieces will still get high enough pay to be on team.


That situation does not fit the Hawks.

1. Hawks suck at picking top QB's, top of 1st round.

2. QB class is EXTREMELY GOOD AND EXTREMELY DEEP.

3. Hawks don't have all needed pieces, need to spend higher picks on other needs to help QB succeed.

4. If Hawks pick a QB top of 1st round, they will not have enough money for the key pieces.

Better to pick a QB in rounds 2,3,4. Get a MONSTER DEF TACKLE as pick 1, get a WR, get a Safety.

If QB don't work out, trade for veteran.

Also if pick a #1 pick QB, your stuck, can't, won't trade or be able to trade, at least for 2 to 6 years.

So if your BEST QB SUCKS, then your team gona stay BAD FOR A LONG TIME.
 
You can do that IF:

1. Your not like the Seahawks, that have blown every top of 1st round QB pick made(Dave Krieg wasn't drafted as top pick(Was a bottom of 1st round, 2nd round, etc, pick(DEEP QB CLASS)

2. IF the current QB class is BOTH really good, and really SHALLOW, not very many good QB's.

3. If you have, are good talent evaluators.

4. If you already have most to all the needed pieces.

5. Most to almost all and key pieces will still get high enough pay to be on team.


That situation does not fit the Hawks.

1. Hawks suck at picking top QB's, top of 1st round.

2. QB class is EXTREMELY GOOD AND EXTREMELY DEEP.

3. Hawks don't have all needed pieces, need to spend higher picks on other needs to help QB succeed.

4. If Hawks pick a QB top of 1st round, they will not have enough money for the key pieces.

Better to pick a QB in rounds 2,3,4. Get a MONSTER DEF TACKLE as pick 1, get a WR, get a Safety.

If QB don't work out, trade for veteran.

Also if pick a #1 pick QB, your stuck, can't, won't trade or be able to trade, at least for 2 to 6 years.

So if your BEST QB SUCKS, then your team gona stay BAD FOR A LONG TIME.
This article has Cam at #5 and CJ going first and Seattle picking the Bama guy at 3rd.
 
I think GM is gonna spend his career in the NFL always being replaced by a “franchise qb” draft pick. He will always play better in pre season and when put in. Teams will tell themselves the same bulls shit story to justify not playing him. We have to see what we have. We spent all this money. Same tired shit. The year he got in Jacksonville? How’d you like to be evaluated at your job with a bunch of turds around you? And have that stick for your career? I swear with the amount of coaching, evaluation and money shoved into the QB position you would think it would be the one position that coaches KNEW what they were doing. Nope.

I watched the preseason game yesterday and they certainly love to throw out the negativity when it comes to Minshew. If you didn't know better, you'd think that he had a wet noodle that can't get the ball deeper than 20 yards downfield.

Of course, one thing that hurts Minshew is the fact that he can be a bit of a carnival show at times where it's hard to take him seriously. He is living the best life and just having fun, but being the class clown doesn't always impress. His greatest strength is also one of his biggest weaknesses.
 
I’ve said this before, the Russ trade and players that come from those picks should be make or break for Schneider. His track record has been crap the last 5 years or so, he’s in the bottom third of GMs right now IMO. You can only hang your hat on the LOB for so long, that was ages ago in NFL years. If he nailed this draft and finds the QB they need and hits well on other picks he has extended life. If its another mediocre set the Hawks need to move on.
Agreed on Schneider.

I also wonder when Carroll is going to hang it up. I didn't peg him as a guy that would go through a rebuild.
 
Maybe it's best to tank, go 3 wins and get the first pick in the draft. History of QB's going #1 in the draft is pretty good. Also take a QB who's fallen to the 4th round from projected late 2nd or 3rd round. BTW- anyone know of any evaluators who have been accurate ranking all these 1st round QB's over the last 10 years? For those old enough to remember. From a 1979' draft article- Gil Brandt predicted Joe Montana as the most underrated QB in the draft. Thompson the sure thing and who is this Phil Simms Guy?
You’re probably right. Not sure it’s ever the plan to “tank” but if you’re going to do it having Drew Lock or Geno smith as your QB with several rookies looking at significant PT that’s how you do it. While I think John/Pete have had some down years they are also well aware that their draft capital from the Russ Trade gets better as losses pile up. And it’s widely known the oncoming QB class should be one of the better ones in a while. They’ll probably be a bottom 5 team in the league this year, but they have enough talent to surprise a couple of teams too.
 
I watched the preseason game yesterday and they certainly love to throw out the negativity when it comes to Minshew. If you didn't know better, you'd think that he had a wet noodle that can't get the ball deeper than 20 yards downfield.

Of course, one thing that hurts Minshew is the fact that he can be a bit of a carnival show at times where it's hard to take him seriously. He is living the best life and just having fun, but being the class clown doesn't always impress. His greatest strength is also one of his biggest weaknesses.

You’re probably right. Not sure it’s ever the plan to “tank” but if you’re going to do it having Drew Lock or Geno smith as your QB with several rookies looking at significant PT that’s how you do it. While I think John/Pete have had some down years they are also well aware that their draft capital from the Russ Trade gets better as losses pile up. And it’s widely known the oncoming QB class should be one of the better ones in a while. They’ll probably be a bottom 5 team in the league this year, but they have enough talent to surprise a couple of teams too.
I'd be more confidant with Minshew vs. Huntley and then a high first round QB with a 4th rounder thrown into the mix.
 
You’re probably right. Not sure it’s ever the plan to “tank” but if you’re going to do it having Drew Lock or Geno smith as your QB with several rookies looking at significant PT that’s how you do it. While I think John/Pete have had some down years they are also well aware that their draft capital from the Russ Trade gets better as losses pile up. And it’s widely known the oncoming QB class should be one of the better ones in a while. They’ll probably be a bottom 5 team in the league this year, but they have enough talent to surprise a couple of teams too.

You grab a Def Tackle or DE, as the Top pick of 1st round, because the hawks can get a QB that would normally be the top pick in the NFL draft, in the bottom, of 1st round to Top of 2nd round to bottom of 2nd round to 1st pick of 3rd round as THATS HOW EXTREMELY GOOD, DEEP THIS QB CLASS is.

If that QB that picked in rounds 2,3,4 doesn't work out, then can trade for a veteran QB, and you have a team BUILT for that rounds 2,3,4 QB/traded for Veteran QB.

And your not stuck with a Leaf, that you can't trade, etc. And you can use the 15 to 35 million saved by taking a rounds 2,3,4 QB to not only pick up Free Agent talent, but keep a key talent, etc.

And if your rounds 2,3,4 QB is bad, then your drafting somewhere between top of 1st round to Mid 2nd round, enabling you to have another good draft for back to back good drafts, to go with the traded for QB, or Free Agent QB, you get, or worst case if have to try again to get a QB in draft, in rounds 1,2,3,4, then can do so.

There is just no reason for the hawks to risk getting a leaf as their top 1st round pick.

Now if last year had a EXTREMELY GOOD QB to go with how extremely SHALLOW NON DEEP the last QB class was, then that might have been a time that Hawks could have drafted a QB top of first round, if Hawks had the top pick of draft.

Just no reason for the hawks to risk drafting a Leaf at top of 1st round this coming draft.
 
I watched the preseason game yesterday and they certainly love to throw out the negativity when it comes to Minshew. If you didn't know better, you'd think that he had a wet noodle that can't get the ball deeper than 20 yards downfield.

Of course, one thing that hurts Minshew is the fact that he can be a bit of a carnival show at times where it's hard to take him seriously. He is living the best life and just having fun, but being the class clown doesn't always impress. His greatest strength is also one of his biggest weaknesses.
Agree with you 100 percent on GM and how the announcers view him.
It's a bit of a stretch but I kinda compare him to John Madden in an offhand way. He too was a character but he also had a brilliant depth of knowledge that he shared with us so he was taken seriously when it came to his analysis of the game. Minshew has the tools he just hasn't found himself in a situation yet that will force the talking heads to acknowledge it. 90 percent of the NFL announcers are lazy as hell when it comes to analysis so they rely on taking the easy road.
 
Agree with you 100 percent on GM and how the announcers view him.
It's a bit of a stretch but I kinda compare him to John Madden in an offhand way. He too was a character but he also had a brilliant depth of knowledge that he shared with us so he was taken seriously when it came to his analysis of the game. Minshew has the tools he just hasn't found himself in a situation yet that will force the talking heads to acknowledge it. 90 percent of the NFL announcers are lazy as hell when it comes to analysis so they rely on taking the easy road.
He did have that situation and his talent was obvious, but no one could lower themselves to admit that they might have missed on him. His numbers were better than 60% of the league's other qb when he was starting in Jax, and that was AFTER they gutted the team of any talent around him.

It kills me that there are so many qb's with glaring flaws, whether they be physical or between the ears, who get multiple shots because they were ordained the next big thing, but GM - who has done nothing but be successful at his job - can't get an honest look from a GM in the league.
 
He did have that situation and his talent was obvious, but no one could lower themselves to admit that they might have missed on him. His numbers were better than 60% of the league's other qb when he was starting in Jax, and that was AFTER they gutted the team of any talent around him.

It kills me that there are so many qb's with glaring flaws, whether they be physical or between the ears, who get multiple shots because they were ordained the next big thing, but GM - who has done nothing but be successful at his job - can't get an honest look from a GM in the league.
It’s truly bizarre. My Broncos got Dick punched at home by him a couple of years ago when he played lights out in a comeback win against a really good Broncos D. Yet when they go back to the well for QBs they trade for 2 yard Teddy instead of a 6th rounder for GM after they watched him carve them up. There are some GMs in the NFL that don’t know their asses from their elbows.
 
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