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ACC - PAC12 merger rumors

Rumors? No, just some East Coast dumbshit writer looking for clicks. Hey Kliavkoff - go look at a goddam map. F SMU. See SDSU and UNLV? Then draw a line to the "4 corners" schools. Colorado is a bit of a geographic outlier, but they are a F of a lot close to Las Vegas and San Diego than they are to the East Coast.

SMU - Really? F them. Half a continent away, 12,000 students, a FB stadium smaller than ours, Broke 30,000 in attendance once since 2016. Against TCU. Get it? Southern Methodist versus Texas Christian anyone?

If Kliavkoff talks our presidents into inviting SMU then they are all F-ing stupid.
 
Rumors? No, just some East Coast dumbshit writer looking for clicks. Hey Kliavkoff - go look at a goddam map. F SMU. See SDSU and UNLV? Then draw a line to the "4 corners" schools. Colorado is a bit of a geographic outlier, but they are a F of a lot close to Las Vegas and San Diego than they are to the East Coast.

SMU - Really? F them. Half a continent away, 12,000 students, a FB stadium smaller than ours, Broke 30,000 in attendance once since 2016. Against TCU. Get it? Southern Methodist versus Texas Christian anyone?

If Kliavkoff talks our presidents into inviting SMU then they are all F-ing stupid.
Oh, one more rant before I get to some serious drinking. Anyone know WTF is up with the Pac-12 network? Have we managed to extricate ourselves from downtown San Fran? Seems as if part of the revenue puzzle, now that we got rid of Larry Scott, is to downsize or maybe just get rid of that G-D albatross.
 
Oh, one more rant before I get to some serious drinking. Anyone know WTF is up with the Pac-12 network? Have we managed to extricate ourselves from downtown San Fran? Seems as if part of the revenue puzzle, now that we got rid of Larry Scott, is to downsize or maybe just get rid of that G-D albatross.
Yes, they’re relocating across the bay. San Ramon, I think.
 
Oh, one more rant before I get to some serious drinking. Anyone know WTF is up with the Pac-12 network? Have we managed to extricate ourselves from downtown San Fran? Seems as if part of the revenue puzzle, now that we got rid of Larry Scott, is to downsize or maybe just get rid of that G-D albatross.

I would read into this more of a media rights merger if true.
 
An out-and-out merger with ACC does not make much sense, for the reasons that Loyal after imbibing a few toddies mentioned. But...

There was talk a while ago about a hybrid deal with the B12 that would involve one or two rotating inter-league games per year that would count as league games, with some sort of playoff game at the end. I would submit that that concept is probably more valid for the ACC than the B12 and would provide some very broad media interest. Lots of details to work out...might be football only, or maybe football and hoops. Still, if you are approaching things (as you should) with a "nothing is off the table" mindset...then the idea that we might work something with the ACC is not absurd.
 
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I think an APAC network that gets more subs could work. Maybe you have 2 networks. Who knows. Also could create on non league series or some scheduling that would be good matchups. Clemson vs Oregon gets viewers. A lot.

Clear we need to be open minded and thinking of the long term here.
 
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Media rights mergers make sense on a lot of levels. Maybe the P12, B12, and ACC should form a media merger and extend a middle finger to the B!G and SEC? Schedule games primarily within their 3-conference network and force the B!G and SEC to party only with themselves.
 
Media rights mergers make sense on a lot of levels. Maybe the P12, B12, and ACC should form a media merger and extend a middle finger to the B!G and SEC? Schedule games primarily within their 3-conference network and force the B!G and SEC to party only with themselves.
This is really the idea that makes the most sense for the survival of all 3 conferences. It’s the best way for them to get a true Coast-to-Coast inventory. Without some alignment between these 3, in the next cycle the SEC and Big 10 are going to come for more teams, and then they’ll have the strong coast to coast presence, and it’s over for all 3.
 
This is really the idea that makes the most sense for the survival of all 3 conferences. It’s the best way for them to get a true Coast-to-Coast inventory. Without some alignment between these 3, in the next cycle the SEC and Big 10 are going to come for more teams, and then they’ll have the strong coast to coast presence, and it’s over for all 3.
The ACC members are under contract until 2035 or 2036 I believe. Would revising their media rights open them up to poaching of their more desirable members - namely NC,Clemson and possibly Florida State? I wonder if that’s why the talks of a scheduling alliance fizzled.
 
The ACC members are under contract until 2035 or 2036 I believe. Would revising their media rights open them up to poaching of their more desirable members - namely NC,Clemson and possibly Florida State? I wonder if that’s why the talks of a scheduling alliance fizzled.
Ya know, I think what's kind of missing in this conversation is eyes on the TV. Face it, the Pac-12 has lost the butts in seats competition, outside of maybe the mutts and quacks. So what about eyeballs on TV on Saturdays? If everybody and their dog on the West Coast was glued to the set on Saturdays, we'd be in much better shape. But they don't. And our shitty network TV schedule times and Pac-12 network times reflect that.

This is part of the reason why I think that the Big-10 bought 2 pigs in a poke. The LA market could give a shit about USC/UCLA when they play Stanford or UW, why will they suddenly flock to the TV for USC/Rutgers? They are out surfing or gang banging or whatever.

By that measure, who the F cares about a matchup with Louisville? Or Kansas?

I'm making some of this up, but really. SEC and Big-10 can get the big TV money deals because the people in those markets watch the games on Saturday. Out here (the patrons on this board nothwithstanding) don't.

Contrary opinios welcome. Concurring opinions more welcome!!!
 
Ya know, I think what's kind of missing in this conversation is eyes on the TV. Face it, the Pac-12 has lost the butts in seats competition, outside of maybe the mutts and quacks. So what about eyeballs on TV on Saturdays? If everybody and their dog on the West Coast was glued to the set on Saturdays, we'd be in much better shape. But they don't. And our shitty network TV schedule times and Pac-12 network times reflect that.

This is part of the reason why I think that the Big-10 bought 2 pigs in a poke. The LA market could give a shit about USC/UCLA when they play Stanford or UW, why will they suddenly flock to the TV for USC/Rutgers? They are out surfing or gang banging or whatever.

By that measure, who the F cares about a matchup with Louisville? Or Kansas?

I'm making some of this up, but really. SEC and Big-10 can get the big TV money deals because the people in those markets watch the games on Saturday. Out here (the patrons on this board nothwithstanding) don't.

Contrary opinios welcome. Concurring opinions more welcome!!!
There’s definitely truth to that, but if the Pac-12 has a media & scheduling deal with the ACC - and to a lesser degree with the Big 12 - it probably bumps us to better time slots just to cater to the other team’s fans. We can maybe piggyback on that to up our total viewership.

As for the ACC contract, I think it’s 2036. But if their current contract holder (ESPN?) stays in the mix and adds Big-12/Pac-12 inventory, I would think it would be an easy sell to modify the deal.
 
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ESPN should want to be defensive with the big10 and fox poaching more schools. If this means opening the Acc deal up to modification and more money I think it makes sense.

Also the Acc has ND in non football which opens up all kinds of interesting scheduling possibilities

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I like the idea of an APAC merger with a few edits. Imagine a conference with:

UW, WSU
UO, OreSt,
Cal, Stanford
ASU, UA
Utah, Colorado
KU, kState
Okie State & ______
Texas tech, Baylor
FSU, Miami
UVA, Vtech
Clemson (long shot, SEC Bound)
Duke, UNC

The football strength speaks for itself.
Now let’s talk about basketball strength:
A conference with UVA, oregon, Kansas, Arizona, Duke, North Carolina, BAYLOR
👀👀😤

Long shot? Absolutely.
Regionally difficult? For sure.
But if you wanted to build a third conference that rivals the SEC and B10, this is the way you go about it. Adding lesser institutions like SDSU, UNLV, SMU, is a no go IMO.
 
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I like the idea of an APAC merger with a few edits. Imagine a conference with:

UW, WSU
UO, OreSt,
Cal, Stanford
ASU, UA
Utah, Colorado
KU, kState
Okie State & ______
Texas tech, Baylor
FSU, Miami
UVA, Vtech
Clemson (long shot, SEC Bound)
Duke, UNC

The football strength speaks for itself.
Now let’s talk about basketball strength:
A conference with UVA, oregon, Kansas, Arizona, Duke, North Carolina, BAYLOR
👀👀😤
That's a pretty solid baseball conference too.
 
I like all the dreaming, but we are going to end up in a second tier conference that includes MWC schools. All we are waiting for now is to see how long it takes to happen. The good news is that Huskies are going to get pounded to piss when they move to the B1G so they'll have money, but they'll be the Nebraska of the West in football.
 
I like all the dreaming, but we are going to end up in a second-tier conference that includes MWC schools. All we are waiting for now is to see how long it takes to happen. The good news is that Huskies are going to get pounded to piss when they move to the B1G so they'll have money, but they'll be the Nebraska of the West in football.

Flat - this is really contingent on the BIg-10 asking UW and Oregon to join. I think the LA schools would block that personally. They want the west coast monopoly.
 
Flat - this is really contingent on the BIg-10 asking UW and Oregon to join. I think the LA schools would block that personally. They want the west coast monopoly.
Yeah, I disagree. I think it's only a matter of time before the Big 10 tries to grab a couple more teams moving west. That will strengthen their coast-to-coast market and also will mean they can make a western division and fewer midwest teams will have to travel west as often. They're pulling the larger market, bigger draw teams first to maximize the media contract, and then they'll look to step 2.

I also wouldn't be that surprised if they take Stanford/Cal over Oregon & Washington. The Bay schools give them visits to far better recruiting grounds than Seattle & Portland, and it's a larger media market. Also, I don't think they necessarily want to bring over more competitive teams. Even if you're trying to build a juggernaut of a conference, you need to have someone serve as your perennial doormat. The SEC has kept Vanderbilt and Kentucky, the Big 10 has kept Indiana, Illinois, and Northwestern in spite of them rarely being competitive historically. If you try to stock the whole conference with powerhouses, you end up either beating each other up and everyone has at least 2 losses, or you have some pretty good teams finish 4-8. Gotta have some weaklings, and pulling Stanford & Cal gives USC/UCLA a chance to beat someone up every year.

And, if USC and UCLA don't want that today, they will after a couple of seasons of traveling 2-3 time zones for half of their league games and ending up in the middle of the pack.
 
It's been readily said that the other west coast markets would dillute the TV pot. They could take less. Also, other Big-10 schools, namely Iowa, haven't been too publically keen on expanding.

More likely scenario is the creation of a new super league.
 
Long shot? Absolutely.
Regionally difficult? For sure.
But if you wanted to build a third conference that rivals the SEC and B10, this is the way you go about it. Adding lesser institutions like SDSU, UNLV, SMU, is a no go IMO.
Well your scenario is not a longshot, it is a fantasy.

You say SDSU and UNLV are lesser? Than who? Look 'em up. 37,00 and 31,000 students. More than WSU. R1 and almost R1 research status. UNLV is Nevada's land grant institution.

Talk about lesser, what did the Big-12 do? Snagged BYU, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston. UCF and Cincinnati might be sleeping giants, but BYU sure as hell isn't. Houston? They got left behind when the Big 12 was formed.

Point being, and I know I am starting to be a broken record, we need to snag the best two remaining options on the West coast. UNLV and SDSU. Stay in our footprint. We won't get kicked out of the Power 5, which with the CFB playoff expansion isn't as bit of a deal as before.

And finally, while the money shortfall stings, we can compensate somewhat by staying close to home and keeping travel, etc. expenses down. Wait until USC and UCLA have to start traveling to Rutgers with their lesser sports.
 
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Yeah, I disagree. I think it's only a matter of time before the Big 10 tries to grab a couple more teams moving west. That will strengthen their coast-to-coast market and also will mean they can make a western division and fewer midwest teams will have to travel west as often. They're pulling the larger market, bigger draw teams first to maximize the media contract, and then they'll look to step 2.

I also wouldn't be that surprised if they take Stanford/Cal over Oregon & Washington. The Bay schools give them visits to far better recruiting grounds than Seattle & Portland, and it's a larger media market. Also, I don't think they necessarily want to bring over more competitive teams. Even if you're trying to build a juggernaut of a conference, you need to have someone serve as your perennial doormat. The SEC has kept Vanderbilt and Kentucky, the Big 10 has kept Indiana, Illinois, and Northwestern in spite of them rarely being competitive historically. If you try to stock the whole conference with powerhouses, you end up either beating each other up and everyone has at least 2 losses, or you have some pretty good teams finish 4-8. Gotta have some weaklings, and pulling Stanford & Cal gives USC/UCLA a chance to beat someone up every year.

And, if USC and UCLA don't want that today, they will after a couple of seasons of traveling 2-3 time zones for half of their league games and ending up in the middle of the pack.
What makes you think they can"take" the schools that they want? The behind closed doors hush hush bs sc and ucla pulled isnt likely to be repeated. Future moves will be done in the open
 
What makes you think they can"take" the schools that they want? The behind closed doors hush hush bs sc and ucla pulled isnt likely to be repeated. Future moves will be done in the open
OK, fine. Try to take, then. I can see a slightly higher likelihood that Stanford/Cal turn down the Big 10...but only slightly.

Whether it's in the open or in secret, my point was that I don't think the Big 10 is likely to base their expansion on who the best/toughest teams are.
 
All signs are pointing to SDSU and SMU being added. Count on that happening.
I think SMU is a mistake as a first step. They're too far out of the footprint, and don't bring enough positives to counteract that. They make sense if we're also expecting to get someone else in that region - TCU, Texas Tech, OK State, etc. - but at this point I don't see any reason that any of those teams would come aboard. Basically, we're encouraging SMU to make the same mistake that we keep saying USC/UCLA are making, committing themselves to traveling significantly greater distances for half of their games - and they're doing it from a place with a smaller budget.

It also leaves UNLV ripe for the picking by the Big 12...and I have no problem seeing them decide to take UNLV and Fresno just to get the west coast footprint. I don't think they'd take Fresno by themselves, so I think strategically it fits better for us to take UNLV/SDSU, and then look for a partner to SMU in round 2.

Either way, we need to move faster, before the Big 12 beats us to SDSU & UNLV. They're not going to take SMU - they've already passed on them twice - so there's little urgency for us to make that move.
 
I think SMU is a mistake as a first step. They're too far out of the footprint, and don't bring enough positives to counteract that. They make sense if we're also expecting to get someone else in that region - TCU, Texas Tech, OK State, etc. - but at this point I don't see any reason that any of those teams would come aboard. Basically, we're encouraging SMU to make the same mistake that we keep saying USC/UCLA are making, committing themselves to traveling significantly greater distances for half of their games - and they're doing it from a place with a smaller budget.

It also leaves UNLV ripe for the picking by the Big 12...and I have no problem seeing them decide to take UNLV and Fresno just to get the west coast footprint. I don't think they'd take Fresno by themselves, so I think strategically it fits better for us to take UNLV/SDSU, and then look for a partner to SMU in round 2.

Either way, we need to move faster, before the Big 12 beats us to SDSU & UNLV. They're not going to take SMU - they've already passed on them twice - so there's little urgency for us to make that move.
The indications are that the Big 12 will wait and see if they can land Arizona first, maybe Colorado second. If Arizona learns that any other PAC school is on the way out, they will move. Not likely they would leave the PAC first. Depends on how squirrely the media deal gets. No one wants to leave the PAC for the Big 12...but...it could happen.
 
The indications are that the Big 12 will wait and see if they can land Arizona first, maybe Colorado second. If Arizona learns that any other PAC school is on the way out, they will move. Not likely they would leave the PAC first. Depends on how squirrely the media deal gets. No one wants to leave the PAC for the Big 12...but...it could happen.
That's the other consideration - which expansion options create a bigger disincentive for the Arizonas, Colorado, and Utah to jump ship? I think adding UNLV does that better than SMU. It's less travel and less movement outside the footprint. There's some argument toward Texas recruiting, but I really don't think SMU improves anyone's ability to recruit Texas. SMU is like the 7th choice in Texas, forget about SMU visitors.
 
SMU, from the conference's view, adds the Dallas TV market. My guess is they are betting on what SMU can be, not what they are now.
 
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SMU, from the conference's view, adds the Dallas TV market. My guess is they are betting on what SMU can be, not what they are now.

If the Pony Express rides again, they have something. Last I heard it was around $75,000 per year to attend SMU. If they have oil $ alums, it won’t be long for them.
 
The PAC-12 just seems to continue to bungle along. I hope it is able to maintain itself with a new media package that is decent and able to keep the schools together.
 
Guys, the PAC looks to have an unprecendented streaming contract. Those take time to put together. There is nothing to cut and paste; it is being written at least partially in a whole cloth manner. Patience!
 
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