Howard throws blow at Badgers coach after loss
Wolverines coach Juwan Howard sparked an on-court scuffle between his team and the Badgers following a 14-point loss at Wisconsin.
Adios Juwan
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Thanks for the film clip.
Watched it several times. Appears that the obnoxious Wisky assistant started the whole thing, then Howard lost it and hit a different assistant. No idea of the context, but the guy who started it should face similar sanctions to what ever happens to Howard. No excuse for blocking the other coach and getting in his face in the handshake line.
Watched it several times. Appears that the obnoxious Wisky assistant started the whole thing, then Howard lost it and hit a different assistant. No idea of the context, but the guy who started it should face similar sanctions to what ever happens to Howard. No excuse for blocking the other coach and getting in his face in the handshake line.
It wasn't the assistant but head coach.
Howard had incident with Maryland last year.
The handshake line in "professional sports" is cringe.
Yeah. I think they should do away with it altogether. Just wave goodbye and go on about your day. Emotions are too high and really serves no purpose..
The women are ahead of the game.
The women are ahead on this. They just wave.
Try to not fall over from shock, but the B10 has weighed in and basically said that they don't give a shit.
Juwan to be suspended the remainder of the regular season, a whopping 5 games. This after he shouted that he would kill the Maryland coach last year in a similar altercation.
But yeah, Gard is the bad guy for trying to clear the air with a guy he's had amicable relations previously.
I honestly can't believe people are trying to call what Gard did as "grabbing Juwan". He reached for his elbow, Juwan ripped it away then he HE grabbed Gard's shirt in his hand and told him "don't touch me", which Gard didn't. Juwan has a history of being a hot-head and justifying it ("I'm from the south side, so you know..."). But we'll all be shocked at his next outburst, like we never saw this coming.
Also, lets not forget that Jimmy Lake was basically fired for slapping a player in the helmet. THE HELMET.
Juwan to be suspended the remainder of the regular season, a whopping 5 games. This after he shouted that he would kill the Maryland coach last year in a similar altercation.
But yeah, Gard is the bad guy for trying to clear the air with a guy he's had amicable relations previously.
I honestly can't believe people are trying to call what Gard did as "grabbing Juwan". He reached for his elbow, Juwan ripped it away then he HE grabbed Gard's shirt in his hand and told him "don't touch me", which Gard didn't. Juwan has a history of being a hot-head and justifying it ("I'm from the south side, so you know..."). But we'll all be shocked at his next outburst, like we never saw this coming.
Also, lets not forget that Jimmy Lake was basically fired for slapping a player in the helmet. THE HELMET.
I feel you can take issue with Gard's actions and at the same time be good if what Howard did rises to the level of dismissal. The B10 can only hand out a certain level of punishments (suspensions, fines, etc.). I would think in almost any scenario firing Howard would be on Michigan.
The Lake "slap" was a convenient excuse to get rid of a coach that wasn't performing.
The Lake "slap" was a convenient excuse to get rid of a coach that wasn't performing.
Should Gard have disengaged, perhaps read the situation better? Perhaps. Did his actions rise to the level of provoking a physical attack? Not in my opinion.
Then you have Jalen Rose pretty much saying Gard asked for it and got what he deserved.
As for the B10, my only beef is that UM copped out and said that they would go with the B10 decision.
Agree on Lake, but that doesn't erase the fact that a "coach using violence" was in the sports news cycle for a week.
Worth noting I also heard the "well Bobby Knight did it and got away with it because he's white, but Howard does it and gets punished because he's black" garbage as well. Not on Twitter, on First Take.
Just to be a chucklehead.......many of y'all were fine with Barber handing out an ass-kicking but Howard throws out one weak-ass punch that didn't even land squarely and it's the end of the world. LMAO. If Howard was our coach, the comments here would be taking a different tone.
Welcome the king of false equivalence.
And you're wrong about giving him a pass; if I were a UM fan I'd want him gone.
Quick questuon: what's ot like to live on such moral high ground all the time?
"Did his actions rise to the level of provoking a physical attack?"
Just to be sure here I wasn't implying it did rise to the level. In my opinion it did not rise to that level at all. I was actually separating the two. While I think Gard's actions were wrong, I think the way Howard reacted start (before handshake line) to finish was ridiculous and an embarrassment to himself, his players, and Michigan.
I like Rose but he's not exactly objective given his history and relationship with Howard. If it was Stephen A. on First Take, I think you have to consider the source. He has a "schtick" and a big part of it is driven by ratings. He's not for me but Smith is all over ESPN, so they don't seem concerned about my feelings on him.
In general, I would rather focus on the event in question and not bring in other things that really aren't part of the equation. Whatever Bobby Knight did 20 or 30 years ago really isn't relevant with this event. Did Knight get away with a lot of questionable behavior? IMO, yes but different time, event(s), etc. What does that have to do with Howard showing questionable behavior? Nothing in my mind.
If Robert Barber was white he wouldn't have been called a thug.
"Holding pen" comment wouldn't have been made by Student Conduct Board either
Howard lacks the self discipline required for his position. If UM wants to keep him, regardless of risk, due to performance in other areas, that is their decision.
Calling time out with a small amount of time left and a huge lead is inviting an emotional response. Getting in front of the bear (or the boar, or the cougar) as it is passing by, pissed, is not smart. Putting your hands on the guy in any form is even dumber. If you rear end someone you are going to be deemed at fault, regardless of anything else. If you start an altercation, even if done with only the most noble of boy scout intentions (which in watching the film clip, I don't buy) you assume some responsibility.
Calling time out with a small amount of time left and a huge lead is inviting an emotional response. Getting in front of the bear (or the boar, or the cougar) as it is passing by, pissed, is not smart. Putting your hands on the guy in any form is even dumber. If you rear end someone you are going to be deemed at fault, regardless of anything else. If you start an altercation, even if done with only the most noble of boy scout intentions (which in watching the film clip, I don't buy) you assume some responsibility.
There was worse incident involving Oral Roberts (!) and North Dakota State from a few days before. Handshake line confrontation preceded by some chippy play/coaching before the buzzer. And much worse brawl.
Nobody watches the Summit League
Dump the handshake line.
Fake sportsmanship.
For some reason, Chris Rock (circa 1996) comes to mind:
"Now, I'm not sayin' he should have killed her … but I understand."
As was the full court press engaged by UM when you’re down by 15 vs. the bottom of the UW bench.
Can’t stand any of those MI Fab 5 J-offs, in particular DUI Rose.
Two of em and still employed a full-court press. Could care less about Gard or uw basketball, but he was attempting to give his back-up’s a chance to advance the ball.
Howard should have called them off.
Copied below out of UM-UW article. ‘F’ Howard, if you’re going full tilt against my deep bench @ the end of a game, I’m going to counter.
Before that stoppage, Wisconsin had struggled to get ball across half court against Michigan. The Wolverines still had two starters in the game and were playing what Howard called man-to-man pressure defense.
Sounds like they are both douche bags.
There actually is a way better comparison that the “puncher was justified. One person had his hand on Luani in a very similar fashion. One person said “my grandfather taught me if anyone puts there hand on you take them down.
if was perfectly justified when Luani did it … but …. I understand flat point . Especially from the person who seems to have the biggest issue with it.
Howard is also a much bigger name than the ORU and NDSU coached combined but not a good look. The video I watched doesn't show how it started but the announcer says, "some interesting words being exchange between Paul Mills (ORU HC) and Dave Richman (NDSU HC)." Mills then gets into an exchange with an NDSU player but is being restrained by someone on the ORU staff. Both staffs exchanging words and of course more players get "involved".
Mills and Richman were fined $5,000. A couple players received half-game suspensions.
I wonder how much computers might have come into play. I called this out on the women's side, but ASU did a couple sneaky things at least in terms of optics over the last couple weeks (if not season) to look better in the eyes of the NET. Michigan was considered a fringe bubble team and needed the win but a 10+ loss obviously hurts them even more.
Speculation but the reliance on models while objective may turn into attempts to not just make things look closer but to game the system altogether like ASU has seemingly tried to do. The models like the men's team but the NET doesn't like the women's resume. ASU's NET is 21 spots higher than us.
A half game!
Did they consult noted sports ethicist Rick Neuheisel before they levied this harsh suspension?
I watch the Summit League. I live in South Dakota. I guess I'm a nobody.
For the record, the clips I saw of the ORU-NDSU dustup didn't seem worse than the MIchigan-Wisconsin game, at least not between the coaches. There was no head slapping or grabbing by the shirt by either Mills or Richman. One ORU player in particular lost his cool...but if you think that was a worse incident than what happened in Madison, I guess we'll have to disagree.
Glad Cougar
WSU pressed hard at the end of the Arizona game and got the lead down from 20 to 12. Assume that was for the computers as well. Tommy Lloyd looked pretty pissed, especially when there were a few hard fouls.
LOL, you’re a somebody in my book Glad Coug.
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