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Somebody posted when all this first came out that they were multiple assistant coaches not vaccinated and all had lawyers already. It looks like this is all coming to fruition.
 
I googled it and a Fox News story popped up, I refuse to link it. However this was to be expected. I liked Wilner's line yesterday in regards to the law suit. " The WSU football team has a better chance of winning the Pac-12 than Rolo does winning the law suit.
 
I googled it and a Fox News story popped up, I refuse to link it. However this was to be expected. I liked Wilner's line yesterday in regards to the law suit. " The WSU football team has a better chance of winning the Pac-12 than Rolo does winning the law suit.
I'm sure Wilner is drawing from his vast legal experience to make that statement.
 
I'm sure Wilner is drawing from his vast legal experience to make that statement.
Well the second most despised person in this state behind Dimslee, is the AG Fergie, so far he has won all of the claims against the state on the mandate. While I am sure Wilner is not a legal scholar, he does do his homework, unlike other reporters these days.
 
Somebody posted when all this first came out that they were multiple assistant coaches not vaccinated and all had lawyers already. It looks like this is all coming to fruition.
I think these coaches were sold a bill of goods by attorneys who are looking for a quick nuisance settlement and their 40%.
 
Well the second most despised person in this state behind Dimslee, is the AG Fergie, so far he has won all of the claims against the state on the mandate. While I am sure Wilner is not a legal scholar, he does do his homework, unlike other reporters these days.
Always take legal advice from journalists. Always.

Did Wilner chime in on why Washington doesn't offer a testing alternative?
 
Always take legal advice from journalists. Always.

Did Wilner chime in on why Washington doesn't offer a testing alternative?
Holiday Inn express expert here, which means I know as much about the law as Wilner, but this should boil down to interpreting his contract and whether or not the mandate can justify a "with cause" termination. If his lawyer goes the constitutional route or legality of the mandate route I don't think they'll be successful unless they can get it heard by the SCOTUS, which is highly unlikely due to the slant of the state and 9th circuit courts.
 
Holiday Inn express expert here, which means I know as much about the law as Wilner, but this should boil down to interpreting his contract and whether or not the mandate can justify a "with cause" termination. If his lawyer goes the constitutional route or legality of the mandate route I don't think they'll be successful unless they can get it heard by the SCOTUS, which is highly unlikely due to the slant of the state and 9th circuit courts.
Violation of university policy is grounds for termination for cause. So, Rolovich will need to challenge the mandate. A number of ways that can happen, off the top of my head- constitutional grounds, and arbitrary and capricious action under the administrative procedures act. The more I think about the mandate, the more problematic it seems to me- no testing alternative, and then decentralizing the exemption/accommodation decision to each agency will result in significant variance. The constitutional route can go through the state courts, then to the SCOTUS.

Of course, it is possible there were other reasons behind the termination as has been alluded to.
 
Violation of university policy is grounds for termination for cause. So, Rolovich will need to challenge the mandate. A number of ways that can happen, off the top of my head- constitutional grounds, and arbitrary and capricious action under the administrative procedures act. The more I think about the mandate, the more problematic it seems to me- no testing alternative, and then decentralizing the exemption/accommodation decision to each agency will result in significant variance. The constitutional route can go through the state courts, then to the SCOTUS.

Of course, it is possible there were other reasons behind the termination as has been alluded to.
which university policy? because Sgt Schutlz and Her Chun said "dey was jus' doing what we told, sir".
 
Well the second most despised person in this state behind Dimslee, is the AG Fergie, so far he has won all of the claims against the state on the mandate. While I am sure Wilner is not a legal scholar, he does do his homework, unlike other reporters these days.
Which ones are those? I'm not aware of any yet. The lawsuit by the WSP and other employees is still winding its way through the courts. The petition for a preliminary injunction has been denied, but appears to be scheduled for trial in Feb 2022.
 
Which ones are those? I'm not aware of any yet. The lawsuit by the WSP and other employees is still winding its way through the courts. The petition for a preliminary injunction has been denied, but appears to be scheduled for trial in Feb 2022.
Also, not highly publicized (wonder why.... hmmm) case of Spiffys restaurant winning their case against the state for violating the shut down order would seem to demonstrate a pattern of state over-reach, but again... keyboard lawyer here.
 
Violation of university policy is grounds for termination for cause. So, Rolovich will need to challenge the mandate. A number of ways that can happen, off the top of my head- constitutional grounds, and arbitrary and capricious action under the administrative procedures act. The more I think about the mandate, the more problematic it seems to me- no testing alternative, and then decentralizing the exemption/accommodation decision to each agency will result in significant variance. The constitutional route can go through the state courts, then to the SCOTUS.

Of course, it is possible there were other reasons behind the termination as has been alluded to.
I think that's thin. This really isn't university policy, it's conditions of employment set by the state. WSU didn't have a choice on implementing it, although the details of how to implement were left to them.

The constitutional arguments can only succeed if it reaches SCOTUS. The precedent from that level says that the state does have the authority to implement vaccine mandates with proper justification, which is a test that they'll easily pass.

The argument that there should be a testing argument might have some legs, but I'm not sure many courts are going to weigh in on that, or that there's a legal basis saying it has to be available. And, I'm not sure that's really an issue that can be part of this case. Asking for that here is kind of mixing issues - he'd need the court to rule first that there should be a testing alternative - which is a challenge that should be aimed at the state, not at WSU (WSU didn't create the mandate). Once they make that ruling, he can claim that he was unfairly damaged by WSU...but WSU's immediate defense is still that they didn't create the mandate, and if they'd been allowed a testing option, they would have offered it. If the court did not rule that there should have been a testing option, the unfair damage argument immediately falls apart, because he didn't meet the mandate.

Of course, everything changes if there really were some sort of shenanigans. But, the requirements were very clearly communicated and he didn't meet them, so proving any sort of discrimination is going to be a very tall order.
 
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Also, not highly publicized (wonder why.... hmmm) case of Spiffys restaurant winning their case against the state for violating the shut down order would seem to demonstrate a pattern of state over-reach, but again... keyboard lawyer here.
Fergie wins them all, he's undefeated, just ask him, only AG I have ever heard of that keeps score, I am sure he thinks this is a slam dunk too.
 
I googled it and a Fox News story popped up, I refuse to link it. However this was to be expected. I liked Wilner's line yesterday in regards to the law suit. " The WSU football team has a better chance of winning the Pac-12 than Rolo does winning the law suit.
You mean this story?
 
Interesting thing is that this statement seems to indicate that Chun denied accommodations, not that the request for exemption was denied. That's a significant variable.
It would be nice to know what exactly are the "facts" of the case. I thought the lack of accommodation was conceded by Chun, but I can't say for sure because I haven't watched the presser.
 
which university policy? because Sgt Schutlz and Her Chun said "dey was jus' doing what we told, sir".
Directive from the governor. University policy announced on August 8, I believe. I don't agree with the mandate, but it is what it is.
 
Interesting thing is that this statement seems to indicate that Chun denied accommodations, not that the request for exemption was denied. That's a significant variable.
Makes me think perhaps they haven't been told whether it was the exemption or the accommodation, which would make it more interesting.
 
I think that's thin. This really isn't university policy, it's conditions of employment set by the state. WSU didn't have a choice on implementing it, although the details of how to implement were left to them.

The constitutional arguments can only succeed if it reaches SCOTUS. The precedent from that level says that the state does have the authority to implement vaccine mandates with proper justification, which is a test that they'll easily pass.

The argument that there should be a testing argument might have some legs, but I'm not sure many courts are going to weigh in on that, or that there's a legal basis saying it has to be available. And, I'm not sure that's really an issue that can be part of this case. Asking for that here is kind of mixing issues - he'd need the court to rule first that there should be a testing alternative - which is a challenge that should be aimed at the state, not at WSU (WSU didn't create the mandate). Once they make that ruling, he can claim that he was unfairly damaged by WSU...but WSU's immediate defense is still that they didn't create the mandate, and if they'd been allowed a testing option, they would have offered it. If the court did not rule that there should have been a testing option, the unfair damage argument immediately falls apart, because he didn't meet the mandate.

Of course, everything changes if there really were some sort of shenanigans. But, the requirements were very clearly communicated and he didn't meet them, so proving any sort of discrimination is going to be a very tall order.
"Conditions of employment set by the state" was not grounds for termination for cause as I recall.
 
Fergie wins them all, he's undefeated, just ask him, only AG I have ever heard of that keeps score, I am sure he thinks this is a slam dunk too.
Dave Frohnmayer, former Oregon AG and former UO President was quite proud of the fact that one of his wins before the 9th Circuit was not reversed by the SCOTUS. Heard him say it.
 
Which ones are those? I'm not aware of any yet. The lawsuit by the WSP and other employees is still winding its way through the courts. The petition for a preliminary injunction has been denied, but appears to be scheduled for trial in Feb 2022.
The "All of the cases are being thrown out" narrative is a bit premature. Since Monday was the deadline, the cases are just beginning.
 
Makes me think perhaps they haven't been told whether it was the exemption or the accommodation, which would make it more interesting.

The Discovery for this is going to be extra butter and salt popcorn worthy.

Let alone if any "journalist" actually got off their a$$ and made sufficient FOIA requests. Don't wait around for Blanchette to do any of that heavy lifting and it looks like BrandX is toeing the company line, too.

Maybe KXLY would have the stones to do the work - but given the news director's husband is the voice of the pre-and post - game, so much for 'journalism'.

C'mon Brandi Cruz - do us a solid.
 
The Discovery for this is going to be extra butter and salt popcorn worthy.

Let alone if any "journalist" actually got off their a$$ and made sufficient FOIA requests. Don't wait around for Blanchette to do any of that heavy lifting and it looks like BrandX is toeing the company line, too.

Maybe KXLY would have the stones to do the work - but given the news director's husband is the voice of the pre-and post - game, so much for 'journalism'.

C'mon Brandi Cruz - do us a solid.
Oh man, speaking of buttery popcorn, Dune is out and I need to buy theater tickets. Thanks for the reminder.
 
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The Discovery for this is going to be extra butter and salt popcorn worthy.

Let alone if any "journalist" actually got off their a$$ and made sufficient FOIA requests. Don't wait around for Blanchette to do any of that heavy lifting and it looks like BrandX is toeing the company line, too.

Maybe KXLY would have the stones to do the work - but given the news director's husband is the voice of the pre-and post - game, so much for 'journalism'.

C'mon Brandi Cruz - do us a solid.
They're all racing to beat Tom Rinaldi to the punch on the Mark Few redemption story.

Can you imagine having to sit out sitting out TWO exhibition games?
 
The Discovery for this is going to be extra butter and salt popcorn worthy.

Let alone if any "journalist" actually got off their a$$ and made sufficient FOIA requests. Don't wait around for Blanchette to do any of that heavy lifting and it looks like BrandX is toeing the company line, too.

Maybe KXLY would have the stones to do the work - but given the news director's husband is the voice of the pre-and post - game, so much for 'journalism'.

C'mon Brandi Cruz - do us a solid.
A nickel says the Spokesman will do it.
 
Oh man, speaking of buttery popcorn, Dune is out and I need to buy theater tickets. Thanks for the reminder.
Yep. And Timothee Chalamet appears to be quite a good actor. If you haven't watched The Kings on Netflix, do so. Not historically accurate, quite a bit anti-war, but still well written, well acted, and well directed.
 
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