Anyone else see this?

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Agree that these kids don't realize that they are ruining the future for a lot of kids down the road in search of their "payday". I figure college football will cease to exist within my lifetime. At some point, it's all going to break down and universities are going to just cut their losses.

Heard Saban on the radio address NIL this morning, and though he has the upper hand with most of his players, he had a good philosophy, which to paraphrase was "you can worry about chump change now or put in the work for a real payday in 2 to 4 years" and seemed to imply that if the former was chosen that player wouldn't be around much longer.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

The thing that really sucks about the lawsuit is that Rolovich's actions have made it easy to paint him in a poor light. He hasn't done anything that's really "bad", but an accumulation of dumb decisions and slightly off-center remarks is hurting him.

The USA Today article makes some very dramatic leaps of logic in painting him as a anti-vaxxing neanderthal who uses terror tactics to intimidate his players into compliance.......which isn't the impression that I've got from the past couple years. He does have a little old school in him.....but that's not all bad as long as he knows where to draw the line. I think he's done better than the article and the lawsuit suggests, but it's his own damned fault that it's even a conversation.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

The thing that really sucks about the lawsuit is that Rolovich's actions have made it easy to paint him in a poor light. He hasn't done anything that's really "bad", but an accumulation of dumb decisions and slightly off-center remarks is hurting him.

The USA Today article makes some very dramatic leaps of logic in painting him as a anti-vaxxing neanderthal who uses terror tactics to intimidate his players into compliance.......which isn't the impression that I've got from the past couple years. He does have a little old school in him.....but that's not all bad as long as he knows where to draw the line. I think he's done better than the article and the lawsuit suggests, but it's his own damned fault that it's even a conversation.

How the f did he go from Pete Carrol to Bill Parcels? Because one player from a grifter family said so? I find the lack of critical analysis vis a vis recording a phone call intellectually dishonest to put it mildly.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

aaaaaaaand now the local radio hacks are piling on Rolo. Repeatedly stating Woods was "punished", using brand Y and Furness as their Coug sources.

I didn't think I would get to this point, but it might just be time to cut ties - he's made WSU a public punching bag and doesn't seem to gaf about the bad pub that is piling up on the school and the team. I'm not saying he should get a shot if he doesn't want to, but the playing coy with the press and not getting out in front of this stuff (partly on Chun and SID too) is just too much. I feel bad for the kids, but I'm not sure continuing this course of action benefits anyone.

 

[dgibbons]

aaaaaaaand now the local radio hacks are piling on Rolo. Repeatedly stating Woods was "punished", using brand Y and Furness as their Coug sources.

I didn't think I would get to this point, but it might just be time to cut ties - he's made WSU a public punching bag and doesn't seem to gaf about the bad pub that is piling up on the school and the team. I'm not saying he should get a shot if he doesn't want to, but the playing coy with the press and not getting out in front of this stuff (partly on Chun and SID too) is just too much. I feel bad for the kids, but I'm not sure continuing this course of action benefits anyone.

Rolovich is kinda busy right now.

And of course, the price tag is $4.8 million.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Rolovich is kinda busy right now.

And of course, the price tag is $4.8 million.

should we assume that the silence from Chun is a vote of no confidence, then?

 

[dgibbons]

should we assume that the silence from Chun is a vote of no confidence, then?

The price tag is $4.8 million, with or without confidence from the AD.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

The price tag is $4.8 million, with or without confidence from the AD.

Well, that's the price tag if they can't prove that they had cause to fire him. I expect that if things go further sideways, WSU and Rolovich will end up negotiating a settlement. This is an unusual situation because he's clearly done things that are controversial and have painted him and the school in a bad light, even if some of the controversy is overblown significantly.

 

[Coug90]

The thing that really sucks about the lawsuit is that Rolovich's actions have made it easy to paint him in a poor light. He hasn't done anything that's really "bad", but an accumulation of dumb decisions and slightly off-center remarks is hurting him.

The USA Today article makes some very dramatic leaps of logic in painting him as a anti-vaxxing neanderthal who uses terror tactics to intimidate his players into compliance.......which isn't the impression that I've got from the past couple years. He does have a little old school in him.....but that's not all bad as long as he knows where to draw the line. I think he's done better than the article and the lawsuit suggests, but it's his own damned fault that it's even a conversation.

I agree that there is sensationalization in this piece. That said, like it or not your are the CEO when you are the head coach at a major program. While things will happen that are beyond your control it’s part of the job to minimize damage and maximize positive exposure. Great college coaches are masters of this, which ultimately turns into success on the recruiting trail. I’m not sure how you can look at Rolo so far and say he hasn’t bungled this part of the job badly. That said…go wreck the pac12, win 10 games + an AC -nobody will give a shit about any of this and Chun will be trying to get him extended.

 

[dgibbons]

Well, that's the price tag if they can't prove that they had cause to fire him. I expect that if things go further sideways, WSU and Rolovich will end up negotiating a settlement. This is an unusual situation because he's clearly done things that are controversial and have painted him and the school in a bad light, even if some of the controversy is overblown significantly.

Can you identify cause for termination?

 

[CougEd]

Can you identify cause for termination?

If he is vaccinated per the governor … nope .

 

[dgibbons]

If he is vaccinated per the governor … nope .

You mean comply with the mandate. Compliance with the mandate does not require vaccination.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Can you identify cause for termination?

Let's just say that our dear leader makes the choice to not get vaccinated by using a loophole in the mandate that allows him to stay but he catches COVID and passes it on to a dozen players and we have to forfeit a game. In that situation, I think WSU would have very strong legal footing that his actions were directly detrimental to the university.

Now, the reality is that Rolovich is probably going to get a big payday to leave if he gets fired, but it could easily end up in the $1-2 million range. FWIW, Gregg Marshall resigned from Wichita State last year after it came to light that he had some severe anger management issues. His buyout was $15 million and the school ended up paying him about half of that. The initial offer was $2 million and he told them to see him in court.

I don't believe Rolovich leaves without any money, but he's put himself in a precarious position where he's not well positioned to get his whole buyout.

 

[dgibbons]

Let's just say that our dear leader makes the choice to not get vaccinated by using a loophole in the mandate that allows him to stay but he catches COVID and passes it on to a dozen players and we have to forfeit a game. In that situation, I think WSU would have very strong legal footing that his actions were directly detrimental to the university.

Now, the reality is that Rolovich is probably going to get a big payday to leave if he gets fired, but it could easily end up in the $1-2 million range. FWIW, Gregg Marshall resigned from Wichita State last year after it came to light that he had some severe anger management issues. His buyout was $15 million and the school ended up paying him about half of that. The initial offer was $2 million and he told them to see him in court.

I don't believe Rolovich leaves without any money, but he's put himself in a precarious position where he's not well positioned to get his whole buyout.

This is why you're an engineer.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

It's crazy that even Dabo makes logical sense. Check your ego at the door, Rolo.

 

[CougEd]

This is why you're an engineer.

That’s why you are an attorney/Virologist

 

[CougInSpain]

It's crazy that even Dabo makes logical sense. Check your ego at the door, Rolo.

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Not too sure his ego has anything to do with his decision to not be vaccinated.

 

[Coug90]

That’s why you are an attorney/Virologist

Naw, he owns the entire chain of Holiday Inn Express’s. 2,200 units.

 

[roses04]

I think Rolo is a good guy, and I hope he is a decent coach, I was excited when we hired him. I don't understand his position on this, it is not a battle worth fighting, just get the vaccine, the stats just prove you wrong for not taking it. As Charles Barkley anyone that doesn't take it is a dumb A !!!!!! . Just had a conversation with a friend, who is a nurse at a local hospital, tells me about a 28 year old woman, great health, nothing wrong with her, gets covid 2 weeks ago, she is in ICU and she told me, "I don't think she is going to make it, I have never seen lungs look that bad". She was not vaccinated, needless to say.

Now that he has gone this far, he keeps painting himself deeper into the corner, and the only way out is a messy way out. If he isn't successful this year, his opportunities in the future will be limited if not non existent. As a head football coach at any NCAA D 1 program you are an ambassador for the University, you are paid a lot of money, along with that comes following University guidelines and setting an example, and selling your university. I guess he doesn't see it that way, goes back to the old "are athletes role models?" Well Rolo hasn't been a good role model for WSU and unless he has an outstanding year this year, he won't have many opportunities in the future. This story won't go away, we will hear about the anti vax thing all year, and beyond, and will be with him the rest of his life. They always referred to Leash as the Pirate, which was entertaining, unfortunately I think they will always refer to Rolo as the anti vax coach. And no university President is going to hire that, the only thing that gets him through this at WSU for now is winning. I do believe if WSU had SEC money, he'd be gone right now.

This whole Woods suit is BS, but his attorney's timing on this was perfect, as the media continues to paint Rolo as the Villain, because he is an anti vaxer, so he's an easy target for the media. Once again Rolo is only making things more difficult on himself.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I think Rolo is a good guy, and I hope he is a decent coach, I was excited when we hired him. I don't understand his position on this, it is not a battle worth fighting, just get the vaccine, the stats just prove you wrong for not taking it. As Charles Barkley anyone that doesn't take it is a dumb A !!!!!! . Just had a conversation with a friend, who is a nurse at a local hospital, tells me about a 28 year old woman, great health, nothing wrong with her, gets covid 2 weeks ago, she is in ICU and she told me, "I don't think she is going to make it, I have never seen lungs look that bad". She was not vaccinated, needless to say.

Now that he has gone this far, he keeps painting himself deeper into the corner, and the only way out is a messy way out. If he isn't successful this year, his opportunities in the future will be limited if not non existent. As a head football coach at any NCAA D 1 program you are an ambassador for the University, you are paid a lot of money, along with that comes following University guidelines and setting an example, and selling your university. I guess he doesn't see it that way, goes back to the old "are athletes role models?" Well Rolo hasn't been a good role model for WSU and unless he has an outstanding year this year, he won't have many opportunities in the future. This story won't go away, we will hear about the anti vax thing all year, and beyond, and will be with him the rest of his life. They always referred to Leash as the Pirate, which was entertaining, unfortunately I think they will always refer to Rolo as the anti vax coach. And no university President is going to hire that, the only thing that gets him through this at WSU for now is winning. I do believe if WSU had SEC money, he'd be gone right now.

This whole Woods suit is BS, but his attorney's timing on this was perfect, as the media continues to paint Rolo as the Villain, because he is an anti vaxer, so he's an easy target for the media. Once again Rolo is only making things more difficult on himself.

They should have fired him when he bailed on media days. It is only getting worse. The vax count down has started. He either gets it or comes thru on the medical or religious exemption.

He has limited options if fired. Covid isnt going away. Potential employers know his stance. He fails at handling media. He isnt trustworthy to say the right thing or handle tough issues. He isnt worth it.

 

[CougEd]

They should have fired him when he bailed on media days. It is only getting worse. The vax count down has started. He either gets it or comes thru on the medical or religious exemption.

He has limited options if fired. Covid isnt going away. Potential employers know his stance. He fails at handling media. He isnt trustworthy to say the right thing or handle tough issues. He isnt worth it.

Well for his sake I hope he has been in a church of some sort the last three months. Also, I would be venture to guess he doesnt have a medical reason because of Chun's and Schultz response to him not going to media day and announcing he is not going. I would also guess if he tries to use the medical reason Chun has email correspondence would show one way or another the reasons he chose not to get vaxed.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Well for his sake I hope he has been in a church of some sort the last three months. Also, I would be venture to guess he doesnt have a medical reason because of Chun's and Schultz response to him not going to media day and announcing he is not going. I would also guess if he tries to use the medical reason Chun has email correspondence would show one way or another the reasons he chose not to get vaxed.

We will find out soon enough. This is Mickey Mouse bullshit.

 

[dgibbons]

They should have fired him when he bailed on media days. It is only getting worse. The vax count down has started. He either gets it or comes thru on the medical or religious exemption.

He has limited options if fired. Covid isnt going away. Potential employers know his stance. He fails at handling media. He isnt trustworthy to say the right thing or handle tough issues. He isnt worth it.

He didn’t bail.

 

[dgibbons]

Naw, he owns the entire chain of Holiday Inn Express’s. 2,200 units.

Ed’s dental hygienist agrees.

 

[dgibbons]

I think Rolo is a good guy, and I hope he is a decent coach, I was excited when we hired him. I don't understand his position on this, it is not a battle worth fighting, just get the vaccine, the stats just prove you wrong for not taking it. As Charles Barkley anyone that doesn't take it is a dumb A !!!!!! . Just had a conversation with a friend, who is a nurse at a local hospital, tells me about a 28 year old woman, great health, nothing wrong with her, gets covid 2 weeks ago, she is in ICU and she told me, "I don't think she is going to make it, I have never seen lungs look that bad". She was not vaccinated, needless to say.

Now that he has gone this far, he keeps painting himself deeper into the corner, and the only way out is a messy way out. If he isn't successful this year, his opportunities in the future will be limited if not non existent. As a head football coach at any NCAA D 1 program you are an ambassador for the University, you are paid a lot of money, along with that comes following University guidelines and setting an example, and selling your university. I guess he doesn't see it that way, goes back to the old "are athletes role models?" Well Rolo hasn't been a good role model for WSU and unless he has an outstanding year this year, he won't have many opportunities in the future. This story won't go away, we will hear about the anti vax thing all year, and beyond, and will be with him the rest of his life. They always referred to Leash as the Pirate, which was entertaining, unfortunately I think they will always refer to Rolo as the anti vax coach. And no university President is going to hire that, the only thing that gets him through this at WSU for now is winning. I do believe if WSU had SEC money, he'd be gone right now.

This whole Woods suit is BS, but his attorney's timing on this was perfect, as the media continues to paint Rolo as the Villain, because he is an anti vaxer, so he's an easy target for the media. Once again Rolo is only making things more difficult on himself.

Bobby Petrino- hires mistress, lies about crashing motorcycle to cover up the affair. Got rehired at the school he bailed from.

Hugh Freeze- All kinds of recruiting violations and hookers. Has/had Liberty in the top 25.

Art Briles- Covered up rapes. Coaching high school.


Steve Sarkisian- raging drunk. Just hired at Texas.

Mike Leach- fired for insubordination after allegations of player abuse. Resurrected WSU, now at Mississippi State.

I’ll even throw Mike Price- went from it’s rollin baby to ring of honor status at UTEP.

How does Rolovich stack up with his “scandal”? Do you really think he wouldn’t end up at group of 5 school somewhere?

 

[79COUG]

Well, that's the price tag if they can't prove that they had cause to fire him. I expect that if things go further sideways, WSU and Rolovich will end up negotiating a settlement. This is an unusual situation because he's clearly done things that are controversial and have painted him and the school in a bad light, even if some of the controversy is overblown significantly.

Sounds like the EXACT things that were said during Leach's tenure.

 

[Fab5Coug]

We will find out soon enough. This is Mickey Mouse bullshit.

Well, he's attending the Zeppos coach's show via Zoom, so I'm guessing he aint fully vaxxed yet. I really don't know what his end game is here.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Well, he's attending the Zeppos coach's show via Zoom, so I'm guessing he aint fully vaxxed yet. I really don't know what his end game is here.

Is he planning on Zoom coaching the game? If a mask works on the sideline why won't it work for the coaches show? Nothing about any of this makes any sense, from his decisions to what is or isn't allowed.

 

[CougEd]

Bobby Petrino- hires mistress, lies about crashing motorcycle to cover up the affair. Got rehired at the school he bailed from.

Hugh Freeze- All kinds of recruiting violations and hookers. Has/had Liberty in the top 25.

Art Briles- Covered up rapes. Coaching high school.


Steve Sarkisian- raging drunk. Just hired at Texas.

Mike Leach- fired for insubordination after allegations of player abuse. Resurrected WSU, now at Mississippi State.

I’ll even throw Mike Price- went from it’s rollin baby to ring of honor status at UTEP.

How does Rolovich stack up with his “scandal”? Do you really think he wouldn’t end up at group of 5 school somewhere?

Well I can answer that in a different way.
Price- won two conference championships in the pac 10 and he was relegated to one of it not the worst programs in the country.

Freeze- he had some success in the SEC and he is at BJU

Briles- had Baylor in the top ten a number of times —- he is in high school.

Sark held jobs at USC and UW. He was fortunate to have Saban rehabilitate his career as an assistant . Sarks issue is different than others as it isn’t all that uncommon in that profession that they have an alcohol problem.

Mike Leach… he had success at Tech and he could argue how unjust the firing was. And WSU was the one school 9-40 that would look at him and willing to look past his transgressions.

Do you believe if Mike Price did what he did in 1990 that his second chance would be d 1 football?

Second, did Price, Sark , Leach potentially cost their universities much needed revenue by putting their team at a higher risk of needing to cancel games .

Rolo hasn’t proven anything yet. There in lies the difference.

Yes, I believe he would be hired as an assistant because he knows someone say at Eastern Michigan or even a lower level school. But many AD’s will look at the self inflicted wounds and say it isn’t worth bringing this guy in as a head coach.

 

[CougEd]

Is he planning on Zoom coaching the game? If a mask works on the sideline why won't it work for the coaches show? Nothing about any of this makes any sense, from his decisions to what is or isn't allowed.

Some rationale would be a smaller and more confined space. And I find it hard to believe he won’t be vaxed by the date the governor put out there .

 

[dgibbons]

Well, he's attending the Zeppos coach's show via Zoom, so I'm guessing he aint fully vaxxed yet. I really don't know what his end game is here.

Religious or medical exemption.

 

[dgibbons]

Well I can answer that in a different way.
Price- won two conference championships in the pac 10 and he was relegated to one of it not the worst programs in the country.

Freeze- he had some success in the SEC and he is at BJU

Briles- had Baylor in the top ten a number of times —- he is in high school.

Sark held jobs at USC and UW. He was fortunate to have Saban rehabilitate his career as an assistant . Sarks issue is different than others as it isn’t all that uncommon in that profession that they have an alcohol problem.

Mike Leach… he had success at Tech and he could argue how unjust the firing was. And WSU was the one school 9-40 that would look at him and willing to look past his transgressions.

Do you believe if Mike Price did what he did in 1990 that his second chance would be d 1 football?

Second, did Price, Sark , Leach potentially cost their universities much needed revenue by putting their team at a higher risk of needing to cancel games .

Rolo hasn’t proven anything yet. There in lies the difference.

Yes, I believe he would be hired as an assistant because he knows someone say at Eastern Michigan or even a lower level school. But many AD’s will look at the self inflicted wounds and say it isn’t worth. Ringing this guy in as a head coach.

In other words, this "scandal" is nothing compared to say recruiting violations and hookers.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Well, he's attending the Zeppos coach's show via Zoom, so I'm guessing he aint fully vaxxed yet. I really don't know what his end game is here.

What a joke.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

A Kaepernick-esque nothing-burger. Puts his name out there for a bit then we will never hear of him again.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Religious or medical exemption.

Then I really don't understand why he's insisting on being so coy about it. Could have saved everyone a lot of trouble by just saying that from the get go.

 

[NMBRCRNCHR]

Then I really don't understand why he's insisting on being so coy about it. Could have saved everyone a lot of trouble by just saying that from the get go.

It is none of your or anyone else's darn business, pretty simple.

 

[dgibbons]

Then I really don't understand why he's insisting on being so coy about it. Could have saved everyone a lot of trouble by just saying that from the get go.

But that would be have been so boring....

 

[CougEd]

In other words, this "scandal" is nothing compared to say recruiting violations and hookers.

So are you saying in your world that penalties are equally passed out for like crimes? You think justice is always just?

Some would argue what rolo is doing is worse. One, we now have a medical college with all sorts of knowledge to help educate him. Second, his response could directly impact the viability of the season or a few games anyway, which impact the bottom line for the school and the town. Did Petrino's affair have that same impact?

You keep raising "medical reasons". If Rolo had a legit med reason Chun would have said so and supported his decision. And I would guess and hope if Chun is as smart as I think he is he would have paper trailed either by email or text the reasons rolo gave him for not getting vaxed.

I saw a great post by someone. When we get on an airplane do we not trust the pilot is sober, that they know how to fly the plane, and the plane has been maintained. We don't question the crew before we jump on the plane. We trust the people who do this for a living.

 

[CougEd]

It is none of your or anyone else's darn business, pretty simple.

Oh....so just donate money and buy tickets at a public university. Understood.

 

[dgibbons]

So are you saying in your world that penalties are equally passed out for like crimes? You think justice is always just?

The vast majority of the time, yes. And I'm not quite sure why vaccination should result in the maximum penalty WSU can administer- termination of Rolovich's contract for cause.

Some would argue what rolo is doing is worse. One, we now have a medical college with all sorts of knowledge to help educate him. Second, his response could directly impact the viability of the season or a few games anyway, which impact the bottom line for the school and the town. Did Petrino's affair have that same impact?

Please compare and contrast recruiting violations, hookers and coverups to not getting vaccinated. By the way, CDC just released a study estimating that 83.3 percent of Americans had antibodies before the delta surge. Ole Miss vacated 33 wins by the way.

You keep raising "medical reasons". If Rolo had a legit med reason Chun would have said so and supported his decision. And I would guess and hope if Chun is as smart as I think he is he would have paper trailed either by email or text the reasons rolo gave him for not getting vaxed.

You're just assuming this.

I saw a great post by someone. When we get on an airplane do we not trust the pilot is sober, that they know how to fly the plane, and the plane has been maintained. We don't question the crew before we jump on the plane. We trust the people who do this for a living.

Was it from your dental hygienist?