Big dance

[jourdand]

At this point I believe the PAC 12 gets 3 teams in the NCAA tourney, unless Oregon State wins out. Imo Oregon, USC, and Colorado are in but that’s it. UCLA lost its last 4 games so I don’t think they make it in.
So if UCLA goes NIT and Oregon State goes NIT does Utah or Stanford make the NIT? With only 16 teams I don’t think so. Probably not a great year for the PAC as far as post season births.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

At this point I believe the PAC 12 gets 3 teams in the NCAA tourney, unless Oregon State wins out. Imo Oregon, USC, and Colorado are in but that’s it. UCLA lost its last 4 games so I don’t think they make it in.
So if UCLA goes NIT and Oregon State goes NIT does Utah or Stanford make the NIT? With only 16 teams I don’t think so. Probably not a great year for the PAC as far as post season births.

Watch Duke get in...because, you know, Duke.

 

[mikalalas]

Watch Duke get in...because, you know, Duke.

Could say the same about UCLA.

I think 1 of Stanford or Utah will get into the NIT, and 1 of them either goes to the CBI or no Post Season.

UCLA is a NCAA bubble team. Which means that they could theoretically get in, but probably not.

Another possibility is that the NCAA is using the NIT in case a NCAA team cant play due to covid, etc, the NCAA will call up a NIT team to take the place of the NCAA team.

I could see UCLA being one of those NCAA tourny NIT substitute teams.

Pac 12's best bet for 4 spots is Ore St winning the Pac 12 tourny getting a NCAA bid, to go along with USC, Oregon, Colorado getting bids

I think Stanford gets a NIT bid over Utah because of Stanford being Stanford kind of like Duke being Duke.

 

[Glad Cougar]

I don't think Utah will be a consideration for the NIT. They had a losing record this year. I also doubt Stanford will get in. UCLA and/or Oregon State are probably going to be the only considerations for the NIT....and only one of them will likely be chosen for a 16-team field this year, IMO. Of course, it's still possible for OSU to win the Pac-12 tournament and go to the NCAA big dance.

Glad Cougar

 

[jourdand]

According to Sports illustrated UCLA is in as a 10 seed to me that’s just crazy 4 game skid, only 17 wins but like what was said above they are UCLA. I wonder is a Oregon state victory pushes them out?

 

[mikalalas]

According to Sports illustrated UCLA is in as a 10 seed to me that’s just crazy 4 game skid, only 17 wins but like what was said above they are UCLA. I wonder is a Oregon state victory pushes them out?

Probably not.

Like I said, Pac 12 gets 4, possibly 5, and 6 at ultimate extreme most.

We'll see how worthy or not the Pac 12 teams are or not.

But I would not be surprised if UCLA were to beat nonconference teams in the NCAA tourny.

Those last 4 in a row lost that you reference, were probably all good Pac 12 teams.

And if UCLA just barely lost those 4 games in a row to good Pac 12 teams, then that factors in as well.

Also keep in mind that in a NON Covid Shortened season, there are 30+ games.

In that 30+ games schedule, there have been 16,17 win teams that have gone to the NCAA tourny without winning their conference tourny championship.

If 16,17,18,19 wins in a 30+ game, FULL NON COVID SEASON schedule, can get you into the NCAA tourny, then 17 wins by UCLA in a 25,26 game covid shortened season, can get UCLA on NCAA bubble and into NCAA tourny.

 

[mikalalas]

UCLA Oregon Ore St USC Colorado could all get into NCAA tourny if Ore St wins Pac 12 tourny.

 

[jourdand]

Somebody said that if WSU won 3 games and reached 17 wins they would be on the bubble for the NIT! I get we are not UCLA but they don’t have any real impressive wins. Mikalalas if Oregon State wins you are right, it looks like we get 5. It’s crazy to me that they would take UCLA

 

[mikalalas]

Somebody said that if WSU won 3 games and reached 17 wins they would be on the bubble for the NIT! I get we are not UCLA but they don’t have any real impressive wins. Mikalalas if Oregon State wins you are right, it looks like we get 5. It’s crazy to me that they would take UCLA

I agree, but hey its UCLA. Also I've seen crazier, like a 8-22 team in the NCAA tournament, because they won the conference tournament, and a 14,15 win Big East team got into the NCAA tournament, about 13 to 23 years ago, in a 30+ game season, not because they won conference tournament(they didnt), but because the Big East got like 9,10,11,12 teams in that year, because hey, they are the Big East.

While I agree with you about UCLA, I think UCLA getting in, is good for the Pac 12.

Also I wouldnt be surprised if UCLA beat a nonconference team or 2 in the NCAA tourny.

 

[Rich Lewis]

The committee in their wisdom put USC and Oregon in the same region which ensures that only one of the two best pac-12 teams has a chance to make it past the sweet 16.

 

[mikalalas]

The committee in their wisdom put USC and Oregon in the same region which ensures that only one of the two best pac-12 teams has a chance to make it past the sweet 16.

That is dumb. Ok to put 2 Pac 12 teams into the same region:

Say Ore St and UCLA, or USC and Ore St, or Oregon and Ore St, or Colorado and Ore St, or Oregon and UCLA, etc, 1 strong Pac 12 team and 1 weak Pac 12 team, in the same region.

Putting Oregon and USC in the same region, is kind of akin to putting Kentucky, or North Carolina, or Duke, or Kansas, etc, any 2 of those in the same region which would be just as dumb bracketing.

The stronger teams should not be in the same bracket region.

Probably the committee in charge of bracketing probably hates, has a axe to grind with the Pac 12, as the NCAA Tournament selection committee certainly likes the Pac 12.

 

[jourdand]

5 in the big dance 0 into the NIT.

 

[Glad Cougar]

The committee in their wisdom put USC and Oregon in the same region which ensures that only one of the two best pac-12 teams has a chance to make it past the sweet 16.

I think the committee, rightly or wrongly, puts a lot of stock in the NET rankings. Colorado (#15 of all NCAA schools) and USC (#19) have the best NET ranking of the Pac-12 schools with Oregon relatively farther behind at #33. So in the committee's eyes, they likely wanted to make sure Colorado and USC were not in the same region. When you have 5 Pac-12 teams making the Big Dance, you can't avoid having 2 in the same region.

I guess you could argue they should've put Colorado or Oregon in the same region as Oregon State...but the seeding probably dictated much of what they wanted to do, too. Best way to avoid this kind of a situation is making sure the Pac-12 has a team good enough to be at least a #5 seed.

Anyway, I actually think the NCAA was about as kind to the Pac-12 as they could be. IMO, UCLA was lucky to make it. They lost their last 4 games and didn't even win a game in the conference tournament.

Glad Cougar

 

[Rich Lewis]

Agree on UCLA. Truthfully I don't think they belong. No Pac-12 team in the South. Would have liked to see either USC or Oregon there. Of course then there would probably be other conference conflicts. The committee's job isn't easy.