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I can't read this article, and I'm having a hard time finding good details on the discussions, but it looks like what they're talking about is removing the annual 25/32 scholarship limit, but not changing any roster limits or the cap on 85 scholarships per team.
Problem I see, is that we will never get to where every school wants to get and thats to a championship game. You’re just a development school that will go no where but be mediocre.I don't see this as bad news at all for WSU. If anything, it's good news.
Yes, Bama and other power schools are going to load up on talent each year. That'll happen regardless. There is an issue with reps on the field on GameDay though and the portal makes it more difficult for those schools to keep guys in the fold. If we demonstrate the ability to develop kids and get them to a better place (either to the league or a better NIL deal elsewhere) we'll be a coveted location.
I see our eventual model being 25 or so high upside high schoolers each year of which 5-10 are still on the roster in 2 years. Fill in your depth from the portal. Minimal risk if kids don't work out.
At what point do $$$ > gameday reps?I don't see this as bad news at all for WSU. If anything, it's good news.
Yes, Bama and other power schools are going to load up on talent each year. That'll happen regardless. There is an issue with reps on the field on GameDay though and the portal makes it more difficult for those schools to keep guys in the fold. If we demonstrate the ability to develop kids and get them to a better place (either to the league or a better NIL deal elsewhere) we'll be a coveted location.
I see our eventual model being 25 or so high upside high schoolers each year of which 5-10 are still on the roster in 2 years. Fill in your depth from the portal. Minimal risk if kids don't work out.
Problem I see, is that we will never get to where every school wants to get and thats to a championship game. You’re just a development school that will go no where but be mediocre.
I'm sure a few kids will take a few grand to ride the pine and have college paid for. The overwhelming majority will realize their value goes up if they see the field.At what point do $$$ > gameday reps?
I can't read this article, and I'm having a hard time finding good details on the discussions, but it looks like what they're talking about is removing the annual 25/32 scholarship limit, but not changing any roster limits or the cap on 85 scholarships per team.
I still don't like the idea, because it essentially allows Alabama to cut their backups every year and go out and buy the best players from other schools....but it's slightly better than what it sounded like...which was a return to the pre-limits days, when teams could just keep 100 kids on scholarship so nobody else can have them.
We're headed toward a situation where colleges become like varsity/JV/C-squad. Maybe 25 teams who have all the talented juniors and seniors, an occasional sophomore, and very few freshmen. The next ~40-50 teams will have mostly sophs and juniors, some freshmen, and seniors who are long on effort and short on talent. The remaining 40-50 teams will be dominated by freshmen and sophomores. Upperclassmen on those teams will be the ones who didn't progress. It won't be quite that cleanly divided, because the top 10 are going to poach from 11-25 also, but that's where I think things are going - everyone else will be feeder schools for the upper echelon.
There will be some downward movement too. The #5 receiver at Clemson who only caught 14 balls his junior season might get cut and replaced with the sophomore #1 receiver from NC State. #5 will then want to catch on somewhere and prove his worth. But the bigger impact is going to be the movement upward by the star performers, concentrating on a small number of teams.
Maybe once it's all complete, the NCAA and NFL can create a tie-in. The team who wins the NC gets a wild card berth in the NFL playoffs. Everybody on that team will be getting paid anyway, might as call them pros.
you're right, it's literally a joke.That would be a joke as even the last place, worst NFL team would beat whoever won the National Championship in College.
NFL ready, EXPERIENCED, but not too old, etc, STRONG MEN, vs not as ready, less experienced, less strong, etc, either younger MEN, AND BOYS.
Or MEN VS BOYS.
It would be a 75-0 blow out in favor of even worst NFL Team, let alone a play off, Superbowl team.
FOR?How about reparations for Paul Wulff while we're at it. Let's just promise everything to everyone while we're at it. This is madness.
Yes, it was literally a joke. I think even the college championship team would have little chance in an NFL playoff game.you're right, it's literally a joke.
Yes, it was literally a joke. I think even the college championship team would have little chance in an NFL playoff game.
I think Mik is wrong though...I think in a lot of years the college champ could at least hold their own against the worst NFL team. Some years I think they'd win. It'd rarely - if ever - be "a 75-0 blowout."
There's no way to make this work in an NCAA/NFL model, but maybe it could in the NCAA - I think it's pro soccer that has the worst team(s) in the league get demoted to a lower division, and the best teams get promoted to the higher one. I'd be interested in some sort of model that allowed progression from FCS-G5-P5, or whatever that looked like.
Now, I don't have to read through Mik's post,,,book,,,dissertaion to know that he's right. Detroit,,New York (teams) WHOMEVER you consider the worst would win by 28,30,,,36 points AND perhaps hurt a couple of players in the process.Yes, it was literally a joke. I think even the college championship team would have little chance in an NFL playoff game.
I think Mik is wrong though...I think in a lot of years the college champ could at least hold their own against the worst NFL team. Some years I think they'd win. It'd rarely - if ever - be "a 75-0 blowout."
There's no way to make this work in an NCAA/NFL model, but maybe it could in the NCAA - I think it's pro soccer that has the worst team(s) in the league get demoted to a lower division, and the best teams get promoted to the higher one. I'd be interested in some sort of model that allowed progression from FCS-G5-P5, or whatever that looked like.
Not to get into a big disagreement over a joke, but while I don't think it would be 75-0, even a championship team would get smoked by the worst NFL team. If it was a legendarily bad winless team or had a ton of players injured, it might be more like 21-7, but even a team capable of winning a single game or two in the NFL would smoke the college champ. It's easy to forget how elite the NFL is, especially with some highly visible examples of pedestrian QBs down the depth chart sticking around seemingly forever, giving the impression the NFL isn't loaded with talent. Up and down the rosters, any NFL team even remotely trying to win has players who almost all are about as good as the best starters from a championship team (at that point in the college player's maturity and training, especially), and the difference gets really stark when you go down the roster a bit.Yes, it was literally a joke. I think even the college championship team would have little chance in an NFL playoff game.
I think Mik is wrong though...I think in a lot of years the college champ could at least hold their own against the worst NFL team. Some years I think they'd win. It'd rarely - if ever - be "a 75-0 blowout."
There's no way to make this work in an NCAA/NFL model, but maybe it could in the NCAA - I think it's pro soccer that has the worst team(s) in the league get demoted to a lower division, and the best teams get promoted to the higher one. I'd be interested in some sort of model that allowed progression from FCS-G5-P5, or whatever that looked like.
It's hilarious, but this debate has been going on forever. I once asked a JC HC if the best JC program given 4 years at the JC level could beat any FBS teams and he said "forget about it" and "I know what you're saying, but forget about it. It ain't gonna happen EVER" I loved the dialogue. The coach is legendary.
I don’t know, there have been some days in Martin stadium where I though a decent high school team could have come out with a W. Forget about a JC.It's hilarious, but this debate has been going on forever. I once asked a JC HC if the best JC program given 4 years at the JC level could beat any FBS teams and he said "forget about it" and "I know what you're saying, but forget about it. It ain't gonna happen EVER" I loved the dialogue. The coach is legendary.
Not to get into a big disagreement over a joke, but while I don't think it would be 75-0, even a championship team would get smoked by the worst NFL team. If it was a legendarily bad winless team or had a ton of players injured, it might be more like 21-7, but even a team capable of winning a single game or two in the NFL would smoke the college champ. It's easy to forget how elite the NFL is, especially with some highly visible examples of pedestrian QBs down the depth chart sticking around seemingly forever, giving the impression the NFL isn't loaded with talent. Up and down the rosters, any NFL team even remotely trying to win has players who almost all are about as good as the best starters from a championship team (at that point in the college player's maturity and training, especially), and the difference gets really stark when you go down the roster a bit.
There have been times when the Fiero drivers were able to put in upgraded suspension and a supercharged Firebird engine and make a nice sleeper.Whatever this does, it's not like we were coming from a fairly level playing field.
For instance, Georgia had 15 players drafted this year. In one year. Georgia's single-year total is 3x more than WSU has combined on current NFL rosters. In recent years, Alabama, LSU & tOSU have sent 12-14 players per year in the draft.
Wherever this takes us, we were already in a league where Bugattis were allowed to race Pontiac Fieros.
These are your Boise States and NDSUs. But they are the exception.There have been times when the Fiero drivers were able to put in upgraded suspension and a supercharged Firebird engine and make a nice sleeper.
This ensures that they'll only be able to buy fuzzy dice and chrome valve covers while the Bugattis get F1 engineers, drivers, and parts for their cars.
Clearly in this analogy the Fiero is UW.These are your Boise States and NDSUs. But they are the exception.
In keeping with the analogy, if you don't believe me, throw a rev at the next Fiero you see on the street. $20 says he's a pedophile and not a custom car tuner. Let me know how it goes.
That’s the only real available comparison, but it was against the super bowl champs, not the league doormat. I think some (not all) of the NC winners could hang with the teams that earn too draft picks.42 years ago today, the College All-Star Game came to a rainy end - ProFootballTalk
If someone proposed it today, they’d get laughed out of the room. But there was a time when one of the major events of the American sports year was a game between the reigning NFL champions and a team of college all-stars. And it all came to an end 42 years ago today.Known as the [more]profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
It's hard to say what would happen if Alabama or Georgia in peak form took on a bad NFL team, but they used to have college all-stars play against the NFL champs every year. The last game, played in the rain, had the Steelers up 24-0 in the third quarter before it was cancelled because of weather.
I'm guessing with the development of the NFL over the past 40+ years, it would be an absolute bloodbath most of the time.
The weather and the fact that legs were being broken. The replay shows him being taken out on a stretcher. Had to of hurt.42 years ago today, the College All-Star Game came to a rainy end - ProFootballTalk
If someone proposed it today, they’d get laughed out of the room. But there was a time when one of the major events of the American sports year was a game between the reigning NFL champions and a team of college all-stars. And it all came to an end 42 years ago today.Known as the [more]profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
It's hard to say what would happen if Alabama or Georgia in peak form took on a bad NFL team, but they used to have college all-stars play against the NFL champs every year. The last game, played in the rain, had the Steelers up 24-0 in the third quarter before it was cancelled because of weather.
I'm guessing with the development of the NFL over the past 40+ years, it would be an absolute bloodbath most of the time.
That’s the only real available comparison, but it was against the super bowl champs, not the league doormat. I think some (not all) of the NC winners could hang with the teams that earn too draft picks.