Canzano's suggesting its UTSA and Texas State...

[95coug]

I don't see much of a need for higher education beyond 10, certainly 20 years. Reading, writing, and arithmetic are already handled by A.I.

Colleges will evolve I suppose, but I don't see a future where people pay $100K to send their kids to Pullman. I suggested a long time ago that WSU should consider getting ahead of the coming trade school resurgence and figure out a way to offer some of the big trade programs and incorporating them with existing business curriculum. Business major with a specialty emphasis in HVAC, plumbing, carpentry, electrical, coding, A.I., etc.

Universities will continue to operate with emphasis on the white collar professions - engineering, law, medicine - at the minimum. There are also health sciences like pharmacy. Medicine and pharmacy both need people to be trained in biology and chemistry too. The defense industry needs chemistry, physics, and biology. And, there's also education - your kids and grandkids aren't going to get better teachers by eliminating the higher ed education programs.

And all of those need to have people in labs doing the research. And commercial labs aren't going to cover it, because they're only interested in the R&D that has a near-term profit. University research is where the experiments are done that have a down-the-road payoff...and also where the research that fails is. Commercial labs don't want to do research that hasn't already shown promise somewhere else.

I would agree that the degrees in the liberal arts and soft sciences should probably see reductions. But I've agreed with that for 30 years, and you can still get a BA in sociology or fine arts at most universities.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Have you seen how much Perry in Yakima is?

It is not as cheap as some may think.

Ok Laz-y-Boy, I looked up Perry. Their net cost calculator is 3 years old, so assume few couple/few increases since then.

Tuition: 22,912
Books, supplies, etc. 5,327

So a shade over $28K then, probably $30-32K now. Per year. Not counting all the other - living, transportation, etc.

WSU? A shade under $15K for tuition and books. Plus housing, etc. that would be more than YakiVegas. Although Perry's estimated room and board charges were $22K and WSU's are about $19K.

Plus Perry, like similar schools, is hardcore teaching you HVAC or plumbing or whatever. One year and you are out and employable. 1.5 or 2 for some.

So unless your vision is the WSU University and Trucking College, no to trade school unless it's simply to show students shit they are learning about.

 

[95coug]

Ok Laz-y-Boy, I looked up Perry. Their net cost calculator is 3 years old, so assume few couple/few increases since then.

Tuition: 22,912
Books, supplies, etc. 5,327

So a shade over $28K then, probably $30-32K now. Per year. Not counting all the other - living, transportation, etc.

WSU? A shade under $15K for tuition and books. Plus housing, etc. that would be more than YakiVegas. Although Perry's estimated room and board charges were $22K and WSU's are about $19K.

Plus Perry, like similar schools, is hardcore teaching you HVAC or plumbing or whatever. One year and you are out and employable. 1.5 or 2 for some.

So unless your vision is the WSU University and Trucking College, no to trade school unless it's simply to show students shit they are learning about.

I know some people who used to teach at Perry. Based on them, I doubt that they're teaching anything very vigorously.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Ok Laz-y-Boy, I looked up Perry. Their net cost calculator is 3 years old, so assume few couple/few increases since then.

Tuition: 22,912
Books, supplies, etc. 5,327

So a shade over $28K then, probably $30-32K now. Per year. Not counting all the other - living, transportation, etc.

WSU? A shade under $15K for tuition and books. Plus housing, etc. that would be more than YakiVegas. Although Perry's estimated room and board charges were $22K and WSU's are about $19K.

Plus Perry, like similar schools, is hardcore teaching you HVAC or plumbing or whatever. One year and you are out and employable. 1.5 or 2 for some.

So unless your vision is the WSU University and Trucking College, no to trade school unless it's simply to show students shit they are learning about.

Why am I lazy?

Ive made no mention of WSU adding trades.

It’s good that at your advanced age you can use the internet.

 

[Coug90]

Do you wanna be open for business or not? Pick. Cause for a lot of schools that is the decision happening right now. Open the doors and let in paying customers or close the doors and find somewhere else to work.

Oh I know they will, it’s just funny because grade inflation is a real thing. As they lower requirements there it’s going to get interesting on campus.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Oh I know they will, it’s just funny because grade inflation is a real thing. As they lower requirements there it’s going to get interesting on campus.

Fill every dorm with frosh. If they flunk out, oh well. If they make it, great. Bring in more the next year. Keep doing it until the school is packed with kids.

You dont have to lower the quality of teaching or expectations. But you do need butts in seats. Preferably paying full tuition.

Not every school is gonna make it. The enrollment cliff is here.

 

[CougPatrol]

What percentage of applicants get denied admission at WSU? It can’t be very high.

 

[95coug]

What percentage of applicants get denied admission at WSU? It can’t be very high.

I think I saw a number that was in the low 80s.
It’ll get higher. WSU has no money, and needs to accept anyone whose check will clear.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I think I saw a number that was in the low 80s.
It’ll get higher. WSU has no money, and needs to accept anyone whose check will clear.

Gawd you all are lazy. So below is a chart of applications, admitted. etc. from WSU. But something is F-ed up about the chart axes. The left one is fine, but the right one is WTF?

https://data.wsu.edu/system-data/institutional-dashboards/student/admissions/

I'm going to bed (honey is calling urgently) but will look at this tomorrow.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I think I saw a number that was in the low 80s.
It’ll get higher. WSU has no money, and needs to accept anyone whose check will clear.

WSU needs to be in the Puget Sound and Bay Area recruiting 2.5 gpa kids from wealthy families. They will write a check for full amount. Overseas too.

 

[PeteTheChop]

WSU needs to be in the Puget Sound and Bay Area recruiting 2.5 gpa kids from wealthy families. They will write a check for full amount. Overseas too.

👍

Where are those kids going to college now?

Are their rich parents just "settling" for junior college or trade school as opposed to using resources to "help" their offspring into a chosen school (pay for play for lack of a better term)?

 

[PeteTheChop]

What percentage of applicants get denied admission at WSU? It can’t be very high.

I think I saw a number that was in the low 80s.

If the new president and her braintrust denied admission to just 65 percent of applicants (instead of the low 80s), would that increase enrollment to the desired levels?

 

[UberCougars]

Gonna need a new idea


####. The acceptance rate at Washington State University (WSU) for the 2023-2024 academic year is approximately 85%. This figure is based on data indicating that out of 26,166 applicants, 22,335 were admitted.[](https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/236939/washington-state-university/admission/)[](https://www.shiksha.com/studyabroad/usa/universities/washington-state-university/acceptance-rate)

 

[mikalalas]

What percentage of applicants get denied admission at WSU? It can’t be very high.

I was, because 1. I didnt have at least 1 or 2 years of foreign language(Either Spanish, French, Germany, etc(I had 1 quarter, trimester, semester of Spanish, and got a D+, C-(My teacher was generous, could have either given me a D-, F).

2. My highest math level was College Algebra, and Pre Trigonometry.

3. I was rejected, told by the WSU counselors, recruiters, that I didnt meet the foreign language, math requirement.

I met all the other requirements of 3.0 GPA(2.0, 2.5, 2.75 GPA is for Scholly athletes, etc), About somewhere between about 900, 950, 1000, 1050 SAT, etc, and a ACT of about 18, 19, 20, 21, and scored a top 85% score on the militiary Asvab test(I was being recruited to the Airforce Academy with my Asvab test score results)

To be fair EWU also rejected me for the same reasons as WSU did.

So I went the community college route, and studied Journalism, and Computer Networking, and hardware, and internet web design programming.

I wanted to be a cyber journalist and wanted to transfer to WSU to goto the Edwin R Murrow school of journalism at WSU.

I was still rejected over the foreign language, math requirement.

 

[BiggsCoug]

👍

Where are those kids going to college now?

Are their rich parents just "settling" for junior college or trade school as opposed to using resources to "help" their offspring into a chosen school (pay for play for lack of a better term)?

Prob private schools out of state.

 

[95coug]

If the new president and her braintrust denied admission to just 65 percent of applicants (instead of the low 80s), would that increase enrollment to the desired levels?

We don’t deny 80%. We accept that many. But 2/3 of the ones who are accepted never show up.

 

[PeteTheChop]

We don’t deny 80%. We accept that many. But 2/3 of the ones who are accepted never show up.

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

Wonder what happens with the kids who get accepted and don't show up? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through to apply to college then not go

 

[UberCougars]

#### For fall 2024, Washington State University admitted a total of 9,496 new students. This includes 4,350 new first-year students and 5,146 transfer students.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

We don’t deny 80%. We accept that many. But 2/3 of the ones who are accepted never show up.

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

Wonder what happens with the kids who get accepted and don't show up? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through to apply to college then not not go

Oh boy. Did anyone in this thread look at my chart posted yesterday? (Link below, AGAIN). Confirms all these numbers being thrown out.

95 - I'm sure you looked at it.

Pete, Pete, Pete. Good on 95 for correcting your dyslexic math. As far as recruitment, it's like this. Most students, especially better ones, will apply to multiple colleges. So in 2024, out of a 100% total, 85% were accepted. Out of that subset, 34% confirmed. I'm not sure what that is, probably the second stage of paperwork. So 2/3 decided to go somewhere else where they had applied, or to not go to school at all. The 75% of the confirmed subset is interesting. Another 25% that went somewhere else as well is my guess.

Oh, one other note, Stanford's acceptance rate is 4.34%. I'll find a chart that shows everyone. WSU is definitely on the high (meaning low) end of the scale nationally.

WSU stats for 2024 - "%" is the % of each subset above it, not of the total.
Applicants % Total %
31,835 100% 100%
26,975 85% 85%
9,209 34% 29%
6,932 75% 22%

https://data.wsu.edu/system-data/institutional-dashboards/student/admissions/

 

[PeteTheChop]

#### For fall 2024, Washington State University admitted a total of 9,496 new students. This includes 4,350 new first-year students and 5,146 transfer students.

Impressive portal performance by WSU's administration

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Impressive portal performance by WSU's administration

Ok Pete - you are starting to be annoying. Do you ever look at anything other than posts on this board? If you go to the chart that I have now linked twice (it's got sortable dropdown fields), you will find that the numbers that you seem to believe are completely wrong. Also that our recruitment of transfer students (from applicants all the way to enrolled) has pretty much gone down in all categories every year since 2016. So if you want to call this "impressive portal performance" you should rethink. And "portal"? WTF? That's just stup...........grrrr......

 

[95coug]

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

Wonder what happens with the kids who get accepted and don't show up? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through to apply to college then not not go

Not really. Applications are all online, and the fees - where they aren’t waived - haven’t changed since about 1990. No need to submit test scores or extracurriculars. It’s shockingly easy.

If I was applying today, it would be to at least a half dozen schools instead of the 2 I actually applied to. I’d throw applications at places like Stanford and Harvard just to see if I could get in. Back then, the $100 application fee stopped me.

 

[95coug]

Oh boy. Did anyone in this thread look at my chart posted yesterday? (Link below, AGAIN). Confirms all these numbers being thrown out.

95 - I'm sure you looked at it.

Pete, Pete, Pete. Good on 95 for correcting your dyslexic math. As far as recruitment, it's like this. Most students, especially better ones, will apply to multiple colleges. So in 2024, out of a 100% total, 85% were accepted. Out of that subset, 34% confirmed. I'm not sure what that is, probably the second stage of paperwork. So 2/3 decided to go somewhere else where they had applied, or to not go to school at all. The 75% of the confirmed subset is interesting. Another 25% that went somewhere else as well is my guess.

Oh, one other note, Stanford's acceptance rate is 4.34%. I'll find a chart that shows everyone. WSU is definitely on the high (meaning low) end of the scale nationally.

WSU stats for 2024 - "%" is the % of each subset above it, not of the total.
Applicants % Total %
31,835 100% 100%
26,975 85% 85%
9,209 34% 29%
6,932 75% 22%

https://data.wsu.edu/system-data/institutional-dashboards/student/admissions/

I think that “confirmed” means that they’ve applied, been accepted, said they were coming (~6 weeks before the semester starts) and accepted their offer of enrollment. I think they pay a deposit of ~$150, but I’m not sure if that’s part of the confirmation process or if it comes later. Basically, it’s a no risk commitment until the point where you register for classes.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Not really. Applications are all online, and the fees - where they aren’t waived - haven’t changed since about 1990. No need to submit test scores or extracurriculars. It’s shockingly easy.

If I was applying today, it would be to at least a half dozen schools instead of the 2 I actually applied to. I’d throw applications at places like Stanford and Harvard just to see if I could get in. Back then, the $100 application fee stopped me.

There are kids/families that will put a deposit down to hold their spot so they can have more time to decide. Imo, kids should be applying to as many schools as possible and getting as many financial aid packages as possible. Create as many options as you can. Then choose.

 

[Coug90]

WSU needs to be in the Puget Sound and Bay Area recruiting 2.5 gpa kids from wealthy families. They will write a check for full amount. Overseas too.

Until UW catches on and starts turning away more 4.0 in state kids like they have for international students.

 

[Coug90]

I think that “confirmed” means that they’ve applied, been accepted, said they were coming (~6 weeks before the semester starts) and accepted their offer of enrollment. I think they pay a deposit of ~$150, but I’m not sure if that’s part of the confirmation process or if it comes later. Basically, it’s a no risk commitment until the point where you register for classes.

The deposits are part of the confirmation process and aren’t refundable. Just went through this w my senior.

 

[PeteTheChop]

The deposits are part of the confirmation process and aren’t refundable. Just went through this w my senior.

Congrats on your child getting accepted to and choosing your alma mater. That's awesome

 

[95coug]

Until UW catches on and starts turning away more 4.0 in state kids like they have for international students.

Actually, the financial math says that UW and WSU both should fill as many seats as possible with out of state and international kids. In state kids don’t pay enough.

 

[Coug90]

Congrats on your child getting accepted to and choosing your alma mater. That's awesome

Thanks Pete! Unfortunately he didn’t although I hate to say for good academic reasons. He’s going to Cal Poly to be an aeronautical engineer.

Looks like I’m gonna be 0 fer 2 next year as my daughter has different interests as well than spending 5 or 6 years in Gods country 🤷

 

[Coug90]

Actually, the financial math says that UW and WSU both should fill as many seats as possible with out of state and international kids. In state kids don’t pay enough.

Financial math yes, responsibility to your state as a public school, no. The math is changing though, especially for WSU, so agree they need to work every angle possible to increase enrollment. Being the “good guys” of the two schools is a nice story but won’t cut it in the long run.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Financial math yes, responsibility to your state as a public school, no. The math is changing though, especially for WSU, so agree they need to work every angle possible to increase enrollment. Being the “good guys” of the two schools is a nice story but won’t cut it in the long run.

If state schools are taking state tax dollars they should be loading their classrooms with instate students. The idea that you can take state tax dollars and then deny instate children an education because of this reason or that reason is criminal. It is theft from their parents that pay state taxes. Just my two cents.

 

[95coug]

Financial math yes, responsibility to your state as a public school, no. The math is changing though, especially for WSU, so agree they need to work every angle possible to increase enrollment. Being the “good guys” of the two schools is a nice story but won’t cut it in the long run.

If state schools are taking state tax dollars they should be loading their classrooms with instate students. The idea that you can take state tax dollars and then deny instate children an education because of this reason or that reason is criminal. It is theft from their parents that pay state taxes. Just my two cents.

Problem is that the state tax dollars provided don’t cover the expense anymore, so the students need to. While there’s certainly valid questions about the way that funding is being used, if the state legislature wants the state schools to emphasize in-state kids, they need to make sure that that approach is financially viable. And it would also be great if they would make sure the in-state kids are actually learning enough before graduating high school that they can be successful in college. They’ve been falling down on both jobs for the last decade plus.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Problem is that the state tax dollars provided don’t cover the expense anymore, so the students need to. While there’s certainly valid questions about the way that funding is being used, if the state legislature wants the state schools to emphasize in-state kids, they need to make sure that that approach is financially viable. And it would also be great if they would make sure the in-state kids are actually learning enough before graduating high school that they can be successful in college. They’ve been falling down on both jobs for the last decade plus.

If it is $40 or $40,000,000, it doesnt matter. Take the state’s $$$, you teach the state’s children.

I wouldnt argue with you about the K-12 education not being up to snuff. For those that can, they should do. For those that cannot, but want to…. teach them. If the choices are …. don’t get kids up to speed or get kids up to speed, it is better for the kid and the state long term for them to get coached up. So teach them.

Imo, it should be 1 application for entrance into any school taking state $$$. You may not get in to all of them but you are getting in somewhere. Dorm rooms and classrooms should be full.

And dont get me started on student loan debt lol

 

[cr8zyncalif]

I remained unconvinced we ever actually had a real shot at the nevada schools. Same with Memphis/Tulane.

This. It wasn't botched; those teams were not ready to jump. Not saying they won't be ready at some point, but they were not ready now. UNLV has a set of issues; I'm sure we'll take them if/when those issues are resolved. I'd like to have Air Force due to their unusual across the board appeal. If we start with Tx St and UTSA, that will actually make us more appealing to Memphis/Tulane, if that is our goal.

We are positioned pretty well at this point, all things considered. Sure, I'd like us to be B12, but that is not reality. So we forge our own path.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

This. It wasn't botched; those teams were not ready to jump. Not saying they won't be ready at some point, but they were not ready now. UNLV has a set of issues; I'm sure we'll take them if/when those issues are resolved. I'd like to have Air Force due to their unusual across the board appeal. If we start with Tx St and UTSA, that will actually make us more appealing to Memphis/Tulane, if that is our goal.

We are positioned pretty well at this point, all things considered. Sure, I'd like us to be B12, but that is not reality. So we forge our own path.

That's kind of funny, crzyn. As we get ready to poach the mighty Sun Belt Conference for our 8th member.

 

[UberCougars]

this thread is like arguing over how the fold of the napkins on the table is all wrong… a couple of hours after the iceberg had been struck and the ship 🚢 was already listing.

 

[PeteTheChop]

PLAN A (2023):
1. Cougs
2. Beavs
3. Air Force
4. Boise
5. CSU
6. Fresno
7. Memphis
8. SDSU
9. South Florida
10. Tulane
11. UNLV
12. Zags (Olympic Sports)

LIKELY OUTCOME (2025):
1. Cougs
2. Beavs
3. Boise
4. CSU
5. Fresno
6. SDSU
7. TX ST
8. Utah St
9. UT-San Antonio
10. Zags (Olympic Sports)

 

[UberCougars]

If it is $40 or $40,000,000, it doesnt matter. Take the state’s $$$, you teach the state’s children.

I wouldnt argue with you about the K-12 education not being up to snuff. For those that can, they should do. For those that cannot, but want to…. teach them. If the choices are …. don’t get kids up to speed or get kids up to speed, it is better for the kid and the state long term for them to get coached up. So teach them.

Imo, it should be 1 application for entrance into any school taking state $$$. You may not get in to all of them but you are getting in somewhere. Dorm rooms and classrooms should be full.

And dont get me started on student loan debt lol

It appears WSU has embraced the portal.

Why recruit the “Best” in-state talent if there are better, more talented, more accomplished individuals wanting to enroll, with higher upside from out of State/Country?

Is the goal at Washington State University to be the best World Class Face to Face University? Or, is it to be “a pretty good choice” for in-state kids struggling to get admitted anywhere else that’s affordable?

Imagine yourself putting together a Little League all-star team. Do you want the best kids from your local rec-league? Or, the best kids you can find from around the country/world, willing to fill out the paperwork necessary to become eligible to play for you?

 

[BiggsCoug]

It appears WSU has embraced the portal.

Why recruit the “Best” in-state talent if there are better, more talented, more accomplished individuals wanting to enroll, with higher upside from out of State/Country?

Is the goal at Washington State University to be the best World Class Face to Face University? Or, is it to be “a pretty good choice” for in-state kids struggling to get admitted anywhere else that’s affordable?

Imagine yourself putting together a Little League all-star team. Do you want the best kids from your local rec-league? Or, the best kids you can find from around the country/world, willing to fill out the paperwork necessary to become eligible to play for you?

WSU needs $$$. They need the extra dollars out of state kids pay. Which is why I wrote in an earlier post they needed to be in the SF Bay. They also take state tax dollars. Imo, they need to be filling their dorms and classrooms with as many instate kids as they can. Both can be true.

 

[ttowncoug]

WSU needs $$$. They need the extra dollars out of state kids pay. Which is why I wrote in an earlier post they needed to be in the SF Bay. They also take state tax dollars. Imo, they need to be filling their dorms and classrooms with as many instate kids as they can. Both can be true.

I suspect St. Mary's might get an invite for Olympic sports as well.