Combine week: I predict Cooper's draft stock to rise

[ttowncoug]

For a few reasons:
1. Looking at Seattle, teams are going to want more help on the d-line by having a solid rotation.
2. Cooper is pretty good at getting penetration. He hasn't had much help around him (LBs), so it's hard to see on film what he might do. He's had good games (Oregon) against good talent.
3. Good, strong physical frame and does not have much body fat for his size.
4. Supply/demand. As Parcells once said, not a whole lof of 300 lb, strong, guys that can move and run. If you find them, get them.

I personally think he goes in the 3rd round.

 

[YakiCoug]

Originally posted by ttowncoug:
For a few reasons:
1. Looking at Seattle, teams are going to want more help on the d-line by having a solid rotation.
2. Cooper is pretty good at getting penetration. He hasn't had much help around him (LBs), so it's hard to see on film what he might do. He's had good games (Oregon) against good talent.
3. Good, strong physical frame and does not have much body fat for his size.
4. Supply/demand. As Parcells once said, not a whole lof of 300 lb, strong, guys that can move and run. If you find them, get them.

I personally think he goes in the 3rd round.

The Ducks were down two starters on the O-line that game. I believe a freshman and a redshirt freshman had to play. This helps explain his five tackles, 1.5 sacks and 2 tfls. But best of luck to him in the combine.

 

[dgibbons]

IMO, Mayle is the guy with the most to gain. If he tests well in the 40 and shuttle, he'll go earlier. His size and strength are legit.

 

[CrimsonWazzu]

Originally posted by dgibbons:

IMO, Mayle is the guy with the most to gain. If he tests well in the 40 and shuttle, he'll go earlier. His size and strength are legit.

This.

He's projecting anywhere from 3rd to 5th round right now, I could see a team taking a mid-late 2nd flyer on him if he runs well. I imagine he's going to put up a good bench press count and vert jump number.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Originally posted by CrimsonWazzu:

Originally posted by dgibbons:

IMO, Mayle is the guy with the most to gain. If he tests well in the 40 and shuttle, he'll go earlier. His size and strength are legit.

This.

He's projecting anywhere from 3rd to 5th round right now, I could see a team taking a mid-late 2nd flyer on him if he runs well. I imagine he's going to put up a good bench press count and vert jump number.

*Cough Seattle cough* go and grab Mayle.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Ttown, for X's sake I hope you are right.

Might work out that way; I think that is the most optimistic possible result from his decision.

We'll have to see how it shakes out. I think that at the NFL level he will be a developmental project for at least one year, maybe two. Yes, he is an agile 300 pound player, and that is a plus. But I don't know how many teams will be willing to carry him for a year or more to get him up to speed.

Back in the day a kid like X would have put in a couple of years in the CFL, and if he was developed there, he would get a shot at moving to the NFL. Times have changed. I'll be interested to see how it goes. X is a Coug, and I wish him success.

 

[ttowncoug]

X is listed as the 8th best defensive tackle in the draft. This same spot, went in the 3rd round last year. If X runs a sub 5.0 40, he moves up a spot or two.

 

[CougEd]

His body of work does not say third round...there were moments it looked

like the light bulb went on. What round did Rien Long get picked in?

 

[E Jones]

Re: His body of work does not say third round...there were moments it looked

Originally posted by CougEd:
like the light bulb went on. What round did Rien Long get picked in?

Third round? Maybe fourth

 

[ttowncoug]

Re: His body of work does not say third round...there were moments it looked

ED - the analyst's have him rated at the 8th best in the draft. As you know, this ranking is a combination of what he's done on the field, but more so on his athletic ability.

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by dgibbons:

IMO, Mayle is the guy with the most to gain. If he tests well in the 40 and shuttle, he'll go earlier. His size and strength are legit.

I read somewhere that Mayle had the highest drop percentage of any other WR in college football. His physical skills will likely overshadow that, but I suspect he'll have a hard time sticking in the NFL.

 

[Coug95man2]

I'd disagree with your assumed numbers. Attached is a spreadsheet of the Top 100 WR's from 2014 from Football Outsiders… a GREAT site for us number geeks.

In another article, but with NFL WR's, it says specifically that there is no way to determine dropped passes vs. incomplete passes and the differentiation isn't released to the public. I don't see why/how the NCAA would be different. That link is here: WIDE RECEIVERS 2014 - Football Outsiders
Mayle is 14th.

BTW, Isiah Myers is 57th WR in the nation, according to these guys.

This post was edited on 2/18 3:45 PM by Coug95man2

WR corp numbers from 2014

 

[CougEd]

The experts ranked Long higher...

If he has an average workout he will drop from that projected 3rd round.

 

[CougEd]

It will all depend on his 40 time. 4.55 he gets drafted

4.65 to 4.70 likely to be a free agent.

 

[longtimecoug]

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by dgibbons:

IMO, Mayle is the guy with the most to gain. If he tests well in the 40 and shuttle, he'll go earlier. His size and strength are legit.

I read somewhere that Mayle had the highest drop percentage of any other WR in college football. His physical skills will likely overshadow that, but I suspect he'll have a hard time sticking in the NFL.

I find that a little hard to believe

 

[MRICoug]

Re: It will all depend on his 40 time. 4.55 he gets drafted

Originally posted by CougEd:
4.65 to 4.70 likely to be a free agent.

I think he will be drafted unless he really screws up. Right now I think 4-5th round. If he does well I can see late second or 3rd.

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by longtimecoug:

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by dgibbons:

IMO, Mayle is the guy with the most to gain. If he tests well in the 40 and shuttle, he'll go earlier. His size and strength are legit.

I read somewhere that Mayle had the highest drop percentage of any other WR in college football. His physical skills will likely overshadow that, but I suspect he'll have a hard time sticking in the NFL.

I find that a little hard to believe

I didn't believe it either, but that's the knock on him. I'll can't find the article I was referring to, but it had Mayle leading the nation in number or drops per attempt. If true, it'll be hard for a big, slow WR with bad hands to stick in the NFL.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/vince-mayle?id=2552431

http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl-draft/scouting-reports/wr/2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report-wr-vince-mayle-r6101

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079732/vince-mayle

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: It will all depend on his 40 time. 4.55 he gets drafted

Originally posted by MRICoug:

Originally posted by CougEd:
4.65 to 4.70 likely to be a free agent.

I think he will be drafted unless he really screws up. Right now I think 4-5th round. If he does well I can see late second or 3rd.

It is rare for an interior d-lineman to run the forty in 4.7 or faster, and I don't believe Cooper's T-Rex arms help him much. That and a lack of strength might explain why he's criticized for often failing to wrap people up. Still, I think he likely was one of two decent defensive recruits from the Wulffian era, although both he and Deone Bucannon made huge strides after Leach arrived. They might not have ever properly developed under the old staff.

This post was edited on 2/20 1:03 PM by YakiCoug

 

[Coug95man2]

I will say, the "body catching" is a weakness.

But the dropped ball thing… So they say he "dropped" the ball 13 times in 2014. He was thrown the ball 163 times (the most of any WR in the FBS) with 106 catches making a 65% catch rate. While not the best catch rate, not bad either. But to go to 13 drops per 163 attempts. That's basically 8% dropped. I'd love to know what other WR's "drop" rate are. I'd love to know how the NFL gets the "drop" numbers. I've searched and searched. Can't find those anywhere to compare.

 

[CougEd]

They are counting balls they should have caught.

8% is high.

 

[CougPatrol]

Re: They are counting balls they should have caught.


I think 8% is pretty high too, but it doesn't sound like it's a big issue in the eyes of the scouts. Mayle is likely going to be drafted, possibly in the 3rd to 4th round. He'll certainly get his shot.

 

[Coug95man2]

Re: They are counting balls they should have caught.

Seems it to me as well but you know me Ed… Show me some numbers of other WR's, how many they dropped vs. how many attempts. I'd honestly love to just find where I can get a hold of "dropped ball" numbers, in general!

Then here's the REAL crux of my thought… So if a QB threw a ball towards a WR with zero thought to really getting it to that specific WR (so he isn't called for intentional grounding) is that a part of these "dropped" numbers? How about a fade in the end zone that was completely uncatchable but the WR had fingers on it. How about a worm burner? Do you see how Halliday's "choices" might be impacting these very unofficial numbers of "dropped" balls?

I'd love to know how these numbers were come by, what choices were made regarding parameters of definition that summed these 13 drops… I'd just love to find out HOW they came up with those 13. They could be completely justified, I haven't a clue. But that's my point.

 

[dgibbons]

You were right.

Cooper did a great job. His 3 cone and 40 were great. Remember this is the DL group, which includes DEs and DTs.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25077770/nfl-combine-results-defensive-linemen

 

[ttowncoug]

Re: You were right.

His forty time could push him to a late second round pick up.

X made the right decision to leave early. Kind of hoping he gets a shot to play in Seattle.

 

[CrimsonWazzu]

Re: You were right.

29 reps on the bench, which was 9th for all DL. He's helping his stock immensely with these numbers. And we already know he's got an outstanding character, he will impress many GM's and be on the radar. If he's still on the board in the 4th round I'd be shocked.

 

[CougEd]

Well Devard was a 3rd rounder along with Hill and Gibson...does Mayle

have their talent?

But if he gets picked by round 5 that would be a good thing.
This post was edited on 2/23 2:37 PM by CougEd

 

[CrimsonWazzu]

Re: Well Devard was a 3rd rounder along with Hill and Gibson...does Mayle

Originally posted by CougEd:
have their talent?

But if he gets picked by round 5 that would be a good thing.
This post was edited on 2/23 2:37 PM by CougEd

Yeah, that's about where most are projecting him right now. Physically, a team could value him higher, but skill wise and speed he's in the 4-6th round. This is such a weak draft, which is good for him.

He's got much better physical talent than Hill or Devard, but doesn't have the receiver skill set quite as refined as they did when they got to the league. Ultimately, guys can get better skill-wise, but more or less are who they are physically at that position. Not many guys at the skill positions make huge physical changes throughout their careers that morph them into completely different players. That's where Vince's upside is quite a bit higher.

If the guy continues to have a great work ethic and gets put into the right system, he could be a very good player in the league.

 

[CougEd]

I guess that is where I don't see it in Mayle...

He is "more physical"? Meaning he is stronger and can get off the jam? Is that what that means?

Quick feet and strong hands are just as important as getting off a jam.

I would of loved to see Mayle have a better time in the 40 instead of having the 3rd worse time for a WR in the draft.