The brand Big 10 is worth more than that.Proving that everything in CFB is now for sale, the Big 12 is apparently considering becoming the Allstate 12. Could be worth $3M per team.
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Proving that everything in CFB is now for sale, the Big 12 is apparently considering becoming the Allstate 12. Could be worth $3M per team.
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$250 million is a pipe dream.Wonder if Pres. Schulz and Mrs. McCoy are collaborating with their counterparts at Oregon State.
That could be a chance to add to the $250M nest egg
Not sure what you mean. $250M is a real number, as has been discussed numerous times. But it is already being spent, along the lines of ~$10M to balance our FY 24 budget, and $30M plus to balance FY 25's budget. Plus the money for our scheduling agreements ($14M to the MW, $7M for our half). So WSU's $125M is already spent or committed to the tune of $47M and counting. Of the rest, $30M in future NCAA BB $ will be lost if we join one of the fantasy conferences everybody but the mighty Loyal One crows about.$250 million is a pipe dream.
Sure it’s a real number*
Contingent upon New-PAC regenerating itself into a power 5 with a Mega Media deal.
That money was also committed to future liability awards from pending court cases, yes?
- there’s always a chance. It’s why you play the game.UberCoug, any chance the Pac-2 could go back and get additional financial assistance from the 10 schools that left if these legal bills pile up?
Could the Whitman County judge take another look at the matter as conditions have changed now that the NCAA's blood is in the water so to speak?
WTF are you talking about? Contingent upon what? The only contingency is the $30M in NCAA BB units - we have to still be a conference.Sure it’s a real number*
Contingent upon New-PAC regenerating itself into a power 5 with a Mega Media deal.
That money was also committed to future liability awards from pending court cases, yes?
Then there is this article. The MW isn't sitting on their hands. Yet another reason for us to get the reverse merger going and rebrand as the Alaska Air PacWest or Alaska Pac Mtn conference. Otherwise we are going to be left out and totally F-ed. It is sooo obvious. Oh but let's be patient.....This guy spit balling some names for naming rights. Pac-12 mentioned in the article.
The (Potential) Future World of Conference Naming Rights: Which Sponsors Fit Best? — Hoosier Huddle
By Evan Alvarez McDonald’s Ligue 1, La Liga EA Sports, Barclays Premier League (formerly), and Serie A Enilive are recent examples of European and English soccer leagues signing title sponsors for their respective leagues - effectively changing the name of the leagues entirely when discussing them.hoosierhuddle.com
Highly insightful post as usual. The MW, as per the link in another post, is already looking at naming rights. A new PacMtn-12/14 is not a pipe dream. And an Alaska Air PacMtn Conference is not a pipe dream. What is the name of the mutts BB arena? Merging into the MW, as discussed ad nauseum, would cost us $30M in lost NCAA BB revenues. While we sit around for 2 years and earn -0- in future NCAA revenues. That is just stupid.There will be no naming rights to the Pac 2/12ths
We need to stop living in a pipe dream. Hang on for two years to get any remnants of Pac 12 assets then merge with the MWC.
Wasting money and brain cells trying to convince 10 institutions to jump into a resurrected PAC 12 is titling at windmills.
What part of hold tight for two years is difficult to understand?Highly insightful post as usual. The MW, as per the link in another post, is already looking at naming rights. A new PacMtn-12/14 is not a pipe dream. And an Alaska Air PacMtn Conference is not a pipe dream. What is the name of the mutts BB arena? Merging into the MW, as discussed ad nauseum, would cost us $30M in lost NCAA BB revenues. While we sit around for 2 years and earn -0- in future NCAA revenues. That is just stupid.
In two years the most likely outcome is a merger between the Pac 2/12ths and the MWC without having either party need to pay exit fees or give up what they already have in hand.
Observer11:Why would the MWC voluntarily implode? They already have a deal, a conference and a schedule.
What broadcaster(s) are holding their breath with checkbook open, to add WSU and OSU to MWC?
Explain it to me like I’m 6 years old.
Oh you guys.What part of hold tight for two years is difficult to understand?
What part of there will be no Pac 2/12ths naming deal is difficult to understand?
In two years the most likely outcome is a merger between the Pac 2/12ths and the MWC without having either party need to pay exit fees or give up what they already have in hand.
Well those are a good start. Plus being part of their next media deal. Plus start earning NCAA BB units (the MW had what, 5-6 teams in the tourney this year?). Plus being able to compete for a league title and a helluva better shot at getting a CFP invite. And saving a shit ton of money closing the Pac-2 offices in favor of Gloria as Commissioner and her offices as the league HQ. And maybe, just maybe salvaging a decent bowl affiliation or 2.0-11, Some in the media as well as Mik here at CougZone think including all the MWC schools will dilute the value of the conference, in other words: "cut the bottom feeders" to raise the value.
Are they any other advantages to a 14-team superconference other than dodging exit fees or spending a rightfully-earned windfall?
Loyal is anxious. And refuses to realize that the bargain basement, discount rack TV deal the MWC has will still be around.What part of hold tight for two years is difficult to understand?
What part of there will be no Pac 2/12ths naming deal is difficult to understand?
In two years the most likely outcome is a merger between the Pac 2/12ths and the MWC without having either party need to pay exit fees or give up what they already have in hand.
Loyal is anxious. And refuses to realize that the bargain basement, discount rack TV deal the MWC has will still be around.
Don't count on them being around buddy. And pray tell just what better options will materialize for WSU in the meantime as we spend our nest egg with -0- return? Big-12? ACC? Ain't going to happen. And even if it did, and even if WSU got to have a full share of whatever money they will bring, we would still be woefully underfunded compared to all but maybe a few of their members and be flying all over the country in all sports.Loyal is anxious. And refuses to realize that the bargain basement, discount rack TV deal the MWC has will still be around.
I’m a business guy that works in the business world - not the public sector. The sponsorship will be worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If at all.Loyal is anxious. And refuses to realize that the bargain basement, discount rack TV deal the MWC has will still be around.
Now I see what you have been saying on the 2/12th notion. To clarify, my premise is that we reverse merge and seek naming rights for the new PacMtn-12/14, not the Pac-2. And to your point, I imagine that a Mtn West agreement would contain contingencies as you describe. But I will stick to my opinion that we and they are better off to come together NOW (as of July 1, 2025), and negotiate naming and media rights, and bowl affiliations, as a new and seemingly stable conference rather than limp into the picture when all of those birds have already flown. Contingencies or not.I’m a business guy that works in the business world - not the public sector. The sponsorship will be worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If at all.
Unless there’s some corporation whose brand is “we try harder”, there’s no compelling reason to spend marketing funds building a brand around something that may or may not be around in two years. Hence, no sponsor for the Pac Two-Twelfth Conference.
Whoever the MWC signs on with as their corporate sponsor may or may not score an affiliation with the New and Mountainous Pac-12 in a couple years, but certainly their negotiations would include contingencies and fees with or without WSU and OSU.
Let me be the very first one to propose a lucrative agreement for the new Pacific Mountain Dew Conference!I’m a business guy that works in the business world - not the public sector. The sponsorship will be worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If at all.
Unless there’s some corporation whose brand is “we try harder”, there’s no compelling reason to spend marketing funds building a brand around something that may or may not be around in two years. Hence, no sponsor for the Pac Two-Twelfth Conference.
Whoever the MWC signs on with as their corporate sponsor may or may not score an affiliation with the New and Mountainous Pac-12 in a couple years, but certainly their negotiations would include contingencies and fees with or without WSU and OSU.
Ok I like that one.Let me be the very first one to propose a lucrative agreement for the new Pacific Mountain Dew Conference!
And Loyal doesn't realize that WSU has a lame duck university president and interim AD.Don't count on them being around buddy. And pray tell just what better options will materialize for WSU in the meantime as we spend our nest egg with -0- return? Big-12? ACC? Ain't going to happen. And even if it did, and even if WSU got to have a full share of whatever money they will bring, we would still be woefully underfunded compared to all but maybe a few of their members and be flying all over the country in all sports.
And Loyal doesn't realize that WSU has a lame duck university president and interim AD.
Let me put it to you this way. There is a drunk gal at the end of the bar near closing time. She's there because she hasn't found someone to take her home, but it seems like a certainty. The catch is she's leaving now, with or without you. But, she'll be back tomorrow.Now I see what you have been saying on the 2/12th notion. To clarify, my premise is that we reverse merge and seek naming rights for the new PacMtn-12/14, not the Pac-2. And to your point, I imagine that a Mtn West agreement would contain contingencies as you describe. But I will stick to my opinion that we and they are better off to come together NOW (as of July 1, 2025), and negotiate naming and media rights, and bowl affiliations, as a new and seemingly stable conference rather than limp into the picture when all of those birds have already flown. Contingencies or not.
But I tire of this. I think I will step away from this debate and wait to see what happens. $10 sez I will re-engage on this topic in a year or two to say "I told you so" no matter what if any scenario transpires. And then heckle most of you mercilessly and endlessly. If on the very remote chance that the sky falls, hell freezes over, pigs fly out of my ass and WSU finds a Genie bottle on the beach in Hawaii on our road trip there in 2025, I will humbly concede that I was wrong and sitting on our asses frittering away money begging for scraps was indeed a masterful strategy.
That's nice. And then the new President cleans house, right?Brand X seems confident Dr. Schulz will make Mrs. McCoy the full-time AD before he rides off into the sunset
And Loyal doesn't realize that WSU has a lame duck university president and interim AD.
Dang it I was gonna stop commenting on this topic. Moth to flame.Let me put it to you this way. There is a drunk gal at the end of the bar near closing time. She's there because she hasn't found someone to take her home, but it seems like a certainty. The catch is she's leaving now, with or without you. But, she'll be back tomorrow.
On the other hand, the bartender just mentioned he heard at the wedding center down the street the groom got cold feet and bailed on the bride, and there might be a pack of single women including an emotionally fragile jilted bride on the way. Not certain, but maybe.
What's your play Loyal? Do you settle? Or hold out for something that may be much better?
BTW, zero percent chance the Pac is holding on to the Vegas bowl. Holiday, maybe.
This is actually a pretty appropriate scenario. You've got the drunk girl who was nobody's choice, but you know for sure is there and available. Or, you've got a secondhand rumor of dubious origin and with no supporting evidence that there might be a jilted bride who might be willing to slum it for the night.Let me put it to you this way. There is a drunk gal at the end of the bar near closing time. She's there because she hasn't found someone to take her home, but it seems like a certainty. The catch is she's leaving now, with or without you. But, she'll be back tomorrow.
On the other hand, the bartender just mentioned he heard at the wedding center down the street the groom got cold feet and bailed on the bride, and there might be a pack of single women including an emotionally fragile jilted bride on the way. Not certain, but maybe.
What's your play Loyal? Do you settle? Or hold out for something that may be much better?
BTW, zero percent chance the Pac is holding on to the Vegas bowl. Holiday, maybe.
I like your take on this 95. My only addition would be to say that if and as we continue to wrinkle our noses at the Mtn West and portray them as some undesirable 6-packer (I can explain to those who don't understand the term), they may very well just say F- you Pac-2, we are just fine the way we are. Or UNLV and SDSU get poached and they truly do become undesirable.This is actually a pretty appropriate scenario. You've got the drunk girl who was nobody's choice, but you know for sure is there and available. Or, you've got a secondhand rumor of dubious origin and with no supporting evidence that there might be a jilted bride who might be willing to slum it for the night.
So your options are to swallow your pride, close your eyes, and take the sure thing....or hold out to explore rumor and risk going home alone.
Pretty much exactly where we are.
I like your take on this 95. My only addition would be to say that if and as we continue to wrinkle our noses at the Mtn West and portray them as some undesirable 6-packer (I can explain to those who don't understand the term), they may very well just say F- you Pac-2, we are just fine the way we are. Or UNLV and SDSU get poached and they truly do become undesirable.
Hell almost all of their Athletics programs turned a breakeven or profit last year. CSU, SDSU, and soon to be Hawaii built or are building new stadiums. BSU and CSU are renovating theirs. All of which are similar in size to WSU's.
Is a 6-packer the same thing as a double bagger or a butter face? Inquiring minds want to know.I like your take on this 95. My only addition would be to say that if and as we continue to wrinkle our noses at the Mtn West and portray them as some undesirable 6-packer (I can explain to those who don't understand the term), they may very well just say F- you Pac-2, we are just fine the way we are. Or UNLV and SDSU get poached and they truly do become undesirable.
Hell almost all of their Athletics programs turned a breakeven or profit last year. CSU, SDSU, and soon to be Hawaii built or are building new stadiums. BSU and CSU are renovating theirs. All of which are similar in size to WSU's.
No way, Flat! Because colleges and universities NEVER have conversations behind the backs of the peer schools in their conference. Know what I mean, Vern?Is there a chance that WSU and OSU are having active conversations with a select number of MWC schools about the future and nobody knows about those conversations because nobody wants the outside world to know? A lot of your concerns are driven by the notion that WSU and OSU aren't doing anything and we don't know that to be the case. FWIW.....
I believe the term my generation used was beer goggles.Is a 6-packer the same thing as a double bagger or a butter face? Inquiring minds want to know.
I suppose there is a chance. I would rate it right up there with the chance that pigs will fly out of my ass here pretty soon. after all, the Mtn West was formed after a secret meeting between the 8-founding member occurred at an airport, gutting and ultimately destroying the WAC.Is there a chance that WSU and OSU are having active conversations with a select number of MWC schools about the future and nobody knows about those conversations because nobody wants the outside world to know? A lot of your concerns are driven by the notion that WSU and OSU aren't doing anything and we don't know that to be the case. FWIW.....