Conference realignment: when does the Pac-12 jump in?

[ttowncoug]

Feels like we need to be aggressive with making sure our future TV rights viability is in tact.

With the midwest schools in the Pac-12, would make it very appealing for the early game slots within Conference.

I also feel like it's moving towards some level of exclusivity with TV deals. Don't be surprised to learn that ESPN wants to exclusively showcase the SEC on it's networks on the next deal. And also don't be surprised if ESPN controls more of when the games are going to be on TV. (not this early season picking thing).

Rebrand to the Pac-West and leave the numbers off the branding.

The Pacific Western Athletic Conference. Maybe 20 teams. The old Pac-10 in a division. The new "Mid-10" in a division. Would create very, very interesting intraconference scheduling.

Utah, Colorado plus the remaining majority Big-12 into a division. (let WVU to go the ACC).

 

[dgibbons]

Feels like we need to be aggressive with making sure our future TV rights viability is in tact.

With the midwest schools in the Pac-12, would make it very appealing for the early game slots within Conference.

I also feel like it's moving towards some level of exclusivity with TV deals. Don't be surprised to learn that ESPN wants to showcase the SEC on it's networks on the next deal.

Rebrand to the Pac-West and leave the numbers off the branding.

The Pacific Western Athletic Conference. Maybe 20 teams. The old Pac-10 in a division. The new "Mid-10" in a division. Would create very, very interesting intraconference scheduling.

Utah, Colorado plus the remaining majority Big-12 into a division. (let WVU to go the ACC).

Houston, OK State, TT and a school to be named later. Baylor and TCU are not Tier 1 research institutions. I don't see Nebraska moving. ISU, K State and KU don't have much to offer.

So, does the Pac-12 drop the Tier 1 requirement, or invite in a school like UNLV? Make Oklahoma an offer it can't refuse?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Feels like we need to be aggressive with making sure our future TV rights viability is in tact.

With the midwest schools in the Pac-12, would make it very appealing for the early game slots within Conference.

I also feel like it's moving towards some level of exclusivity with TV deals. Don't be surprised to learn that ESPN wants to exclusively showcase the SEC on it's networks on the next deal. And also don't be surprised if ESPN controls more of when the games are going to be on TV. (not this early season picking thing).

Rebrand to the Pac-West and leave the numbers off the branding.

The Pacific Western Athletic Conference. Maybe 20 teams. The old Pac-10 in a division. The new "Mid-10" in a division. Would create very, very interesting intraconference scheduling.

Utah, Colorado plus the remaining majority Big-12 into a division. (let WVU to go the ACC).

The SEC and ESPN will be shocked at how little the rest of the country cares about the SEC if they make that their focus. I don't see that happening. Will they focus "more" on the SEC? Probably, but they are not going to abandon the rest of the country for the SEC.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Houston, OK State, TT and a school to be named later. Baylor and TCU are not Tier 1 research institutions. I don't see Nebraska moving. ISU, K State and KU don't have much to offer.

So, does the Pac-12 drop the Tier 1 requirement, or invite in a school like UNLV? Make Oklahoma an offer it can't refuse?

I think OKST, TT, Houston, and UNLV are a very likely grouping.

 

[dgibbons]

I think OKST, TT, Houston, and UNLV are a very likely grouping.

I'm warming to the idea of UNLV. Cements a growing TV market. Be nice if the football program didn't stink as bad as it's stunk.

Colorado State?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I'm warming to the idea of UNLV. Cements a growing TV market. Be nice if the football program didn't stink as bad as it's stunk.

I cannot envision a scenario where UNLV gets in. It's important to remember that a huge number of the people in Las Vegas are from the LA area and already root for the Trojans or the Bruins or another Pac-12 school. Rebel football is irrelevant in Las Vegas.

KSU, O-State, TCU and Texas Tech are all vastly more appealing than UNLV, SDSU or CSU. If any of those last three had any chance to be in the conference, it would have been seriously considered before. I keep seeing outsiders in the Midwest bring up Boise State and BYU as possible Pac-12 teams. NOPE. Not gonna happen.

If the conference expands, it's going to be with some kind of merger with the remnants of the Big 12.

 

[ttowncoug]

Rumor is TCU, TTU and Baylor have reached out to the Pac-12.

I also see a merger as a good idea because it creates a stable transition for the Big-12.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Feels like we need to be aggressive with making sure our future TV rights viability is in tact.

With the midwest schools in the Pac-12, would make it very appealing for the early game slots within Conference.

I also feel like it's moving towards some level of exclusivity with TV deals. Don't be surprised to learn that ESPN wants to exclusively showcase the SEC on it's networks on the next deal. And also don't be surprised if ESPN controls more of when the games are going to be on TV. (not this early season picking thing).

Rebrand to the Pac-West and leave the numbers off the branding.

The Pacific Western Athletic Conference. Maybe 20 teams. The old Pac-10 in a division. The new "Mid-10" in a division. Would create very, very interesting intraconference scheduling.

Utah, Colorado plus the remaining majority Big-12 into a division. (let WVU to go the ACC).

I prefer to call the east half of the conference the truckstop division.

 

[chipdouglas]

I prefer to call the east half of the conference the truckstop division.

Careful now, yes we've got Kum & Go but there's more

 

[CougEd]

Rumor is TCU, TTU and Baylor have reached out to the Pac-12.

I also see a merger as a good idea because it creates a stable transition for the Big-12.

Rick Neuheisel (sic) made a point the big 10 will reach out to the Pac 12 and siphon off nine teams . Unfortunately his conjecture was WSU would not be in high demand, nor would osu .

 

[mikalalas]

Rumor is TCU, TTU and Baylor have reached out to the Pac-12.

I also see a merger as a good idea because it creates a stable transition for the Big-12.

I think, if those teams have asked to join the Pac 12, that the Pac 12 would say yes to TCU, Texas Tech, but no to Baylor as a religous college that has lower academics.

Remember that Texas Tech would have joined the Pac 12, if other Big 12 teams would pair up with TT and go with TT as a pair to tbe Pac 12

None of the big 12 teams did that. Colorado didnt want to come with TT, so TT stayed.

This time its different, if Oklahoma, Texas goto SEC, Pac 12 will say yes to TT.

The reason why the Pac 12 hasnt asked TCU to join the Pac 12 in the past is that in tbe past, TCU was a WSU, Ore St type in the SWAC. When the SWAC died, with Texas, TT, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc, formed the Big 12, TCU was left out, and had to join a Group of 5 mid major conference like the Mountain West.

So of course the Pac 12 would not want a WSU, Ore St type mountain west type, mid major TCU.

But now things have changed for TCU.

Its in a big Metro. Lots of TV viewership, fans. Its now in the Big 12. It had semi recently become a STRONG Football program, going to a lot of bowl games, and even some NY6 bowl games. They were ranked so highly at one point, there was a chance that they might have made it to #2 and played for a Natty.

They also have had a Strong Bball program.

And while not tbe best academics, not bad either academically.

Certainly tbey are a better choice then the joke ASU was back in the day when tbey joined the Pac 8/10

If Oklahoma, Texas goto SEC, and if TCU ask to join Pac 12 again, Pac 12 will probably say yes to TCU.

Oklahoma St with their Oregon like money, and their fans, viewership, strength of their program, geographic location, etc, would also be either said yes to if they asked, or pursued by Pac 12.

Remember if Oklahoma, or Texas, had paired up with Ok St, the last time, when Colorado went to the Pac 12, then Ok St would already be in the Pac 12.

KSU is also a good candidate. They are NOW a good football program because of Snyder's good long run at KSU. and their Geographic location is not bad either, and they are a Land Grant, Agricultural College and a official STATE college with semi ok, semi solid, non joke(Non BSU)(Non ASU), academics.

So KSU, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU would be excellent possible candidates, IF Oklahoma went to SEC.

Also Pac 12 doesnt want Oklahoma, Texas, etc, even if they think they do, because tbere is such a thing as making your conference too tough, and beating each otber up too much and out of NY6 bowls, playoffs, etc.

I think that if Oklahoma or Texas goes to either SEC, Big 10, or even Pac 12, that whicher of those 3 conferences got them, those 2, that the resulting new conference structure would make that conference too tough, and would beat each other too much, and out of NY6 bowls, and playoffs.

There is such a thing as going after a too weak of a team and going after too many too tough teams.

Better to get a moderate semi tough, middle between weak and tough P5 teams from the Big 12.

And Ok St, KSU, TCU, Texas Tech fit that perfectly.

 

[Fab5Coug]

I cannot envision a scenario where UNLV gets in. It's important to remember that a huge number of the people in Las Vegas are from the LA area and already root for the Trojans or the Bruins or another Pac-12 school. Rebel football is irrelevant in Las Vegas.

KSU, O-State, TCU and Texas Tech are all vastly more appealing than UNLV, SDSU or CSU. If any of those last three had any chance to be in the conference, it would have been seriously considered before. I keep seeing outsiders in the Midwest bring up Boise State and BYU as possible Pac-12 teams. NOPE. Not gonna happen.

If the conference expands, it's going to be with some kind of merger with the remnants of the Big 12.

Curious why you think it’s a hard no on BYU? Would be a natural rival for Utah and there’s 6.5M Mormons in the US. Is it just the religious affiliation?

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Curious why you think it’s a hard no on BYU? Would be a natural rival for Utah and there’s 6.5M Mormons in the US. Is it just the religious affiliation?

They're a R2 Institution.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Houston, OK State, TT and a school to be named later. Baylor and TCU are not Tier 1 research institutions. I don't see Nebraska moving. ISU, K State and KU don't have much to offer.

So, does the Pac-12 drop the Tier 1 requirement, or invite in a school like UNLV? Make Oklahoma an offer it can't refuse?

I haven’t looked in a while. Are Ok St & TTU Tier 1? I know UH is.

I think Stanford is just going to have to plug their noses on this expansion

 

[mikalalas]

I think, if those teams have asked to join the Pac 12, that the Pac 12 would say yes to TCU, Texas Tech, but no to Baylor as a religous college that has lower academics.

Remember that Texas Tech would have joined the Pac 12, if other Big 12 teams would pair up with TT and go with TT as a pair to tbe Pac 12

None of the big 12 teams did that. Colorado didnt want to come with TT, so TT stayed.

This time its different, if Oklahoma, Texas goto SEC, Pac 12 will say yes to TT.

The reason why the Pac 12 hasnt asked TCU to join the Pac 12 in the past is that in tbe past, TCU was a WSU, Ore St type in the SWAC. When the SWAC died, with Texas, TT, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc, formed the Big 12, TCU was left out, and had to join a Group of 5 mid major conference like the Mountain West.

So of course the Pac 12 would not want a WSU, Ore St type mountain west type, mid major TCU.

But now things have changed for TCU.

Its in a big Metro. Lots of TV viewership, fans. Its now in the Big 12. It had semi recently become a STRONG Football program, going to a lot of bowl games, and even some NY6 bowl games. They were ranked so highly at one point, there was a chance that they might have made it to #2 and played for a Natty.

They also have had a Strong Bball program.

And while not tbe best academics, not bad either academically.

Certainly tbey are a better choice then the joke ASU was back in the day when tbey joined the Pac 8/10

If Oklahoma, Texas goto SEC, and if TCU ask to join Pac 12 again, Pac 12 will probably say yes to TCU.

Oklahoma St with their Oregon like money, and their fans, viewership, strength of their program, geographic location, etc, would also be either said yes to if they asked, or pursued by Pac 12.

Remember if Oklahoma, or Texas, had paired up with Ok St, the last time, when Colorado went to the Pac 12, then Ok St would already be in the Pac 12.

KSU is also a good candidate. They are NOW a good football program because of Snyder's good long run at KSU. and their Geographic location is not bad either, and they are a Land Grant, Agricultural College and a official STATE college with semi ok, semi solid, non joke(Non BSU)(Non ASU), academics.

So KSU, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU would be excellent possible candidates, IF Oklahoma went to SEC.

Also Pac 12 doesnt want Oklahoma, Texas, etc, even if they think they do, because tbere is such a thing as making your conference too tough, and beating each otber up too much and out of NY6 bowls, playoffs, etc.

I think that if Oklahoma or Texas goes to either SEC, Big 10, or even Pac 12, that whicher of those 3 conferences got them, those 2, that the resulting new conference structure would make that conference too tough, and would beat each other too much, and out of NY6 bowls, and playoffs.

There is such a thing as going after a too weak of a team and going after too many too tough teams.

Better to get a moderate semi tough, middle between weak and tough P5 teams from the Big 12.

And Ok St, KSU, TCU, Texas Tech fit that perfectly.

Also if the Pac 12 wants to go after Oklahoma, I could see Oklahoma saying yes to the Pac 12. Oklahoma wants to leave the Big 12, or else they wouldnt have asked the SEC.

Oklahoma is a better fit geographically for the Pac 12 then the SEC.

Pac 12 has less teams at 12 then the SEC at 14 which means less too tough competition for Oklahoma.

Oklahoma would be a bigger fish, dog in the Pac 12 then in the SEC.

Oklahoma wouldnt get beat all the time by Bama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn in Football and Kentucky in Bball, if it was in the Pac 12 instead of SEC.

And in tbe Big 10 Oklahoma would have to worry about Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame if it joins the Big 10, Wisconsin, Nebraska

Oklahoma would not be worried about Oregon, USC, UCLA, etc, at all if it was in the Pac 12.

The Pac 12 is tbe best fit for Oklahoma, out of Big 10, SEC, Pac 12.

So if Pac 12 were to try to get oklahoma, it woukdnt be bad, and I think Oklahoma would say yes to the Pac 12 over the SEC.

But if the Pac 12 does not try to get Oklahoma, then I think the SEC says yes to Oklahoma and Texas asking to join the SEC lime they have done.

 

[Fab5Coug]

They're a R2 Institution.

It’s gonna be tough to get to 16, 18, 20 teams holding onto that requirement

 

[CougSinceBirth]

I haven’t looked in a while. Are Ok St & TTU Tier 1? I know UH is.

I think Stanford is just going to have to plug their noses on this expansion

As of 2018, both OKST and TTU are T1. I think OK State recently joined...

https://cehd.gmu.edu/assets/docs/faculty/tenurepromotion/institutions-research-categories.pdf

 

[dgibbons]

I haven’t looked in a while. Are Ok St & TTU Tier 1? I know UH is.

I think Stanford is just going to have to plug their noses on this expansion

Yes.

 

[mikalalas]

They're a R2 Institution.

That probably TECHNICALLY true.

But after Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, UW(If I wasnt a WSU fan), WSU(Awesome research, projects program, and now medical science program), Gonzaga(Awesome Law, science, Medical programs, if I couldnt goto those colleges, BYU would be next on my list Academic list.

As long as your not a in stater, mormon, its extremely tough academically to get into BYU.

You have to have about a 3.5 to 3.75 to 4.0 GPA in Highschool. You have to have high test scores, and have taken the right good classes in highschool.

Then like the militiary academies, you must have extremely high quality academic recommendations, etc.

I would say that about only stanford, Cal, Harvard, MIT, UCLA, etc, are harder to get into AS A OUT OF STATER, NON MORMON, INCOMMING COLLEGE FRESHMEN.

For that demographic, BYU is in the about Top 8 to 13 to 17 toughest academic colleges to get into in the western USA.

Now if your a JC transfer, its easier but not too easy to get into it.

Also Rudy, from the movie tbat went to Notre Dame, who got about a 2.75 GPA in Highschool, and didnt have even ok test scores, and that altho struggled to get into, still got into Notre Dame, if he was a Mormon, he still wouldnt have gotten into BYU, even with a JC transfer, recommendations, etc.

BYU is the Elite flagship college of the LDS Church. And their saying is "The Glory of God is EDUCATION"

ELITE EDUCATION is EVERYTHING to the Church and its members.

And they dont have 10 to 100 colleges like the Catholics, etc, to spread their focus.

All they have is BYU Utah, BYU Extension College Idaho. BYU extension college Hawai. All 3 are part of the one college that is BYU. They are not 3 different colleges. And LDS Business College. Thats it.

And they have one of the bigger science, medical budgets. And they do research, projects, and they have made discoveries and have served the world with tneir science, medicine, discoveries, research, etc.

Oh and forgot they also have a extension college called BYU Jerusalem in Israel in the middle east on the other side of the world.

So altho BYU is TECHNICALLY not a TIER 1 research college, BYU is EXTREMELY close to being a Tier 1 research, academic college with better academics then Ore St, ASU, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, that are in tbe Pac 12.

The only reason why the Pac 12 would say no to BYU is that its a Religous college, and the misperceptions, anti mormon, etc, out there. If it wasnt for that, Pac 12 would say yes to BYU.

The BYU is not a Tier 1 research academic college is the politically correct, BS excuse so that they dont have to say its because its a religous college.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Careful now, yes we've got Kum & Go but there's more

I was quoting bill walton on the Big12. Are those Colorado and Utah? I was referring to West Texas, Kansas, Iowa…..

 

[SDCoug]

Tier 1 with a map. Not many good options in the west.

List of research universities in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Curious why you think it’s a hard no on BYU? Would be a natural rival for Utah and there’s 6.5M Mormons in the US. Is it just the religious affiliation?

If BYU was ever going to be on the radar....wouldn't they already be in the conversation by now? BYU will be in serious consideration once they realize that God doesn't care if you compete on Sunday.

 

[mikalalas]

If BYU was ever going to be on the radar....wouldn't they already be in the conversation by now? BYU will be in serious consideration once they realize that God doesn't care if you compete on Sunday.

There was rumors, talk that BYU would go from the Mountain West conference to the Big 12.

But BYU nixed that, by going independent.

BYU should not have gone independent. It was a big mistake.

If BYU had been in the Mountain West at the time that Nebraska, Colorado, A&M had left the Big 12, then there would have been a pretty good chance that BYU would have joined the Big 12, if BYU wanted to, because Big 12, probably would have said yes to that. And it would have been good for both tbe Big 12 and BYU, and the Big 12 might not have gone terminally ill and dying.

Imagine what the Big 12 would have been if they had:

Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, KSU, Kansas, TCU, BYU, Iowa St, Oklahom St, BSU, Houston, Airforce, etc.

Even Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Baylor, KSU, Kansas, Iowa St, TCU, BYU, BSU, Houston, Airforce, 1 other, would be one awesome, good conference.

Both BYU, Big 12 made a mistake.

Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, made, built the Big 12, ad Texas destroyed it by making Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M want to leave and leave.

Then Texas and Oklahoma dont want to carry the conference anymore, so they want to leave, and thats the death of the conference.

Good example for the ACC, Pac 12 to learn from.

Cant make too many mistakes, stagnate, not adapt, not change, be too stubborn, or else you end up like the once mighty, but now fallen, Big 12, and like the Big East, etc.

 

[mikalalas]

There was rumors, talk that BYU would go from the Mountain West conference to the Big 12.

But BYU nixed that, by going independent.

BYU should not have gone independent. It was a big mistake.

If BYU had been in the Mountain West at the time that Nebraska, Colorado, A&M had left the Big 12, then there would have been a pretty good chance that BYU would have joined the Big 12, if BYU wanted to, because Big 12, probably would have said yes to that. And it would have been good for both tbe Big 12 and BYU, and the Big 12 might not have gone terminally ill and dying.

Imagine what the Big 12 would have been if they had:

Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, KSU, Kansas, TCU, BYU, Iowa St, Oklahom St, BSU, Houston, Airforce, etc.

Even Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Baylor, KSU, Kansas, Iowa St, TCU, BYU, BSU, Houston, Airforce, 1 other, would be one awesome, good conference.

Both BYU, Big 12 made a mistake.

Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, made, built the Big 12, ad Texas destroyed it by making Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M want to leave and leave.

Then Texas and Oklahoma dont want to carry the conference anymore, so they want to leave, and thats the death of the conference.

Good example for the ACC, Pac 12 to learn from.

Cant make too many mistakes, stagnate, not adapt, not change, be too stubborn, or else you end up like the once mighty, but now fallen, Big 12, and like the Big East, etc.

Also the only thing saving the Pac 12 from the Big East's, and Big 12's fate, is the Pac 12's GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION.

Still if the Pac 12 is not careful the other conferences could vote to relegate, change the Pac 12 into a Mountain west like, group of 5, non P5, P4, P3, mid major conference.

Dont think that would ever happen, but its still a tbeoretical 1% theoretical possibility, and the Big East, Big 12 probably thought that it couldnt happen to them.

 

[Fab5Coug]

If BYU was ever going to be on the radar....wouldn't they already be in the conversation by now? BYU will be in serious consideration once they realize that God doesn't care if you compete on Sunday.

Well, the Pac10/12 could afford to be picky when everyone else was sticking with 12/14 team conferences. With the SEC gobbling up teams and apparently trying to get to 20, the B1G will probably follow suit. The Pac can either remain very picky and maybe go to 14, or plug their noses and follow suit.

 

[CougEd]

Well, the Pac10/12 could afford to be picky when everyone else was sticking with 12/14 team conferences. With the SEC gobbling up teams and apparently trying to get to 20, the B1G will probably follow suit. The Pac can either remain very picky and maybe go to 14, or plug their noses and follow suit.

What are the chances the Big 10 and Pac 12 combine. To rival sec ?

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I cannot envision a scenario where UNLV gets in. It's important to remember that a huge number of the people in Las Vegas are from the LA area and already root for the Trojans or the Bruins or another Pac-12 school. Rebel football is irrelevant in Las Vegas.

KSU, O-State, TCU and Texas Tech are all vastly more appealing than UNLV, SDSU or CSU. If any of those last three had any chance to be in the conference, it would have been seriously considered before. I keep seeing outsiders in the Midwest bring up Boise State and BYU as possible Pac-12 teams. NOPE. Not gonna happen.

If the conference expands, it's going to be with some kind of merger with the remnants of the Big 12.

If showing Bama et al 24-7 nets them more than mixing in some P12/ACC/B12/B10, then you bet your ass they'll sell out to the SEC. There are HUGE dollars to be made from suckling at the teat of the SEC gods, and without doing the math I would bet that the margin of difference between only showing SEC and mixing in other stuff isn't that much.

 

[COUGinNCW]

What are the chances the Big 10 and Pac 12 combine. To rival sec ?

Call it the BigPackage. Appeal to the female viewers.