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After taking full responsibility for screwing the pooch on this hire, Pat Chun growled, we will endeavor to hire a coach with an "authentic commitment" to WSU.

Yeah, I know some of you will say that Rolo had that "commitment," you can't expect a man to get vaccinated if he really, really, doesn't want to -- commitment has it limits. Joking aside, Rolo actions showed 100% commitment to only himself, and zero commitment to the team, his staff, the university and the Cougar nation. If you aren't willing to suck it up, to do what you would rather not, and get vaccinated for the good of the Cougs, you aren't worthy of coaching these kids.

Let's not forget what true commitment is, and what commitment we have witnessed. Commitment is Rosie, broken rib and all, unable to raise his arm to throw, running a draw play, diving for the goal line against the Dawgs for the winning score, taking a hit and being unable to stand upright thereafter due to the intense pain. Commitment is Gesser, barely able to walk, let alone jog or run, sucking it up, playing and beating UCLA on one leg to go to the Rose Bowl. Commitment is Connor Halliday playing more than a half against Utah with a lacerated F-ing liver. Now compare that to Rolo's "commitment" to WSU. It is like comparing someone willing to jump on a hand grenade to save his mates, to someone reticent about chipping a nail after a manicure.

As for all of you who want to blame the "overreach" of state government for creating this mess. Sorry. President Schultz made it clear that WSU had a mandate in place first, and that WSU is "unequivocally pro vaccine," pointing out that the mandate is primarily responsible for having only 7 Covid cases in a student facility population of 25,000. If acceptance of an anti vax, anti mandate view point is your litmus test for your support for WSU, it is time to move on. President Schultz, a chemical engineering Ph.D., pointed out that WSU is research university and any other position would be antithetically. Magical, irrational self centered thinking ain't what WSU stands for or supports, my words, not his.

It is time to "buy in or leave." The sad fact is Rolo had as much commitment to WSU as Vidkun Quisling had to Norway.

I'm calling WSU tomorrow to increase my contribution by $1000.
 
After taking full responsibility for screwing the pooch on this hire, Pat Chun growled, we will endeavor to hire a coach with an "authentic commitment" to WSU.

Yeah, I know some of you will say that Rolo had that "commitment," you can't expect a man to get vaccinated if he really, really, doesn't want to -- commitment has it limits. Joking aside, Rolo actions showed 100% commitment to only himself, and zero commitment to the team, his staff, the university and the Cougar nation. If you aren't willing to suck it up, to do what you would rather not, and get vaccinated for the good of the Cougs, you aren't worthy of coaching these kids.

Let's not forget what true commitment is, and what commitment we have witnessed. Commitment is Rosie, broken rib and all, unable to raise his arm to throw, running a draw play, diving for the goal line against the Dawgs for the winning score, taking a hit and being unable to stand upright thereafter due to the intense pain. Commitment is Gesser, barely able to walk, let alone jog or run, sucking it up, playing and beating UCLA on one leg to go to the Rose Bowl. Commitment is Connor Halliday playing more than a half against Utah with a lacerated F-ing liver. Now compare that to Rolo's "commitment" to WSU. It is like comparing someone willing to jump on a hand grenade to save his mates, to someone reticent about chipping a nail after a manicure.

As for all of you who want to blame the "overreach" of state government for creating this mess. Sorry. President Schultz made it clear that WSU had a mandate in place first, and that WSU is "unequivocally pro vaccine," pointing out that the mandate is primarily responsible for having only 7 Covid cases in a student facility population of 25,000. If acceptance of an anti vax, anti mandate view point is your litmus test for your support for WSU, it is time to move on. President Schultz, a chemical engineering Ph.D., pointed out that WSU is research university and any other position would be antithetically. Magical, irrational self centered thinking ain't what WSU stands for or supports, my words, not his.

It is time to "buy in or leave." The sad fact is Rolo had as much commitment to WSU as Vidkun Quisling had to Norway.

I'm calling WSU tomorrow to increase my contribution by $1000.
Rosie showed no leadership or commitment at all. Didn't go to class and wouldn't recruit as coach.

You cite Schulz (no T ain't it obvious?) engineering credentials when he showed no leadership during the Robert Barber SCB fiasco. Another technocrat who skipped the humanities. Engineers make horrible leaders of people.

He was a good engineer in the sense he hired an outsider to write CYA report on the Robert Barber SCB case.
 
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The precarious state of our individual rights and liberties rest on the shoulders of one person, or 50 in total one for each state. Rolo gets fired in Washington for something that he couldn't here in Florida where I am. As for me, I have had the jab but that was my choice as it should have been Rolo's either way. This is going to court boys (it should be anyway). If it does, I hope coach cleans WSUs clock and by extension the state of Washington. "Just following orders" is not an excuse.
 
He was being tested everyday and wearing a mask outside for Gosh sakes. Chun needs to go. Hogg family isn't happy. Many local farmers aren't either. The pro Seattle game crowd might be happy and the California Cougs might be....but WSU is located in Eastern Washington. Very different sentiment there tonight.
The unhappy donors are barking up the wrong tree. I get it, there’s emotion involved, it just happened. But there really wasn’t a choice to be made when it came to the university…if you’re pissed off take it to Olympia. Without the states involvement he’s still coaching today.
 
"the mandate is primarily responsible for having only 7 Covid cases in a student facility population of 25,000."

These are the types of data points that drive me crazy. Official Covid cases are a direct result of how much testing you are doing....period. I work in a manufacturing environment that never shut down. I have kids that have attended school throughout the pandemic (except Spring 2020; I live outside of WA). The rules in both locations are 1) if you are vaccinated, you don't have to test and 2) if you are wearing a mask, you don't have to test. In both work and school, when masks were removed and testing was performed daily, cases spiked (with no symptoms). In young populations especially (like WSU), most cases are mild / asymptomatic. Don't know what the rules are for testing at WSU but I'm sure since there is a 100% vaccine mandate it is only being done when someone shows up at the hospital saying they are sick. Or for the few that are known to not be vaccinated. Bottom line, it's a meaningless stat.

I am a Covid survivor. Still had strong antibody counts in August (per tests) prior to getting vaccinated to keep my job. We need to stop with the anti-vaxxer, tin foil hat name calling. The way this mandate is being rolled out is lazy and ignores a lot of logical data and science.
 
Rosie showed no leadership or commitment at all. Didn't go to class and wouldn't recruit as coach.

You cite Schulz (no T ain't it obvious?) engineering credentials when he showed no leadership during the Robert Barber SCB fiasco. Another technocrat who skipped the humanities. Engineers make horrible leaders of people.

He was a good engineer in the sense he hired an outsider to write CYA report on the Robert Barber SCB case.
I suggest that the Cougar Nation is not for you. Bad mouthing one of the greatest players is school history, really? To quote, Robert Welch when confronting Joseph McCarthy, a demagogue like you, "have you no sense of decency?" Sadly, no.
 
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I haven't really seen this talked about:

Have we had any issues with Covid under the status quo this season?

The punishment doesn't fit the crime here.

With that said, I wish he would have gotten the jab.

I would much rather go that route than have a rod shoved up my beak every damn day
 
"the mandate is primarily responsible for having only 7 Covid cases in a student facility population of 25,000."

These are the types of data points that drive me crazy. Official Covid cases are a direct result of how much testing you are doing....period. I work in a manufacturing environment that never shut down. I have kids that have attended school throughout the pandemic (except Spring 2020; I live outside of WA). The rules in both locations are 1) if you are vaccinated, you don't have to test and 2) if you are wearing a mask, you don't have to test. In both work and school, when masks were removed and testing was performed daily, cases spiked (with no symptoms). In young populations especially (like WSU), most cases are mild / asymptomatic. Don't know what the rules are for testing at WSU but I'm sure since there is a 100% vaccine mandate it is only being done when someone shows up at the hospital saying they are sick. Or for the few that are known to not be vaccinated. Bottom line, it's a meaningless stat.

I am a Covid survivor. Still had strong antibody counts in August (per tests) prior to getting vaccinated to keep my job. We need to stop with the anti-vaxxer, tin foil hat name calling. The way this mandate is being rolled out is lazy and ignores a lot of logical data and science.
Agree, hospitalizations and deaths are really the only meaningful stats and even there, there is some gray area.
 
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The precarious state of our individual rights and liberties rest on the shoulders of one person, or 50 in total one for each state. Rolo gets fired in Washington for something that he couldn't here in Florida where I am. As for me, I have had the jab but that was my choice as it should have been Rolo's either way. This is going to court boys (it should be anyway). If it does, I hope coach cleans WSUs clock and by extension the state of Washington. "Just following orders" is not an excuse.
Honestly, you conflate a privilege, with "rights and liberties." Had Rolo been compelled to be vaccinated under threat of imprisonment, it would be an affront to his "rights and liberties." Working and being paid 3 million as a Power-5 head football is a privilege. He had no right to be the head WSU football coach, no more than he has a right to fly commercially, or drive a car. Privileges come with obligations, submitting to a intrusive search, demonstrating proficiency and obeying the motor code. His privilege came with the obligation to get vaccinated.
If you believe that a job should be a right, like in France, blame republicans, who have fought tooth and nail to prevent it. Because we all know that Washington democrats would love to bestow "the right to work" and cream their undies while doing it.
 
"the mandate is primarily responsible for having only 7 Covid cases in a student facility population of 25,000."

These are the types of data points that drive me crazy. Official Covid cases are a direct result of how much testing you are doing....period. I work in a manufacturing environment that never shut down. I have kids that have attended school throughout the pandemic (except Spring 2020; I live outside of WA). The rules in both locations are 1) if you are vaccinated, you don't have to test and 2) if you are wearing a mask, you don't have to test. In both work and school, when masks were removed and testing was performed daily, cases spiked (with no symptoms). In young populations especially (like WSU), most cases are mild / asymptomatic. Don't know what the rules are for testing at WSU but I'm sure since there is a 100% vaccine mandate it is only being done when someone shows up at the hospital saying they are sick. Or for the few that are known to not be vaccinated. Bottom line, it's a meaningless stat.

I am a Covid survivor. Still had strong antibody counts in August (per tests) prior to getting vaccinated to keep my job. We need to stop with the anti-vaxxer, tin foil hat name calling. The way this mandate is being rolled out is lazy and ignores a lot of logical data and science.

Having two kids in school right now, while it is only anecdotal college students get the free covid test at the drop of a hat. Scratching throat, get a test. Congested, get a test. They understand more than we do what happens if there is a severe outbreak and school is shut down or they go back to online.

I would suspect after this weekend we will find either more cases in Pullman or more cases where their parents reside.

But if any of the seven cases on campus happened in the dorm, frat or sorority the whole dorm or house has to get tested.
 
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"the mandate is primarily responsible for having only 7 Covid cases in a student facility population of 25,000."

These are the types of data points that drive me crazy. Official Covid cases are a direct result of how much testing you are doing....period. I work in a manufacturing environment that never shut down. I have kids that have attended school throughout the pandemic (except Spring 2020; I live outside of WA). The rules in both locations are 1) if you are vaccinated, you don't have to test and 2) if you are wearing a mask, you don't have to test. In both work and school, when masks were removed and testing was performed daily, cases spiked (with no symptoms). In young populations especially (like WSU), most cases are mild / asymptomatic. Don't know what the rules are for testing at WSU but I'm sure since there is a 100% vaccine mandate it is only being done when someone shows up at the hospital saying they are sick. Or for the few that are known to not be vaccinated. Bottom line, it's a meaningless stat.

I am a Covid survivor. Still had strong antibody counts in August (per tests) prior to getting vaccinated to keep my job. We need to stop with the anti-vaxxer, tin foil hat name calling. The way this mandate is being rolled out is lazy and ignores a lot of logical data and science.
Whaaaaaaat? The more you test, the more positive results you'll get? What is this voodoo you speak of? How have I never heard this from Fauci PBUH, or Joy Behar, or John Oliver?

Go back to the hole from whence you came, you cretin!
 
If you believe that a job should be a right, like in France, blame republicans, who have fought tooth and nail to prevent it. Because we all know that Washington democrats would love to bestow "the right to work" and cream their undies while doing it.
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I suggest that the Cougar Nation is not for you. Bad mouthing one of the greatest players is school history, really? To quote, Robert Welch when confronting Joseph McCarthy, a demagogue like you, "have you no sense of decency?" Sadly, no.
Rosie had a ton of issues following the death of his father.

He's come back quite well from them - and that should be acknowledged. But to deny the past is like saying Ryan Leaf didn't go to prison or was hooked on drugs. The fact is, he did and was.

Bouncing back from adversity and overcoming the odds is what it REALLY means to be a Coug no matter how highly paid university employees may wish to define the word.
 
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Having two kids in school right now, while it is only anecdotal college students get the free covid test at the drop of a hat. Scratching throat, get a test. Congested, get a test. They understand more than we do what happens if there is a severe outbreak and school is shut down or they go back to online.

I would suspect after this weekend we will find either more cases in Pullman or more cases where their parents reside.

But if any of the seven cases on campus happened in the dorm, frat or sorority the whole dorm or house has to get tested.
Why would they be testing vaccinated people in the dorm, frat or sorority? Doesn't the vaccine work? Do vaccinated people have to quarantine if they test positive? Seriously, we need to draw some logical lines based on risks we can accept somewhere or we will be living under Covid protocols endlessly. Seems like we're looking for reasons to not go back to any kind of a normal life to me.
 
He was being tested everyday and wearing a mask outside for Gosh sakes. Chun needs to go. Hogg family isn't happy. Many local farmers aren't either. The pro Seattle game crowd might be happy and the California Cougs might be....but WSU is located in Eastern Washington. Very different sentiment there tonight.
What can a say. Are you advocating for special treatment for a select few? I would agree that Chun probably deserves to be canned for this mess. I hope he manned up and offered to resign. I don't believe that there weren't warning signs, as Chun intimated. Leach is/was described as quirky too. But we had no delusion that we weren't playing with fire, but we took that risk, needed to. Quirky means unpredictable, we just got burnt big time by it, this time around. This time around the program was in far better, there was no need take such the risk. That all on Chun.
 
Why would they be testing vaccinated people in the dorm, frat or sorority? Doesn't the vaccine work? Do vaccinated people have to quarantine if they test positive? Seriously, we need to draw some logical lines based on risks we can accept somewhere or we will be living under Covid protocols endlessly. Seems like we're looking for reasons to not go back to any kind of a normal life to me.
Yeah, but what if there's a breakthrough case and then that one person spreads it to... wait, but everyone on campus is vaccinated, because of mandate, right? So everyone can get a breakthrough case? Because science is what a politician says is right, right?

How can one vaccinated person give it to another vaccinated person, again?
 
Yeah, but what if there's a breakthrough case and then that one person spreads it to... wait, but everyone on campus is vaccinated, because of mandate, right? So everyone can get a breakthrough case? Because science is what a politician says is right, right?

How can one vaccinated person give it to another vaccinated person, again?
Did your dad not have 'the talk' with you?
 
Bingo, Bostoncoug....never let a good crisis go to waste! Let's force everyone into a life under perpetual emergency. Live life under perpetual dictat, no specific guidelines under which normal life can resume.
That is the basis of the Democrat platform. Fear is how they get elected.... Fear of white supremacy, fear of losing government benefits, fear of climate change... "Elect me and I will fight for you". Democrats, now the Progressive party (insert vomit emoji here), have no real policy to point to that actually improves the lives of their constituents. The disparity of poverty and upper class grows with ever goal post shifting narrative these progressive lefties spout.
 
Why would they be testing vaccinated people in the dorm, frat or sorority? Doesn't the vaccine work? Do vaccinated people have to quarantine if they test positive? Seriously, we need to draw some logical lines based on risks we can accept somewhere or we will be living under Covid protocols endlessly. Seems like we're looking for reasons to not go back to any kind of a normal life to me.
Because it is not 100%. There are break through cases. When new data comes out my guess the 10% number of breakthroughs with the variant will be higher, probably 25-30%.
 
After taking full responsibility for screwing the pooch on this hire, Pat Chun growled, we will endeavor to hire a coach with an "authentic commitment" to WSU.

Yeah, I know some of you will say that Rolo had that "commitment," you can't expect a man to get vaccinated if he really, really, doesn't want to -- commitment has it limits. Joking aside, Rolo actions showed 100% commitment to only himself, and zero commitment to the team, his staff, the university and the Cougar nation. If you aren't willing to suck it up, to do what you would rather not, and get vaccinated for the good of the Cougs, you aren't worthy of coaching these kids.

Let's not forget what true commitment is, and what commitment we have witnessed. Commitment is Rosie, broken rib and all, unable to raise his arm to throw, running a draw play, diving for the goal line against the Dawgs for the winning score, taking a hit and being unable to stand upright thereafter due to the intense pain. Commitment is Gesser, barely able to walk, let alone jog or run, sucking it up, playing and beating UCLA on one leg to go to the Rose Bowl. Commitment is Connor Halliday playing more than a half against Utah with a lacerated F-ing liver. Now compare that to Rolo's "commitment" to WSU. It is like comparing someone willing to jump on a hand grenade to save his mates, to someone reticent about chipping a nail after a manicure.

As for all of you who want to blame the "overreach" of state government for creating this mess. Sorry. President Schultz made it clear that WSU had a mandate in place first, and that WSU is "unequivocally pro vaccine," pointing out that the mandate is primarily responsible for having only 7 Covid cases in a student facility population of 25,000. If acceptance of an anti vax, anti mandate view point is your litmus test for your support for WSU, it is time to move on. President Schultz, a chemical engineering Ph.D., pointed out that WSU is research university and any other position would be antithetically. Magical, irrational self centered thinking ain't what WSU stands for or supports, my words, not his.

It is time to "buy in or leave." The sad fact is Rolo had as much commitment to WSU as Vidkun Quisling had to Norway.

I'm calling WSU tomorrow to increase my contribution by $1000.
Well, as far as I can tell Washington is the only state that mandates all state workers be vaccinated without a testing alternative. Spin doctoring aside, commitment is a two way street. Commitment is also being committed to your employees, even if you have disagreements with them. Was Rolovich some kind of existential threat considering he was getting tested periodically. I'd rather breath his air then air coming out of Schulz, Chun or Inslee.
 
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Rosie had a ton of issues following the death of his father.

He's come back quite well from them - and that should be acknowledged. But to deny the past is like saying Ryan Leaf didn't go to prison or was hooked on drugs. The fact is, he did and was.

Bouncing back from adversity and overcoming the odds is what it REALLY means to be a Coug no matter how highly paid university employees may wish to define the word.
The three players I identified, all had personal demons as you know. Gesser, in particular, what a utter disappoint. But the one thing you can't say about them is that weren't whole heartedly committed to their team. These guys played when they clearly shouldn't have, their commitment ran that deep. Leaf too. Injuries Rosie and Leaf sustained as Cougs cost them millions in the NFL. Let's not forget Gesser came to WSU as a de Laura type, too elusive our DLs were crying foul and left reduced to a immobile pocket passer he was so beat to sh*t.

You may disagree, but I believe that bad mouthing any of them in favor of an utter douche bag, who clearly didn't give a crap, is unconscionable. That is what FnuLnu did.
 
Honestly, you conflate a privilege, with "rights and liberties." Had Rolo been compelled to be vaccinated under threat of imprisonment, it would be an affront to his "rights and liberties." Working and being paid 3 million as a Power-5 head football is a privilege. He had no right to be the head WSU football coach, no more than he has a right to fly commercially, or drive a car. Privileges come with obligations, submitting to a intrusive search, demonstrating proficiency and obeying the motor code. His privilege came with the obligation to get vaccinated.
If you believe that a job should be a right, like in France, blame republicans, who have fought tooth and nail to prevent it. Because we all know that Washington democrats would love to bestow "the right to work" and cream their undies while doing it.
There is a property right in employment, especially when you're employed by the state.
 
he told me there were birds and bees, there were birds who identify as bees, bees who identify as birds, bees who like bees, birds who like birds, bees who like birds and bees, and birds who like bees and birds.
Two young coeds sitting in a tree
Kissing
First comes covid, then comes immunity, then comes mandated vaccines in a baby carriage.
 
Whaaaaaaat? The more you test, the more positive results you'll get? What is this voodoo you speak of? How have I never heard this from Fauci PBUH, or Joy Behar, or John Oliver?

Go back to the hole from whence you came, you cretin!
That idea is pure Trump speak, no testing means no cases
 
Rosie showed no leadership or commitment at all. Didn't go to class and wouldn't recruit as coach.

You cite Schulz (no T ain't it obvious?) engineering credentials when he showed no leadership during the Robert Barber SCB fiasco. Another technocrat who skipped the humanities. Engineers make horrible leaders of people.

He was a good engineer in the sense he hired an outsider to write CYA report on the Robert Barber SCB case.
I see Schulz get blamed for the Robert Barber deal a lot. I'm curious what you think he should have done there.
 
My only contention is that he was fired for "bad" cause. The courts will have to rule on that one way or another.
That is a distinct possibility, this type of mandate firing is new territory in terms of employment law. There may be emails out there suggesting that Chun wanted him gone after the Woods affair. A subterfuge firing would clearly be a breach of contract. That is why you have the discovery process. If there is dirt it will come out.
 
My Coach! Let's go
And he understands that the vaccine ain't about him, a young, healthy, well paid man, it is about stopping the spread that's killing and hospitalizing 1000s daily. Clarity in sea on nonsense, and he has gotten such a clearly outmanned squad playing to the limit of their ability to boot. I would love for him to succeed, sadly, the poor schmuck will get serious hate as we hit the teeth of the schedule, as Rolo becomes an ever greater anti vax martyr.
 
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Who is less likely to spread the virus?? The non vaccinated guy who gets tested every day and wears masks indoors and outdoors or the vaccinated guy who has no idea if he has it or not. This was about Chun asserting his authority.
Fun how that works, employers get to tell employees what to do on the job, starting with complying with the law.
The tyranny of the work place! Rolo was clearly being "repressed." Let's abolish the athletic department and start a "anarcho-syndicalist commune" at WSU.
 
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Fun how that works, employers get to tell employees what to do on the job, starting with complying with the law.
The tyranny of the work place! Rolo was clearly being "repressed." Let's abolish the athletic department and start a "anarcho-syndicalist commune" at WSU.
Why don't you address the scenario he proposed?
 
Why don't you address the scenario he proposed?
Legally you aren't entitled to a reasonable accommodation, unless you qualify in a protected class (apparent bogus religious exemption). That said, daily testing and mask wearing probably would be an effective accommodation until Rolo left the state, when he would have to meet the standards of the state he is in, and the reasonable accommodation requirements, concurrently.
 
We got rid of a below average coach and saved millions. Chun is a genius.

As for Rolo - 99% of the population, including him, has zero idea what they really put in their bodies - no one knows what's in their drinking water, hormones in food, chemicals, pesticides, etc., etc., and half the population is too obese to put down the deep fried ice cream long enough to find out of even care. But then an election didn't go their way and now they want to be moral crusaders for medical freedom. yeah right. His moral crusade is a joke, so glad this clown is gone. Besides, I've been told a hundred times in the last year or two that if you don't comply with orders from the gov't you shouldn't be surprised if you get shot. By that standard he's getting off easy.

For the amount WSU is willing to pay, it will easily get another coach as competent as Rolo (and likely far more organized). Surf's up dude.
 
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