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Good evening cougars!
I wanted to drop by and get everyone's thoughts here on our new coach. I'm actually one of the few State fans who wasn't a huge fan of this hire but I do think he will do well here. Not my first choice but I'm a fan now. I'm trying to warm up to it but I'm really scared about the air raid concept working in the SEC and against constant man coverage. Would love to get your thoughts on what you'll miss most and won't miss about Mike. For example when mullen left us we all were more than happy to see him go for his: Poor recruiting, inability to win Top 25 match ups, arrogance to adjust his offensive playbook on the goal line and 3rd and short situations, and his meddling on the defensive side. Obviously there were many positives (too many to list) we were going to miss.

Would love to hear all of your thoughts. Thanks!
 
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Good evening cougars!
I wanted to drop by and get everyone's thoughts here on our new coach. I'm actually one of the few State fans who wasn't a huge fan of this hire. I'm trying to warm up to it but I'm really scared about the air raid concept working in the SEC and against constant man coverage. Would love to get your thoughts on what you'll miss most and won't miss about Mike. For example when mullen left us we all were more than happy to see him go for his: Poor recruiting, inability to win Top 25 match ups, arrogance to adjust his offensive playbook on the goal line and 3rd and short situations, and his meddling on the defensive side. Obviously there were many positives (too many to list) we were going to miss.

Would love to hear all of yalls thoughts. Thanks!
Too soon, bro. Shit man, there are still flames burning from the tire tracks as he left town.

Come back in a week.
 
Leach is who he is. His offense will infuriate you and your opposition, depending on the outcome. And he will not be particularly gracious about feedback. All that said, if you give him an elite DC you could do great things.
 
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You are getting a great coach. He's quirky and will drive members of your fan base who think of themselves as experts nuts. He's stubborn, but he's also going to have a lot of success in the SEC.
 
You are getting a great coach. He's quirky and will drive members of your fan base who think of themselves as experts nuts. He's stubborn, but he's also going to have a lot of success in the SEC.
We have an insane amount of those fans. Myself included sometime. I'm terrified about the thought of us becoming a passing team against Alabama, LSU, Auburns defenses
 
Leach is who he is. His offense will infuriate you and your opposition, depending on the outcome. And he will not be particularly gracious about feedback. All that said, if you give him an elite DC you could do great things.
Rumor is were going after Strong for DC. While I'm skeptical I'd love to see what that combo could achieve. Does he middle in the defense? or generally just let the DC do it all?
 
The biggest issue, as you mentioned, is Leach’s inability to beat top-25 teams; particularly teams that play strong defense.

He doesn’t run the ball...at all, so while it’ll be fun to see him light up the scoreboard against lesser opponents, I’m not sure how the offense will fare against the big boys of the SEC. In your division alone, there are 3-4 teams more than capable of generating a pass rush with 3 down linemen and dropping 8 into coverage. That’s Leach’s kryptonite.

It’ll be interesting to follow for sure.
 
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Rumor is were going after Strong for DC. While I'm skeptical I'd love to see what that combo could achieve. Does he middle in the defense? or generally just let the DC do it all?
He'd rather not think about defense at all beyond outcomes as far as I can tell. He wants turnovers and high energy/effort. After that details don't concern him
 
What A&M fans said, and what I’ll say: You’re gonna beat some people who you never thought you would, and then you’re gonna choke away games to the turds of the conference because of things like poor clock management and not rushing at key moments. But overall things will always be fun and exciting.

Leach IMO is in pretty decent need of someone he considers and equal to convince him to adapt the air raid a bit. But given the right athletes I’m sure he’ll still put up great numbers in the SEC. The coordinator job, DC, will be the most important hire. Hopefully he’ll hire a RB coach with pull to convince him to rush.

I will be keeping up with Miss St from now on as this will be an interesting experiment.
 
We have an insane amount of those fans. Myself included sometime. I'm terrified about the thought of us becoming a passing team against Alabama, LSU, Auburns defenses

Why...Alabama when they face a very good QB give up a lot of yards and points. How many did LSU and Clemson hang on them?
 
You are getting a great coach. He's quirky and will drive members of your fan base who think of themselves as experts nuts. He's stubborn, but he's also going to have a lot of success in the SEC.

I am no expert and his quirkiness didn't bother me. Him being a stubborn mule in bowls and against UW were maddening.

He will have middling success at MSU imo. Below all the heavy weights, above the lightweights. Never compete for a conference title like he did here.
 
Why...Alabama when they face a very good QB give up a lot of yards and points. How many did LSU and Clemson hang on them?
You mean the two teams in the CFC game with a Heisman winner and probable future Heisman winner, and those same two teams one of which has had the #1 recruiting class the last few years and another that's top 3 or 5?
 
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Why...Alabama when they face a very good QB give up a lot of yards and points. How many did LSU and Clemson hang on them?
LSU and Clemson have 5 star receivers across the board who get consistent separation and can win 50/50 jump balls. MSU does not have this. We're historically (and currently) terrible at WR
 
Good evening cougars!
I wanted to drop by and get everyone's thoughts here on our new coach. I'm actually one of the few State fans who wasn't a huge fan of this hire. I'm trying to warm up to it but I'm really scared about the air raid concept working in the SEC and against constant man coverage. Would love to get your thoughts on what you'll miss most and won't miss about Mike. For example when mullen left us we all were more than happy to see him go for his: Poor recruiting, inability to win Top 25 match ups, arrogance to adjust his offensive playbook on the goal line and 3rd and short situations, and his meddling on the defensive side. Obviously there were many positives (too many to list) we were going to miss.

Would love to hear all of yalls thoughts. Thanks!
No sour grapes here. I think you should be a little worried. I doubt his offense is going to work well against any of the SECs good defenses. He could do nothing against the better couple of good defenses we had in our conference each year and you’ve got like 8 of em in the SEC. I think leach was checked out for whatever reason at WSU and was going for one last big payday as he’s probably only interested in coaching a few more years anyways. My guess is ceiling of about 8 wins there.

sorry not trying to be an ass, I really don’t have any Ill will towards Leach or MSU, I hate Bama, Fl, Aub, etc. and always root for the underdogs of the conf and will root for MSU...Good luck
 
LSU and Clemson have 5 star receivers across the board who get consistent separation and can win 50/50 jump balls. MSU does not have this. We're historically (and currently) terrible at WR

You won't be for long. WR for themost part hasn't been the problem here.
 
You mean the two teams in the CFC game with a Heisman winner and probable future Heisman winner, and those same two teams one of which has had the #1 recruiting class the last few years and another that's top 3 or 5?

Yes, against a bama defense that had how many first round draft picks? You are right, they played with WSU's defense in those games.
 
Rumor is were going after Strong for DC. While I'm skeptical I'd love to see what that combo could achieve. Does he middle in the defense? or generally just let the DC do it all?

He lets the defense do its thing.

He’s had some success hiring DCs in the past Alex Grinch (Oklahoma’s DC) was an original Leach hire and while he wasn’t good against LSU this year (who was really?) it was just his first year and they made the playoffs.

Leach will be great for Miss. State. He gets a ton out of his players and you guys are basically smack dab in the middle of prime recruiting country.

Good luck with everything and enjoy the process.
 
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Tech guy here. I was driving to San Antonio from Dallas for the Alamo a bowl when I heard Leach was fired. Got a speeding ticket while on the phone with a buddy trying to piece things together.

I wholeheartedly agree with just about every opinion on here about how things have been with him and what can be without him. True, Tech has yet to return to “mediocrity” of 8 win seasons since he left but it has more to do with the subsequent hires than what Leach was able to do.

He was checked out after 9 years at TT just like at WSU. He’s just wired that way. Y’all should do just fine moving forward. We wish y’all the best- see you 2028, 2029.
 
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The thing we were always hoping for was some adaptation to the air raid offense (running the ball, using a TE, gadget/trick plays, reverse, wr hand offs) none of which we have seen in 8 years in Pullman. Same air raid offense no matter who we were playing.

Yes it works against inferior teams and against teams who don’t prepare, but during all of our bowl games, and against UW, Utah, Cal who are teams that actually play defense we struggled mightily. If he adds these wrinkles to the offense he can do some things but if not, I think you guys will be looking for a new coach in 3-4 years.

I would venture to guess Leach will win the 3-4 games every year out of conference since they will be cupcakes, win 3-4 games against the average teams, win 1 you weren’t expecting and drop 1 you weren’t expecting. So around 7-9 wins per year.

The biggest thing that drove WSU fans nuts was his stubbornness and did not take the blame for anything.
 
The thing we were always hoping for was some adaptation to the air raid offense (running the ball, using a TE, gadget/trick plays, reverse, wr hand offs) none of which we have seen in 8 years in Pullman. Same air raid offense no matter who we were playing.

Yes it works against inferior teams and against teams who don’t prepare, but during all of our bowl games, and against UW, Utah, Cal who are teams that actually play defense we struggled mightily. If he adds these wrinkles to the offense he can do some things but if not, I think you guys will be looking for a new coach in 3-4 years.

I would venture to guess Leach will win the 3-4 games every year out of conference since they will be cupcakes, win 3-4 games against the average teams, win 1 you weren’t expecting and drop 1 you weren’t expecting. So around 7-9 wins per year.

The biggest thing that drove WSU fans nuts was his stubbornness and did not take the blame for anything.
Yup he’s gonna need to adapt. And don’t tell me about shovel passes or a Big Gulps. He needs to ADAPT. Throwing it 70 times against NFL caliber DBs and pass rushers is a recipe for disaster. And he’s so damn stubborn I just don’t see it.
 
Yup he’s gonna need to adapt. And don’t tell me about shovel passes or a Big Gulps. He needs to ADAPT. Throwing it 70 times against NFL caliber DBs and pass rushers is a recipe for disaster. And he’s so damn stubborn I just don’t see it.
See UW
 
Yup he’s gonna need to adapt. And don’t tell me about shovel passes or a Big Gulps. He needs to ADAPT. Throwing it 70 times against NFL caliber DBs and pass rushers is a recipe for disaster. And he’s so damn stubborn I just don’t see it.
Shovel pass... what was once a staple of the Leach offense, we haven't really seen it in regular rotation since Falk left. Wonder if that is by design or not.
 
Shovel pass... what was once a staple of the Leach offense, we haven't really seen it in regular rotation since Falk left. Wonder if that is by design or not.
The shovel pass is really a draw play in his offense, and Falk probably used it as an audible when the defense looked vulnerable to it. Luke's field vision was his limitation, not his ability to check into good plays at the line.
 
Good evening cougars!
I wanted to drop by and get everyone's thoughts here on our new coach. I'm actually one of the few State fans who wasn't a huge fan of this hire but I do think he will do well here. Not my first choice but I'm a fan now. I'm trying to warm up to it but I'm really scared about the air raid concept working in the SEC and against constant man coverage. Would love to get your thoughts on what you'll miss most and won't miss about Mike. For example when mullen left us we all were more than happy to see him go for his: Poor recruiting, inability to win Top 25 match ups, arrogance to adjust his offensive playbook on the goal line and 3rd and short situations, and his meddling on the defensive side. Obviously there were many positives (too many to list) we were going to miss.

Would love to hear all of your thoughts. Thanks!

First.....just to be petty......I think Leach is a moron for going to Mississippi State. Any AD that is dickish enough to wait until after the signing period to fire their coach is the kind of AD that you just can't f'ing trust. Your AD is a mercenary a$$hole and I mean that in the worst possible way. Firing a coach after two years is just a dick move to make and waiting until kids have signed on the dotted line was a prick move that made it worse. Leach jumping over there enables that kind of sh!tty behavior. So, in that regard, I'm not going to pretend that I hope that he has success there. F#ck Mike Leach and MSU for demonstrating the worst qualities of college football. But enough of the pettiness.

As far as Leach goes, you are going to get a guy that is going to be a lot like Dan Mullen in terms of winning. 7-9 wins is the general working area with an occasional outlier one way or the other. Your team will be fun to watch.....and frustrating to watch. All of the comments above are pretty accurate. Your university's PR profile just jumped significantly and you'll get attention (good for the most part) that you never did with Dan Mullen. Everyone in the country will know that Mike Leach is your coach. Can't say that I ever heard Dan Mullen's name when he was at Mississippi State and if I did, I didn't care enough to remember it.

Get ready to shout, "JUST PUNT THE F'ING BALL!" at your TV as Leach has a seizure while trying to decide if he should punt on 4th and 4 at his own 49 yard line and wastes a timeout because he just can't help himself......... Get ready to yell, "REALLY MIKE?" when the QB lines up in the shotgun on 3rd and goal from the 6 inch line....... Get ready to yell, "GODDAMMIT!" when your team gets called for delay of game because Mike sent a WR onto the field with 10 seconds to go on the play clock and you watch the official standing over the ball to give the defense a chance to substitute........ Get ready to yell, "TAKE THE POINTS!" when Leach goes for it on 4th an goal from the 6 yard line instead of kicking the field goal and then being pissed as you realize that his decision to pass on the field goal cost you the game........... Get ready to be angry when a drive ends on downs after three incomplete passes when you had gained 40 yards on 3 rushing plays right before that. Get ready to be even more pissed when you realize that they only ran the ball 3 more times the entire game.......... Get ready to throw stuff at your TV screen as you watch a 14 point 4th quarter lead evaporate because the Air Raid is incapable of burning clock......... Get ready to sit around asking yourself how your team lost when it scored 59+ points (happened to us twice...in regulation)......... Get ready to laugh at the napkin that Leach calls a playbook as he scratches notes after an incomplete pass......... Get ready to yell "HOW THE HECK DID THAT HAPPEN?" when you lose the Egg Bowl as a 10 point favorite......... Get ready to shake your head when Mike calls out the team for being entitled or unfocused, coughs, chugs water, and than says they as coaches had failed to motivate them........ Finally, no matter how much you are paying him, get ready for him to interview for other jobs in a few years.

As fun as it was to watch Leach's teams at times, and even though I didn't want him to leave, I will not miss his arrogant, smug attitude and his baffling decisions. The dude is legit crazy and definitely somewhere on the spectrum. He is not a normal human being. It's what makes him a great coach....but it's also what keeps him from being a truly great coach.
 
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First.....just to be petty......I think Leach is a moron for going to Mississippi State. Any AD that is dickish enough to wait until after the signing period to fire their coach is the kind of AD that you just can't f'ing trust. Your AD is a mercenary a$$hole and I mean that in the worst possible way. Firing a coach after two years is just a dick move to make and waiting until kids have signed on the dotted line was a prick move that made it worse. Leach jumping over there enables that kind of sh!tty behavior. So, in that regard, I'm not going to pretend that I hope that he has success there. F#ck Mike Leach and MSU for demonstrating the worst qualities of college football. But enough of the pettiness.

As far as Leach goes, you are going to get a guy that is going to be a lot like Dan Mullen in terms of winning. 7-9 wins is the general working area with an occasional outlier one way or the other. Your team will be fun to watch.....and frustrating to watch. All of the comments above are pretty accurate. Your university's PR profile just jumped significantly and you'll get attention (good for the most part) that you never did with Dan Mullen. Everyone in the country will know that Mike Leach is your coach. Can't say that I ever heard Dan Mullen's name when he was at Mississippi State and if I did, I didn't care enough to remember it.

Get ready to shout, "JUST PUNT THE F'ING BALL!" at your TV as Leach has a seizure while trying to decide if he should punt on 4th and 4 at his own 49 yard line and wastes a timeout because he just can't help himself......... Get ready to yell, "REALLY MIKE?" when the QB lines up in the shotgun on 3rd and goal from the 6 inch line....... Get ready to yell, "GODDAMMIT!" when your team gets called for delay of game because Mike sent a WR onto the field with 10 seconds to go on the play clock and you watch the official standing over the ball to give the defense a chance to substitute........ Get ready to yell, "TAKE THE POINTS!" when Leach goes for it on 4th an goal from the 6 yard line instead of kicking the field goal and then being pissed as you realize that his decision to pass on the field goal cost you the game........... Get ready to be angry when a drive ends on downs after three incomplete passes when you had gained 40 yards on 3 rushing plays right before that. Get ready to be even more pissed when you realize that they only ran the ball 3 more times the entire game.......... Get ready to throw stuff at your TV screen as you watch a 14 point 4th quarter lead evaporate because the Air Raid is incapable of burning clock......... Get ready to sit around asking yourself how your team lost when it scored 59+ points (happened to us twice...in regulation)......... Get ready to laugh at the napkin that Leach calls a playbook as he scratches notes after an incomplete pass......... Get ready to yell "HOW THE HECK DID THAT HAPPEN?" when you lose the Egg Bowl as a 10 point favorite......... Get ready to shake your head when Mike calls out the team for being entitled or unfocused, coughs, chugs water, and than says they as coaches had failed to motivate them........ Finally, no matter how much you are paying him, get ready for him to interview for other jobs in a few years.

As fun as it was to watch Leach's teams at times, and even though I didn't want him to leave, I will not miss his arrogant, smug attitude and his baffling decisions. The dude is legit crazy and definitely somewhere on the spectrum. He is not a normal human being. It's what makes him a great coach....but it's also what keeps him from being a truly great coach.
Good points. You forgot “basketball” timeouts when the defense is getting run through that don’t work and then you need the timeout later.

Also, I don’t think he will be interviewing anywhere else. I think he did this for one more payday and to be closer to Key West. I don’t think he will he coaching in 4 years and I don’t think MSU will look at this as any more than a “meh” hire when it’s over. There will be an initial shot in the arm with the attention, but that will fade quickly once conference play begins.
 
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  • Every year you will win a game you have no business winning
  • Every year you'll lose a game you have no business losing
  • There will be at least two teams in the SEC that hold your offense under 20 points every time you play them
  • There will be a team you drop 50+ on every time you play them
  • You'll suck in openers and off of byes
  • You'll lose to Ole Miss 7 times in a row
  • You'll beat Arkansas 5 out of 6
  • You'll win games where you barely score 20
  • You'll lose games when you put up at least 50
  • You'll have one game a year when the offense runs the ball 20 times for 200+ yards
  • The rest of the year, you might not run the ball 20 times combined
  • Your QB's will throw for 4,500+ yards and 35+ TD's, you'll record will be 6-6
  • You'll go to bowls!
  • You'll never seriously have a shot at winning your division
  • The team made good decisions, played hard and executed
  • It ain't my fault, ask the players
  • Each year the Air raid will only have 7-10 plays
  • Each year the Air Raid will have the same 7-10 plays
  • Every year Leach's name will be mentioned in the coaching carousel
  • Leach will be your coach until it's announced he has taken the job at Illinois.
 
  • Every year you will win a game you have no business winning
  • Every year you'll lose a game you have no business losing
  • There will be at least two teams in the SEC that hold your offense under 20 points every time you play them
  • There will be a team you drop 50+ on every time you play them
  • You'll suck in openers and off of byes
  • You'll lose to Ole Miss 7 times in a row
  • You'll beat Arkansas 5 out of 6
  • You'll win games where you barely score 20
  • You'll lose games when you put up at least 50
  • You'll have one game a year when the offense runs the ball 20 times for 200+ yards
  • The rest of the year, you might not run the ball 20 times combined
  • Your QB's will throw for 4,500+ yards and 35+ TD's, you'll record will be 6-6
  • You'll go to bowls!
  • You'll never seriously have a shot at winning your division
  • The team made good decisions, played hard and executed
  • It ain't my fault, ask the players
  • Each year the Air raid will only have 7-10 plays
  • Each year the Air Raid will have the same 7-10 plays
  • Every year Leach's name will be mentioned in the coaching carousel
  • Leach will be your coach until it's announced he has taken the job at Illinois.
 
First.....just to be petty......I think Leach is a moron for going to Mississippi State. Any AD that is dickish enough to wait until after the signing period to fire their coach is the kind of AD that you just can't f'ing trust. Your AD is a mercenary a$$hole and I mean that in the worst possible way. Firing a coach after two years is just a dick move to make and waiting until kids have signed on the dotted line was a prick move that made it worse. Leach jumping over there enables that kind of sh!tty behavior. So, in that regard, I'm not going to pretend that I hope that he has success there. F#ck Mike Leach and MSU for demonstrating the worst qualities of college football. But enough of the pettiness.

As far as Leach goes, you are going to get a guy that is going to be a lot like Dan Mullen in terms of winning. 7-9 wins is the general working area with an occasional outlier one way or the other. Your team will be fun to watch.....and frustrating to watch. All of the comments above are pretty accurate. Your university's PR profile just jumped significantly and you'll get attention (good for the most part) that you never did with Dan Mullen. Everyone in the country will know that Mike Leach is your coach. Can't say that I ever heard Dan Mullen's name when he was at Mississippi State and if I did, I didn't care enough to remember it.

Get ready to shout, "JUST PUNT THE F'ING BALL!" at your TV as Leach has a seizure while trying to decide if he should punt on 4th and 4 at his own 49 yard line and wastes a timeout because he just can't help himself......... Get ready to yell, "REALLY MIKE?" when the QB lines up in the shotgun on 3rd and goal from the 6 inch line....... Get ready to yell, "GODDAMMIT!" when your team gets called for delay of game because Mike sent a WR onto the field with 10 seconds to go on the play clock and you watch the official standing over the ball to give the defense a chance to substitute........ Get ready to yell, "TAKE THE POINTS!" when Leach goes for it on 4th an goal from the 6 yard line instead of kicking the field goal and then being pissed as you realize that his decision to pass on the field goal cost you the game........... Get ready to be angry when a drive ends on downs after three incomplete passes when you had gained 40 yards on 3 rushing plays right before that. Get ready to be even more pissed when you realize that they only ran the ball 3 more times the entire game.......... Get ready to throw stuff at your TV screen as you watch a 14 point 4th quarter lead evaporate because the Air Raid is incapable of burning clock......... Get ready to sit around asking yourself how your team lost when it scored 59+ points (happened to us twice...in regulation)......... Get ready to laugh at the napkin that Leach calls a playbook as he scratches notes after an incomplete pass......... Get ready to yell "HOW THE HECK DID THAT HAPPEN?" when you lose the Egg Bowl as a 10 point favorite......... Get ready to shake your head when Mike calls out the team for being entitled or unfocused, coughs, chugs water, and than says they as coaches had failed to motivate them........ Finally, no matter how much you are paying him, get ready for him to interview for other jobs in a few years.

As fun as it was to watch Leach's teams at times, and even though I didn't want him to leave, I will not miss his arrogant, smug attitude and his baffling decisions. The dude is legit crazy and definitely somewhere on the spectrum. He is not a normal human being. It's what makes him a great coach....but it's also what keeps him from being a truly great coach.

Re your rant about MSU bring scums for firing coach after LOI day I would not be surprised if Leach reached out to them to tell them he was interested before trey canned their coach. We will never know but it sure looked like he wanted out of Pullman and the only reason he did the extension was to sew up the WSU recruiting class in case he couldn’t find a ride out of Pullman.

He put in 8 years and I’m grateful but I’m not losing any sleep over it. CFB is a Business.
 
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Let me give you a answer with none the nitpicking minutia about timeouts or whatever.

Knowing the MSU situation and what led to the firing of Moorehead, Leach is exactly a great fit for the program at this point in time. The MSU program needs focus and discipline. Every place Leach has coached the program's off the field issues have decreased and class room performance has improved. That is not debatable from anyone that wants to be negative right now. He is not from the Jimmy Johnson school of there is one set of rules for the stars and another set for the rest of the team.

Because of that his teams play as teams as much as anyone in the country. Player interviews even over time start sounding the same. Over time his players start forming a great bond with one another. This is the primary reason you never saw a ton of players at WSU hit the transfer portal. Every player knew they would get their touches, everyone had a key role etc..

What Leach does need to be a big winner is a really good coach on defense. Not just good but a real fiery type. One reason Grinch worked so well with Leach was he was a real animated motivator which made up for Leach not being a real rah rah type. Trouble is Grinch is an absolute failure in big games. He was as much or more to blame in the AC losses as Leach and that problem showed up again when OU played LSU.

Summary I think if his track record holds Leach will get MSU straightened out from a team structure point of view. However make no predictions on his record until I see who hires for defense.
 
Re your rant about MSU bring scums for firing coach after LOI day I would not be surprised if Leach reached out to them to tell them he was interested before trey canned their coach. We will never know but it sure looked like he wanted out of Pullman and the only reason he did the extension was to sew up the WSU recruiting class in case he couldn’t find a ride out of Pullman.

He put in 8 years and I’m grateful but I’m not losing any sleep over it. CFB is a Business.

At the end of the day, I'm grateful for what Leach did at WSU, but much like Tony Bennett, I don't care if he does well or not. It is a business and the getting fired after two years part is pretty scummy but not that unusual. It's incredibly sketchy to fire a coach right after they got a bunch of kids to sign their letters of intent. Frankly, since Mississippi State instigated that situation by firing their coach, I think every LOI for their current class should be voided out and the kids should be free to sign elsewhere. Since WSU isn't the one that created the situation, I don't know that it applies to us, but I think we should release any kids who want to go somewhere else........after they've had a chance to hear from our next head coach.
 
Good evening cougars!
I wanted to drop by and get everyone's thoughts here on our new coach. I'm actually one of the few State fans who wasn't a huge fan of this hire but I do think he will do well here. Not my first choice but I'm a fan now. I'm trying to warm up to it but I'm really scared about the air raid concept working in the SEC and against constant man coverage. Would love to get your thoughts on what you'll miss most and won't miss about Mike. For example when mullen left us we all were more than happy to see him go for his: Poor recruiting, inability to win Top 25 match ups, arrogance to adjust his offensive playbook on the goal line and 3rd and short situations, and his meddling on the defensive side. Obviously there were many positives (too many to list) we were going to miss.

Would love to hear all of your thoughts. Thanks!

Believe or not, I've made an effort to make this pithy.

Leach is the best coach we've had at WSU. He's a hard-ass, demanding coach that gets maximum production out of his personnel. The team will have historically high GPAs and graduation rates. He rambles during pressers and meetings and is never on time. They called him TSO (The Strange One) at Tech, and there is good reason for that. He will not glad hand with the boosters. He will pick unnecessary fights with the media. Injuries will not be discussed. Practice will be closed. He will publicly criticize players. The old school football guys will have a hard time with the lack of rushing attempts. Leach has no qualms about telling recruiting misses to hit the bricks. Anyone that hits a woman, steals or does drugs will be dismissed. Some of your fans won't like him.

Where Leach doesn't get enough credit is strength and conditioning. He's had outstanding strength coaches. Your team will be the best shape it's ever been in going into fall camp.

It's true that he doesn't spend much time with the defense, maybe none. He likes a 33 or 34, but I'm not sure that he would dictate that to the DC and I don't know what kind of personnel you've got. He needs a solid DC .

He's not a dynamic recruiter, and needs some recruiters on staff. Don't expect your recruiting ranking to skyrocket. After one or two cycles to plug roster holes, it will be balanced classes. Because he can do more with less on the offensive side, there is kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. You get under the radar guys and he seems to seek them out. He seems to cast a wide net, then focus on guys that show interest. Recruits that want a lot of attention may not get it. He's not a coach that lives and breathes recruiting. He lives and breathes his offense.

Leach believes in the Air Raid with religious level zealotry. He is the HC, OC and QB coach. He has an "eye in the sky" to help him look at what the defense is doing who will likely be one of the WR coaches. The best way to think of the offense is that's it's triple option spread out with passes substituted for hand offs and pitches. The Air Raid attacks sideline to sideline about thirty yards deep. High volume short passes, with deep shots when the coverage allows it. Expect three personnel groups- 20, 10 and 0, with 10 about 85% of the time, 20 around 10% and 0 around 5%. No TE and no FB. There are a relatively small number of plays and a relatively large number of formations (when the receivers line up in slightly different spots, that's considered a different formation). However, Leach has had an H-back at times in the offense. Leach signals in a formation and play, and the play is almost always a pass (and I mean like 95%). The QB has considerable discretion to change the play at the LOS based on what he sees from the defense. For example if the box count dictates dictates that he should check to a run, he's supposed to check to a run. If the defense is showing man or blitz, it's take a deep shot or check to a screen. The QB is as close to being the OC. It's not a coincidence that Kingsbury, Cumbie, Riley, Harrell were/are all OCs, and good ones. If Leach is still coaching when Minshew is done playing, Minshew will be on staff and joining that group.

Over the course of the season, the run-pass balance is about 25-75. Generally speaking there are four running plays- inside zone, outside zone, draw and lead. There are a number of games WSU won where the offense had single digits or less rushing. Leach is looking for big plays out of the running game, not three yards and cloud of dust. Passes average seven yards per attempt, so there is no reason to run it if three yards is what you think you're going to get. It drives the old school football guys crazy.

Part of the philosophy is wearing down the defense with personnel substitutions. Eight or more receivers will play regularly. At least two running backs will play regularly.

When the offense is humming it's awesome, every damn play is a first down or touchdown. When it's not, it can be frustrating. I'm not sure what you have coming back on the offensive side, but if you have a decent QB and WR corp, you should be at the top of the SEC in passing in 2020, and dead last by a significant margin in rushing.

The key to stopping Leach's offense is getting pressure and containing the run with a three man rush. If that happens, the eight guys in coverage clog the 30 yard deep area, and there is really nowhere to go. I see you having a very difficult time with Bama, LSU and Auburn. I'm not sure how high Leach can elevate MSU in the SEC West. Maybe the best way to say it is he will raise the floor, but not raise the ceiling. Your W-L record will be more consistent once he has the program established. Don't expect any SEC championships or division championships.
 
  • Every year you will win a game you have no business winning
  • Every year you'll lose a game you have no business losing
  • There will be at least two teams in the SEC that hold your offense under 20 points every time you play them
  • There will be a team you drop 50+ on every time you play them
  • You'll suck in openers and off of byes
  • You'll lose to Ole Miss 7 times in a row
  • You'll beat Arkansas 5 out of 6
  • You'll win games where you barely score 20
  • You'll lose games when you put up at least 50
  • You'll have one game a year when the offense runs the ball 20 times for 200+ yards
  • The rest of the year, you might not run the ball 20 times combined
  • Your QB's will throw for 4,500+ yards and 35+ TD's, you'll record will be 6-6
  • You'll go to bowls!
  • You'll never seriously have a shot at winning your division
  • The team made good decisions, played hard and executed
  • It ain't my fault, ask the players
  • Each year the Air raid will only have 7-10 plays
  • Each year the Air Raid will have the same 7-10 plays
  • Every year Leach's name will be mentioned in the coaching carousel
  • Leach will be your coach until it's announced he has taken the job at Illinois.
What game did we win this year we had no business winning?
 
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Good evening cougars!
I wanted to drop by and get everyone's thoughts here on our new coach. I'm actually one of the few State fans who wasn't a huge fan of this hire but I do think he will do well here. Not my first choice but I'm a fan now. I'm trying to warm up to it but I'm really scared about the air raid concept working in the SEC and against constant man coverage. Would love to get your thoughts on what you'll miss most and won't miss about Mike. For example when mullen left us we all were more than happy to see him go for his: Poor recruiting, inability to win Top 25 match ups, arrogance to adjust his offensive playbook on the goal line and 3rd and short situations, and his meddling on the defensive side. Obviously there were many positives (too many to list) we were going to miss.

Would love to hear all of your thoughts. Thanks!

You will always have a productive QB, regardless of recruiting. Leach can take a walk on, a grad transfer, whomever, and make it work. Same with WR & OL.

He won't touch the D. He'll want a DC that can generate turnovers and nothing else matters much to him. He's fine trying to win 60-59.

He won't adjust his offense, so might as well stop hoping he does. You're not going to run the ball with any regularity, you're not getting a dual threat QB, you're not using a TE.

He's not much of a recruiter, so gotta hope he gets some recruiters on staff and that you can retain them.

You will have a team or two in the conference that you just own, maybe even a program historically much better than you. But, you will have a couple teams that just give you fits and you CANNOT beat.

Bowl games are indifferent. Think of them as an opportunity to get young guys extra reps and if you win, that's nice. Leach won't put much into game planning and making sure you win.

His kids will mostly make grades and stay out of trouble. No pot, no stealing, no DV.

Overall, it'll be a fun ride and you'll win more than you lose. I'll be watching and pulling for MSU.
 
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