Dickert sounds off on NIL tampering

[CougPatrol]

Good to hear him shooting from the hip with specifics.

"There's more tampering going on than you could ever imagine," Dickert said. "We've had guys contact our players' parents. We had a coach from another school contact one of our players and offer him NIL. A coach ... you can't even imagine the things that are happening right now to try and pry our players away from this place.

"It's not right. And who is going to regulate this stuff? ... to try and get to our players' parents and offer money and opportunities is unacceptable."

Dickert on NIL tampering

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

No. One. Cares.

Because the rich get richer and the poor stay poor, so fck 'em.

 

[CougPatrol]

No. One. Cares.

Because the rich get richer and the poor stay poor, so fck 'em.

The NCAA will eventually care about tampering. It's good that coaches are speaking out about it. Every other "professional" league has strict guardrails in place to protect against this stuff.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Good to hear him shooting from the hip with specifics.

"There's more tampering going on than you could ever imagine," Dickert said. "We've had guys contact our players' parents. We had a coach from another school contact one of our players and offer him NIL. A coach ... you can't even imagine the things that are happening right now to try and pry our players away from this place.

"It's not right. And who is going to regulate this stuff? ... to try and get to our players' parents and offer money and opportunities is unacceptable."

Dickert on NIL tampering

I'm sure Crystal ball was doing a lot of tampering to get proven talent. You know, since he can't coach worth a damn.

 

[M-I-Coug]

The NCAA will eventually care about tampering. It's good that coaches are speaking out about it. Every other "professional" league has strict guardrails in place to protect against this stuff.

Once 60 Minutes does their story, their investigative story, that will initiate the framework for reform, regulation, standards, rules, whatever.

Not sure what the solutions is (besides regulation, punishment and fines), but 60 Minutes will get the feds or NCAA to react.

Now, if someone pays CBS or 60 Minutes to keep quiet and keep their mouth shut, then the whole thing is corrupt and rigged. If not, 60 Minutes will get it done.

They. Will. Care.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Once 60 Minutes does their story, that will initiate reform, regulation, standards, rules, whatever. Not sure what the solution is, but 60 Minutes will get the feds or NCAA to react.

So all the red and white chip schools get to sit around and twiddle their thumbs while we wait for Mike Wallace to give a damn?

And when the NCAA does do something, it'll just be another symbolic gesture to act like they give a damn so they can maintain the facade of legitimacy.

Sports is the last place I want our federal government sticking their noses into, but I wouldn't mind a full on takedown of the sham that is the NCAA.

 

[M-I-Coug]

So all the red and white chip schools get to sit around and twiddle their thumbs while we wait for Mike Wallace to give a damn?

And when the NCAA does do something, it'll just be another symbolic gesture to act like they give a damn so they can maintain the facade of legitimacy.

Sports is the last place I want our federal government sticking their noses into, but I wouldn't mind a full on takedown of the sham that is the NCAA.

Most likely, 60 Minutes is probably working on it.

Quality piece. Not some vending machine investigation.

Who exposed the feds about Fentanyl? Who exposed the feds about the Pharmaceutical fraud and corruption with Big Pharma and OxyContin? Took them down to their knees.

Who exposed the nation's crumbling bridges? You name it. If it's been a while, (Mike Wallace) since you've watched, then just wait.

They'll expose it.

That. Is. What. They. Do.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

60 Minutes is probably working on the story, already. Quality stuff. Not some vending machine investigation.

Who exposed the feds about Fentanyl? Who exposed the feds about the Pharmaceutical fraud and corruption with OxyContin?

Our nations crumbling bridges? You name it. If it's been a while, (Mike Wallace) since you've watched, then just wait.

They'll expose it.

That. Is. What. They. Do.

Maybe. But they are deeply corrupt like all corporate media.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Maybe. But they are deeply corrupt like all corporate media.

Agreed. Like I said, if they don't cover it....then they're paid to keep shut. I highly doubt they'll keep quiet about NIL. Highly doubt it.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Most likely, 60 Minutes is probably working on it.

Quality piece. Not some vending machine investigation.

Who exposed the feds about Fentanyl? Who exposed the feds about the Pharmaceutical fraud and corruption with Big Pharma and OxyContin? Took them down to their knees.

Who exposed the nation's crumbling bridges? You name it. If it's been a while, (Mike Wallace) since you've watched, then just wait.

They'll expose it.

That. Is. What. They. Do.

Right.

Its one thing to expose.

Its another to follow up. Get interviews with congressmen and ask them what they're doing about it. Then follow that up. Make sure your story goes viral on social media so more than just retirees see it.
But you see, the news cycle moves too fast now. After the NCAA corruption, we've gotta cover LGBT dogs and their fight for equality at public dog parks...

 

[95coug]

Answer to Dickert's question: Nobody. Nobody is regulating it.

And how do you regulate it? How do you keep a donor from offering a kid at another school a better deal? How do you keep them from contacting his parents? You might be able to put some limits and sanctions in place against coaches making direct contact, but so what? They just farm it out to a representative...or let the donor do it themselves.

Seriously, this is completely off the rails. In 2022, actions that are normal on a Tuesday got SMU the death penalty in 1986.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Right.

Its one thing to expose.

Its another to follow up. Get interviews with congressmen and ask them what they're doing about it. Then follow that up. Make sure your story goes viral on social media so more than just retirees see it.
But you see, the news cycle moves too fast now. After the NCAA corruption, we've gotta cover LGBT dogs and their fight for equality at public dog parks...

But there's a ton of money for attorneys, and the legal industry, which means they'll be plenty of ambulance chasers who want a piece of the pie, so I doubt it will get exposed then hushed.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Answer to Dickert's question: Nobody. Nobody is regulating it.

And how do you regulate it? How do you keep a donor from offering a kid at another school a better deal? How do you keep them from contacting his parents? You might be able to put some limits and sanctions in place against coaches making direct contact, but so what? They just farm it out to a representative...or let the donor do it themselves.

Seriously, this is completely off the rails. In 2022, actions that are normal on a Tuesday got SMU the death penalty in 1986.

You shut it down. Or, if you're caught breaking the rules, you'll be punished, and can't play NCAA football anywhere. Kind of like a felony, but you won't be able to sign a convicted NIL felon athlete.

If a coach or the AD is caught breaking the rules, then the whole team is punished. But I agree. It's off the rails and unprecedented.

 

[95coug]

You shut it down. Or, if you're caught breaking the rules, you'll be punished, and can't play NCAA football anywhere. Kind of like a felony, but you won't be able to sign a convicted NIL felon athlete.

If a coach or the AD is caught breaking the rules, then the whole team is punished. But I agree. It's off the rails and unprecedented.

If you're going to have any chance of shutting it down, you've also got to find a way to sanction the donors that are making the offers.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

If you're going to have any chance of shutting it down, you've also got to find a way to sanction the donors that are making the offers.

The only sanction is to take away the program, ala SMU.

 

[425cougfan]

Weird. Who would've guessed?

 

[M-I-Coug]

So all the red and white chip schools get to sit around and twiddle their thumbs while we wait for Mike Wallace to give a damn?

And when the NCAA does do something, it'll just be another symbolic gesture to act like they give a damn so they can maintain the facade of legitimacy.

Sports is the last place I want our federal government sticking their noses into, but I wouldn't mind a full on takedown of the sham that is the NCAA.

Agreed. The federal government is basically hands off on college sports. But the legal industry will be all over it like vultures.

Guaranteed.

In fact, it will be a GOLD RUSH for both small and large firms all over the country.

60 Minutes + legal industry = Action.

 

[425cougfan]

This differs meaningfully from something like the opioid epidemic, which destroyed the lives of millions and presented opportunities for going after deep pockets with legal action. This is about tampering in college recruiting. Yes, this and lots of related stuff, like largely unfettered transfers, is ruining college football, but only some programs, and there is difficulty showing who did what, who was harmed, whether they have a legal claim (I doubt it), and so on. Even then, some of the loudest voices would claim that they don't want to limit opportunities for "the kids."

So it's someone like Jake Dickert, the football coach making $3m a year, complaining that his players are being lured away illegitimately. Who else would be on his side ... some WSU fans who would complain that their interest in CFB is down because other teams steal their players? Sure, OK. Don't get me wrong ... it's totally legit. I'm one of those fans. Most days, I feel like I just can't care about this with 5% of the passion I used to have. But who is harmed here and is it actionable? Is WSU going to try to argue that donations are down because some boosters are abusing NIL, and claiming they have some kind of legal rights in connection with that? I don't see how that would work, even if, again, it's pretty much exactly what's happening and is right there to see.

Then on the other side, you have the "for the kids" folks (the same guys who were behind the BS that led to all of this predictable shit with NIL and transfers, yet claimed it wouldn't hurt WSU ... yeah, sure), the power programs, rich people funding NIL, 90% of football programs that are better-situated than WSU and will at least survive all this, and so on.

And again, there isn't clearly and kind of legal theory for anyone to pursue. At least not one I can see.

The most a 60 Minutes segment, even if it occurred, would be likely to do would be to lead to some more pressure on the NCAA to try to create new rules and enforce them. As for that ... well, need me to predict how impactful that will be? Maybe something happens here if Congress gets involved, but look at the money and the players involved and consider how that would be likely to work out.

 

[M-I-Coug]

This differs meaningfully from something like the opioid epidemic, which destroyed the lives of millions and presented opportunities for going after deep pockets with legal action. This is about tampering in college recruiting. Yes, this and a milieu of related stuff, like largely unfettered transfers, is completely destroying college football, but only for some programs, and there is difficulty showing who did what, who was harmed, whether they have a legal claim (I doubt it), and so on. Even then, there will be some of the loudest voices claiming that they don't want to limit opportunities for "the kids."

So it's someone like Jake Dickert, the football coach making $3m a year, complaining that his football players are being lured away illegitimately. Who else would be on his side ... some WSU fans who would complain that their interest in CFB is down because other teams steal their players? Sure, OK. Don't get me wrong ... it's totally legit. I'm one of those fans. Most days, I feel like I just can't care about this with 5% of the passion I used to have. But who is harmed here and is it actionable? Is WSU going to try to argue that donations are down because some boosters are abusing NIL, and claiming they have some kind of legal rights in connection with that? I don't see how that would work, even if, again, it's pretty much exactly what's happening and is right there to see for anyone with his or her eyes open.

Then on the other side, you have the "for the kids" folks (the same guys who were behind the BS that led to all of this predictable shit with NIL and transfers, yet claimed it wouldn't hurt WSU ... yeah, sure), the power programs, rich people funding NIL, 90% of football programs that are better-situated than WSU and will at least survive all this, and so on.

And again, there isn't clearly and kind of legal theory for anyone to pursue. At least not one I can see.

The most a 60 Minutes segment, even if it occurred, would be likely to do would be to lead to some more pressure on the NCAA to try to create new rules and enforce them. As for that ... well, need me to predict how impactful that will be? Maybe something happens here if Congress gets involved, but look at the money and the players involved and consider how that would be likely to work out.

You got to wonder how much money in reserves the NCAA has, because I can see the writing on the wall. They're going to have some huge legal bills, whether it's reform, rules and enforcement, or just plain law suits.

They're going to spend a lot of money in the near future, which will probably drain their reserves, for sure. But, then they'll ask congress for help, and congress will pass a bill and help fund the NCAA so they don't go bust.

 

[kougkurt]

Have the NFL cover the bill, compensation for a free minor league system/developmental league

 

[Glad Cougar]

So all the red and white chip schools get to sit around and twiddle their thumbs while we wait for Mike Wallace to give a damn?

And when the NCAA does do something, it'll just be another symbolic gesture to act like they give a damn so they can maintain the facade of legitimacy.

Sports is the last place I want our federal government sticking their noses into, but I wouldn't mind a full on takedown of the sham that is the NCAA.

They'll be twiddling for a long time....Mike Wallace died more than 10 years ago.

Glad Cougar

 

[COUGinNCW]

You got to wonder how much money in reserves the NCAA has, because I can see the writing on the wall. They're going to have some huge legal bills, whether it's reform, rules and enforcement, or just plain law suits.

They're going to spend a lot of money in the near future, which will probably drain their reserves, for sure. But, then they'll ask congress for help, and congress will pass a bill and help fund the NCAA so they don't go bust.

425 brings up some good points. Who’s going to sue the NCAA and what are they going to claim are the damages?

The only way the NCAA gets involved is if attendance and tv audiences dwindle considerably.

 

[HCoug]

Good to hear him shooting from the hip with specifics.

"There's more tampering going on than you could ever imagine," Dickert said. "We've had guys contact our players' parents. We had a coach from another school contact one of our players and offer him NIL. A coach ... you can't even imagine the things that are happening right now to try and pry our players away from this place.

"It's not right. And who is going to regulate this stuff? ... to try and get to our players' parents and offer money and opportunities is unacceptable."

Dickert on NIL tampering

I don’t blame Dickert for complaining about the unrestricted NIL and transfer portal. What he describes is not “right”, as he says.

But, is it “right” for a coach to shop his starting QB around the NIL market and parlay the deal into a better job opportunity for himself? Does the school losing that coach and QB think that’s “right”?

 

[Fab5Coug]

So all the red and white chip schools get to sit around and twiddle their thumbs while we wait for Mike Wallace to give a damn?

And when the NCAA does do something, it'll just be another symbolic gesture to act like they give a damn so they can maintain the facade of legitimacy.

Sports is the last place I want our federal government sticking their noses into, but I wouldn't mind a full on takedown of the sham that is the NCAA.

And it will take place 4 years from now. Just enough time for the blue bloods to ravage all the schools below them. Can't wait.