Edited the title - now partying Coug times!

[Loyal Coug1]

I'm sure all you frat rats will condemn me for this thread, but too bad. I forget whether Theta Chi is the "date rapers" or "wife beaters" frat (my ex was a sorority girl, so I know some of the nicknames), but never mind.

WTF. How can a 19 year old at WSU kill himself? F-you Theta Chi. Maybe I should go rogue and show up and shoot all you f-ers. That would be some hazing, eh?

Luke Tyler’s family release statement, which mentions alleged hazing

In a statement provided by Luke Tyler’s family they said they are working with authorities to determine why he committed suicide on Jan. 22 and mentioned alleged hazing at Theta Chi fraternity. “As we are preparing for Luke Tyler’s Celebration of Life, we continue to be grateful for the immense...

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[chugspig]

Lived right down the street from Theta Chi for my last year of school. My gf at the time was in Alpha Phi. There was a lot of gf/bf between those two houses so I met a lot of those dudes. Weren’t the brightest and had chalkboards up showing cocaine dues. Lots took tren at the time. They liked to party and their live outs were 24/7 yard parties. Never saw much hazing. But “hazing” can be a million things to any given person. Personally if I was someone’s bitch for a year while having to drink and do coke 5/7 days a week I’d probably break. Others would flourish in that setting. Too bad the hazing details weren’t more in depth to understand what happened. Rip.

 

[whoisyaodaddy]

I was not in a fraternity, but I don't think you can blame the organization on a suicide. For god's sake Kappa Sig stole a bunch of lumber back in '90 for a dance/party and the upper classmen made the pledges take the fall, and cop to the theft. They were sent to the gulags (Kruger-McAllister). They weren't happy about it but they eventually bonded with other "dormies" and had a pretty good second semester. Overcome and adapt not matter the circumstances. I surmise there are a lot more layers to this young man's story and psyche. RIP.

 

[79COUG]

Every member of that frat obtained legal counsel within 72 hours of his so-called suicide. Long before the story was carried by news outlets.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Every member of that frat obtained legal counsel within 72 hours of his so-called suicide. Long before the story was carried by news outlets.

And gee, what does that tell you? That the whole frat was complicit?

Granted, although being a GDI (God Damn Independent), I was buds with a few guys from the Teke house. That was a cluster - remember one spring where the pool was brown from all the drunk guys and chicks squirming around in the mud then jumping in. And remember that they would farm the frat out in the summer for tenants and spending the night there with - well - I won't elaborate but she was a honey.

Other than that, the frat system at WSU and across the US should just be F-ing eliminated. Bunch of entitled rich kids who think they can do whatever the F they want with no repercussions. Cuz Daddy will cover it for them.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Other than that, the frat system at WSU and across the US should just be F-ing eliminated. Bunch of entitled rich kids who think they can do whatever the F they want with no repercussions. Cuz Daddy will cover it for them.

Were the hot sorority girls off limits to the guys who either chose not to join or weren't invited to a fraternity (the GDI's as you called them)?

That would sound like the caste system in India with its rigid hierarchy

 

[95coug]

And gee, what does that tell you? That the whole frat was complicit?

Granted, although being a GDI (God Damn Independent), I was buds with a few guys from the Teke house. That was a cluster - remember one spring where the pool was brown from all the drunk guys and chicks squirming around in the mud then jumping in. And remember that they would farm the frat out in the summer for tenants and spending the night there with - well - I won't elaborate but she was a honey.

Other than that, the frat system at WSU and across the US should just be F-ing eliminated. Bunch of entitled rich kids who think they can do whatever the F they want with no repercussions. Cuz Daddy will cover it for them.

I've always figured half the point of college was to get on your own, grow up, figure out who you are and what you want to do with yourself. From my first day on campus, the whole Greek system seemed to work against that. Don't try to figure yourself out...come live with a group of people who will tell you what to do and how to act, and (especially in sororities) how to dress, who to date, how to do your hair/makeup, etc. And as an added bonus for the guys, you get to live in a dumpy house that smells of stale beer and piss.

Granted, I knew some people - both guys and girls - that it was really best they not try to think for themselves.

 

[LeachPack]

I was GDI but had a couple of good buds I partied with at their houses. Good times.

I don’t think you can condemn the house on the info we have. I think it’s societal. Something is going haywire with many young men in that age range. I have two friends whose sons committed suicide. That’s two too many. I’ve seen the disastrous effects of depression and anxiety in my own sons. Is social media to blame? Covid certainly didn’t help. You join a frat knowing that you’ll be hazed.

I don’t know where the blame lies and I don’t know the answers. I just know something is off/wrong. And that is tragic.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Were the hot sorority girls off limits to the guys who either chose not to join or weren't invited to a fraternity (the GDI's as you called them)?

That would sound like the caste system in India with its rigid hierarchy

Ooh Choppy. I forget - you didn't actually go to WSU, right?

I remember sitting in The Coug one afternoon with some buddies, and this chick in the Chi Omega house (right across the street) was upstairs with the curtains open changing clothes. She got down to bra and panties and then looked out the window and saw us staring at her! Needless to say the curtains quickly closed.

Another time in The Coug, me and some buddies were drawing lines on our table. The bar guy said "get that stuff off of here". We did, snort.

How the F i'm still alive is a mystery. Especially after all the wives I've - oops never mind

 

[PeteTheChop]

Ooh Choppy. I forget - you didn't actually go to WSU, right?

You are correct.

Didn't have the academic credentials or the financial means to attend WSU or any other major college or university.

Just a lowly T-shirt fan as they say 🤷‍♂️

 

[Observer11]

There’s a legal system in place to determine the facts around this.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

There’s a legal system in place to determine the facts around this.

Legal system around all the wives I've - Oops - or the poor young man's suicide?

 

[MikeFingLeach]

I was a PKT (Paul Allen house) from 2001-2004. Some of the best years of my life. Relationships that will last forever. Most highly successful family men.

Carry on.

 

[chugspig]

I was a PKT (Paul Allen house) from 2001-2004. Some of the best years of my life. Relationships that will last forever. Most highly successful family men.

Carry on.

My brothers buddy was there the same years. Met some guys, all cool.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I was GDI but had a couple of good buds I partied with at their houses. Good times.

I don’t think you can condemn the house on the info we have. I think it’s societal. Something is going haywire with many young men in that age range. I have two friends whose sons committed suicide. That’s two too many. I’ve seen the disastrous effects of depression and anxiety in my own sons. Is social media to blame? Covid certainly didn’t help. You join a frat knowing that you’ll be hazed.

I don’t know where the blame lies and I don’t know the answers. I just know something is off/wrong. And that is tragic.

Yeah my son suffered from depression. Still does to some extent. But hey, so do I, especially on a F-ing cold dreary day in YakiVegas today. 21 freaking degrees with no sun. And no current honey to warm me up. Gotta work on that. In the meantime, there is Coors Light.

 

[95coug]

Yeah my son suffered from depression. Still does to some extent. But hey, so do I, especially on a F-ing cold dreary day in YakiVegas today. 21 freaking degrees with no sun. And no current honey to warm me up. Gotta work on that. In the meantime, there is Coors Light.

One thing that should result from a WSU education is that one should not waste their time on Coors Light.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

One thing that should result from a WSU education is that one should not waste their time on Coors Light.

Hey I drink Coors Light because I like to drink (a lot) and it is low alcohol so I can drink more.. I had to get off the hard stuff because it caused problems. The expensive froofy beers? No thanks, although I will have a Blue Moon once in a while.

Edit - this thread is getting fun. Way better than all the political BS in some of them. Would like to hear more WSU stories from back in the day. One of my best was the Arizona game ('83?) back when students got in for free, and you could bring anything in as long as it wasn't glass. We brought in a 5 gallon gas can full of spodie-ody ( I am not shitting) and got our whole row wasted. But we ran out, so me and a buddie grabbed my nearby motorcycle at hafltime and ran to the liquor store for a half gallon of vodka to refuel. Needless to say I was puking after the game. I think they beat us 45-3 or something.

Again, how the F I am still alive is a mystery.

 

[95coug]

Hey I drink Coors Light because I like to drink (a lot) and it is low alcohol so I can drink more.. I had to get off the hard stuff because it caused problems. The expensive froofy beers? No thanks, although I will have a Blue Moon once in a while.

Edit - this thread is getting fun. Way better than all the political BS in some of them. Would like to hear more WSU stories from back in the day. One of my best was the Arizona game ('83?) back when students got in for free, and you could bring anything in as long as it wasn't glass. We brought in a 5 gallon gas can full of spodie-ody ( I am not shitting) and got our whole row wasted. But we ran out, so me and a buddie grabbed my nearby motorcycle at hafltime and ran to the liquor store for a half gallon of vodka to refuel. Needless to say I was puking after the game. I think they beat us 45-3 or something.

Again, how the F I am still alive is a mystery.

I barely drink at all anymore, because it all causes problems. I could probably do Coors Light, but I choose not to, because pissing isn't that much fun.

I may have some stories, but I have to look up the statute of limitations on a few things first.

 

[Coug90]

I'm sure all you frat rats will condemn me for this thread, but too bad. I forget whether Theta Chi is the "date rapers" or "wife beaters" frat (my ex was a sorority girl, so I know some of the nicknames), but never mind.

WTF. How can a 19 year old at WSU kill himself? F-you Theta Chi. Maybe I should go rogue and show up and shoot all you f-ers. That would be some hazing, eh?

Luke Tyler’s family release statement, which mentions alleged hazing

In a statement provided by Luke Tyler’s family they said they are working with authorities to determine why he committed suicide on Jan. 22 and mentioned alleged hazing at Theta Chi fraternity. “As we are preparing for Luke Tyler’s Celebration of Life, we continue to be grateful for the immense...

dailyevergreen.com

My son won’t be in a frat. He’s an impressionable kid and will do whatever to please those around him so would be a bad situation if kids were pressuring him into drinking or anything else. Sad deal, doesn’t need to be that way but unfortunately that’s what you get. I’ve got nothing against people who enjoyed Greek life but no doubt it can be dangerous for some kids.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I'm sure all you frat rats will condemn me for this thread, but too bad. I forget whether Theta Chi is the "date rapers" or "wife beaters" frat (my ex was a sorority girl, so I know some of the nicknames), but never mind.

WTF. How can a 19 year old at WSU kill himself? F-you Theta Chi. Maybe I should go rogue and show up and shoot all you f-ers. That would be some hazing, eh?

Luke Tyler’s family release statement, which mentions alleged hazing

In a statement provided by Luke Tyler’s family they said they are working with authorities to determine why he committed suicide on Jan. 22 and mentioned alleged hazing at Theta Chi fraternity. “As we are preparing for Luke Tyler’s Celebration of Life, we continue to be grateful for the immense...

dailyevergreen.com

He was taking antidepressants.

I'm not defending hazing or the greek system, but shouldn't that be a consideration? Further, Wellbutrin is known for suicidal thoughts being a side effect, especially in teens/ young people.

Regardless, its a tragic loss and I hope this family can find healing.

 

[250vertical]

Hey I drink Coors Light because I like to drink (a lot) and it is low alcohol so I can drink more.. I had to get off the hard stuff because it caused problems. The expensive froofy beers? No thanks, although I will have a Blue Moon once in a while.

Edit - this thread is getting fun. Way better than all the political BS in some of them. Would like to hear more WSU stories from back in the day. One of my best was the Arizona game ('83?) back when students got in for free, and you could bring anything in as long as it wasn't glass. We brought in a 5 gallon gas can full of spodie-ody ( I am not shitting) and got our whole row wasted. But we ran out, so me and a buddie grabbed my nearby motorcycle at hafltime and ran to the liquor store for a half gallon of vodka to refuel. Needless to say I was puking after the game. I think they beat us 45-3 or something.

Again, how the F I am still alive is a mystery.

Sounds like you did not need to be influenced or hazed in a fraternity to damn near kill yourself. I have the same to report as you. I think fraternities and sororities are great for some. They love it and have great friendships and memories all of their lives. It's a choice. You don't have to join a fraternity, but some individuals I have met over the years were intimidated by rush, and now are jealous, and feel excluded when the subject of fraternities comes up. Ask the endowment association folks about the loyalty and contributions from Greek alums vs. independents.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Sounds like you did not need to be influenced or hazed in a fraternity to damn near kill yourself. I have the same to report as you. I think fraternities and sororities are great for some. They love it and have great friendships and memories all of their lives. It's a choice. You don't have to join a fraternity, but some individuals I have met over the years were intimidated by rush, and now are jealous, and feel excluded when the subject of fraternities comes up. Ask the endowment association folks about the loyalty and contributions from Greek alums vs. independents.

I don't know what an "endowment association" is, but I assume you mean the WSU Foundation. And yep, greeks tend to be from money, so they are already set coming in. Then Daddy's connections get them cherry jobs and off they go, after partying with their date raping buds for 4 years.

I'm not jealous. I had great times (and willing girls too) at WSU, and have done pretty well in life. Anyway, it is just sad to see a Coug end their life at 19. Goddam it.

 

[Observer11]

I don't know what an "endowment association" is, but I assume you mean the WSU Foundation. And yep, greeks tend to be from money, so they are already set coming in. Then Daddy's connections get them cherry jobs and off they go, after partying with their date raping buds for 4 years.

I'm not jealous. I had great times (and willing girls too) at WSU, and have done pretty well in life. Anyway, it is just sad to see a Coug end their life at 19. Goddam it.

You live in a fantasy world of generalizations, my friend.

 

[spongeandshoot]

He was taking antidepressants.

I'm not defending hazing or the greek system, but shouldn't that be a consideration? Further, Wellbutrin is known for suicidal thoughts being a side effect, especially in teens/ young people.

Regardless, its a tragic loss and I hope this family can find healing.

Excellent point.

These things are handed out like they are Flintstone's vitamins. Your girl dumped you? Here have some Prozac etc

There was a somewhat famous case where a kid was put on anti depressants...then went and killed his parents and doesn't remember it. ..and the family came to his defense because he wasn't at all violent.

He was acquitted (iirc) because of that and the label on his particular medicine did say it can cause suicidal thoughts ( I think it was Zoloft of celexa)

In any case, you make a good point. And further, most of these kids that are shooting up schools and what not are on this over prescribed bullshit.

So yes, they can certainly exacerbate the original problem.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I was a GDI at WSU and didn't have the means or the inclination to be involved in the Greek system although I partied along and near Greek Row at times.

My son was an SAE at Wichita State and I can say that it's a much different fraternity than the one at WSU. Definitely not the elitist group that I perceived the SAE's at Wazzu to be. My daughter is in Sigma Kappa at the Colorado School of Mines and it's a very academically oriented sorority due to the school its located at.

Not all frats and sororities fall into the stereotypes.

 

[spongeandshoot]

I don't know what an "endowment association" is, but I assume you mean the WSU Foundation. And yep, greeks tend to be from money, so they are already set coming in. Then Daddy's connections get them cherry jobs and off they go, after partying with their date raping buds for 4 years.

I'm not jealous. I had great times (and willing girls too) at WSU, and have done pretty well in life. Anyway, it is just sad to see a Coug end their life at 19. Goddam it.

You pretty much just called half this board date rapists.

 

[95coug]

You pretty much just called half this board date rapists.

Well, by the modern definition….

Did you get express, positive consent prior to every time you touched a girl? Every time you touched a different part or removed clothing? And if you did, are you absolutely sure that she was in full possession of her faculties and fully able to make that choice?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

You pretty much just called half this board date rapists.

Well, am I wrong?

 

[spongeandshoot]

Well, am I wrong?

No dude...you are 100% correct.

Is that a serious question?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

No dude...you are 100% correct.

Is that a serious question?

When I move to Costa Rica, we need to get really drunk together. Like the old RV parking days!

 

[spongeandshoot]

When I move to Costa Rica, we need to get really drunk together. Like the old RV parking days!

I was actually thinking about that when you guys were talking about Coors Light.

I don't drink that in Seattle because the bars don't have it...but the bar I go to has a dedicated refrigerator that keeps it 1 degree above freezing.. and it gave me a new appreciation for it

Plus you would like the women down here.

Buy them a Blue Moon and you're golden

 

[CougEd]

I don't know what an "endowment association" is, but I assume you mean the WSU Foundation. And yep, greeks tend to be from money, so they are already set coming in. Then Daddy's connections get them cherry jobs and off they go, after partying with their date raping buds for 4 years.

I'm not jealous. I had great times (and willing girls too) at WSU, and have done pretty well in life. Anyway, it is just sad to see a Coug end their life at 19. Goddam it.

LC....we need to clean up some of your language. First, saying "willing girls" makes it sound like you are Jerry Lee Lewis heading to his cousins 14th birthday party. The moment they can go off to war, is the moment they are women.

Second, I could strap on my full blown head gear I wore in 8th grade, the one that makes you look like Darth Vader, walk into the Down Under at 1245 on Dime Beer Night and have your kind of success.

I was a GDI, and I will tell you there was nothing better than going to a Frat party, pay a buck for a red solo cup and free drink tickets and get a date with one of their guests. I enjoyed how I lived my life in Pullman.

I think it is so 1970's your stereo types. The kids I have met through my kids are great kids, and that is current. They are not spoon fed. Yes, there are connections they will always have because they are in a frat. Sort of like a networking group.

It is sad the kid passed away and that if there is culpability they should pay a price.

But if a kid falls out of a dorm window , should the dorm be responsible and would you make the same comments in terms of generalizations?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Second, I could strap on my full blown head gear I wore in 8th grade, the one that makes you look like Darth Vader, walk into the Down Under at 1245 on Dime Beer Night and have your kind of success.

Dime beers at the Down Under. Good times......

 

[Stretch 74]

Dime beers at the Down Under. Good times......

The Down Under was on our regular route. Had a great jukebox playing the oldies. Only one better was the one at The Alley in Moscow that had songs like Beep Beep, Alley Oop, Purple People Eater, Johnny B. Goode, etc. Alley also had the best Happy Hour on the west coast-two pitchers for $1.50 from 11:00 am until 7:00 Pm on Fridays!

 

[Loyal Coug1]

The Down Under was on our regular route. Had a great jukebox playing the oldies. Only one better was the one at The Alley in Moscow that had songs like Beep Beep, Alley Oop, Purple People Eater, Johnny B. Goode, etc. Alley also had the best Happy Hour on the west coast-two pitchers for $1.50 from 11:00 am until 7:00 Pm on Fridays!

John's Alley? Not sure if I went there. Was that the place sort of by the fire station? Maybe it was Mort's Club? The place I could get in at 18 and not get carded. Oh Gawd, so many memories. Nick at the Nobby Inn. Damn his drinks were strong. The Dispensary - remember Rail playing there, and some band named Blue Sky. That singer had some pipes. And some other band where they sang Foreigner's "Women" and the singer had a mannequin on stage with a riding crop no less.

The Capricorn, always good for a possible beating by some redneck. And damn it, I remembered the name in another thread, the big bar at the south side of Moscow. 2 bars, bands on the weekend. Got into a fight there one night. And the little dive next to it that I believe had/has ping pong tables.

I remember that on a Saturday night you could hit 3 of the above-mentioned places and have live music at each one. Can you get live music at any place these days?

Then the 1AM Gauntlet from Moscow to Pullman. Cops just lined up waiting to give DUI's. Hey Occifer, which one do you want to pull over? Result will be the same......

Even the Down Under had bands. How I still am alive I just don't know. And the late night happy hour , 10-11, at that hotel/restaurant just east of the viaduct. It was like 2 for $1.25 hard drinks or something crazy like that.

 

[kougkurt]

There was a dirt road between Pullman and Moscow I would take to avoid police when returning from Idaho. One night after way too many drinks I rolled my truck and totaled it. When the police showed up he didn’t even mention alcohol. Guess he thought I learned my lesson. Should be dead.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

There was a dirt road between Pullman and Moscow I would take to avoid police when returning from Idaho. One night after way too many drinks I rolled my truck and totaled it. When the police showed up he didn’t even mention alcohol. Guess he thought I learned my lesson. Should be dead.

Which one? On the east side by Rat's, the one that went past the UI golf course, or the one on the westside that ended up by the airport? All of which were gravel BTW, but you could turn off of the westside on onto dirt and eventually end up on the Palouse Highway.

Knew 'em all well.

 

[kougkurt]

Which one? On the east side by Rat's, the one that went past the UI golf course, or the one on the westside that ended up by the airport? All of which were gravel BTW, but you could turn off of the westside on onto dirt and eventually end up on the Palouse Highway.

Knew 'em all well.

By Rat’s

 

[Stretch 74]

John's Alley? Not sure if I went there. Was that the place sort of by the fire station? Maybe it was Mort's Club? The place I could get in at 18 and not get carded. Oh Gawd, so many memories. Nick at the Nobby Inn. Damn his drinks were strong. The Dispensary - remember Rail playing there, and some band named Blue Sky. That singer had some pipes. And some other band where they sang Foreigner's "Women" and the singer had a mannequin on stage with a riding crop no less.

The Capricorn, always good for a possible beating by some redneck. And damn it, I remembered the name in another thread, the big bar at the south side of Moscow. 2 bars, bands on the weekend. Got into a fight there one night. And the little dive next to it that I believe had/has ping pong tables.

I remember that on a Saturday night you could hit 3 of the above-mentioned places and have live music at each one. Can you get live music at any place these days?

Then the 1AM Gauntlet from Moscow to Pullman. Cops just lined up waiting to give DUI's. Hey Occifer, which one do you want to pull over? Result will be the same......

Even the Down Under had bands. How I still am alive I just don't know. And the late night happy hour , 10-11, at that hotel/restaurant just east of the viaduct. It was like 2 for $1.25 hard drinks or something crazy like that.

I only knew it as The Alley. It was on a side street, and it was right next to the alley that paralleled the main street with Hotel Moscow, The Spruce, and another place that I think is the Mexican restaurant today. Definitely not Mort's Club, we went in there for some good pool and foosball games. Ratskellers was the big place out of town with two bars and good weekend bands.

The Ram and Down Under were main haunts in Pullman, but senior year was mostly Rico's and Charlie Browns/Angus Og's since we lived on State Street right behind Safeway and would walk down there Wed and Thurs late evenings for their late night Happy Hours for a pitcher or two before hitting the rack.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I only knew it as The Alley. It was on a side street, and it was right next to the alley that paralleled the main street with Hotel Moscow, The Spruce, and another place that I think is the Mexican restaurant today. Definitely not Mort's Club, we went in there for some good pool and foosball games. Ratskellers was the big place out of town with two bars and good weekend bands.

The Ram and Down Under were main haunts in Pullman, but senior year was mostly Rico's and Charlie Browns/Angus Og's since we lived on State Street right behind Safeway and would walk down there Wed and Thurs late evenings for their late night Happy Hours for a pitcher or two before hitting the rack.

Why is my liver starting to swell and hurt as we reminisce?