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It’s over for WSU. Unless Chun has aces up his sleeve. Which I don’t think he does.

The best thing WSU could do is hire Moos to identify, approach and contract businesses for WSU athletes to work with.

In other news, SMU pulled a 5 star wide receiver away from OU.

Miami and SMU are gonna have something to say about their local talent leaving.
 
So half a mil. As long as scholarship limits stay in place, kids have to play somewhere.
 
So half a mil. As long as scholarship limits stay in place, kids have to play somewhere.

Agree. Schools cannot have an unlimited roster.

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. Kids will need a place to play. They will also ask how much NIL money your team is making. It will have an effect on the talent you get. Saying otherwise is burying your head in the sand.
 
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I had previously posted that in five years, college sports as we know it will implode.

I was wrong by four years. It won't take that long.
 
Scholarships are irrelevant. Just NIL some kid for whatever he wants and have him "pay his own way".

Good news for being in full compliance with title nine. No football scholarships balances the scholarship $ equally. In theory….
 
Funny. I remember a poster saying that NIL was going to result in recruiting schemes like the whole roster getting paid, or all starters, since that lets recruits know they get paid no matter what if they go there, even without the "recruit" getting anything. He mentioned something the first day this talk started about Knight putting up a billboard in Eugene and paying everyone in the 2-deeps to be on it, and wondering what recruit wouldn't want a piece of that. Weird, can't remember who that guy was.
 
It’s over for WSU. Unless Chun has aces up his sleeve. Which I don’t think he does.

The best thing WSU could do is hire Moos to identify, approach and contract businesses for WSU athletes to work with.

In other news, SMU pulled a 5 star wide receiver away from OU.

Miami and SMU are gonna have something to say about their local talent leaving.
I think schools like SMU, and maybe some others like Houston, UCF, SDSU, Memphis, etc., have more to gain from NIL than anyone. G of 5 schools in sizeable metro areas, and especially those in really large metro areas with alumni with a lot of money (e.g., SMU). That's not to say that they're going to become recruiting powerhouses, only that they have more to gain than anyone, with those gains largely coming at the expense of rural P5s without wealthy alumni bases or with tightfisted alumni.
 
I think schools like SMU, and maybe some others like Houston, UCF, SDSU, Memphis, etc., have more to gain from NIL than anyone. G of 5 schools in sizeable metro areas, and especially those in really large metro areas with alumni with a lot of money (e.g., SMU). That's not to say that they're going to become recruiting powerhouses, only that they have more to gain than anyone, with those gains largely coming at the expense of rural P5s without wealthy alumni bases or with tightfisted alumni.

It could be tough to get kids out of CA and away from Fresno State, SDSU, etc. Staying close to home and making $$ or more $$ than going to OSU or WSU could be a prob.
 
As Biggs, Observer, others have said, the absolute reality, is this is going to have a BIG affect on who WSU types can get, recruit.

To those who would say that "It wont affect WSU, because WSU doesnt get 3.5 stars, 4 stars, and only gets 2.5 stars, 3 stars at best", is wrong, and here why.

That woukd have been true, if this had happened back in the 60's, 70's, even 80's. But now this is not the case.

Now the reason why some think that this wont affect WSU, is because they only look at Walden, Paul Wulf, etc, WA, recruiting, and dont look at recruiting by Erickson, Price, Leach in the So Cal, and other areas around the country.

Kyle Smith, Erickson, Price, Leach, have proven for both Football, and Bball, that IF your a good salesperson, good recruiter, and IF your willing to goto the moon, other places like So Cal, around the country, world, and if willing to make a LOT of Offers, that will get a LOT of No's, that you will get enough yes's, that WSU would, will recruit 3.5 star, 4 star recruits just fine in both Football, and Bball.

Most of the MODERN successful WSU coaches have done that with Bennet, being a exception.

But this NIL thing is going to stop WSU from getting 3.5 stars, 4 stars, even if WSU had PERFECT recruiters, etc.

But there is one thing that WSU can maybe do to fight, deal with this

1. Get a near perfect recruiting specialist coach, whose job is to be the ACE recruiter on staff. That person wont coach, even tho they may be called coach.

2. Have a NIL specialist recruiting specialist coach that like the ACE recruiter.

A. This, that person will be in charge of: 1. WSU Football Sports, BBall sports Marketing 2.Using Social Media, internet WSU Sports Website EFFECTIVELY to do #1 above and other things. 3. To coordinate, pitch, recruit businesses to offer NIL deals to WSU recruits(Signee's)players. 4. without lying, communicate that there is a lot of NIL money for some players, recruits, etc.

3. Get a good enough Head Coach to:

4. Have 3, 8+,9+ win seasons in a row, with at least 1 NY6 Bowl.

5. Sign 2, Top 39 Recruiting Classes in a row.

IF IF IF WSU does that for football, then WSU might survive the NIL thing.

It will take about 2,3 years for the NIL thing to take FULL EFFECT, meaning to cause WSU types to not get 3.5, 4 stars.

If WSU does what I outlined above for Football, within the next 2,3 years, before NIL ramps up to Full Affect, then WSU will be ok, and still able ti get 3 star, 3.5 star, 4 star recruits.

IF WSU doesnt, and worse if WSU has a 0, 1,2,3 win season within the.next 2,3 years, then WSU would only get 2 star, 2 5vstar recruits, and within 1,2,3 years would see a return to the Paul Wulf type seasons, year after year, and WSU woukd become like Ore St was in the 60's,70's, etc, for 13 to 23 years, which would probably cause WSU to be booted out of Pac 12, into either Big Sky, or Mountain West, eventually.

But if WSU does what it needs to do, WSU will be ok. But will WSU do what it needs to do? I give avout a 39% chance to 43% chance of that happening.

In Bball. WSU can easily be just fine.

Kyle Smith is set to have a 18,19 to 22,23 win season, NIT DEEP run/NCAA 2nd round elimination, 7,th,8th,9th seed, 4th,5th,6th,7th, in conference. 1,2 wins in Pac 12 Tourny, 9-9,10-8,11-7 in conference, another, 3rd Top 40 recruiting class, followed by a even better seeason, a 4th Top 40 class.

If WSU has the right recruiters, specialist, marketers, NIL people, WSU Bball can easily have 4 to 6 to 8 AWESOME seasons in a row, 3 to 5 to 7 AWESOME recruiting classes in a row, and become a BBALL college, that can easily do well enough on the NIL front in BBall, to KEEP ON recruit 3 stars,3.5 stars, 4 stars, and KEEP ON having AWESOME seasons year after year semi consistently.

But Basketball is far enough aheas of the 2,3 year curve that, before NIL hits full effect.

Football unfortunately isnt.

My prediction is that WSU football even if have a good Doba like 10-3,season, will probably within the next 2,3,4 years, eventually go down the toilet.

But I predict Bball will probably be just fine

Hope my prediction about WSU football is wrong.

NIL is probably going to be bad for WSU football eventually
 
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Funny. I remember a poster saying that NIL was going to result in recruiting schemes like the whole roster getting paid, or all starters, since that lets recruits know they get paid no matter what if they go there, even without the "recruit" getting anything. He mentioned something the first day this talk started about Knight putting up a billboard in Eugene and paying everyone in the 2-deeps to be on it, and wondering what recruit wouldn't want a piece of that. Weird, can't remember who that guy was.
It was me. Only I used Alabama rather than Oregon.

You're welcome.
 
As Biggs, Observer, others have said, the absolute reality, is this is going to have a BIG affect on who WSU types can get, recruit.
Wouldn't the comparatively low cost of living help WSU since $1,000 per player would go a lot further in Pullman than in LA, Austin, Phoenix, Seattle and so on?

Once the new IPF is up and running, maybe Mr. Chun could redirect booster donations to compensate players as well as in-coming recruits?

Creativity could go a long way toward leveling the playing field for all schools
 
Could CAF be possibly be impacted?

For example, let's take Brad Brotherton, owner of Brotherton Cadillac. Let's say he owns several dealerships. He jumps on the NIL bandwagon, and executes a similar compensation campaign as the Miami Hurricanes donor.

Let's say Brad typical donates $500K a year to CAF. However, he's now shifted his money towards his NIL campaign, thus significantly reduces his CAF donation.

Could this actually happen, which jeopardizes the CAF (donation) revenue?
 
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Wouldn't the comparatively low cost of living help WSU since $1,000 per player would go a lot further in Pullman than in LA, Austin, Phoenix, Seattle and so on?

Once the new IPF is up and running, maybe Mr. Chun could redirect booster donations to compensate players as well as in-coming recruits?

Creativity could go a long way toward leveling the playing field for all schools
You are counting on WSU to be creative. There is 100 years of it not happening. Don’t hold your breath.
 
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Could CAF be possibly be impacted?

For example, let's take Brad Brotherton, owner of Brotherton Cadillac. Let's say he owns several dealerships. He jumps on the NIL bandwagon, and executes a similar compensation campaign as the Miami Hurricanes donor.

Let's say Brad typical donates $500K a year to CAF. However, he's now shifted his money towards his NIL campaign, thus significantly reduces his CAF donation.

Could this actually happen, which jeopardizes the CAF (donation) revenue?
It will happen. Why donate to the school? Donate to the players to either keep them there or get them there.
 
Could CAF be possibly be impacted?

For example, let's take Brad Brotherton, owner of Brotherton Cadillac. Let's say he owns several dealerships. He jumps on the NIL bandwagon, and executes a similar compensation campaign as the Miami Hurricanes donor.

Let's say Brad typical donates $500K a year to CAF. However, he's now shifted his money towards his NIL campaign, thus significantly reduces his CAF donation.

Could this actually happen, which jeopardizes the CAF (donation) revenue?
Of course. I don't think it will happen at scale, given the nature of WSU's donors, but it probably will elsewhere. If a donor had $100k to drop on a donation to the athletic fund, it isn't crazy to prefer that it be used to land a high 4-star at a position of need than to get one's name on a brick in some facilities everyone else has. Same rationale applies to smaller dollar amounts, and perhaps even more so.

Also, I'm not an accountant, but consider whether a business putting Johnny 5-Star on a billboard is a business expense taken right out of profits at tax time, whereas a donation to the CAF may be deductible, which effectively makes it, say, 35 cents on the dollar depending on one's effective tax rate.
 
There is only so much money to go around. Currently, WSU hasn't been able to get the cost of scholarships covered by donations. I fail to see new money materializing to pay the players plus have more money to cover the athletics scholarships. No amount of creativity can make money appear out of nowhere.
 
It’s over for WSU. Unless Chun has aces up his sleeve. Which I don’t think he does.

The best thing WSU could do is hire Moos to identify, approach and contract businesses for WSU athletes to work with.

In other news, SMU pulled a 5 star wide receiver away from OU.

Miami and SMU are gonna have something to say about their local talent leaving.
Why the pay cut ?
 
Currently, WSU hasn't been able to get the cost of scholarships covered by donations. I fail to see new money materializing to pay the players plus have more money to cover the athletics scholarships. No amount of creativity can make money appear out of nowhere.
A lot of people were skeptical about building a "state of the art" IPF to replace the inflatable bubble, but Dr. Schultz himself said in a Brand X interview that fundraising is going very well and ground could be broken soon.

Mr. Chun seems to be pretty skilled at getting loyal Cougs to open their wallets to move WSU athletics forward.
 
The best thing WSU could do is hire Moos to identify, approach and contract businesses for WSU athletes to work with.
Can you imagine Mr. Chun with his modern analytics and Mr. Moos with his Cougar Connections and folksy charm tag-teaming the big-money boosters?

Good idea Biggs.
 
What happens when Phil Knight calls the #1 recruit and says…. “I have a $250,000 advertising job I’d like you to consider. Your photo in UO gear would hang in Times Square for a week. You will gain news coverage around the nation. You can have your IG name on the banner to gain followers. Job is yours if you sign with UO.”
 
What happens when Phil Knight calls the #1 recruit and says…. “I have a $250,000 advertising job I’d like you to consider. Your photo in UO gear would hang in Times Square for a week. You will gain news coverage around the nation. You can have your IG name on the banner to gain followers. Job is yours if you sign with UO.”

You are already close to being right. Read the news today on the deal struck between Nike and Thibodeaux.
 
What happens when Phil Knight calls the #1 recruit and says…. “I have a $250,000 advertising job I’d like you to consider. Your photo in UO gear would hang in Times Square for a week. You will gain news coverage around the nation. You can have your IG name on the banner to gain followers. Job is yours if you sign with UO.”
technically, there can't be a quid pro pro... but we all know how well the rules are followed in the ncaa.
 
You are already close to being right. Read the news today on the deal struck between Nike and Thibodeaux.
And a 6 figure memorabilia deal. It’s over for small market teams with small budgets.

Impose a roster limit of 85. Cut the scholarships to 60.

What we have now is signing bonuses for high schools kids, sponsorship deals for current kids and a transfer portal that can poach your talent at any time. At least the NY Yankees have to wait for a guy’s contract to expire before they can throw money at him. Now a kid could play 3 games, walk off the team and into the portal and have a new school, sponsorship deals and cash in hand by Christmas.

College football is now pro football. NCAA is over.
 
And a 6 figure memorabilia deal. It’s over for small market teams with small budgets.

Impose a roster limit of 85. Cut the scholarships to 60.

What we have now is signing bonuses for high schools kids, sponsorship deals for current kids and a transfer portal that can poach your talent at any time. At least the NY Yankees have to wait for a guy’s contract to expire before they can throw money at him. Now a kid could play 3 games, walk off the team and into the portal and have a new school, sponsorship deals and cash in hand by Christmas.

College football is now pro football. NCAA is over.
This. The NCAA is going to have to get creative or CFB is going to become a joke. It already was getting stupid with the portal this is just fuel to the fire now. Limiting scholarships and trimming rosters would be a start.
 
This. The NCAA is going to have to get creative or CFB is going to become a joke. It already was getting stupid with the portal this is just fuel to the fire now. Limiting scholarships and trimming rosters would be a start.

I feel if you limit the scholarships but not the roster you have kids that walk on and pay their own way from sponsorship deals. Why take the scholarship? Leave it for another guy. Run up 85 scholarship kids and another 40 with deals enough to pay their own way.

Imagine Oregon signing 25 kids in a class and another 25 to sponsorship deals. Then SC, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, ASU, etc all do the same thing….

This is the end of college football. It’s pro now with no roster limit, no salary cap and the best paying teams can bring in as many kids as they want to keep talent away from other schools… oh and they can poach kids from other schools in the portal. What a joke.
 
I feel if you limit the scholarships but not the roster you have kids that walk on and pay their own way from sponsorship deals. Why take the scholarship? Leave it for another guy. Run up 85 scholarship kids and another 40 with deals enough to pay their own way.

Imagine Oregon signing 25 kids in a class and another 25 to sponsorship deals. Then SC, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, ASU, etc all do the same thing….

This is the end of college football. It’s pro now with no roster limit, no salary cap and the best paying teams can bring in as many kids as they want to keep talent away from other schools… oh and they can poach kids from other schools in the portal. What a joke.

The only way for WSU to deal with this is:

1. Have a Leach like system coach, that can win with a system that is gimmicky, that other colleges dont use, so that when recruit to that system, not recruiting the same kids to that system.

2. Have that system be like Price's 1 Back, 3,4 WR, 1 TE, Spread Passing offense, like the Run and Shoot, like the Air Raid, a system that can work with 2 stars vs 5 stars.

3. Have a NIL Specialist

4. Have a ACE recruiting specialist.

5. Have a system, recruiting strategy that can survive having your best star players being poached as if team is a farm team.

6. Be the best FARM team in the country.

7. Focus on Sophmore, Junior Transfers, and JC transfers like KSU used to do, as HS kids will be 2 star recruits, take too long to develop, then poached when developed.

8. Win 8+, 9+, games, for next 1,2,3 years, and have at least 1 NY 6 Bowl within 2,3 years.

IF WSU can do those things, then WSU football can survive, be ok.

If Not WSU will be like Ore St in tbe 50's, 60's, 70's, and will eventually either voluntarily leave Pac 12 and goto either Big Sky, or Mountain West, or get BOOTED out of Pac 12 into either Big Sky, Mountain West.

I predict that WSU wont be able to do what it needs to do to survive this.

As Biggs said, WSU has a 100 uear history of voluntarily not doing the things it needs to do that it could have easily done.

So I predict that in about 3 to 8 to 13 years WSU will not survive in football, and will go down tiolet, not be in Pac 12, because of the NIL issue, and not doing the things that it needed to do that can be done.

Hope I am wrong. But logically, logistically, dont think I am.
 
Time to find a
I feel if you limit the scholarships but not the roster you have kids that walk on and pay their own way from sponsorship deals. Why take the scholarship? Leave it for another guy. Run up 85 scholarship kids and another 40 with deals enough to pay their own way.

Imagine Oregon signing 25 kids in a class and another 25 to sponsorship deals. Then SC, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, ASU, etc all do the same thing….

This is the end of college football. It’s pro now with no roster limit, no salary cap and the best paying teams can bring in as many kids as they want to keep talent away from other schools… oh and they can poach kids from other schools in the portal. What a joke.

I feel if you limit the scholarships but not the roster you have kids that walk on and pay their own way from sponsorship deals. Why take the scholarship? Leave it for another guy. Run up 85 scholarship kids and another 40 with deals enough to pay their own way.

Imagine Oregon signing 25 kids in a class and another 25 to sponsorship deals. Then SC, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, ASU, etc all do the same thing….

This is the end of college football. It’s pro now with no roster limit, no salary cap and the best paying teams can bring in as many kids as they want to keep talent away from other schools… oh and they can poach kids from other schools in the portal. What a joke.
I’m really kicking myself for not going to the Alamo Bowl. That very well could be the last WSU team to ever be a playoff contender.
 
The only way for WSU to deal with this is:

1. Have a Leach like system coach, that can win with a system that is gimmicky, that other colleges dont use, so that when recruit to that system, not recruiting the same kids to that system.

2. Have that system be like Price's 1 Back, 3,4 WR, 1 TE, Spread Passing offense, like the Run and Shoot, like the Air Raid, a system that can work with 2 stars vs 5 stars.

3. Have a NIL Specialist

4. Have a ACE recruiting specialist.

5. Have a system, recruiting strategy that can survive having your best star players being poached as if team is a farm team.

6. Be the best FARM team in the country.

7. Focus on Sophmore, Junior Transfers, and JC transfers like KSU used to do, as HS kids will be 2 star recruits, take too long to develop, then poached when developed.

8. Win 8+, 9+, games, for next 1,2,3 years, and have at least 1 NY 6 Bowl within 2,3 years.

IF WSU can do those things, then WSU football can survive, be ok.

If Not WSU will be like Ore St in tbe 50's, 60's, 70's, and will eventually either voluntarily leave Pac 12 and goto either Big Sky, or Mountain West, or get BOOTED out of Pac 12 into either Big Sky, Mountain West.

I predict that WSU wont be able to do what it needs to do to survive this.

As Biggs said, WSU has a 100 uear history of voluntarily not doing the things it needs to do that it could have easily done.

So I predict that in about 3 to 8 to 13 years WSU will not survive in football, and will go down tiolet, not be in Pac 12, because of the NIL issue, and not doing the things that it needed to do that can be done.

Hope I am wrong. But logically, logistically, dont think I am.

WSU gets 3 star kids. I don’t expect WSU to be in the mix for a class of 4 star kids. They never have been, sure as hell arent going to be now.

What concerns me is the 3 star kids being high on the board for Fresno, San Jose, UNLV and SDSU. Those are metro areas. They have $ there. Kids can stay “home” and play ball and make $.

What is WSU gonna do to counter????

Let’s say Rolo gets his #1 qb target to verbal. UNLV rolls in with a casino billboard offer. Now what?
 
And NIL is just the beginning, as our wonderful 6-3 Conservative Supreme Court Ruled that IN ADDITION TO NIL, the NCAA, Colleges have to pay each athlete, and one supreme court justice said as a example that a certain % of what the NCAA, Colleges take in, SPLIT among all athletes is about $333k per athlete.

The court will also likely rule that there cant be limits, meaning that if Alabama want to pay each athlete 1 mil each, and WSU can only pay the minimum of 165k, to 333k orvwhatever the minimum would be, then that would be ok to the Supreme Court.

And if the NCAA trys to respond by limiting roster size, number of schollys, number of athletes that a college can recruit, sign, pay, etc, then I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court would rule that cant be limits on roster size, no scholly limits, and that colleges can recruit, sign, pay as much as want, can afford.

All that combined with the Transfer Portal, means that WSU types, and College Football Have nots are DOOMED, and that Alabama types will NEVER EVER LOSE, and WSU types, have nots will never ever win.

College Football will be, IS DOOMED.
 
WSU gets 3 star kids. I don’t expect WSU to be in the mix for a class of 4 star kids. They never have been, sure as hell arent going to be now.

What concerns me is the 3 star kids being high on the board for Fresno, San Jose, UNLV and SDSU. Those are metro areas. They have $ there. Kids can stay “home” and play ball and make $.

What is WSU gonna do to counter????

Let’s say Rolo gets his #1 qb target to verbal. UNLV rolls in with a casino billboard offer. Now what?

WSU pre NIL, wasnt, didnt get classes full of 3.5 stars, 4 stars.

BUT under Erickson, Price, Leach. WSU got about 1,2,3 NR, 1.75 stars, 2,3,4 2 stars, 5 to 10 3 stars, 5 to 10 3.5 stars, and 1,2,3,4 4 stars, in a class of 25 per class of 25 per year, on average, with exceptions some years.

Under NIL, WSU wont get even 1 3.5 star, 1, 4 star per year.

And even getting 3 stars would be rare.

And WSU would only get 2.5 stars at best under NIL, after NIL gets going after 1,2,3 years.

WSU doesnt need a LOT of 3.5 stars, 4 stars, but even losing only just 1 3.5 star or only just 1 4 star would hurt.

Imagine WSU not getting Gabe Marks, a 4 star becauae of NIL and how that would hurt WSU.
 
WSU gets 3 star kids. I don’t expect WSU to be in the mix for a class of 4 star kids. They never have been, sure as hell arent going to be now.

What concerns me is the 3 star kids being high on the board for Fresno, San Jose, UNLV and SDSU. Those are metro areas. They have $ there. Kids can stay “home” and play ball and make $.

What is WSU gonna do to counter????

Let’s say Rolo gets his #1 qb target to verbal. UNLV rolls in with a casino billboard offer. Now what?
I sincerely hope it is not that simple, though I fear it will be. I am far more afraid of becoming a school that operates as a farm system for other schools because of the portal then I am about recruiting. I may be in the minority but I have to believe there will be some limitations to the new landscape. I certainly don’t see any now, but there is no way the money, gratuities, and offers will be tied directly to recruiting. Granted it is certainly going to push some of the upper echelon recruits to consider this when choosing a school, but I have a terribly hard time believing that we will miss out on a lot of our recruiting targets because of the prospect of getting $500 extra dollars a month in an advertising deal, when 80% off the kids we recruit would not sniff that anywhere. I get all of the excitement over the change and I have anxiety too.. I just don’t think it torpedoes our football program. Adjustments will need to be made certainly, but our 2/3 star kids are not skipping along to other colleges because of all the money being thrown their way… Moist of these deals are a few extra dollars that will help a kid live comfortably in college and maybe squirrel a few dollars away for a rainy day. The truly significant dollars are reserved for a few and we aren’t recruiting those kids anyway.
 
WSU pre NIL, wasnt, didnt get classes full of 3.5 stars, 4 stars.

BUT under Erickson, Price, Leach. WSU got about 1,2,3 NR, 1.75 stars, 2,3,4 2 stars, 5 to 10 3 stars, 5 to 10 3.5 stars, and 1,2,3,4 4 stars, in a class of 25 per class of 25 per year, on average, with exceptions some years.

Under NIL, WSU wont get even 1 3.5 star, 1, 4 star per year.

And even getting 3 stars would be rare.

And WSU would only get 2.5 stars at best under NIL, after NIL gets going after 1,2,3 years.

WSU doesnt need a LOT of 3.5 stars, 4 stars, but even losing only just 1 3.5 star or only just 1 4 star would hurt.

Imagine WSU not getting Gabe Marks, a 4 star becauae of NIL and how that would hurt WSU.
Stop with this bullshit star system youve made up. Its ridiculous.
 
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