Falk's throw to Marks was NFL caliber

[SCglory]

both throw and catch. Stellar. Former ucla qb Tom Ramsey (doing the color for the P12 network) said so and he's right. That was as good as it gets.
Yes, the cougar's special teams are at the HS level, and yes, Leach is a poor playcaller at times, but that throw and catch deserve to be in the all-time cougar highlight reel, along with that amazing catch by Chris Jackson against 2 husky DBs in the 97 AC

 

[Cougatron]

How do people still not understand how how the play calling works....

Leach gives the QB a play. This play is just something that is thought of to be good based on information from the booth.

It's is the QBs responsibility to either roll the call forward and execute. Or chose a different play based on coverage / different play based on the box.

So this whole "Leach play calling" is not really how it works. The QB in Leach's system has more say in the play call than Leach does more often than not. Leach gives them a call, it's the QBs responsibility to get them in the best call...the reason for this is the QB sees the actual defense in front of him.

It does not work like other offenses where .... the call comes in. QB runs the call...

This is Coach gives QB an option..... QB reads defense if he likes option he sticks with it...if he doesn't he checks to another play....or to a run based on the box.

And that is how the play calling works.

 

[kougkurt]

How do people still not understand how how the play calling works....

Leach gives the QB a play. This play is just something that is thought of to be good based on information from the booth.

It's is the QBs responsibility to either roll the call forward and execute. Or chose a different play based on coverage / different play based on the box.

So this whole "Leach play calling" is not really how it works. The QB in Leach's system has more say in the play call than Leach does more often than not. Leach gives them a call, it's the QBs responsibility to get them in the best call...the reason for this is the QB sees the actual defense in front of him.

It does not work like other offenses where .... the call comes in. QB runs the call...

This is Coach gives QB an option..... QB reads defense if he likes option he sticks with it...if he doesn't he checks to another play....or to a run based on the box.

And that is how the play calling works.

After Portland State, Leach took a lot of the play calling away from Falk.

 

[Cougatron]

After Portland State, Leach took a lot of the play calling away from Falk.

Yeah he cut down on his options to "you can do what is called..Or a specific option" instead of "you can do what is called or all the multiple options."

 

[Geoduck12]

He looked very poised through the entire game

 

[froropmkr72]

Yeah he cut down on his options to "you can do what is called..Or a specific option" instead of "you can do what is called or all the multiple options."

It looks to have worked. Maybe next year they can open his options.

 

[Coug1990]

It looks to have worked. Maybe next year they can open his options.

I bet he gives him more as the season goes along if he can show he can handle it. As smart as Falk is and as much as he studies film, Leach probably was believing he was farther ahead than he actually was. Sometimes when you have too much on your plate, it becomes paralysis by analysis.

 

[SCglory]

Yeah he cut down on his options to "you can do what is called..Or a specific option" instead of "you can do what is called or all the multiple options."

Yeah, right. I'm sure you would know. Everyone knows that Leach called that improbable pass play over the middle. Dan Marino in 1985 might have completed it. It was a dumb call, period.

 

[SCglory]

How do people still not understand how how the play calling works....

Leach gives the QB a play. This play is just something that is thought of to be good based on information from the booth.

It's is the QBs responsibility to either roll the call forward and execute. Or chose a different play based on coverage / different play based on the box.

So this whole "Leach play calling" is not really how it works. The QB in Leach's system has more say in the play call than Leach does more often than not. Leach gives them a call, it's the QBs responsibility to get them in the best call...the reason for this is the QB sees the actual defense in front of him.

It does not work like other offenses where .... the call comes in. QB runs the call...

This is Coach gives QB an option..... QB reads defense if he likes option he sticks with it...if he doesn't he checks to another play....or to a run based on the box.

And that is how the play calling works.

It is EXACTLY how play calling works in about 99% of all teams. When Leinart checked down on that famous 4th and 9, that was his call, etc. But you can be sure that at the end of the game, with a grossly inexperienced QB, and a coach like Leach, there is NO WAY that Falk called that long pass over the middle that was incomplete. That does not fit with his persona or the context at all. You need to know that your trying to "tell us" how playcalling works is just silly. Most QBs "can" change the play, but even if they are given that option, in real life, it's going to depend on the QB, his experience, the coach, and the situation. You put all those in a blender in THIS situation, and what was Leach all the way. It jives 100% with his other calls in previous years. He does not like to play it safe, even when burning clock is important.

 

[kayak15]

I doubt that Leach will expand Falk's options prior to the Wyoming game. But after that we have a by which gives us two weeks to adjust the offense. A totally uneducated guess on my part but I expect the Cal game will feature a broader portion of the offense. Or not. Maybe Leach will slowly adjust the play calling throughout the season. At this point I don't think even Leach knows what he will do. Sort of depends on what he sees in practice I suppose.

 

[dgibbons]

After Portland State, Leach took a lot of the play calling away from Falk.

From henceforth, the game you refer to shall be known as Poop State.

 

[Coug1990]

I forget who, but there was a WW member that said that Falk awful, showed he could not play and wanted him benched immediately. I wonder what that person thinks today?

 

[spongebob11]

How do people still not understand how how the play calling works....

Leach gives the QB a play. This play is just something that is thought of to be good based on information from the booth.

It's is the QBs responsibility to either roll the call forward and execute. Or chose a different play based on coverage / different play based on the box.

So this whole "Leach play calling" is not really how it works. The QB in Leach's system has more say in the play call than Leach does more often than not. Leach gives them a call, it's the QBs responsibility to get them in the best call...the reason for this is the QB sees the actual defense in front of him.

It does not work like other offenses where .... the call comes in. QB runs the call...

This is Coach gives QB an option..... QB reads defense if he likes option he sticks with it...if he doesn't he checks to another play....or to a run based on the box.

And that is how the play calling works.

We all know how it works.

You are either coaching it or allowing it to happen. The 3rd and 1 and the 4th and 1 call in the first half where we were in the red zone were horrible.

2 red zone trips, zero points. If we kick the fg's we don't have to worry about the end of the game.

 

[SaveFerris]

He does not like to play it safe, even when burning clock is important.

For Leach I believe he feels he is "playing it safe". Agree or disagree with him but I don't think he sees going down the field as a risk in our offense. This goes back to his comments after the bowl game although he has pulled back a bit at the end of games.

You look at the series with 3:16 left in the game.

Play1 is a run play for 2 yards
Play2 is an inside screen for 2 yards
Play3 Falk to Marks on a 25 yard pass incomplete.

It looked like Falk locked on to Mark from the snap and the deep safety picked it up. Lewis was running all alone down the opposite sideline. We needed a first down in that situation and in our offense with our OL and skill guys we should be able to do that safely passing the ball the way we did on 2nd and 3rd down. We will never know but if we were able to do better on first down we might have run again on at least 2nd down.

I understand the risk of stopping the clock but do your job and that doesn't come into play. On that 3rd down play if it's executed correctly either Marks or Lewis would still be running.

 

[froropmkr72]

I bet he gives him more as the season goes along if he can show he can handle it. As smart as Falk is and as much as he studies film, Leach probably was believing he was farther ahead than he actually was. Sometimes when you have too much on your plate, it becomes paralysis by analysis.

Falk could be at Cornell right now and his Wonderlic will probably come in higher than any other WSU QB than Bledsoe who was Ivy League smart. Graham Harrell scored relatively low....but not nearly as low as Bradshaw, Kelly and Marino at 15. I don't know how much higher intelligence really benefits a QB and his decision making. http://www.nflstatanalysis.net/2011/03/qb-wonderlic-scores.html

 

[Cougatron]

Yeah, right. I'm sure you would know. Everyone knows that Leach called that improbable pass play over the middle. Dan Marino in 1985 might have completed it. It was a dumb call, period.

Leach said himself after portland state. "We spent a lot of time trying to sort it out. Don't do that just run something"

2:40 "We want our QB to have the ability to check". "I think we have to curtail some of that". "It needs to be more either or then open the whole thing up"

" When Harrell was a sophomore, Texas Tech faced a crucial fourth down late in a game on the road against Texas A&M. Leach called “Ace Check,” which meant the Red Raiders would line up in a single-back formation, and then it was up to Harrell to audible to whatever play he wanted. “I’m thinking, Come on, man,” Harrell says. “But by my senior year, he did that half the time, and I loved it.”"

Source

So basically SC you don't know how it works. You have no damn clue how it works. But I actually read, and listen, and watch.

 

[wazzucougs96]

From henceforth, the game you refer to shall be known as Poop State.

Mike Price, King of Poop Island, agrees.

 

[Coug90]

If Glory Hole says so, then it is so!!

the throw to marks was fantastic. I'd go so far as to say it was a "Graduate level throw".

Leach said himself after portland state. "We spent a lot of time trying to sort it out. Don't do that just run something"

2:40 "We want our QB to have the ability to check". "I think we have to curtail some of that". "It needs to be more either or then open the whole thing up"

" When Harrell was a sophomore, Texas Tech faced a crucial fourth down late in a game on the road against Texas A&M. Leach called “Ace Check,” which meant the Red Raiders would line up in a single-back formation, and then it was up to Harrell to audible to whatever play he wanted. “I’m thinking, Come on, man,” Harrell says. “But by my senior year, he did that half the time, and I loved it.”"

Source

So basically SC you don't know how it works. You have no damn clue how it works. But I actually read, and listen, and watch.

 

[95coug]

Falk could be at Cornell right now and his Wonderlic will probably come in higher than any other WSU QB than Bledsoe who was Ivy League smart. Graham Harrell scored relatively low....but not nearly as low as Bradshaw, Kelly and Marino at 15. I don't know how much higher intelligence really benefits a QB and his decision making. http://www.nflstatanalysis.net/2011/03/qb-wonderlic-scores.html

I would suggest that your question is answered pretty easily simply by looking at QBs with the highest scores, and asking how many of them turned into good QBs.

Top 5 scorers: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Greg McElroy, Jason Maas, Blaine Gabbert, Drew Henson. Fitzpatrick was the most successful of them, and has cobbled together a decent career as a journeyman, but he'll never be mentioned for the HOF.

You have to get to Eli Manning at #10 to find someone who might be an HOF candidate. He scored a 39. So did Todd Husak and Brian Griese...neither of whom will be in the hall, or could even make it as a regular starter.

Bledsoe got a 36. So did Jared Zabransky. Compare their pro careers.

Aaron Rogers, arguably the best QB in the NFL today, got a 35. So did Christian Ponder, Matt Leinart, Kellen Clemens, and Drew Stanton.

Tom Brady and Steve Young got 33s. So did Charlie Whitehurst. Matt Ryan and Joey Harrington got 32s.

John Elway and Troy Aikman got 29s. So did Rex Grossman and Brady Quinn.

Drew Brees and Peyton Manning got 28s, just like Kevin Kolb and Brooks Bollinger.

Jason Gesser, Ryan Leaf, and Alex Brink all got 27s. So did Rich Gannon and Joe Flacco.

Carson Palmer and Jay Cutler scored 26...same as Akili SMith.

Brett Favre and Tim Tebow both got 22.

Steve McNair, Randall Cunningham, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, and Terry Bradshaw all got 15s. So did Vince Young. Off the top of my head, I think there's 10 Super Bowl starters in that first group.

Donovan McNabb, Charlie Batch, and Kordell Stewart got 14s. Neil O'Donnell got 13. Jeff George got a 10. All of them had decent careers. There's at least a couple more Super Bowls among them.


Bottom line - the Wonderlic is no more predictive of QB success than the SAT is of college success. It's just one more quantifiable piece for front office evaluators to look at.