Gambling legalized

[Coug95man2]

So other than it's affect on the pro sports, I'm looking at it through the lense of NCAA. Do you think coaches are going to start becoming affected by this? What about the players? How will that be regulated? I mean, players won't be able to wager but who's going to police this? And HOW will they police this? Will that all be in the NCAA perview?

Also, I saw on twitter, someone mentioned the injury reports and how that will affect the lines... Well crap... no one should ever believe any line regarding WSU then. According to CML, we are always, 100% healthy!!! lol. That's going to affect things.

Thoughts?

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Legalized sports gambling, particularly at the college level, means that players will be taking bribes. Coaches are a somewhat different prospect; probably some will take money, especially assistants, but they will probably perceive that they have more to lose...hence fewer of them will try to point shave. The sad part is that the NCAA neither can nor will enforce anything in this area. And it is not a local issue. So that leaves the FBI, unless I am missing something. If the department of justice gets involved they could bring in other agencies, but as a routine enforcement thing, the FBI is the only group that seems to fit. And given how soft on white collar crime the FBI has been, I'm not sure that they will put resources into NCAA sports point shaving.

 

[kayak15]

Gambling has always been there. Legalizing it only brings it above the table as opposed to below it. Probably result in some increase due to availability to those without access to the local bookie. I really do not see much, if any, increased effect on college sports.

 

[kayak15]

Legalized sports gambling, particularly at the college level, means that players will be taking bribes. Coaches are a somewhat different prospect; probably some will take money, especially assistants, but they will probably perceive that they have more to lose...hence fewer of them will try to point shave. The sad part is that the NCAA neither can nor will enforce anything in this area. And it is not a local issue. So that leaves the FBI, unless I am missing something. If the department of justice gets involved they could bring in other agencies, but as a routine enforcement thing, the FBI is the only group that seems to fit. And given how soft on white collar crime the FBI has been, I'm not sure that they will put resources into NCAA sports point shaving.

An increase in the amount of gambling logically would result in an increase in the offers of bribery. Not sure how this would effect football though. Have there been cases of point shaving in college football? Basketball has the occasional scandal but I am unaware of any such occurring in other college sports. Edit: Didn't Alex Karras have some problem along these lines prior to or during his tenure with the Detroit Lions?

You are spot on, cr8zy, about the FBI dealing with this. Many years ago I attended Seattle U. and they got caught in a point shaving case. The team's center at the time and others visited a nightclub in Detroit after a game. When confronted by the FBI, the center said that they knew everything that had happened. Even down to the brand of cigarettes he was smoking in the nightclub.

Wouldn't think that the FBI will be following this problem much at the current time. They have enough on their plate with Trump's issues.

 

[ttowncoug]

I don't know if it will have much impact on things. Their is so much black market gambling happening now (via internet), I don't really think it'll change much. Now, at least the dollars can stay local. I would bet the Native American Casinos locally are going to push this issue. I, for one, would be fine with it.

 

[CougPatrol]

This could be my big break. I never bet on games, but I think I’ll be able to clean up at Zeppos on game weekends. I’m generally pretty dialed into our games. There goes the college fund.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Take my advice CP -never bet on the Cougs.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I don't know if it will have much impact on things. Their is so much black market gambling happening now (via internet), I don't really think it'll change much. Now, at least the dollars can stay local. I would bet the Native American Casinos locally are going to push this issue. I, for one, would be fine with it.

I agree. I saw a blurb saying that Nevada brings in $2.3 billion per year in sports betting but that nationwide, illegal gambling is at least $80 billion per year and could be as high as $400 billion. Making it legal and accessible will just shift who gets the dollars around.

 

[dgibbons]

So other than it's affect on the pro sports, I'm looking at it through the lense of NCAA. Do you think coaches are going to start becoming affected by this? What about the players? How will that be regulated? I mean, players won't be able to wager but who's going to police this? And HOW will they police this? Will that all be in the NCAA perview?

Also, I saw on twitter, someone mentioned the injury reports and how that will affect the lines... Well crap... no one should ever believe any line regarding WSU then. According to CML, we are always, 100% healthy!!! lol. That's going to affect things.

Thoughts?

College coaches (or at least those colleges that people actually bet on) make enough money that bribes, etc. won't really influence them. Not enough incentive, and not worth the risk to be fired for cause for throwing a game, shaving points, etc.

The big risk is players, since they are getting their stipends and scholarships. Those around from the 90s might remember Stevin Hedake Smith, the guard from ASU that got busted in a point shaving scheme.

Another risk is officials. They make decent money, but not enough that a $25,000 bribe is not going to influence them.

But betting on games has always been legal in Vegas, that's how the Stevin Smith scheme worked. The risk of point shaving has always been there. The "legalization" just means more money is flowing, and the money is not just going through Vegas.

 

[kayak15]

I recently read an article about the effect of this on college sports. SI? Cannot remember. Anyway it mentioned something that I had not considered, the effect on TV ratings. More people with money on the outcome of games means more eyeballs on the boob tube. Theoretically this should increase our income from television revenue. How much? No idea. Just thought that I would mention it.

 

[Coug95man2]

College coaches (or at least those colleges that people actually bet on) make enough money that bribes, etc. won't really influence them. Not enough incentive, and not worth the risk to be fired for cause for throwing a game, shaving points, etc.

The big risk is players, since they are getting their stipends and scholarships. Those around from the 90s might remember Stevin Hedake Smith, the guard from ASU that got busted in a point shaving scheme.

Another risk is officials. They make decent money, but not enough that a $25,000 bribe is not going to influence them.

But betting on games has always been legal in Vegas, that's how the Stevin Smith scheme worked. The risk of point shaving has always been there. The "legalization" just means more money is flowing, and the money is not just going through Vegas.

This is where I was thinking. More money equals more pressure. Instead of millions at stake, will it be hundreds of millions? Is there any dedicated branch of the NCAA that just investigates this stuff? Or is it, if they get a sniff of it, then they start poking around?

And then the pressure regarding payment of students will increase, I'll wager. With people making MORE money "on the backs of these poor kids" the cry for unionizing, paying, etc. will also increase, I'll guess.

 

[Wasichus]

Take my advice CP -never bet on the Cougs.

Oh man....that goes back to a saying my buddies and I have used for literally decades: "Never bet on the Cougs, never bet against the Cougs", you'll get bleeped either way.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Oh man....that goes back to a saying my buddies and I have used for literally decades: "Never bet on the Cougs, never bet against the Cougs", you'll get bleeped either way.

Wasi, the only way I ever bet on the Cougs is over/under. That is still dicey, but less volatile than the other measures.

 

[ElComanche]

I used to gamble extensively practically living in Las Vegas for about three years. If you can believe it or not,one can place a bet with bookies who do not do the booking through casinos.The betting has been going on forever and it will not change the games or the betting. It will mean that more people will bet and more states will make a profit. It will be a big boost for Native American casinos whose profits are faltering due to an over proliferation of casinos.One can also use the internet to bet. However it seems like the Federal Govt is trying to track down bettors who have used the online betting and have not reported or paid taxes on their winnings.A big business is going to become a huge one.