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Gardner Minshew True Senior grad transfer

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Can a true Senior player come back for a 5th, redshirt year to play the 4 games? Wouldn’t that be amazing? Treat him as an injured player to come in for 4 games, ncluding the bowl game? I don’t want this to end!!!!!!
 
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Can a true Senior player come back for a 5th, redshirt year to play the 4 games? Wouldn’t that be amazing? Treat him as an injured player to come in for 4 games, ncluding the bowl game? I don’t want this to end!!!!!!

He can't have more than 4 years of eligibility. The "four game" rule is effective this year and is not retroactive, as I understand it.
 
Can a true Senior player come back for a 5th, redshirt year to play the 4 games? Wouldn’t that be amazing? Treat him as an injured player to come in for 4 games, ncluding the bowl game? I don’t want this to end!!!!!!

I know how you feel. Seeing him come in and just have 1 year is not enough. We can only hope that he makes a major lasting impression on everyone in the QB room. Seriously if I was Cooper I would be learning everything I could from Gardner. I mean everything. How he moves how he reads his leadership. I would absorb it all and constantly watch film to understand how he was doing things.
 
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I know how you feel. Seeing him come in and just have 1 year is not enough. We can only hope that he makes a major lasting impression on everyone in the QB room. Seriously if I was Cooper I would be learning everything I could from Gardner. I mean everything. How he moves how he reads his leadership. I would absorb it all and constantly watch film to understand how he was doing things.

Grow a mustashe and chest hair...
 
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I know how you feel. Seeing him come in and just have 1 year is not enough. We can only hope that he makes a major lasting impression on everyone in the QB room. Seriously if I was Cooper I would be learning everything I could from Gardner. I mean everything. How he moves how he reads his leadership. I would absorb it all and constantly watch film to understand how he was doing things.
Considering who I think he compares to, Baker Mayfield, and how MURRAY is playing for OK this year I like the odds of whoever steps in next year for Minshew being damn good as well. That dudes attitude is infectious, and he seems like the kind of guy who cares about helping out the guys behind him on the depth chart as well.
 
His style is very similar to Mayfield. Not quite as accurate or physically talented but the similarity in improvisational skills is striking
 
His style is very similar to Mayfield. Not quite as accurate or physically talented but the similarity in improvisational skills is striking

I'm not sure Minshew pales that much in comparison to Mayfield athletically. Not as fast I suppose. I think Minshew is bigger? And Mayfield does not have a bigger arm.
 
If he is not drafted or does not get a shot at a camp or CFL, I would love to see him back as a grad assistant or QB coach. This dude has some serious Mojo. It's been a fun ride so far. I hope we have enough in the tank to keep it going.

PS- if he beats UW, he deserves a statue with Tuel and Brink alongside him.
 
I'm curious if Leach will take on Minshew as a grad assistant next year. Having a guy with his infectious and "can do"attitude around younger players is a big bonus.
 
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From my perspective not only is Gardner infectious for the Younger players as well as the older ones .... but frankly he’s been instrumental in making all of us feel more formidable and convinced that we (Cougs) this Season ... has “IT”
 
No. Minshew will be on an NFL roster.

I agree with this, but Graham Harell was on an NFL roster and 5 years after his 2008 season he was in Pullman coaching.

So unless Minshew completely tears it up in the NFL it will not surprise me if the mustache returns to Pullman.

He really didn't have much success in East Carolina, but with us he's becoming a folk hero of sorts and that goes a long way in building a career.
 
I agree with this, but Graham Harell was on an NFL roster and 5 years after his 2008 season he was in Pullman coaching.

So unless Minshew completely tears it up in the NFL it will not surprise me if the mustache returns to Pullman.

He really didn't have much success in East Carolina, but with us he's becoming a folk hero of sorts and that goes a long way in building a career.
It’s hard to say what he’s going to do once he gets to the NFL but at this point I have no doubt he gets drafted and I’d say he’s no lower than 5th rounder at the moment with a huge upward trajectory. Theres too many things to like about him that translates to the NFL. Pocket presence, release, mobility, ability to get through reads, can throw with timing and touch, LEADERSHIP. He’s absolutely an NFL prospect
 
It’s hard to say what he’s going to do once he gets to the NFL but at this point I have no doubt he gets drafted and I’d say he’s no lower than 5th rounder at the moment with a huge upward trajectory. Theres too many things to like about him that translates to the NFL. Pocket presence, release, mobility, ability to get through reads, can throw with timing and touch, LEADERSHIP. He’s absolutely an NFL prospect

The thing that is baffling about Minshew is that when reading articles about him at ECU, there were times when he was incredibly mediocre. He posted a QBR of 18.3 before getting benched in his first game last season, battled with another QB through the middle of last season until that QB was injured, looked good for a couple games before having an absolute clunker of a game against Tulane, played great against Cincinnati before finishing the season with a terrible performance against Memphis. Looking at last season, it's no wonder that nobody had heard of Gardner Minshew before he got to WSU. He was exceedingly mediocre and kind of looked like a poor man's Jeff Tuel.

Yet here he is, looking like a stud with people saying that he WILL be in the NFL. I don't know if it's simple maturity, luck that he's bonded with Leach or just that the coaches at ECU sucked, but he's a changed QB and I am grateful for it. He showed tremendous promise at juco and I hope he keeps doing that here too.
 
The thing that is baffling about Minshew is that when reading articles about him at ECU, there were times when he was incredibly mediocre. He posted a QBR of 18.3 before getting benched in his first game last season, battled with another QB through the middle of last season until that QB was injured, looked good for a couple games before having an absolute clunker of a game against Tulane, played great against Cincinnati before finishing the season with a terrible performance against Memphis. Looking at last season, it's no wonder that nobody had heard of Gardner Minshew before he got to WSU. He was exceedingly mediocre and kind of looked like a poor man's Jeff Tuel.

Yet here he is, looking like a stud with people saying that he WILL be in the NFL. I don't know if it's simple maturity, luck that he's bonded with Leach or just that the coaches at ECU sucked, but he's a changed QB and I am grateful for it. He showed tremendous promise at juco and I hope he keeps doing that here too.
I agree it’s perplexing why he struggled but in scouting him don’t think you can put too much stock into what he did at E Carolina. If anything it’s a testament to his growth and a precursor of what’s to come. Some scouts and GMs will be idiots though and not have him on their radar because of what he was 2 years ago even though his skill set in 2018 is undeniable.
 
The thing that is baffling about Minshew is that when reading articles about him at ECU, there were times when he was incredibly mediocre. He posted a QBR of 18.3 before getting benched in his first game last season, battled with another QB through the middle of last season until that QB was injured, looked good for a couple games before having an absolute clunker of a game against Tulane, played great against Cincinnati before finishing the season with a terrible performance against Memphis. Looking at last season, it's no wonder that nobody had heard of Gardner Minshew before he got to WSU. He was exceedingly mediocre and kind of looked like a poor man's Jeff Tuel.

Yet here he is, looking like a stud with people saying that he WILL be in the NFL. I don't know if it's simple maturity, luck that he's bonded with Leach or just that the coaches at ECU sucked, but he's a changed QB and I am grateful for it. He showed tremendous promise at juco and I hope he keeps doing that here too.

He went to ECU a former AIr Raid school with (Lincoln Riley, 3 people that would go on to WSU Nichol, Simmons, McGuire etc.) and they all were gone by the time he showed up. So he thought he was playing in the air raid and then all of a sudden he was playing in a single read offense by CutCliffe's former offensive coordinator.

Montgomery was named HC of Duke on December 13, 2015
He Committed to ECU on May 1st 2016.

So he never really saw what offense ECU was going to run, and it was a place that had a history of AIr Raid. I don't know what Montgomery told him, but I would guess that Minshew thought it would be similar to what Lincoln Riley who coached at ECU and was coaching Mayfield at the time would be doing.

In fact Dave Nichol was at ECU until 2015 and left in December to come to us.

He signed at Troy under Neal Brown another Air Raid guy and sort of left there looking for a better opportunity so he was always looking for an Air Raid offense to play in. Got to ECU and they switched it up. He tried his best to adapt and won the starting job, but it's like playing guitar your whole life and then being asked to play violin. Yeah they are string instruments, yeah they both make music, but it is a WAY different technique.

He had 1 year of eligibility left and was thinking about going to Alabama to learn how to coach and then the opportunity at WSU opened up. Here was his 1 shot. His 1 shot to show what he was capable with in the offense he grew up in, and it's pretty clear he is not interested in wasting that opportunity.

What we are seeing is how fit is so very important. If you've trained your whole life to be a great guitar player and someone hands you a violin you can try to make the best of it but obviously, it will be awkward at times.

He walked into Pullman and was given the guitar of his dreams and he hasn't stopped playing since.
 
What we are seeing is how fit is so very important. If you've trained your whole life to be a great guitar player and someone hands you a violin you can try to make the best of it but obviously, it will be awkward at times.

He walked into Pullman and was given the guitar of his dreams and he hasn't stopped playing since.

I'm glad that he likes the brand of guitar that Leach offers.
 
He went to ECU a former AIr Raid school with (Lincoln Riley, 3 people that would go on to WSU Nichol, Simmons, McGuire etc.) and they all were gone by the time he showed up. So he thought he was playing in the air raid and then all of a sudden he was playing in a single read offense by CutCliffe's former offensive coordinator.

Montgomery was named HC of Duke on December 13, 2015
He Committed to ECU on May 1st 2016.

So he never really saw what offense ECU was going to run, and it was a place that had a history of AIr Raid. I don't know what Montgomery told him, but I would guess that Minshew thought it would be similar to what Lincoln Riley who coached at ECU and was coaching Mayfield at the time would be doing.

In fact Dave Nichol was at ECU until 2015 and left in December to come to us.

He signed at Troy under Neal Brown another Air Raid guy and sort of left there looking for a better opportunity so he was always looking for an Air Raid offense to play in. Got to ECU and they switched it up. He tried his best to adapt and won the starting job, but it's like playing guitar your whole life and then being asked to play violin. Yeah they are string instruments, yeah they both make music, but it is a WAY different technique.

He had 1 year of eligibility left and was thinking about going to Alabama to learn how to coach and then the opportunity at WSU opened up. Here was his 1 shot. His 1 shot to show what he was capable with in the offense he grew up in, and it's pretty clear he is not interested in wasting that opportunity.

What we are seeing is how fit is so very important. If you've trained your whole life to be a great guitar player and someone hands you a violin you can try to make the best of it but obviously, it will be awkward at times.

He walked into Pullman and was given the guitar of his dreams and he hasn't stopped playing since.
I love this analogy and think it is very fitting, but if this is the only offense he will be successful in then he won't last long in the NFL. I hope for his sake he can adapt to the more pro style offenses that encompass the league. I think he is a smart, talented QB and feel that he can make that transition to the NFL. Jerry Jones should definitely have this guy on his radar because Dak ain't getting it done. Maybe the Bucs as well? Or maybe the Saints should draft their future QB. Who knows..... I think he does have a future in the NFL if he can keep this train rolling.
 
I love this analogy and think it is very fitting, but if this is the only offense he will be successful in then he won't last long in the NFL. I hope for his sake he can adapt to the more pro style offenses that encompass the league. I think he is a smart, talented QB and feel that he can make that transition to the NFL. Jerry Jones should definitely have this guy on his radar because Dak ain't getting it done. Maybe the Bucs as well? Or maybe the Saints should draft their future QB. Who knows..... I think he does have a future in the NFL if he can keep this train rolling.

He has a lightning quick release . Then he will be scrutinized and looked through air raid glasses. If he shows the scouts he has enough arm he will be drafted earlier then Luke .
 
I love this analogy and think it is very fitting, but if this is the only offense he will be successful in then he won't last long in the NFL. I hope for his sake he can adapt to the more pro style offenses that encompass the league. I think he is a smart, talented QB and feel that he can make that transition to the NFL. Jerry Jones should definitely have this guy on his radar because Dak ain't getting it done. Maybe the Bucs as well? Or maybe the Saints should draft their future QB. Who knows..... I think he does have a future in the NFL if he can keep this train rolling.

Yeah it has to be the right fit in the NFL too. Saints would be the first choice. You see what the Chiefs with Mahomes is doing. Brady just said the other day that the NFL is becoming more like college ball the other day, and it's not a surprise that the Patriots sort of ushered that in with slot guys like Welker and Amendola (both inside receiver Leach guys like Cracraft).

Out of the 32 NFL teams only certain ones will Minshew be a fit, but if one of those goes after him and they have a system that is similar he will thrive. Otherwise he will go the drafted practice squad bounce around a few years and then be back in Pullman as a GA coaching like Harell did. Kingsbury did that too.
 
Mike Leach is his coach this year.

One of the Founding Fathers of the Air Raid.

This isn’t a water-down & copycat version.

The biggest difference for Gardner is being coached by one of the original creators.
 
As Flat pointed out above, he's been prone to the occasional clunker game.
I'm hoping those days are past and those "clunkers" were due to the team he was playing on.
 
Considering his history, I think it's worth asking whether he even wants to play in the NFL. Remember, he was headed to Alabama to be the #3 QB and start moving toward coaching. And, he's said since he's been here that he wants to coach. I don't recall seeing anything about wanting to play in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the rare one who decides to hang up the cleats, preserve his health, and go from starting QB to offensive grad assistant the next season. I'd love to have him around to mentor Cooper & Tinsley, and whoever's behind them.

It'd also make sense for him to go ahead and go pro, get paid to hold a clipboard for a few years while he absorbs more, and then go back to coaching. Whatever he decides, I'm glad we got him for this season.
 
Considering his history, I think it's worth asking whether he even wants to play in the NFL. Remember, he was headed to Alabama to be the #3 QB and start moving toward coaching. And, he's said since he's been here that he wants to coach. I don't recall seeing anything about wanting to play in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the rare one who decides to hang up the cleats, preserve his health, and go from starting QB to offensive grad assistant the next season. I'd love to have him around to mentor Cooper & Tinsley, and whoever's behind them.

It'd also make sense for him to go ahead and go pro, get paid to hold a clipboard for a few years while he absorbs more, and then go back to coaching. Whatever he decides, I'm glad we got him for this season.

If he didn't have aspirations to get to the league, then he probably would have just gone to Bama.
 
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The lure of the $$$ in the NFL and an agent whispering in his ear may just tilt him to play a year or two (or more) in the NFL. It's a long road moving up through the coaching ranks. He may want to make some bank for a couple of years then slide into coaching.
 
Considering his history, I think it's worth asking whether he even wants to play in the NFL. Remember, he was headed to Alabama to be the #3 QB and start moving toward coaching. And, he's said since he's been here that he wants to coach. I don't recall seeing anything about wanting to play in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the rare one who decides to hang up the cleats, preserve his health, and go from starting QB to offensive grad assistant the next season. I'd love to have him around to mentor Cooper & Tinsley, and whoever's behind them.

It'd also make sense for him to go ahead and go pro, get paid to hold a clipboard for a few years while he absorbs more, and then go back to coaching. Whatever he decides, I'm glad we got him for this season.

Take the money.
 
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Considering his history, I think it's worth asking whether he even wants to play in the NFL. Remember, he was headed to Alabama to be the #3 QB and start moving toward coaching. And, he's said since he's been here that he wants to coach. I don't recall seeing anything about wanting to play in the NFL. Maybe he'll be the rare one who decides to hang up the cleats, preserve his health, and go from starting QB to offensive grad assistant the next season. I'd love to have him around to mentor Cooper & Tinsley, and whoever's behind them.

It'd also make sense for him to go ahead and go pro, get paid to hold a clipboard for a few years while he absorbs more, and then go back to coaching. Whatever he decides, I'm glad we got him for this season.
Grad assistant for 2 years making peanuts while staying up all night to grade out film, vs potentially making 500k/yr to continue developing knowledge of the game with the ability to make a lot more. Easy decision. Coaching will always be there.
 
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