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Halliday: is he drafted? I predict, no

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1. Teams are going to want to see him physically perform. If he can't, take him as a free agent.
2. Along with #1, his durability should be a concern.
3. Does his "game" translate to the NFL? I think his poor decision making in the past, might hurt him.

That said, I see him signing on with a team and getting a few years, much like Tuel did.
 
Originally posted by ttowncoug:
1. Teams are going to want to see him physically perform. If he can't, take him as a free agent.
2. Along with #1, his durability should be a concern.
3. Does his "game" translate to the NFL? I think his poor decision making in the past, might hurt him.

That said, I see him signing on with a team and getting a few years, much like Tuel did.
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IIRC, he was supposed to be back for pro day. Not sure how his rehab is progressing, but I would expect Thorpe to have an article about him soon. Throwing at pro day may be enough to get him drafted.
 
No way. Wouldn't have even been drafted even if he'd finished the season healthy.
 
Originally posted by Coug90:
No way. Wouldn't have even been drafted even if he'd finished the season healthy.
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If he hadn't been hurt, I think he does get drafted. Now, it is a toss up. One thing about this years draft, there are fewer good quarterbacks in this draft than normal. In fact, after the first two, there is not much talent. So, it is not about Halliday's ability. It is about the lack of depth in this draft class.
 
The lack of depth, and the fact that too many NFL teams have bad QB play for the majority not to look for someone. I think he goes in the 7th....
 
Maybe he becomes the last player drafted and becomes this year's" Mr. Irrelevant". that would be his 15 minutes of fame.
 
If he is completely healed by draft day, or close enough that a scout could watch him and actually evaluate what he sees, then he is on the bubble. In a normal year, he would not be drafted. This year, because of both the lack of QB's and also (just as important) the shift by some teams to offenses that risk more QB injuries, there is a real need for QB's in the draft. Because of that, if he is healthy I think he will get drafted. Late rounds, but as they say, better late than never.

If he has a health setback, all bets are off.
 
Originally posted by ElComanche:
Maybe he becomes the last player drafted and becomes this year's" Mr. Irrelevant". that would be his 15 minutes of fame.
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You shame all Cougar fans with your incessant hatred of Halliday. I really am embarrassed for you. You are one of those people that if you cannot say anything nice, you shouldn't say anything at all.
 
I agree with '90. This post really doesn't serve any purpose, other than to bash Halliday and/or give you the chance to say, "I'm right". I find these kinds of posts negative and bitchy.
 
Connor Halliday has been a great Coug and performed very well in his career. This doesn't change the facts that he has very rarely run the offense in a manner (pro style) that is almost required in the NFL, and his stature is less than most NFL teams are looking for.

So I think if he is drafted it will be in the later rounds, and the chance of his success in the NFL are not great. That does not mean he could not have a shot at playing, but my hunch is he will begin his career as a golf pro and real estate professional in the not to distant future.
 
That may be true El, however I am going to go out on a limb and say that even in doing just that he will surpass any athletic achievement you have ever had.
 
Kicker Ryan Succop was Mr. Irrelevant in 2009 and has fashioned a very good NFL career with the Chiefs and Titans. Certainly more than 15 minutes!

Glad Cougar
 
I see him on a practice squad for a year

someplace while he heals and learns the offense and they see what he can do. He makes some bad decisions but the kid's got an NFL arm and a very quick release, and the bad decisions dropped precipitously the last half of last season and this year before he got hurt, as he got more comfortable with the offense. The big question that might keep him from sticking on a roster is "will an NFL pass rush break him in half?"
 
Re: I see him on a practice squad for a year

Originally posted by random soul:
someplace while he heals and learns the offense and they see what he can do. He makes some bad decisions but the kid's got an NFL arm and a very quick release, and the bad decisions dropped precipitously the last half of last season and this year before he got hurt, as he got more comfortable with the offense. The big question that might keep him from sticking on a roster is "will an NFL pass rush break him in half?"
If Halliday makes a roster and actually sees the field, there will be a reunion with ex-USC d-lineman Leonard Williams, who broke Halliday's leg last season. And there will be plenty of linebackers bigger, faster, and tougher than former Utah LB Chaz Walker, who likely lacerated Halliday's liver in 2011. Beyond that, his passing skills are pretty good, although decision making was very poor at times while at WSU.
What I find interesting in his pre-combine statements is the subtle jab at Mike Leach for not teaching him about how to recognize disguises/stunts, especially from linebackers.
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This post was edited on 2/20 10:10 AM by YakiCoug
 
Re: I see him on a practice squad for a year

Yeah, when you're a third tier type of talent, taking shots at the coach is a good look for potential employers. Really, I thought good interviews might be his saving grace with the injury, but if the plan is "well, coach never taught me that, and why would I, a starting quarterback, want to learn something on my own?"... not so much.

This post was edited on 2/20 11:24 AM by wulffui
 
Undrafted, if only because he can't show them what he can do, right now. Yeah, he'll get to put on a show prior to the draft but the other QB's will already have shown what they're made of.

From everything I've read, The Dallas Cowboys have some serious consideration for him. Others are considering but for such a big name brand like The Cowboys to be considering is pretty big. The one thing that keeps popping up with just about every article I read about him is… he doesn't/hasn't taken a whole bunch of snaps from under center. It's vast majority in the shotgun. Many of the articles I'm reading about him state that as a major issue that will he will need to practice, practice, practice on so his "show" prior to the draft shows he is comfortable taking multiple step-backs…3,5, and 7. This SB article states it the most succinctly. It isn't his "poor decision making", as this article actually says, "He trusts his arm and it has proven well with his calculated risks in the passing game. " Outside perspective, I guess.

I'd take this article as pretty close to reality, though. He'll follow Tuel's footsteps. Practice squad in hopes of moving up. Hope him all the best. Would be GREAT if he was truly drafted, though.

Halliday fit in, in Dallas?
 
There is a reason they are called system QB's. He doesn't know

the pro game. None of these coaches are getting their Qb's prepared for the next level. They have their system, which clearly is not teaching the same things the pro game wants to see.
This post was edited on 2/20 2:37 PM by CougEd
 
So? Most college QB's are "system" guys, who lack a tool...

evaluators would like to see- but I bet you count on one hand kids who say, "oh, that's cause coach didn't teach me"- Mariota sure isn't saying that. I bet Kingsbury and Harrell never said that.

I've never gone into a job interview discussing how my shortcomings aren't about me, but the boss at my last job- it sounds like an awful strategy, but maybe not.
 
Re: So? Most college QB's are "system" guys, who lack a tool...

It's even worse than I thought... because the comment is essentially,

"Well, this was bad, because of what he did. But this part, where I did stuff, that was good."
 
Ummm...The scouts already know...Who from :Leach's system has made an

impact on the next level
 
Re: I see him on a practice squad for a year


Agreed, about the bad optics of blaming your coach for not teaching you about the line or linebacker movement.

The offense is set around getting the ball out quickly. If you can't do that, you are sacked.
 
Re: So? Most college QB's are "system" guys, who lack a tool...

Originally posted by wulffui:
evaluators would like to see- but I bet you count on one hand kids who say, "oh, that's cause coach didn't teach me"- Mariota sure isn't saying that. I bet Kingsbury and Harrell never said that.

I've never gone into a job interview discussing how my shortcomings aren't about me, but the boss at my last job- it sounds like an awful strategy, but maybe not.
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I think Halliday is just answering questions. Not much more than that to see here, IMO.
 
You turned that into word soup.

I don't know if this is a question or a statement.
 
Re: You turned that into word soup.

Are scouts going into Mariota's meetings wondering what Jeremiah Masoli did as a pro?
 
Re: You turned that into word soup.

Originally posted by wulffui:
Are scouts going into Mariota's meetings wondering what Jeremiah Masoli did as a pro?
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Or Dennis Dixon?
Btw, should Ed or anyone really worry if Leach, Chip Kelly/Mark Helfrich, or any other college coach is running a "system" that isn't an "NFL system"? Does anyone here prefer pro ball to college ball? And just why should a college coach worry more about his players' potential draft status than winning at the college level? (I knew Ed would take the bait on this one and run with it. Predictable. Consider yourself playED).

This post was edited on 2/21 11:33 AM by YakiCoug
 
Actually, yes...when you have a guy that runs a 4.5 forty

and has an impeccable resume, and he is considered the second best QB behind a guy who can't keep his name out of the papers in Winston for off the field stuff, there raises a question, as did his performance against OSU.

Are you really trying to tell me you haven't heard the questions about how Mariotta and how he might fit into the pro style attack? I have heard that more than I have heard he is the second pick in the draft.

Of course there are questions regarding a QB that plays for Oregon. Who has done squat from Oregon since Kelly installed his offense?

If Mariotta isn't the first pick in the draft it will be because of the style of offense that is run at Oregon.
 
Re: Actually, yes...when you have a guy that runs a 4.5 forty

So, Leach and Helfrich should give up running their respective offenses, right Edith? Of course, WSU and Oregon might lose 40 of 46 games over four years if they do, but you'd be OK with that, considering you were all right with it once before.
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Check Thorpe's blog

I won't be able to link it.

Mayle broke his thumb so won't be doing the bench. Halliday's hands measured smaller than any other QB at the combine (those measured anyway).
 
I don't necessarily think any of the opinions are about bashing Halliday as a Coug or a college QB. The NFL is about more than just what kind of numbers you put up in college. Hell Tebow was arguably the best college QB of all time when you look at stats and wins, but he can't make it on a practice squad as a QB.

Halliday can make all the throws but he also made a lot of bad decisions, has zero mobility, played in a college spread offense and never took a snap under center...and he's got a very fragile frame. That doesn't add up well when the scouts consider all of those things.

I think he would be a free agent pickup either way, and probably ends up being a stud in the Canadian League. That said if I saw him in a bar I'd still buy him a beer and thank him for being a great Coug.
 
Pretty good summary, '90.

My memories of Connor are positive. The guy did the best for us that he could, even (in the Utah game) at some real personal risk. Frankly, that was stupid, but his heart was in the right place, even if his maturity was not. All that being said, the points you raise are all valid. He may surmount them, especially in a year that is short on QB's. But as you said, the traditional route would have been the CFL not too long ago, and it is not ridiculous to think that it might work out that way for Connor. After all, if he doesn't latch on to an NFL team in a year that is short of QB's, then the CFL is bound to be looking. And I think he fits their game better, anyway. That is a big passing league, and that fits Connor.
 
He doesn't need to tell the evaluators that...they know Leach's and

for that matter Chip Kellys system, and they know they don't take snaps from center and don't know the five and seven step dropback. He isn't saying anything the scouts don't already know.

While the spread and other offenses, just like Waldens back in the day were good for college football but not good for the next level for the individual.
 
Re: He doesn't need to tell the evaluators that...they know Leach's and


Originally posted by CougEd:
for that matter Chip Kellys system, and they know they don't take snaps from center and don't know the five and seven step dropback. He isn't saying anything the scouts don't already know.

While the spread and other offenses, just like Waldens back in the day were good for college football but not good for the next level for the individual.
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I don't even think saying that is right these days- Chip Kelly just spent two years running "his" system, with two QB's who no one would have thought of as fits for his system, to the tune of 20-12. Different styles can win- but they're also way more susceptible to getting shut down- HARD- by a team that can handle the inherent gimmick- see also: Seahawks-Eagles. But what if he had his "system QB"?
 
So he is blaming Leach for not teaching him? That is wonderful as he would probably have never seen the field under any other coach. i can image him throwing three consecutive interceptions for any other coach. the guy panics under pressure and pro scouts have noticed that. i would be surprised if he makes any one's roster. if he does the first game situation would see released the next day.
 
Oh please! Stop it. That is not what he said

Stop lying about him and twisting his words. Too bad you are not like most of us and have to resort to this trash. He was asked a question and answered it honestly. He did not put down Leach. He said he learned some things and is behind in some things. Robert Griffith, Marcus Mariota are going through the same things now.
 
Did you hear Marcus M's quote what he sees as the hardest transition?

Going into the huddle. He said he has not called a play since high school.

Bruce Ahrens talked about the spread and how he the QB's are behind in the development. He said the qb's don't even know how to call a play at the line of scrimmage because they have those big cards that they flip on the sideline. He ripped the system in terms of being QB friendly for the next level.
 
Originally posted by ElComanche:
Maybe he becomes the last player drafted and becomes this year's" Mr. Irrelevant". that would be his 15 minutes of fame.
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He's WSU's all time passing leader. He also led the NCAA in passing for the majority of this season. Weather you like him or not, he's well exceeded 15 minutes of fame.
 
Re: Did you hear Marcus M's quote what he sees as the hardest transition?


Originally posted by CougEd:
Going into the huddle. He said he has not called a play since high school.

Bruce Ahrens talked about the spread and how he the QB's are behind in the development. He said the qb's don't even know how to call a play at the line of scrimmage because they have those big cards that they flip on the sideline. He ripped the system in terms of being QB friendly for the next level.
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After watching the QB play from Bruce Arians team this year, maybe he ought to take some notes rather than criticize college offenses.
 
I know...if you can't win with Drew Stanton and ryan Lindley who can

you win with?
 
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