I have yet to weigh in…..

[kougkurt]

I am fully vaccinated. However, I do not believe in a vax mandate. Where do mandates end?
I feel the lack of mention or diligence that is not applied to the people who have had Covid and produced natural immunity, antibodies, is a joke.
I feel the vaccines DO provide protection against Covid, however, the breakthrough cases are alarming
I also feel those that are vaccinated and get Covid are much more protected from becoming seriously ill
As far as how this relates to Rolo?
He is a public figure, who’s decision effects so many more than just him. Players, coaches, alums, recruiting, etc
At this point, regardless of how you feel, this can not and will not end well for the Coug football program. Regardless of your beliefs.
It just won’t

 

[roses04]

“ At this point, regardless of how you feel, this can not and will not end well for the Coug football program. Regardless of your beliefs.”

Unfortunately I felt this way the day it was mentioned Rolo wouldn’t be attending the pac 12 kickoff activities.

to paraphrase June Jones, “you have no choice, your a coach at a major university, just get the damn shot”

 

[CougEd]

“ At this point, regardless of how you feel, this can not and will not end well for the Coug football program. Regardless of your beliefs.”

Unfortunately I felt this way the day it was mentioned Rolo wouldn’t be attending the pac 12 kickoff activities.

to paraphrase June Jones, “you have no choice, your a coach at a major university, just get the damn shot”

Correct. I could be anti mandate and doesnt matter, in the Presidents eyes he embarrassed the university, went against his wishes and the AD's wishes, is playing chicken with the Governor of the state in what many people think is the biggest health situation of the last 30 years, and could have been even a bigger economic problem if we didn't throw trillions after the problem.

 

[95coug]

I am fully vaccinated. However, I do not believe in a vax mandate. Where do mandates end?
I feel the lack of mention or diligence that is not applied to the people who have had Covid and produced natural immunity, antibodies, is a joke.
I feel the vaccines DO provide protection against Covid, however, the breakthrough cases are alarming
I also feel those that are vaccinated and get Covid are much more protected from becoming seriously ill
As far as how this relates to Rolo?
He is a public figure, who’s decision effects so many more than just him. Players, coaches, alums, recruiting, etc
At this point, regardless of how you feel, this can not and will not end well for the Coug football program. Regardless of your beliefs.
It just won’t

I'm almost 100% with you. I'm actually OK with a vax mandate in limited forms. It makes sense for healthcare and long term care. I can even see if for venues with large indoor crowds. It should not be tied to employment. While an employer can choose to implement one, they should not be forced to implement it by the state. I 100% agree that there should be a testing option.
I'm less alarmed by the breakthrough cases. Even measles sometimes gets past the vaccine. It still hold true that breakthrough cases are less common than cases in the unvaxxed, and are usually less severe.

 

[M-I-Coug]

To me, the biggest question is recruiting. How are we doing, or will do in recruiting?

 

[CougSinceBirth]

“ At this point, regardless of how you feel, this can not and will not end well for the Coug football program. Regardless of your beliefs.”

Unfortunately I felt this way the day it was mentioned Rolo wouldn’t be attending the pac 12 kickoff activities.

to paraphrase June Jones, “you have no choice, your a coach at a major university, just get the damn shot”

Same camp on the bolded font.

 

[BiggsCoug]

To me, the biggest question is recruiting. How are we doing, or will do in recruiting?

Poorly. Some schools can handle having questions surrounding the HC status and future with the school. Some schools cannot. The talent in the West is already much lower than other regions. This doesn’t help at all.

And JDLs comments…. It isn’t the media trying to take down the HC. He is doing it himself. Get the shot, get an exemption or get your shit and go. That’s the mandate. It isn’t the media.

 

[Fab5Coug]

To me, the biggest question is recruiting. How are we doing, or will do in recruiting?

2 commits since Rolo's announcement in July. Beat out Ark St & Austin Peay for one of them.

 

[M-I-Coug]

2 commits since Rolo's announcement in July. Beat out Ark St & Austin Peay for one of them.

Simply devastational. Look at Arizona. Holding open tryouts for walk-ons for any active student.

 

[Cougsocal]

I am fully vaccinated. However, I do not believe in a vax mandate. Where do mandates end?
I feel the lack of mention or diligence that is not applied to the people who have had Covid and produced natural immunity, antibodies, is a joke.
I feel the vaccines DO provide protection against Covid, however, the breakthrough cases are alarming
I also feel those that are vaccinated and get Covid are much more protected from becoming seriously ill
As far as how this relates to Rolo?
He is a public figure, who’s decision effects so many more than just him. Players, coaches, alums, recruiting, etc
At this point, regardless of how you feel, this can not and will not end well for the Coug football program. Regardless of your beliefs.
It just won’t

Next thing you know they will force you into the military during a time of war, in some form of draft lottery, and imprison you if you refuse. It could happen, as unbelievable as it sounds. When will the tyranny end. BTW, Covid has killed more Americans than all American wars combined, put 4.6 million in hospitals (the injured), and put millions more in their beds with significant symptoms, and it ain't over.

My Dad flew bombers in WWII, Lancasters, RAF. Frankly, if he and those who served with him were alive they'd shake his head in disgust at self entitled shirkers like Rolo. But they grew up tough as nails, not particularly PC, and just wouldn't understand the tremendous emotion "trauma" poor Rolo is experiencing right now.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Simply devastational. Look at Arizona. Holding open tryouts for walk-ons for any active student.

Is this sarcasm?

 

[M-I-Coug]

Is this sarcasm?

Not sure what you mean by sarcasm?

Did you hear what happen to Arizona Football? They are desperate for needing immediate players for their roster, and have held open tryouts to any active student interested in walking on.

My point is...the future of our recruiting could be in jeopardy, if not in peril. Today's roster are mostly all Mike Leach kids. If we can't recruit talent, and start to bring dudes in....look at what's happening to the University of Arizona Football team. It's very sad.

 

[FnuLnu]

Next thing you know they will force you into the military during a time of war, in some form of draft lottery, and imprison you if you refuse. It could happen, as unbelievable as it sounds. When will the tyranny end. BTW, Covid has killed more Americans than all American wars combined, put 4.6 million in hospitals (the injured), and put millions more in their beds with significant symptoms, and it ain't over.

My Dad flew bombers in WWII, Lancasters, RAF. Frankly, if he and those who served with him were alive they'd shake his head in disgust at self entitled shirkers like Rolo. But they grew up tough as nails, not particularly PC, and just wouldn't understand the tremendous emotion "trauma" poor Rolo is experiencing right now.

Inslee & Biden who are issuing these mandates both actively dodged the draft with deferments.

 

[CougEd]

Next thing you know they will force you into the military during a time of war, in some form of draft lottery, and imprison you if you refuse. It could happen, as unbelievable as it sounds. When will the tyranny end. BTW, Covid has killed more Americans than all American wars combined, put 4.6 million in hospitals (the injured), and put millions more in their beds with significant symptoms, and it ain't over.

My Dad flew bombers in WWII, Lancasters, RAF. Frankly, if he and those who served with him were alive they'd shake his head in disgust at self entitled shirkers like Rolo. But they grew up tough as nails, not particularly PC, and just wouldn't understand the tremendous emotion "trauma" poor Rolo is experiencing right now.

I would enjoy talking to someone who stormed the beach in Normandy and get their thoughts of being forced to be injected with a life saving and potentially reducing the spread of the disease.

I remember being being probably six and seven and going by the tv and with Cronkite, Howard K Smith and others giving the body count . That was a time 18 year old men were mandated to serve our country. People willing to die for our country, we can’t take a vax.

 

[FnuLnu]

I would enjoy talking to someone who stormed the beach in Normandy and get their thoughts of being forced to be injected with a life saving and potentially reducing the spread of the disease.

I remember being being probably six and seven and going by the tv and with Cronkite, Howard K Smith and others giving the body count . That was a time 18 year old men were mandated to serve our country. People willing to die for our country, we can’t take a vax.

Jay Inslee dodged the Vietnam draft while a student at the UW. Partied his ass off, and ended up in 3rd tier law school and chasing ambulances in Selah.

Joe Biden also dodged the Vietnam draft with student deferments.

 

[CougEd]

Jay Inslee dodged the Vietnam draft while a student at the UW. Partied his ass off, and ended up in 3rd tier law school and chasing ambulances in Selah.

Joe Biden also dodged the Vietnam draft with student deferments.

I know there is a point there …somewhere .

 

[FnuLnu]

I know there is a point there …somewhere .

Issuer of these mandates Jay Inslee has made no sacrifices.

Hardly any of the baby boomers.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Issuer of these mandates Jay Inslee has made no sacrifices.

Hardly any of the baby boomers.

You strike me as a trump supporter, which makes your failing-to-serve-in-the-military-elected-officials meaningless. Taihtsat

 

[FnuLnu]

You strike me as a trump supporter, which makes your failing-to-serve-in-the-military-elected-officials meaningless. Taihtsat

Baby Boomers are shit

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Baby Boomers are shit

Im married to one and she's great! So are all my 6 siblings. Of course, I'm biased. Taihtsat

 

[95coug]

You strike me as a trump supporter, which makes your failing-to-serve-in-the-military-elected-officials meaningless. Taihtsat

The draft dodging is a weak argument all around. The majority didn't get drafted, and a lot of people (especially those above middle incomes) didn't serve. Millions had student deferments, including Trump, Biden, and Inslee.

Biden and Trump both ended up getting medical disqualifications - Biden for asthma, Trump for bone spurs - and there are doubts over whether either of them should have. But it also wasn't unusual for affluent kids to get deferred or disqualified, and was even more common as the war dragged on and became less popular.

If you look at the numbers that were actually called, none of them would have been drafted anyway, so the whole debate is kind of moot.

All three of them still suck, but it's not because of what they did or didn't do in the 60s & 70s.

 

[COUGinNCW]

The draft dodging is a weak argument all around. The majority didn't get drafted, and a lot of people (especially those above middle incomes) didn't serve. Millions had student deferments, including Trump, Biden, and Inslee.

Biden and Trump both ended up getting medical disqualifications - Biden for asthma, Trump for bone spurs - and there are doubts over whether either of them should have. But it also wasn't unusual for affluent kids to get deferred or disqualified, and was even more common as the war dragged on and became less popular.

If you look at the numbers that were actually called, none of them would have been drafted anyway, so the whole debate is kind of moot.

All three of them still suck, but it's not because of what they did or didn't do in the 60s & 70s.

I agree, they all suck. We live in an age of pick your poison.

 

[Cougsocal]

Inslee & Biden who are issuing these mandates both actively dodged the draft with deferments.

It only says they, like you, are cut from the same cloth, dodgers of civic duties. Sad anyway you cut it.

 

[CougPatrol]

It only says they, like you, are cut from the same cloth, dodgers of civic duties. Sad anyway you cut it.

I think people should get vaxed, but when we introduce civic duty into the rationale, I take exception. Not because it’s wrong, necessarily; but because our society doesn’t take the same hard line as it relates to working (paying into the system), welfare (taking out of the system), health, nutrition, obesity, fast food, overall carbon footprint.

 

[Cougsocal]

I would enjoy talking to someone who stormed the beach in Normandy and get their thoughts of being forced to be injected with a life saving and potentially reducing the spread of the disease.

I remember being being probably six and seven and going by the tv and with Cronkite, Howard K Smith and others giving the body count . That was a time 18 year old men were mandated to serve our country. People willing to die for our country, we can’t take a vax.

My father didn't even have to join up, he was working in a machine plant and exempted from service. He tried to join the Army, then Navy and was refused because of his job rating. The only service available to him was the RAF, and then only if he qualified as a pilot, who were in very short supply. Here's the thing, I had to pry this information out of him, he was embarrassed by it all, because good men died, and he didn't.

It was a different world.

 

[Cougsocal]

I think people should get vaxed, but when we introduce civic duty into the rationale, I take exception. Not because it’s wrong, necessarily; but because our society doesn’t take the same hard line as it relates to working (paying into the system), welfare (taking out of the system), health, nutrition, obesity, fast food, overall carbon footprint.

You aren't going to get any arguments from me there. But simply because we live in a "what's in it for me society," doesn't mean what JFK said was wrong. Frankly, post WWII emphasizing of "exceptionalism" to kids in school has been a real two edge sword. It has created the environment to allow greatness to develop, but at the cost of creating a self entitled culture. Communism is dead, maybe it is time to start emphasize community and civic duty, again.

Would one or two years of compulsory service in some form be a bad thing?

 

[CougInSpain]

You aren't going to get any arguments from me there. But simply because we live in a "what's in it for me society," doesn't mean what JFK said was wrong. Frankly, post WWII emphasizing of "exceptionalism" to kids in school has been a real two edge sword. It has created the environment to allow greatness to develop, but at the cost of creating a self entitled culture. Communism is dead, maybe it is time to start emphasize community and civic duty, again.

Would one or two years of compulsory service in some form be a bad thing?

This would do wonders for our current culture of "Gotta get mine" taking over. I have two nephews who've got to be the laziest people I know. They would definitely benefit from a couple years of service.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

This would do wonders for our current culture of "Gotta get mine" taking over. I have two nephews who've got to be the laziest people I know. They would definitely benefit from a couple years of service.

I don't know about your nephews, but I went to school with plenty of slackers and those who went into the service and only became more cynical about power structures and authority. In other words, it convinced them that "the man" is out to get them.

 

[95coug]

You aren't going to get any arguments from me there. But simply because we live in a "what's in it for me society," doesn't mean what JFK said was wrong. Frankly, post WWII emphasizing of "exceptionalism" to kids in school has been a real two edge sword. It has created the environment to allow greatness to develop, but at the cost of creating a self entitled culture. Communism is dead, maybe it is time to start emphasize community and civic duty, again.

Would one or two years of compulsory service in some form be a bad thing?

Compulsory service isn't going to be the solution, it's just going to be another thing to complain about. They'll be as lazy about it as they are about everything else.

Only thing that might get the point across is something that really makes them work to survive, and take whatever they can get. Like their great grandparents learned by being born during war, children during pandemic, a small taste of good life before the Depression and WWII.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Compulsory service isn't going to be the solution, it's just going to be another thing to complain about. They'll be as lazy about it as they are about everything else.

Only thing that might get the point across is something that really makes them work to survive, and take whatever they can get. Like their great grandparents learned by being born during war, children during pandemic, a small taste of good life before the Depression and WWII.
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I've felt for some time now that "service" can be tied into mandatory credit in high school for graduation.

Think about it, each year there would be an army of HS seniors across the nation doing service in their community. They would get a sense of sacrifice and community involvement, see the benefits or their work and SOME, just might be more likely to volunteer later in their life having already been exposed to the experience. It's a win, win! Taihtsat

 

[95coug]

I've felt for some time now that "service" can be tied into mandatory credit in high school for graduation.

Think about it, each year there would be an army of HS seniors across the nation doing service in their community. They would get a sense of sacrifice and community involvement, see the benefits or their work and SOME, just might be more likely to volunteer later in their life having already been exposed to the experience. It's a win, win! Taihtsat

I think you'd just increase the dropout rate.

Tying some sort of service into college admission might be something I could get on board with. I'd like to see wannabe college students out working on basic infrastructure projects. They'd be doing a service, and might actually learn something too.

That's just one of my plans for when I get elected Supreme Ruler. I also intend to make almost all forms of welfare and unemployment contingent on some sort of service. You want food stamps? Here's the mile of road you need to pick up litter on. Unemployed? Here's a ditch that needs to be dug.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I've felt for some time now that "service" can be tied into mandatory credit in high school for graduation.

Think about it, each year there would be an army of HS seniors across the nation doing service in their community. They would get a sense of sacrifice and community involvement, see the benefits or their work and SOME, just might be more likely to volunteer later in their life having already been exposed to the experience. It's a win, win! Taihtsat

Why limit it to new grads? You should put your time in too.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Why limit it to new grads? You should put your time in too.

Definitely should, and have. But this is just a way to make it consistent/uniform across the country. Service is good for you, as is exercise.

 

[CougInSpain]

Definitely should, and have. But this is just a way to make it consistent/uniform across the country. Service is good for you, as is exercise.

I find it laughable that you served in the Armed Forces. So I think the only corp you served in is Ameri-corp or something similar to that.

 

[COUGinNCW]

I think you'd just increase the dropout rate.

Tying some sort of service into college admission might be something I could get on board with. I'd like to see wannabe college students out working on basic infrastructure projects. They'd be doing a service, and might actually learn something too.

That's just one of my plans for when I get elected Supreme Ruler. I also intend to make almost all forms of welfare and unemployment contingent on some sort of service. You want food stamps? Here's the mile of road you need to pick up litter on. Unemployed? Here's a ditch that needs to be dug.

Drug testing to get your check on the list? (Real drugs, not weed).

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

I find it laughable that you served in the Armed Forces. So I think the only corp you served in is Ameri-corp or something similar to that.

It's hard to quantify how stupid you seem to be! Where did I say I served in the military? These last few posts have been essentially about volunteering in your community. Do you NOT think service expands beyond the military? Do millions of Americans from all ages not SERVE their communities? You may not technically be stupid, but it's hard to tell the difference. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[95coug]

Drug testing to get your check on the list? (Real drugs, not weed).

Definitely. Hard drugs are immediately disqualifying - you get nothing.

I'd even be in favor of testing for weed, alcohol, and tobacco. If you've got enough money to spend on vices, how bad do you really need taxpayer help? Maybe using those doesn't pull the plug completely, but each one reduces your check by 1/3. Once your test is clean, you can have a full check.

Either way, that ditch isn't going to dig itself. Get back to work.

 

[CougInSpain]

It's hard to quantify how stupid you seem to be! Where did I say I served in the military? These last few posts have been essentially about volunteering in your community. Do you NOT think service expands beyond the military? Do millions of Americans from all ages not SERVE their communities? You may not technically be stupid, but it's hard to tell the difference. That's all I have to say about that.

Go hide in your home..... I heard there's a new flu strain going around, you may get the sniffles!

 

[FnuLnu]

It only says they, like you, are cut from the same cloth, dodgers of civic duties. Sad anyway you cut it.

Vaxed as are many folks who are against show trial mandates.

When Inslee, Gregiore (head of a sorority that banned blacks) and Ted Bundy were at the UW they had a head football coach who required black players to pledge a loyalty oath to the team or face dismissal.

The long time King County prosecutor at that time Charles Carroll who was a Husky legend. Carroll was openly "tough on crime" but regularly took envelopes of cash at his home from gambling, alcohol and pinball operators.

Knowing Inslee's background raised by a high ranking Seattle school district employee (dad was district AD) seeing abuses of power and corruption and hypocrisy all around him is it any wonder he carried forth this authoritarian Pay To Play culture into the COVID crisis?

SEIU union home health care who contributed to his campaign are exempt from this vax mandate order.

But last year recreational fishing was banned. (Yeah follow the science but first follow the money)

 

[HHusky]

Jay Inslee dodged the Vietnam draft while a student at the UW. Partied his ass off, and ended up in 3rd tier law school and chasing ambulances in Selah.

Joe Biden also dodged the Vietnam draft with student deferments.

Lisa Murkowski is a little hurt.

Check out the law school Rolo's attorney attended.