If Harbaugh to Michigan happens; wouldn't be suprised if Wulff lands there
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Re: If Harbaugh to Michigan happens; would be suprised if Wulff lands there
Where has Wulff proven he deserves a high major positional coach job? Eastern? Failure as a head coach at a BCS school, random assistant for the 49ers, failed as a O-Cord for a mid-major school.
Where has Wulff proven he deserves a high major positional coach job? Eastern? Failure as a head coach at a BCS school, random assistant for the 49ers, failed as a O-Cord for a mid-major school.
Re: If Harbaugh to Michigan happens; would be suprised if Wulff lands there
Harbaugh will have to hire top flight recruiters and coaches. He will have a big budget and will not settle for coaches who have been fired from their last two jobs.
Harbaugh will have to hire top flight recruiters and coaches. He will have a big budget and will not settle for coaches who have been fired from their last two jobs.
Re: If Harbaugh to Michigan happens; would be suprised if Wulff lands there
Halliday was right in his backyard. He hardly had to find him. Cooper was a known lineman. The only reason why he didn't get a ton of looks was because he was a huge grade risk. That is why he "grayshirted" and enrolled in January to try to make grades. It was not a sure thing. It is kind of the same reason why current commit Cedric Bigge-Duren is not blowing up despite him having a ton of potential.
Re: If Harbaugh to Michigan happens; would be suprised if Wulff lands there
Halliday was not a 4 star recruit.
Halliday was not a 4 star recruit.
Re: If Harbaugh to Michigan happens; would be suprised if Wulff lands there
There is a difference between "finding" talent and "landing" talent.
A far majority of the guys on his "board", turned out o.k. Look at the running back now at Utah. Skov at Stanford.
I'm one of the biggest bashers of him as a head coach at WSU, but he (or his staff) targeted some kids that turned out to be pretty successful.
There is a difference between "finding" talent and "landing" talent.
A far majority of the guys on his "board", turned out o.k. Look at the running back now at Utah. Skov at Stanford.
I'm one of the biggest bashers of him as a head coach at WSU, but he (or his staff) targeted some kids that turned out to be pretty successful.
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This post was edited on 12/17 5:14 PM by Coug1990
Couldn't you say the same thing about every P12 school? Under Doba, WSU was the first school to offer Jake Locker, and they also were one of the first schools to offer Robert Griffin III.
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Re: If Harbaugh to Michigan happens; would be suprised if Wulff lands there
I wouldn't want Wulff back at WSU but I don't know that being part of a bloodbath at a school like USF makes him a failure. Assistants get canned all the time and the fact that they are firing offensive coordinators every year tells you that USF is probably going to be a disaster for any assistant.
I wouldn't want Wulff back at WSU but I don't know that being part of a bloodbath at a school like USF makes him a failure. Assistants get canned all the time and the fact that they are firing offensive coordinators every year tells you that USF is probably going to be a disaster for any assistant.
It may be just all for naught. The latest rumor is Harbaugh going to the LA Raiders who may surpass the 6 year ,48 million deal offerred by Michigan.
Re: If Harbaugh to Michigan happens; would be suprised if Wulff lands there
Paul Wulff will land on his feet. But, getting and hired and fired is part of the game.
He was fired. If he had been successful at USF, he would still have a job. Head Coach Willie Taggert has been at USF two years. In a way, I applaud him for making this difficult choice. Sometimes you know when something is not working. Paul Allen saw it and got rid of Jim Mora after one year. That has brought the Seahawks a Super Bowl.
Paul Wulff will land on his feet. But, getting and hired and fired is part of the game.
Harbaugh unlikely to go to Michigan
I'll be pretty surprised if Harbaugh goes to Michigan.
Michigan is going to fail with their latest hiring attempt. At some point they will figure out that they have become a place where no well known, good track record coach with other options would want to coach.
Michigan may have to settle for an OC or DC from somewhere, or a small league HC, or one of the TV talking heads who used to coach.
Would have been hard to believe 3 head coaches ago. Or even 2 head coaches ago.
I'll be pretty surprised if Harbaugh goes to Michigan.
Michigan is going to fail with their latest hiring attempt. At some point they will figure out that they have become a place where no well known, good track record coach with other options would want to coach.
Michigan may have to settle for an OC or DC from somewhere, or a small league HC, or one of the TV talking heads who used to coach.
Would have been hard to believe 3 head coaches ago. Or even 2 head coaches ago.
Tuel, Halliday, Fullinmgton, Booker, Meineken,Wilson,
Buchanon, Pole, Hoffman Ellis--The starting tackle for CU was a Wulff find, then others came in. Wulff was first to offer on a ton of kids that went elsewhere.
The kid from Steilacom would have been offered last spring by Wulff.
The point TTown is correct, there are three aspects to recruiting. Identifying the talent, which T Town was speaking of, selling the university, then retaining the commitment to the end. T is making the argument that Wulff was good at the first aspect, not so good at the second too.
Buchanon, Pole, Hoffman Ellis--The starting tackle for CU was a Wulff find, then others came in. Wulff was first to offer on a ton of kids that went elsewhere.
The kid from Steilacom would have been offered last spring by Wulff.
The point TTown is correct, there are three aspects to recruiting. Identifying the talent, which T Town was speaking of, selling the university, then retaining the commitment to the end. T is making the argument that Wulff was good at the first aspect, not so good at the second too.
Re: Tuel, Halliday, Fullinmgton, Booker, Meineken,Wilson,
If Ttown is Mrs. Wulff, you are the chaser, and identifying the "talent" is something of which Wulff wives were good at, and, as such, should have justified a fifth year. Give it up, girl.
Re: Tuel, Halliday, Fullinmgton, Booker, Meineken,Wilson,
The point I made was more correct. How do you know that Wulff would have offered the kid from Steilacoom last spring. You are projecting your Wullf love. You have absolutely no idea what he would have done. None of us do. His recruiting coordinator at WSU is the recruiting coordinator at the uw. Yet, the uw hasn't offered, but they did offer what most people think is a lower rated recruit in Justiss Warren.
1990...that is like saying your hate for Wulff.
Don't even know the man. Yes, I think the crap you spewed about him his first two years was unfair and uncalled for, but I have zero lovefor Wulff.
How do I know he would have offered him. It was his MO. As a client of mine (coached at the coordinator level at two Pac 12 schools) told me years ago when Wulff was hired from the level he was, he said one thing about coaches from that level is they tend to be very good evaluators of talent cause they have to project not only the talent for their team, but figure out in the process who is D-1, D1 mid majors.
He offered Tuel before he ever started for Clovis. He offered Meikenen long before Harbaugh saw his tape. The list goes on and on. There are many examples of this happening only to lose them . So again, there is evaluation, selling, and then retaining in recruiting.
He recruited enough of a base that there were enough players supplemented by three of Leach's players to go bowling in 2013.
Don't even know the man. Yes, I think the crap you spewed about him his first two years was unfair and uncalled for, but I have zero lovefor Wulff.
How do I know he would have offered him. It was his MO. As a client of mine (coached at the coordinator level at two Pac 12 schools) told me years ago when Wulff was hired from the level he was, he said one thing about coaches from that level is they tend to be very good evaluators of talent cause they have to project not only the talent for their team, but figure out in the process who is D-1, D1 mid majors.
He offered Tuel before he ever started for Clovis. He offered Meikenen long before Harbaugh saw his tape. The list goes on and on. There are many examples of this happening only to lose them . So again, there is evaluation, selling, and then retaining in recruiting.
He recruited enough of a base that there were enough players supplemented by three of Leach's players to go bowling in 2013.
You could say that about a lot of schools...but they aren't offering
what early on in players that are what are either projects or A- players. Price made a career of this. He even said many times he had to operate this way because he had to get his foot in the door first.
And Doba was horrible at it. He even changed recruiting philosophy to not offer on many kids until mid to end of their senior year.
what early on in players that are what are either projects or A- players. Price made a career of this. He even said many times he had to operate this way because he had to get his foot in the door first.
And Doba was horrible at it. He even changed recruiting philosophy to not offer on many kids until mid to end of their senior year.
Re: Tuel, Halliday, Fullinmgton, Booker, Meineken,Wilson,
Of course, no mention is made here of the guys that never qualified, or the guys that never played a snap at WSU. And the number of guys on that side of the ledger is quite large.
It's not that hard to spot the 10s at the singles bar.
Of course, no mention is made here of the guys that never qualified, or the guys that never played a snap at WSU. And the number of guys on that side of the ledger is quite large.
Ed, you mean when I was telling people what several players said about Wulf
. Again, you are projecting your love of Wulff. You keep on saying you
have no love for Wulff, but you continue to tell us just how great he
was. Again, his recruiting coordinator is the recruiting coordinator at
the uw.
Every coach at every school can point to player they
discovered. Doba discovered Will Derting and James Darling for
example. Look at the low rated receivers that Leach and his staff have
found that are in the NFL like Danny Amendola and Wes Welker.
You
know something else that I have heard an NFL executive say, that it may
take a few years to know if a coach can win, but you can tell right away if a coach cannot.
That crap? That I said Wulff was in over his head? That crap? Yeah. That was unfair
have no love for Wulff, but you continue to tell us just how great he
was. Again, his recruiting coordinator is the recruiting coordinator at
the uw.
Every coach at every school can point to player they
discovered. Doba discovered Will Derting and James Darling for
example. Look at the low rated receivers that Leach and his staff have
found that are in the NFL like Danny Amendola and Wes Welker.
You
know something else that I have heard an NFL executive say, that it may
take a few years to know if a coach can win, but you can tell right away if a coach cannot.
Re: Tuel, Halliday, Fullinmgton, Booker, Meineken,Wilson,
A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We know Ed believes what he believes and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change his mind. Therefore, I am bowing out of this Wulff conversation right now. For anyone else that continues this conversation, as Marko said to Liam Neeson's character Bryan in the movie Taken, "Good Luck."
Such BS...
Tell me one time I said Wulff was great.
No the BS like saying he is crap after year one because he didn't win the hearts of the locker room. How he treated players unfairly, how you talked to disgruntled parents of players, how he got rid of players etc etc. Why is it unfair. cause all coaches do it. It is not a legit criticism. You talked about him being over is head because of the level he attained and his coaches.
Then the very next guy runs players out, makes it hard for players not buying in and hires a DC from Montana, an Oline coach with no oline experience. Same as the last guy, and yet you don't talk to the disgruntled parents not buying in. Just pure BS. Transitions are tough. One from Doba to Wuylff was tough. Buy in or leave. Same goes for Wulff to Leach,,,buy in or leave.
As to the recruiting coordinator, he doesn't tell Peterson who to offer. It is the other way around.
Tell me one time I said Wulff was great.
No the BS like saying he is crap after year one because he didn't win the hearts of the locker room. How he treated players unfairly, how you talked to disgruntled parents of players, how he got rid of players etc etc. Why is it unfair. cause all coaches do it. It is not a legit criticism. You talked about him being over is head because of the level he attained and his coaches.
Then the very next guy runs players out, makes it hard for players not buying in and hires a DC from Montana, an Oline coach with no oline experience. Same as the last guy, and yet you don't talk to the disgruntled parents not buying in. Just pure BS. Transitions are tough. One from Doba to Wuylff was tough. Buy in or leave. Same goes for Wulff to Leach,,,buy in or leave.
As to the recruiting coordinator, he doesn't tell Peterson who to offer. It is the other way around.
Re: If offers from Idaho, Eastern, Montana make him a 4 star recruit
Yaki - no relation to Wulff... was blasting Wulff and his staff on this very board even before he coached a down.
I was never a fan of the hire from the beginning.
But as it relates to identifying talent (Deone as an example), someone should get the credit. No other Pac-10 school was on to Deone. He turned out to be a first rounder. You can also say their are plenty of guys that fall through the cracks (JJ Watt).
But the fact is, Wulff (or his staff) also found a few diamonds in the rough at Eastern (Roos). Whether it is him, his staff, or pure luck and magic, I personally give him some credit in this category.
Leach even commmented when he started, he thought the former staff did a decent job with recruiting.
Yaki - no relation to Wulff... was blasting Wulff and his staff on this very board even before he coached a down.
I was never a fan of the hire from the beginning.
But as it relates to identifying talent (Deone as an example), someone should get the credit. No other Pac-10 school was on to Deone. He turned out to be a first rounder. You can also say their are plenty of guys that fall through the cracks (JJ Watt).
But the fact is, Wulff (or his staff) also found a few diamonds in the rough at Eastern (Roos). Whether it is him, his staff, or pure luck and magic, I personally give him some credit in this category.
Leach even commmented when he started, he thought the former staff did a decent job with recruiting.
Re: If offers from Idaho, Eastern, Montana make him a 4 star recruit
Wulff was great at spotting talent. His problems all stemmed from the fact he couldn't get enough of them to sign, then make it into school, causing a perennially unbalanced squad.
Wulff was great at spotting talent. His problems all stemmed from the fact he couldn't get enough of them to sign, then make it into school, causing a perennially unbalanced squad.
Re: Tuel, Halliday, Fullinmgton, Booker, Meineken,Wilson,
As Biggs pointed out, Wulff's staff brought in over 100 kids on scholarship to WSU. The fact a couple of them have stuck in the NFL is not a selling point. I'll go back to my old cliche, you can land that list of players just by walking into California high schools wearing a Pac12 polo.
I'll give Wulff & his staff credit for hustling on the recruiting trail. But, simply "hustling" isn't going to cut it at a school like Michigan. Wulff would be eaten alive at a school like that.
Go sell that list of players to Michigan boosters and see how excited they would be to have Wulff on staff. You'd probably get a "Who?" on each of them save for Bucannon.
As Biggs pointed out, Wulff's staff brought in over 100 kids on scholarship to WSU. The fact a couple of them have stuck in the NFL is not a selling point. I'll go back to my old cliche, you can land that list of players just by walking into California high schools wearing a Pac12 polo.
I'll give Wulff & his staff credit for hustling on the recruiting trail. But, simply "hustling" isn't going to cut it at a school like Michigan. Wulff would be eaten alive at a school like that.
Re: If offers from Idaho, Eastern, Montana make him a 4 star recruit
Wulff took fliers on recruits because he had to, not because he had some magical eye for talent that no one else had.
I don't know that Wulff was any better at "spotting talent" than any other coach in the conference at the time.
Wulff took fliers on recruits because he had to, not because he had some magical eye for talent that no one else had.
Re: If offers from Idaho, Eastern, Montana make him a 4 star recruit
Ever notice how Ed goes into hyperdrive whenever the word "Wulff" comes up?
This act is getting tired. Unfortunately, Wulff will continue dominating the board here, because the trend is for him to get fired every four years. Inevitably it will bring forth wailing and pissing and moaning from the esteemed members of the $600,000 club and pitiful pleas for people to recognize The Turd's recruiting genius in the age of internet recruiting sites.
This post was edited on 12/18 11:59 AM by YakiCoug
Ever notice how Ed goes into hyperdrive whenever the word "Wulff" comes up?
This act is getting tired. Unfortunately, Wulff will continue dominating the board here, because the trend is for him to get fired every four years. Inevitably it will bring forth wailing and pissing and moaning from the esteemed members of the $600,000 club and pitiful pleas for people to recognize The Turd's recruiting genius in the age of internet recruiting sites.
This post was edited on 12/18 11:59 AM by YakiCoug
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