Originally posted by ttowncoug:
and I personally think Wulff was a decent recruiter.
Halliday was right in his backyard. He hardly had to find him. Cooper was a known lineman. The only reason why he didn't get a ton of looks was because he was a huge grade risk. That is why he "grayshirted" and enrolled in January to try to make grades. It was not a sure thing. It is kind of the same reason why current commit Cedric Bigge-Duren is not blowing up despite him having a ton of potential.Originally posted by ttowncoug:
I always thought Wulff was a good evaluator. Maybe not. I know he found a few gems (Xavier, Halliday, Deone) that have had success for Leach.
Couldn't you say the same thing about every P12 school? Under Doba, WSU was the first school to offer Jake Locker, and they also were one of the first schools to offer Robert Griffin III.Originally posted by ttowncoug:
There is a difference between "finding" talent and "landing" talent.
A far majority of the guys on his "board", turned out o.k. Look at the running back now at Utah. Skov at Stanford.
I'm one of the biggest bashers of him as a head coach at WSU, but he (or his staff) targeted some kids that turned out to be pretty successful.
Originally posted by wazzupdx:
Where has Wulff proven he deserves a high major positional coach job? Eastern? Failure as a head coach at a BCS school, random assistant for the 49ers, failed as a O-Cord for a mid-major school.
He was fired. If he had been successful at USF, he would still have a job. Head Coach Willie Taggert has been at USF two years. In a way, I applaud him for making this difficult choice. Sometimes you know when something is not working. Paul Allen saw it and got rid of Jim Mora after one year. That has brought the Seahawks a Super Bowl.Originally posted by Flatlandcoug:
I wouldn't want Wulff back at WSU but I don't know that being part of a bloodbath at a school like USF makes him a failure. Assistants get canned all the time and the fact that they are firing offensive coordinators every year tells you that USF is probably going to be a disaster for any assistant.
Originally posted by wazzupdx:
Where has Wulff proven he deserves a high major positional coach job? Eastern? Failure as a head coach at a BCS school, random assistant for the 49ers, failed as a O-Cord for a mid-major school.
If Ttown is Mrs. Wulff, you are the chaser, and identifying the "talent" is something of which Wulff wives were good at, and, as such, should have justified a fifth year. Give it up, girl.Originally posted by CougEd:
Buchanon, Pole, Hoffman Ellis--The starting tackle for CU was a Wulff find, then others came in. Wulff was first to offer on a ton of kids that went elsewhere.
The kid from Steilacom would have been offered last spring by Wulff.
The point TTown is correct, there are three aspects to recruiting. Identifying the talent, which T Town was speaking of, selling the university, then retaining the commitment to the end. T is making the argument that Wulff was good at the first aspect, not so good at the second too.
The point I made was more correct. How do you know that Wulff would have offered the kid from Steilacoom last spring. You are projecting your Wullf love. You have absolutely no idea what he would have done. None of us do. His recruiting coordinator at WSU is the recruiting coordinator at the uw. Yet, the uw hasn't offered, but they did offer what most people think is a lower rated recruit in Justiss Warren.Originally posted by CougEd:
Buchanon, Pole, Hoffman Ellis--The starting tackle for CU was a Wulff find, then others came in. Wulff was first to offer on a ton of kids that went elsewhere.
The kid from Steilacom would have been offered last spring by Wulff.
The point TTown is correct, there are three aspects to recruiting. Identifying the talent, which T Town was speaking of, selling the university, then retaining the commitment to the end. T is making the argument that Wulff was good at the first aspect, not so good at the second too.
It's not that hard to spot the 10s at the singles bar.Originally posted by CougEd:
Buchanon, Pole, Hoffman Ellis--The starting tackle for CU was a Wulff find, then others came in. Wulff was first to offer on a ton of kids that went elsewhere.
The kid from Steilacom would have been offered last spring by Wulff.
The point TTown is correct, there are three aspects to recruiting. Identifying the talent, which T Town was speaking of, selling the university, then retaining the commitment to the end. T is making the argument that Wulff was good at the first aspect, not so good at the second too.
That crap? That I said Wulff was in over his head? That crap? Yeah. That was unfairOriginally posted by CougEd:
Don't even know the man. Yes, I think the crap you spewed about him his first two years was unfair and uncalled for, but I have zero lovefor Wulff.
How do I know he would have offered him. It was his MO. As a client of mine (coached at the coordinator level at two Pac 12 schools) told me years ago when Wulff was hired from the level he was, he said one thing about coaches from that level is they tend to be very good evaluators of talent cause they have to project not only the talent for their team, but figure out in the process who is D-1, D1 mid majors.
He offered Tuel before he ever started for Clovis. He offered Meikenen long before Harbaugh saw his tape. The list goes on and on. There are many examples of this happening only to lose them . So again, there is evaluation, selling, and then retaining in recruiting.
He recruited enough of a base that there were enough players supplemented by three of Leach's players to go bowling in 2013.
A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We know Ed believes what he believes and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change his mind. Therefore, I am bowing out of this Wulff conversation right now. For anyone else that continues this conversation, as Marko said to Liam Neeson's character Bryan in the movie Taken, "Good Luck."Originally posted by dgibbons:
It's not that hard to spot the 10s at the singles bar.Originally posted by CougEd:
Buchanon, Pole, Hoffman Ellis--The starting tackle for CU was a Wulff find, then others came in. Wulff was first to offer on a ton of kids that went elsewhere.
The kid from Steilacom would have been offered last spring by Wulff.
The point TTown is correct, there are three aspects to recruiting. Identifying the talent, which T Town was speaking of, selling the university, then retaining the commitment to the end. T is making the argument that Wulff was good at the first aspect, not so good at the second too.
Of course, no mention is made here of the guys that never qualified, or the guys that never played a snap at WSU. And the number of guys on that side of the ledger is quite large.
Yeah, if this isn't patently obvious based on all the guys who come back next year as Wulffs last recruiting class... they're the bedrock of this team, still.Originally posted by chinookpirate:
Wulff was great at spotting talent. His problems all stemmed from the fact he couldn't get enough of them to sign, then make it into school, causing a perennially unbalanced squad.
Go sell that list of players to Michigan boosters and see how excited they would be to have Wulff on staff. You'd probably get a "Who?" on each of them save for Bucannon.Originally posted by CougEd:
Buchanon, Pole, Hoffman Ellis--The starting tackle for CU was a Wulff find, then others came in. Wulff was first to offer on a ton of kids that went elsewhere.
The kid from Steilacom would have been offered last spring by Wulff.
The point TTown is correct, there are three aspects to recruiting. Identifying the talent, which T Town was speaking of, selling the university, then retaining the commitment to the end. T is making the argument that Wulff was good at the first aspect, not so good at the second too.
I don't know that Wulff was any better at "spotting talent" than any other coach in the conference at the time.Originally posted by chinookpirate:
Wulff was great at spotting talent. His problems all stemmed from the fact he couldn't get enough of them to sign, then make it into school, causing a perennially unbalanced squad.