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is it the greatest season ever for a college football team. They would have gone undefeated and beat the following teams.

Clemson currently ranked 3
Oklahoma currently ranked 4
Georgia currently ranked 5
Florida currently ranked 9
Auburn currently ranked 12
Alabama currently ranked 13

Factor in Joe Burrow's huge year and they have to be right up there.

The 1995 Nebraska team was bad ass they scored 638 points (50+ per game) while only allowing 174 (14 per game). Their average margin of victory was 38 pts. They beat four top 10 teams and destroyed the Gators in the Fiesta bowl 62-24. They laid 63 first half points on Arizona State that year. WSU played them tougher than anybody that season. Remember Frank Madu's 87 yard run!! We ended up losing 35-21.

Discuss.
 
Greatest ever is a high bar, but they struck me early on as being light years ahead of the rest of college football. Similar to Oklahoma in 2000. Teams they've played just don't have an answer to the scheme. FWIW, I think this is a one and done deal for LSU. Every SEC D coordinator is going to spend the off season figuring out how to stop this offense and someone is going to knock them off.

But Clemson is in for a beat down tomorrow unless LSU thinks all they have to do is show up.
 
Greatest ever is a high bar, but they struck me early on as being light years ahead of the rest of college football. Similar to Oklahoma in 2000. Teams they've played just don't have an answer to the scheme. FWIW, I think this is a one and done deal for LSU. Every SEC D coordinator is going to spend the off season figuring out how to stop this offense and someone is going to knock them off.

But Clemson is in for a beat down tomorrow unless LSU thinks all they have to do is show up.
They won't have to figure out how to stop it. LSU won't have a QB that can execute it anywhere near the level Joe has.
 
I agree that an LSU championship would put them in pretty hallowed company. Like 2001 Miami, 2004 USC, 95 Nebraska territory.
 
is it the greatest season ever for a college football team. They would have gone undefeated and beat the following teams.

Clemson currently ranked 3
Oklahoma currently ranked 4
Georgia currently ranked 5
Florida currently ranked 9
Auburn currently ranked 12
Alabama currently ranked 13

Factor in Joe Burrow's huge year and they have to be right up there.

The 1995 Nebraska team was bad ass they scored 638 points (50+ per game) while only allowing 174 (14 per game). Their average margin of victory was 38 pts. They beat four top 10 teams and destroyed the Gators in the Fiesta bowl 62-24. They laid 63 first half points on Arizona State that year. WSU played them tougher than anybody that season. Remember Frank Madu's 87 yard run!! We ended up losing 35-21.

Discuss.

If they win, they'll be in the discussion.....but it's impossible to really judge between great teams from each era. Random's list is a good one of the most dominant teams.

That 1995 Nebraska team was a wrecking ball and never struggled with anyone the way that LSU did against a Texas team that lost 5 games.

The 2004 USC team was similar to this LSU squad in the fact that they let a couple teams hang around, but it had a far more dominant defense.

The 2001 Miami team was a juggernaut that outscored their competition 512 to 117. They didn't face a particularly tough schedule though.

Not that I want to give UW any props, but their 1991 team was pretty damned impressive.

The thing that makes it tough to respect LSU's wins over top ranked teams is that we know that the SEC is gaming the system to stack wins for their top teams and to artificially elevate their conference prestige. I'll say that LSU did look great against Georgia and Oklahoma but I think that says more about how over-rated those teams were than anything else.
 
I’d give the edge to that Nebraska team, but I have a soft spot for the triple option.

what LSU is doing this year is pretty impressive though.
 
Joe Burrows is the real deal. Every game is a highlight reel. LSU is really good but also beatable without him. They could have scored 50% more points if they let him loose in the 3rd and 4th quarters instead of reeling in. Yes he has an elite team around him but he scarcely needs one with the throws/decisions he makes.

Anybody who has watched him will know how special he is, and how essential he is to their success. What makes him so special is not only the touch and the release, but knowing when to run for a few yards vs throw it away vs wait for people to come open. Football IQ is off the charts. Not even mad that he torched Georgia.

 
Defense wins ball games and Clemson is the best defensive team in the nation. Burrow is best looking quarterback to come out in years. I'm taking Clemson, but not missing LSU when they've got the ball.
 
Defense wins ball games and Clemson is the best defensive team in the nation. Burrow is best looking quarterback to come out in years. I'm taking Clemson, but not missing LSU when they've got the ball.

I guess that's my biggest criticism of LSU when compared to other "great" teams. Florida, Alabama, Texas, and Auburn all went toe to toe with LSU and had chances to win. Ole Miss outscored LSU 23-6 for the middle 30 minutes of their game in almost coming back from a 28-0 deficit......and Ole Miss finished 4-8 this year. A truly great team doesn't need to rally to beat a 4-8 team. A national champ might......but not one that expects to be named the greatest all time. They don't give up over 300 points in a season. LSU will be in the conversation for greatest team ever, but it's hard to argue with the outright dominance of teams like the 1995 Cornhuskers. They were guilty of overlooking us in our game in 1995....but they were still leading 20-7 at halftime after rolling through us unhindered in the 2nd quarter. If Osborne were like many coaches that we've seen, he'd have left his starters in longer and crushed us completely but I think he kind of wanted his team to be uncomfortable and struggle a bit. We can hold our heads high and say that our starters were better than their scrubs.
 
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Defense wins ball games and Clemson is the best defensive team in the nation. Burrow is best looking quarterback to come out in years. I'm taking Clemson, but not missing LSU when they've got the ball.
I’d go with LSU but Clemson certainly had a much stiffer test than LSU in the semis. Hard to make of what LSU did to Oklahoma, that was probably the 8th or 9th best defense they’ve seen this year. That game was pretty predictable.
 
I’d go with LSU but Clemson certainly had a much stiffer test than LSU in the semis. Hard to make of what LSU did to Oklahoma, that was probably the 8th or 9th best defense they’ve seen this year. That game was pretty predictable.
What impressed in that game wasn't LSU lighting up the scoreboard. Everyone knew that was coming. It was actually their defense. That was the best defensive performance I've seen from them, by far
 
I guess that's my biggest criticism of LSU when compared to other "great" teams. Florida, Alabama, Texas, and Auburn all went toe to toe with LSU and had chances to win. Ole Miss outscored LSU 23-6 for the middle 30 minutes of their game in almost coming back from a 28-0 deficit......and Ole Miss finished 4-8 this year. A truly great team doesn't need to rally to beat a 4-8 team. A national champ might......but not one that expects to be named the greatest all time. They don't give up over 300 points in a season. LSU will be in the conversation for greatest team ever, but it's hard to argue with the outright dominance of teams like the 1995 Cornhuskers. They were guilty of overlooking us in our game in 1995....but they were still leading 20-7 at halftime after rolling through us unhindered in the 2nd quarter. If Osborne were like many coaches that we've seen, he'd have left his starters in longer and crushed us completely but I think he kind of wanted his team to be uncomfortable and struggle a bit. We can hold our heads high and say that our starters were better than their scrubs.
"Went toe to toe with chances to win," "dominated the middle 30 minutes," etc etc etc. LSU is undefeated and played one of the most insane schedules in CFB. Not sure if they are "the greatest ever" but it is a generationally good team; quite possibly the best of the last 10 years or beyond.

By contrast, here is #1 defense Clemson's schedule, against whom they became the #1 defense. Not a got-damn challenge on there. Even A&M (who I think is better than their record) had to go on the road to Clemson in Week 2. WSU would have won 10+ games with Clemson's schedule. I mean look at these regular seasons side by side, Clemson vs LSU. By end of day, LSU will have played literally HALF the other teams in the Top 13, and 1/3 of the other teams in the Top 10. They beat the latter by a combined 47 points! Clemson's season was wrapped up in the first week of September.

As far as Nebraska etc., I think there has to be a delineation of eras. Playing in the age of targeting and ticky-tack PI and all kinds of new rules around blocking and grabbing and hitting and tackling, the pre-2000s were to football what the UFC is to fighting: no rules, just knock the other guy out and celebrate after you crush a slot receiver's spine coming over the middle. Winning today means something completely different than winning in the 90s. Don't know if that's better or worse, but who knows if 2019 LSU wins 8+ in that era, or if 90s Nebraska wins 8+ in this one?

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LSU is undefeated and played one of the most insane schedules in CFB.

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Georgia Southern, Northwestern State, Utah State and not a single game played out of the south.

Ole Miss thumped at home by Cal.

Three of their division opponents just fired their coach.

Great team but more off weeks than the New England Pats.
 
"Went toe to toe with chances to win," "dominated the middle 30 minutes," etc etc etc. LSU is undefeated and played one of the most insane schedules in CFB. Not sure if they are "the greatest ever" but it is a generationally good team; quite possibly the best of the last 10 years or beyond.

By contrast, here is #1 defense Clemson's schedule, against whom they became the #1 defense. Not a got-damn challenge on there. Even A&M (who I think is better than their record) had to go on the road to Clemson in Week 2. WSU would have won 10+ games with Clemson's schedule. I mean look at these regular seasons side by side, Clemson vs LSU. By end of day, LSU will have played literally HALF the other teams in the Top 13, and 1/3 of the other teams in the Top 10. They beat the latter by a combined 47 points! Clemson's season was wrapped up in the first week of September.

As far as Nebraska etc., I think there has to be a delineation of eras. Playing in the age of targeting and ticky-tack PI and all kinds of new rules around blocking and grabbing and hitting and tackling, the pre-2000s were to football what the UFC is to fighting: no rules, just knock the other guy out and celebrate after you crush a slot receiver's spine coming over the middle. Winning today means something completely different than winning in the 90s. Don't know if that's better or worse, but who knows if 2019 LSU wins 8+ in that era, or if 90s Nebraska wins 8+ in this one?

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Well.....I think that either team is good enough to go undefeated in either era.

As far as insane schedules go.....it's impressive that they are undefeated against the schedule....but it's a schedule that's geared to look great. Texas finished with 5 losses and was a deeply flawed team that played great at times. Florida was very good, but outside of their win against Auburn, the rest of the wins on their schedule was filled with teams with 5+ losses. Auburn had a nice opening week win against Oregon and knocked off Alabama without Tua, but their best other win was 5 loss Texas A&M. Speaking of Texas A&M, they lost to every team with a heartbeat this year. They had SEVEN wins against teams with losing records! Oklahoma was a deeply flawed champion of a league suffering through a down year and wouldn't have made the playoff if not for Oregon choking against ASU. Georgia was damned good, but they played 8 teams with 5+ losses (and somehow managed to lose to one of them).

This year was just a weird, down year in college football with a limited number of teams that looked great. The top three looked great and Alabama was great before they lost their QB, but the rest of college football was filled with teams that were capable of losing on any given weekend to both good and bad foes. LSU looks great, but they operate in a biased environment that's designed to enhance the chances of that happening. Despite getting an extra cupcake foe on their schedule, nine SEC teams had 5+ losses. When that happens in the Pac-12, we are told that it's because the league is down. When it happens in the SEC.....we are told that it's because their best teams are so great. FWIW, the Pac-12 wasn't good this year, so I'm not saying anything about our conference compared to the SEC.
 
Defense wins ball games and Clemson is the best defensive team in the nation. Burrow is best looking quarterback to come out in years. I'm taking Clemson, but not missing LSU when they've got the ball.
I see LSU going into this overconfident, and Clemson with an extra week to come up with a defensive scheme. Plus, I'm rooting for LSU, so, obviously, it will be Clemson. Again.
 
Georgia Southern, Northwestern State, Utah State and not a single game played out of the south.

Ole Miss thumped at home by Cal.

Three of their division opponents just fired their coach.

Great team but more off weeks than the New England Pats.
Yeah, I saw at least 8 gimmes in there.

Could you imagine P12 teams having that schedule? I imagine 8 out of the 12 would have 8+ wins. Maybe even 10 teams with 8+ wins.
 
Well.....I think that either team is good enough to go undefeated in either era.

As far as insane schedules go.....it's impressive that they are undefeated against the schedule....but it's a schedule that's geared to look great. Texas finished with 5 losses and was a deeply flawed team that played great at times. Florida was very good, but outside of their win against Auburn, the rest of the wins on their schedule was filled with teams with 5+ losses. Auburn had a nice opening week win against Oregon and knocked off Alabama without Tua, but their best other win was 5 loss Texas A&M. Speaking of Texas A&M, they lost to every team with a heartbeat this year. They had SEVEN wins against teams with losing records! Oklahoma was a deeply flawed champion of a league suffering through a down year and wouldn't have made the playoff if not for Oregon choking against ASU. Georgia was damned good, but they played 8 teams with 5+ losses (and somehow managed to lose to one of them).

This year was just a weird, down year in college football with a limited number of teams that looked great. The top three looked great and Alabama was great before they lost their QB, but the rest of college football was filled with teams that were capable of losing on any given weekend to both good and bad foes. LSU looks great, but they operate in a biased environment that's designed to enhance the chances of that happening. Despite getting an extra cupcake foe on their schedule, nine SEC teams had 5+ losses. When that happens in the Pac-12, we are told that it's because the league is down. When it happens in the SEC.....we are told that it's because their best teams are so great. FWIW, the Pac-12 wasn't good this year, so I'm not saying anything about our conference compared to the SEC.
Deconstructing LSU's insane schedule (#7 SOS) is one of the great exercises in sophistry this year. Few teams in the nation played as many Top 12-13 opponents, and NOBODY beat them all - except LSU.

And I'm not sure you understand that Clemson played A&M (at home in Week 2) as their lone challenge this year? Like Texas (#5 SOS) and others, A&M (#18 SOS) has a series of losses against a very quality of opponent. Clemson is one of the best teams in CFB this year but would have dropped a couple games in the SECW and gone winless in the NFL - does that make them a bad team?
 
Georgia Southern, Northwestern State, Utah State and not a single game played out of the south.

Ole Miss thumped at home by Cal.

Three of their division opponents just fired their coach.

Great team but more off weeks than the New England Pats.
#7 SOS.

Now do Clemson and its #56 SOS...
 
Deconstructing LSU's insane schedule (#7 SOS) is one of the great exercises in sophistry this year. Few teams in the nation played as many Top 12-13 opponents, and NOBODY beat them all - except LSU.

And I'm not sure you understand that Clemson played A&M (at home in Week 2) as their lone challenge this year? Like Texas (#5 SOS) and others, A&M (#18 SOS) has a series of losses against a very quality of opponent. Clemson is one of the best teams in CFB this year but would have dropped a couple games in the SECW and gone winless in the NFL - does that make them a bad team?

First, you don't know that Clemson would have lost games in the SEC this year.....we'll know a lot more about them in the next few hours. Everyone knows that the SEC has figured out how to game the system.
 
First, you don't know that Clemson would have lost games in the SEC this year.....we'll know a lot more about them in the next few hours. Everyone knows that the SEC has figured out how to game the system.
So this is like a Russia thing vis-a-vis the US: enemy of my enemy is my friend. Anybody but the SEC; you're sick of hearing about it - we get it. Sour grapes.
 
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#7 SOS.

Now do Clemson and its #56 SOS...
Ok, so when/ if Clemson wins, how do you reconcile that?

Obviously to you measuring teams with equal records comes down to SOS, right? So if Clemson, who is according to your SOS is not only a worse team, but VASTLY worse by 49 spots. Thats the point you're trying to make, right? Clemson is a paper tiger and will get steamrolled by LSU?
 
Ok, so when/ if Clemson wins, how do you reconcile that?

Obviously to you measuring teams with equal records comes down to SOS, right? So if Clemson, who is according to your SOS is not only a worse team, but VASTLY worse by 49 spots. Thats the point you're trying to make, right? Clemson is a paper tiger and will get steamrolled by LSU?
What is everyone flipping out about? Clemson beat OSU who was almost the 1. This Clemson team (lots of same players) also crushed Bama last year in the final. I think it’s safe to assume they took their foot off the throttle a bit in the regular season. They obviously belong on the same field with this LSU team.
 
Ok, so when/ if Clemson wins, how do you reconcile that?

Obviously to you measuring teams with equal records comes down to SOS, right? So if Clemson, who is according to your SOS is not only a worse team, but VASTLY worse by 49 spots. Thats the point you're trying to make, right? Clemson is a paper tiger and will get steamrolled by LSU?
No. The point is, you don't know.

Until a couple years ago, that was the B10 in a nutshell: basically 1 great team per division who would rack up all kinds of insane rankings and stats and hype - all while feeding on a diet of Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, etc. Then they'd flop in bowl games because the "greatness" was a schedule-based illusion. Clearly Clemson is a great team - and I'd venture the best coached team in CFB - but what is the yardstick when your schedule is Wofford, Boston College and Wake Forest?

Also, let's not forget that there are multiple posters throwing shade on LSU's schedule. All they've done is played a Top 10 schedule and smoked everyone. We can be pretty certain they're a great team. The fact that I'm here defending LSU and its undefeated record vs its elite schedule vs Clemson's doing the same vs a Juco schedule is so silly.
 
What is everyone flipping out about? Clemson beat OSU who was almost the 1. This Clemson team (lots of same players) also crushed Bama last year in the final. I think it’s safe to assume they took their foot off the throttle a bit in the regular season. They obviously belong on the same field with this LSU team.
I don't think there is a single poster in this thread saying Clemson doesn't belong in the game.
 
No. The point is, you don't know.

Until a couple years ago, that was the B10 in a nutshell: basically 1 great team per division who would rack up all kinds of insane rankings and stats and hype - all while feeding on a diet of Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, etc. Then they'd flop in bowl games because the "greatness" was a schedule-based illusion. Clearly Clemson is a great team - and I'd venture the best coached team in CFB - but what is the yardstick when your schedule is Wofford, Boston College and Wake Forest?

Also, let's not forget that there are multiple posters throwing shade on LSU's schedule. All they've done is played a Top 10 schedule and smoked everyone. We can be pretty certain they're a great team. The fact that I'm here defending LSU and its undefeated record vs its elite schedule vs Clemson's doing the same vs a Juco schedule is so silly.
You're throwing shade at a 29-0 team. I don't care if you play Sister Mary's school of the blind, that is damn near impossible these days. They took care of business against the team many thought was THE BEST team in college football.

I just don't get the shade outside of being myopically slanted for one reason or another.
 
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I don't think there is a single poster in this thread saying Clemson doesn't belong in the game.
Seems like a lot of people would rather see Georgia or Bama or something because of SOS. I had LSU but expected this kind of a game.
 
Seems like a lot of people would rather see Georgia or Bama or something because of SOS. I had LSU but expected this kind of a game.
I'm the only one who brought up SOS - but that was not an argument for Alabama/Georgia being in this game. LSU smoked Georgia in the SECCG and neither team was truly a Top 4 team by the end of the season.
 
Seems like a lot of people would rather see Georgia or Bama or something because of SOS. I had LSU but expected this kind of a game.
You're not wrong - that has been the national discussion since before the playoffs. "Well, Clemson doesnt technically deserve to be there because SOS, buuuuuuut they're 13-0, so what can we do?"
 
You're throwing shade at a 29-0 team. I don't care if you play Sister Mary's school of the blind, that is damn near impossible these days. They took care of business against the team many thought was THE BEST team in college football.

I just don't get the shade outside of being myopically slanted for one reason or another.
  • You could have said EXACTLY the same thing about Alabama before any of its losses
  • 2019 Clemson only played 14 games YTD - see Alabama from prior years
We're watching two great teams here. Both went undefeated, but one played a very difficult schedule and the other didn't. That's what we "know" going into this game.
 
You're not wrong - that has been the national discussion since before the playoffs. "Well, Clemson doesnt technically deserve to be there because SOS, buuuuuuut they're 13-0, so what can we do?"
Who are you responding to that is saying Clemson shouldn't be in the game?

IIRC, this whole tangent was started by Flat throwing shade at LSU and pumping up Clemson's "#1" defense. It's fair to point out that - like the B10 historically - it's very possible to be average or below and still rack up stats in a good situation. Somehow the anti-SEC club translated that to "we should end the season with the SECCG"?

Weird.
 
It's clear LSU is by far the better team. Clemson threw everything but the kitchen sink at them and TRAIL by 11. Great game, but unless Dabo has something up his sleeve, it's pretty much over.
 
Who are you responding to that is saying Clemson shouldn't be in the game?

IIRC, this whole tangent was started by Flat throwing shade at LSU and pumping up Clemson's "#1" defense. It's fair to point out that - like the B10 historically - it's very possible to be average or below and still rack up stats in a good situation. Somehow the anti-SEC club translated that to "we should end the season with the SECCG"?

Weird.
"its been the national conversation"

I'm responding to the person I hit "reply" to.
 
That's a dodge - you're arguing against a straw man of unspecified people saying they shouldn't be in this game, but there is no person and no comment you can point to.
Sorry, I'm not jumping in my time machine and going back 6 weeks to search through the sports talking heads archives, but I heard, read, and saw what I saw, so you can shove your strawman. I'm sure a "clemson overrated" google search will yield you plenty.
 
Sorry, I'm not jumping in my time machine and going back 6 weeks to search through the sports talking heads archives, but I heard, read, and saw what I saw, so you can shove your strawman. I'm sure a "clemson overrated" google search will yield you plenty.
So wait, TC opens this thread saying LSU is elite, Flat disputes that citing various [specious, IMO] arguments, I open it up to SOS - and you're telling us that you're now talking to exactly nobody and no particular argument in this thread? OK.
 
So wait, TC opens this thread saying LSU is elite, Flat disputes that citing various [specious, IMO] arguments, I open it up to SOS - and you're telling us that you're now talking to exactly nobody and no particular argument in this thread? OK.

I'm saying that making a big deal about "strength of schedule" for a team that plays in a league that games the system to inflate their strength of schedule on paper means that it doesn't matter if LSU beat a bunch of over-hyped teams when trying to compare them to teams from another time and place. Yeah, LSU looks great, but would 1995 Nebraska have won their conference championship, beaten a semi-final team to give them another couple wins against Top 10 competition?

Just for grins, in 1995, I looked at the final Top 25 of 1995. Throwing in current Big 12 members into the mix just to make as equal comparison as possible, that 1995 Nebraska team would have faced (and beaten) the following teams in their quest for a national title (bold are the teams that they did beat):

#2 Florida State
#4 Tennessee (they finished #3 in the final poll but would have been #4 at the time of the semifinal game)
#5 Colorado
#7 Kansas State
#9 Kansas

#14 Texas

They could have potentially had #23 Texas Tech on their schedule. Now, you can argue that the Big 8 was the SEC of that era with weak teams at the bottom and artificially inflated records at the top. Regardless, that 1995 Nebraska team would have beaten five Top 10 teams and never got seriously pushed by anyone that they actually played. They only trailed one time in the entire freaking season.....and that was to little ol' Wazzu on a fluke run by Madu.

That 2001 Miami team only faced 5 ranked teams but that would have jumped to 7 ranked teams in today's system. They would have had to beat #11 Maryland in the ACC championship, #3 FSU in the semi-final and #2 Oregon (instead of #4 Nebraska). Since they didn't get the opportunity to do that.....we'll never know. But given the way that they destroyed their competition all year long, you don't put an LSU team with a on again/off again defense ahead just because they played in the "mighty" SEC of 2019.

Looking back further, the 1971 Nebraska team beat the #2, #3 and #4 ranked teams. Given a playoff, they would have added #6 Michigan onto their trophy list that year. Hard to argue the greatness of a team that beat all three of the teams right behind them in the polls.

There are numerous other examples of great teams over the decades where they didn't have the extra games on their schedule, a conference geared to game the system and a playoff to showoff an extra time. So, while LSU does have a great team and deserves to be in the discussion as one of the great teams, but the fact that they are the most recent champ and enjoying the above changes doesn't anoint them the "greatest season ever".

I don't like the way that the SEC games the system and that does taint my viewpoint, but watching LSU struggle against Texas, trail against several other teams throughout the season, and give up close to 22 points per game doesn't make me feel that they played the greatest season ever. The greatest teams that I've seen play were incredibly dominant and smothered people throughout the season. LSU has grown into a tremendous team as the season went on, but they aren't in my top 5 for greatest teams or seasons.

I respect what Coach O has done there, but our need to bless everything current as the "greatest eva!" is just a little unsettling for me. Don't feel bad though, it's got nothing to do with you in particular....it's a cultural thing.
 
I'm saying that making a big deal about "strength of schedule" for a team that plays in a league that games the system to inflate their strength of schedule on paper means that it doesn't matter if LSU beat a bunch of over-hyped teams when trying to compare them to teams from another time and place. Yeah, LSU looks great, but would 1995 Nebraska have won their conference championship, beaten a semi-final team to give them another couple wins against Top 10 competition?

Just for grins, in 1995, I looked at the final Top 25 of 1995. Throwing in current Big 12 members into the mix just to make as equal comparison as possible, that 1995 Nebraska team would have faced (and beaten) the following teams in their quest for a national title (bold are the teams that they did beat):

#2 Florida State
#4 Tennessee (they finished #3 in the final poll but would have been #4 at the time of the semifinal game)
#5 Colorado
#7 Kansas State
#9 Kansas

#14 Texas

They could have potentially had #23 Texas Tech on their schedule. Now, you can argue that the Big 8 was the SEC of that era with weak teams at the bottom and artificially inflated records at the top. Regardless, that 1995 Nebraska team would have beaten five Top 10 teams and never got seriously pushed by anyone that they actually played. They only trailed one time in the entire freaking season.....and that was to little ol' Wazzu on a fluke run by Madu.

That 2001 Miami team only faced 5 ranked teams but that would have jumped to 7 ranked teams in today's system. They would have had to beat #11 Maryland in the ACC championship, #3 FSU in the semi-final and #2 Oregon (instead of #4 Nebraska). Since they didn't get the opportunity to do that.....we'll never know. But given the way that they destroyed their competition all year long, you don't put an LSU team with a on again/off again defense ahead just because they played in the "mighty" SEC of 2019.

Looking back further, the 1971 Nebraska team beat the #2, #3 and #4 ranked teams. Given a playoff, they would have added #6 Michigan onto their trophy list that year. Hard to argue the greatness of a team that beat all three of the teams right behind them in the polls.

There are numerous other examples of great teams over the decades where they didn't have the extra games on their schedule, a conference geared to game the system and a playoff to showoff an extra time. So, while LSU does have a great team and deserves to be in the discussion as one of the great teams, but the fact that they are the most recent champ and enjoying the above changes doesn't anoint them the "greatest season ever".

I don't like the way that the SEC games the system and that does taint my viewpoint, but watching LSU struggle against Texas, trail against several other teams throughout the season, and give up close to 22 points per game doesn't make me feel that they played the greatest season ever. The greatest teams that I've seen play were incredibly dominant and smothered people throughout the season. LSU has grown into a tremendous team as the season went on, but they aren't in my top 5 for greatest teams or seasons.

I respect what Coach O has done there, but our need to bless everything current as the "greatest eva!" is just a little unsettling for me. Don't feel bad though, it's got nothing to do with you in particular....it's a cultural thing.
I'm not sure there is an "our need" to bless everything as the best ever. TC floated the idea. You disagree. I think they're perhaps the best of the last 10-20 years. Clearly there is no consensus on a shared need to classify everything best ever.

The whole exercise about Nebraska/Miami we'll never settle. One problem is eras, as I've pointed out. How many targeting penalties would Nebraska or Miami have gotten? Did they have the strength and the finesse to adapt? My feeling is it's easier to hit guys over the middle than it is to remember the 5 tackling principles in realtime without drawing laundry. Also recall that Miami was cheating for much of its run, as was tOSU and Oregon and SMU and USC etc. I would elect to put an asterisk next to any program which was convicted of being dirty.

In any event, we'll never know who was best, but I feel pretty good about LSU being the best of the last decade or two.

PS this "mighty SEC" stuff has got to stop. Do you know what kind of losers this makes us look like? We are the 5 in high school sneering at the prom queen up against the wall with our friends while she's the most popular girl in school. If you hate the SEC, BEAT 'EM, but either way, the "she not even that hot" talk is just sad.
 
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