Incarnate Word TE Stats in 2021

[WASH ST A&M FAN]

With all the chatter last week on here around Morris “changing” his offense that got him promoted to a Power5 OC due to the add of a TE. *Hogwash*. He used a TE at Incarnate Word this year.

Three Guys teamed for:

22 receptions
199 yards
3 Touchdowns
Long of 24 yards

Don’t bite on the shiny new coach speak language.

 

[CougEd]

With all the chatter last week on here around Morris “changing” his offense that got him promoted to a Power5 OC due to the add of a TE. *Hogwash*. He used a TE at Incarnate Word this year.

Three Guys teamed for:

22 receptions
199 yards
3 Touchdowns
Long of 24 yards

Don’t bite on the shiny new coach speak language.

Great advice … or maybe someone should listen to the concerns . It really isn’t about putting TE on the field and have them in for 35 plays a game . I think the concern is bodies and taking up roster spot that would go to oline man .

 

[WASH ST A&M FAN]

Great advice … or maybe someone should listen to the concerns . It really isn’t about putting TE on the field and have them in for 35 plays a game . I think the concern is bodies and taking up roster spot that would go to oline man .

Reading Comprehension!!!

 

[CougPatrol]

No choice but to trust the coaches on this. If we’re able to recruit 1-2 stud athletes like this in every class, it's worth it. At least I think it is. Regarding IW's use of their TE's, were they any good? Despite their low catch numbers, did they contribute to the overall high level of offensive success they enjoyed?

 

[Cheneycoug]

Great advice … or maybe someone should listen to the concerns . It really isn’t about putting TE on the field and have them in for 35 plays a game . I think the concern is bodies and taking up roster spot that would go to oline man .

in this brave New World of the transfer portal, I do not think that having balanced classes or certain numbers of positions recruited from the high school ranks every year will matter. I bet a few years down the road you will see schools like WSU will have three oline starters that they developed and two transfer players starting.

 

[froropmkr72]

No choice but to trust the coaches on this. If were able to recruit 1-2 stud athletes like this in every class, it's worth it. At least I think it is. Regarding IW's use of their TE's, were they any good? Despite their low catch numbers, did they contribute to the overall high level of offensive success they enjoyed?

How much money in scholarships is it worth though and how many over the course of 4-5 years.

 

[mikalalas]

in this brave New World of the transfer portal, I do not think that having balanced classes or certain numbers of positions recruited from the high school ranks every year will matter. I bet a few years down the road you will see schools like WSU will have three oline starters that they developed and two transfer players starting.

This!^^^^^^

WSU now gets 25 schollies, + 7 Transfer Portal schollies, for 32 total schollies.

That's more than enough to get 4,5,4.5 OL per year and get 2 scholly TE's per year, without affecting any other position.

If WSU only had 25 schollies, instead of 32, then while I still think even 25 would be enough for both 4,5 OL, 2 TE per year without hurting anything, I can see, understand why WSU old timers like Biggs would have a problem with getting 2 TE with 25 schollies.

But WSU now has 32 schollies to get 4,5 OL, and 2 TE, and whatever else need.

So everything should be fine with 25 schollies, + 7 transfer Portal schollies, for 32 total schollies.

 

[CougPatrol]

How much money in scholarships is it worth though and how many over the course of 4-5 years.

We’d have to see what they bring to the team before we can answer that. How good do they have to be?

If he’s a 20 reception/year, short yardage package and special teams starter, is it worth it? I’d say yes. This particular kids measurables make him one of the more impressive athletes on the team.

 

[froropmkr72]

We’d have to see what they bring to the team before we can answer that. How good do they have to be?

If he’s a 20 reception/year, short yardage package and special teams starter, is it worth it? I’d say yes. This particular kids measurables make him one of the more impressive athletes on the team.

How many scholarships would you devote over 4 years for 20 receptions?

 

[sellas]

How many scholarships would you devote over 4 years for 20 receptions?

how much does it open up in run game? screen game? goaline? RPOs? Keep a D off balance?

 

[etowncoug]

how much does it open up in run game? screen game? goaline? RPOs? Keep a D off balance?

Not one bit. Makes the offense much easier to stop.

 

[etowncoug]

how much does it open up in run game? screen game? goaline? RPOs? Keep a D off balance?

Since 2013 announcers have talked about how difficult it's been for WSU to prepare for teams like Stanford and Oregon St because we don't even have a TE on the roster. Every year it's the same story. We haven't lost to either school since 2015 (when we missed a FG as time expired against Stanford).

Everyone has a LB who is good enough in coverage to handle a TE now. It's not 1990. You just encourage opponents to keep another defender in the box. It will help in the redzone and in short yardage situations but those haven't been problematic anyway.

 

[Coug90]

With all the chatter last week on here around Morris “changing” his offense that got him promoted to a Power5 OC due to the add of a TE. *Hogwash*. He used a TE at Incarnate Word this year.

Three Guys teamed for:

22 receptions
199 yards
3 Touchdowns
Long of 24 yards

Don’t bite on the shiny new coach speak language.

They made up for lack of tight end production with a 6’5” 230 lb middle backer who had 140 tackles, 32 TFL and 9 interceptions.

 

[Glad Cougar]

You just encourage opponents to keep another defender in the box.

Is that a bad thing vs. the Air Raid?

Glad Cougar

 

[etowncoug]

Is that a bad thing vs. the Air Raid?

Glad Cougar

Considering how the offensive decision making got considerably more conservative once Dickert took the helm, I'm not expecting our offense to resemble Leach's Air Raid. I'm expecting the "CougRaid" to look a lot like a multiples offense with a roughly 50:50 ground:air ratio with some Air Raid concepts on passing plays.

 

[CougEd]

in this brave New World of the transfer portal, I do not think that having balanced classes or certain numbers of positions recruited from the high school ranks every year will matter. I bet a few years down the road you will see schools like WSU will have three oline starters that they developed and two transfer players starting.

I don’t disagree and very good point . It is critical to wsu you get rid of the right guys, you keep the right guys from leaving to Ohio state or boise state (😜) and getting the right guys from Nevada and other schools. You have signing day (the draft), you have teams trying to take care of their own free agents(kids from leaving via portal ) and the transfer portal coming in(free agency).

So college football now has all the elements of the pros. They just have to make sure they are staffed appropriately and also hiring the right people.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

O line is probably the hardest unit in which to use transfers. A soph transfer that will play as a junior? Maybe. But you have to have pretty poor O line depth to consider playing a transfer in his first year. That is a unit that has to know each other and their system well enough to virtually think like every other player on the line. If you can't do that, you can't respond to D shifts & changes.

 

[mikalalas]

Is that a bad thing vs. the Air Raid?

Glad Cougar

So 4,5,6 in box, instead of 3,4,5 in Box. All because of a TE.

Air Raid without TE, leads to Rush 2,3,4 drop 7,8,9, 3,4,5 in Box.

TE in Air Raid leads to Rush 3,4,5, Drop 6,7,8, 4,5,6 in Box.

Easier to Pass, now, and with the TE, it's still easy to Run the ball vs 4,5,6 in Box, and almost as easy as 3,4,5 in Box.

Small, almost no price to pay with 1 TE.

Also a 1 TE, 1 QB, 1 RB, 5 OL, 3 WR Air Raid, spread out from sideline to sideline, is probably not going to add 1 more to Box, and if it does, then can still semi easily run ball, vs 4,5,6 in Box, and can still pass effectively with 3 WR, and 1 TE vs 5.5,6,7,7.5 as a range dropped back into pass coverage.

 

[kugrz98]

Hasn't WSU had pretty productive OT's and DE's that were originally signed as TE's? I thought during the Price and Doba year's that some of the speed DE's were originally TE's.

Also, for some griping about a TE scholly for 20 receptions over 4 years, I'm pretty sure there were more than a handful of WR's that signed during the Leach years that fit this bill also, so seems like a wash....

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Yes, Price seemed to always take at least one TE who became an OL. That may be a bit of an exaggeration, but not by much.

 

[etowncoug]

Yes, Price seemed to always take at least one TE who became an OL. That may be a bit of an exaggeration, but not by much.

Josh Parrish was an example of this working out well. Josh Shavies not so much.

I'm not a huge fan of turning TE's into other positions. It's better they get enrolled and start changing their bodies into what it should be right away. Have a 240 lb kid like Dillard pack on 40 lbs of good lineman weight their redshirt season rather than having him flounder as a TE trying to keep his speed up.

 

[SDCoug]

Yes, Price seemed to always take at least one TE who became an OL. That may be a bit of an exaggeration, but not by much.

Price’s name coming up today regarding TEs is an interesting coincidence. I just heard from a buddy yesterday who’s son was at the introductory press conference. Apparently he heard Price say, “When are we going to get a god damn tight end?”

 

[kougkurt]

Price’s name coming up today regarding TEs is an interesting coincidence. I just heard from a buddy yesterday who’s son was at the introductory press conference. Apparently he heard Price say, “When are we going to get a god damn tight end?”

I think it was Walden that asked that. But yeah, wish came true.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

There are pro's and con's to having a TE in the offense, and much of the same logic extends to H backs and, to a lesser extent, fullbacks. I'm not going to get into a long post; might not be a bad topic for a separate thread?

Long story short, it is more a philosophical discussion than anything else. For schools that can snap their fingers and have all the highly rated players they need at every position, sure, a TE/H back/FB makes lots of sense. But when you have to develop much of your talent, sometimes it makes more sense to focus on fewer positions in order to free up the scholies for more developmental kids, as Leach & Rolo both chose to do. Price, Ericson & Walden's approach, which as I understood it at the time (it certainly was a constant topic of discussion) was to take a bunch of big frame, nominally TE types and see where they grew, was a compromise approach to try to meet both needs.

It is clear that Dickert likes the wide open passing attack, but does not want to give up the pro's that go with the TE/H back/and maybe FB approach. Since WSU will always have to develop a lot of 3 star talent, that means recruiting several kids with the frame to play many places, depending upon how they physically develop, and in HS they were probably a TE if they were in a major HS program. So the idea that we might have 2 or even 3 kids in a recruiting class who are listed by the recruiting gurus as TE's would not be a surprise. However, more than half will end up as interior linemen, unless things have changed significantly since the '90's. Another example of, "the more things change, the more they remain the same".