Interesting

[roses04]

I received my double dose, so I am vaccinated, if someone doesn't wish to be vaccinated that is their choice, and I respect that choice. What I don't buy is the line, my body my choice, works with pregnant women since pregnancy is not contagious, however Covid is contagious as we all know, and by not getting vaccinated you do pose a potential risk to others. People in leadership roles that have to set an example, and sometimes you have to do things you don't wish to do simply to set a example, it comes with being a leader. If there is some medical reason for him not taking a shot, I can get that, as some do have terrible allergic reactions. However as I discussed with my Doctor his answer to me was this: you have never had any negative side effects from any shots or vaccine that you have received in the past, so the shot will not harm you, however a bad case of Covid could kill you, so you make your decision, it's up to you.

Vaccine is no guarantee, had a friend that was vaccinated, and got the new covid strain last week, he was out for a few days, doing fine now, he did see others, fortunately not me. So now they got tested earlier this week and will get tested again, doesn't look like anyone else got it, they were all vaccinated, as was his wife who did not get it. This virus will be with us for years to come, we have the option of getting annual flu shots, now you can add covid shot to the list. So if you elect to not get vaccinated, there is a good chance you will get Covid someday, it's not going away people. The Vaccine is not 100% effective, but it does minimize the risks of serious cases. So its your choice, but you are playing Russian Roulette.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Hopefully. I do think there is the possibility it helps in certain cases.

The vaccine info shows more and more that it doesn't slow the spread of Covid as it reduces the severity of the symptoms. I don't think the evidence exists to pass strict scrutiny that not getting vaccinated is harmful to others. Maybe harmful to you, but not others who have the option of taking the vaccine or not.

Got a source for this claim about vaccines not slowing the spread? After all, just in the uSA we did go from nearly 200,000 cases per day and over 4k dead to just under 15,000 and less than 300 dead. The latest surges are occurring in areas that are the least vaccinated and hospitalizations and deaths are occurring amongst those who are almost exclusively UNvaccinated. Taihtsat

 

[wazzucougs96]

Imagine what a pandemic with 2% mortality will do. We will actually kill each other out of fear of having a small chance of dying. Rolo may have heart issues, or inflammatory disease, or other immune issues.

If he has these issues and still chooses not to protect himself from covid then he is even dumber than we realize.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

No one dies from vaccines you liar.

You are not informed liar.

 

[wazzucougs96]

The vaccines are being administered under an emergency use authorization. Not even the military can make people take it.

another lie from our resident traitor.

 

[wazzucougs96]

You are not informed liar.

you are truly a giant piece of shit. go back to the qanon boards where you and the other incels can piss and moan about how unfair it is that you never get laid.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Do you know how many of the 600K died with the virus as opposed to from the virus? The number is high. One detailed study of a California County showed it to be almost 25 percent. Anyway, we know that the virus is likely to kill only certain demographic groups. We know who those are. It ain't college kids and it ain't healthy people under age 70.

Why would you laugh at people who don't get the shot? Do you know how many people have died from the shot? I heard yesterday the number was currently about 12,000. That is not an insignificant number of people especially if this included those who were not in high risk groups.

yeah, screw those people. but all lives matter, right? you are a sick ****

 

[CougEd]

I've never heard you comment in the same way about the flu. Should a flu shot be dictated by the state for all coaches to take?

Getting Covid is not a death sentence...in case you didn't know Ed.

Tell that to 600k. And what you fail to acknowledge is what it can mutate into . Please continue to call it the flu. Don’t recall the hospitals being packed by the flu. Again it isn’t about the deaths, it is about the amount of people who went to the hospital.

Ans what I don’t recall is games being canceled because of the flu, people not going to restaurants etc because they have no desire to get sick . Same thing with my health club. I don’t remember the flu where people chose to quit their membership and work out at their home. But maybe I missed something .

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

you are truly a giant piece of shit. go back to the qanon boards where you and the other incels can piss and moan about how unfair it is that you never get laid.

Hahaha! Projecting much?

So here we have a prime example of a Branch Covidian cultists.

Do you still sleep with your pacifier at night?

I'm much more concerned with the Blue-anon cult...as we all should be.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Imagine what a pandemic with 2% mortality will do. We will actually kill each other out of fear of having a small chance of dying. Rolo may have heart issues, or inflammatory disease, or other immune issues. Maybe he has a religious reason. I’ll assume he has a reason. I dunno why anyone would think they know why he chose not to get one. I got one, I’d get another. But stop being so pious.

It would be most helpful to the speculative crowd if he stated his reasons, particularly if they were health-complication related (immune compromised, etc) or even religious in nature. To not state what the objection is leaves him open to being thought of as someone who is getting their medical advice from Facebook or Youtube. Taihtsat.

 

[dgibbons]

not for long

Pfizer just said it was expecting an answer in January. Even assuming there is no delay, that's after bowl season. Moderna and J&J have not sought final approval as I recall.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

yeah, screw those people. but all lives matter, right? you are a sick ****

Newsflash genius: We will never rid the world of bad things like viruses. Never. You don't give a damn about those who died. You are too gripped by irrational fear to care about anyone but yourself.

Tell us about how much you care about the tens of millions whose lives have been devastated by lockdowns and school closures? Oh wait, those people don't matter, right?

 

[dgibbons]

Absolutely.. I would concur. Just shortens the leash in my estimation

WSU's financial situation doesn't allow for any leash shortening.

 

[dgibbons]

And when he gets it and passes it on to a player? I understand where you are coming from.

This is for the lawyers to have a conversation with the university about exposure. That conversation will probably include “this is the amount you write a check for to him to leave. This is the amount you write a check for to a players parents if a kid gets sick and becomes a long hauler or dies. Choose.”

Im well aware of the percentages. Im well aware of my body, my choice.

This is best case versus worst case. How much will it cost the school? How much bad press can you handle?

Terminate him today and move on.

The vaccines are being administered under an emergency use authorization. The vaccines cannot be mandated because of the emergency use authorization.

Fund the buyout if you want Rolovich gone.

 

[dgibbons]

I've never heard you comment in the same way about the flu. Should a flu shot be dictated by the state for all coaches to take?

Getting Covid is not a death sentence...in case you didn't know Ed.

Lower speed limits to 10 mph while you're at it.

 

[dgibbons]

No one dies from vaccines you liar.

Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Read more about past vaccine safety concerns, how they have been resolved, and what we have learned.

www.cdc.gov

 

[CougEd]

The vaccines are being administered under an emergency use authorization. The vaccines cannot be mandated because of the emergency use authorization.

Fund the buyout if you want Rolovich gone.

Or pay him to sit out, promote someone like banker or another coach and hire an assistant at 400k.

Essentially put him on administrative leave . Either that or start fundraising for the buyout.

 

[dgibbons]

another lie from our resident traitor.

Do tell then. Why hasn't a mandate been issued?

 

[Brent H.]

another lie from our resident traitor.

Where's the lie? Vaccines are not mandated. They are expected. You're really rage typing for "Papers, please."?

 

[Brent H.]

Or pay him to sit out, promote someone like banker or another coach and hire an assistant at 400k.

Essentially put him on administrative leave . Either that or start fundraising for the buyout.

Why should he sit out? You need to have probable cause to place him on Administrative Leave. I haven't seen his contract, but how in anyway is he violating his contract by not getting vaccinated? I bet he doesn't get the flu shot, how is this any different? You are in your on universe if Chun is going to go around asking for $12M for a buyout for a coach who has broken in terms of his contract. This isn't going to impact the program in recruiting at all.

I don't agree with Rolovich on his vaccine stance and would have liked to know his reasoning, saying it's a personal matter is hiding. But he is no way obligated to get vaccinated. Neither are any of the players. I mean, LeBron said it's a person matter himself. There NFL teams at are like 50% vaccination rate.

He can get a doctors note for a anti-vax doctor and be done with it.

 

[Brent H.]

If he has these issues and still chooses not to protect himself from covid then he is even dumber than we realize.

My neighbor is allergic to vaccines and can't get it. Can't get any vaccines. Now, is this Rolovich reasoning? Highly unlikely, but they are legit reasons why a certain individuals don't get vaccinated, but it's a more of a health risk to them than getting actual covid, but I doubt Rachael Maddow and Joy Reid cover that.

 

[CougEd]

Why should he sit out? You need to have probable cause to place him on Administrative Leave. I haven't seen his contract, but how in anyway is he violating his contract by not getting vaccinated? I bet he doesn't get the flu shot, how is this any different? You are in your on universe if Chun is going to go around asking for $12M for a buyout for a coach who has broken in terms of his contract. This isn't going to impact the program in recruiting at all.

I don't agree with Rolovich on his vaccine stance and would have liked to know his reasoning, saying it's a personal matter is hiding. But he is no way obligated to get vaccinated. Neither are any of the players. I mean, LeBron said it's a person matter himself. There NFL teams at are like 50% vaccination rate.

He can get a doctors note for a anti-vax doctor and be done with it.

Ummm he can’t do his duties . He can’t go into a recruits house without being masked . He can’t properly sell the university . He could put games in peril if his kids bring home covid, he gets it and passes it to the players .

Why compare to the flu shot . Games have never been canceled because of the flu shot .

 

[Brent H.]

Ummm he can’t do his duties . He can’t go into a recruits house without being masked . He can’t properly sell the university . He could put games in peril if his kids bring home covid, he gets it and passes it to the players .

Why compare to the flu shot . Games have never been canceled because of the flu shot .

Lol, this is a bunch of gibberish. None of what you said comes close to being grounds for administrative leave. They have procedures and protocols set by the university and the Pac-12 they have to follow if they aren't vaccinated. Just like the NFL. If he tests positive (who knows, he probably already had it), he will have to follow the procedures. If he violates those then he starts getting into warm water, but if he follows university guidance he is fine.

You're talking about putting a coach on administrative leave for not getting vaccinated, an optional choice.

I'll play your game because I haven't been on this site for awhile. If he gets Covid from his kids and passes it to a player. Who's at fault, Rolovich or the unvaccinated player?

 

[dgibbons]

Lol, this is a bunch of gibberish. None of what you said comes close to being grounds for administrative leave. They have procedures and protocols set by the university and the Pac-12 they have to follow if they aren't vaccinated. Just like the NFL. If he tests positive (who knows, he probably already had it), he will have to follow the procedures. If he violates those then he starts getting into warm water, but if he follows university guidance he is fine.

You're talking about putting a coach on administrative leave for not getting vaccinated, an optional choice.

I'll play your game because I haven't been on this site for awhile. If he gets Covid from his kids and passes it to a player. Who's at fault, Rolovich or the unvaccinated player?

The other kids that got Rolovich's kids sick. Of course.

Or maybe we track it all the way back to the pangolin that had a one night stand with a bat.

 

[kougkurt]

Has anyone heard any players or parents speak out against this? I saw Armani Marsh give coach a shout out. If the highest percentage of unvaccinated people are in SEC territory Maybe this gives coach a leg up to getting into those households

 

[BiggsCoug]

Lol, this is a bunch of gibberish. None of what you said comes close to being grounds for administrative leave. They have procedures and protocols set by the university and the Pac-12 they have to follow if they aren't vaccinated. Just like the NFL. If he tests positive (who knows, he probably already had it), he will have to follow the procedures. If he violates those then he starts getting into warm water, but if he follows university guidance he is fine.

You're talking about putting a coach on administrative leave for not getting vaccinated, an optional choice.

I'll play your game because I haven't been on this site for awhile. If he gets Covid from his kids and passes it to a player. Who's at fault, Rolovich or the unvaccinated player?

I doubt it would get to who’s at fault. The last thing WSU wants is a lawsuit from a player over the HFC giving him covid. The optics are terrible. WSU writes a check to the player. Heaven forbid he dies from the covid he got from Rolo.

Risk versus reward. The best case scenario is nothing happens. The worst case scenario, while could be small percentage, is death.

If WSU doesn’t have the money for a buyout, do they have the money for a payout to players families?

Rolo put WSU in a bind. Why would any employer allow this?

Fire him. Move on. Enough Mickey Mouse bullshit.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Do you know how many of the 600K died with the virus as opposed to from the virus? The number is high. One detailed study of a California County showed it to be almost 25 percent. Anyway, we know that the virus is likely to kill only certain demographic groups. We know who those are. It ain't college kids and it ain't healthy people under age 70.

Why would you laugh at people who don't get the shot? Do you know how many people have died from the shot? I heard yesterday the number was currently about 12,000. That is not an insignificant number of people especially if this included those who were not in high risk groups.

I question the validity of your 12,000 dead number and I'd challenge you to provide a source that isn't OAN or some right wing rag with an agenda. I don't doubt that hundreds of people have died after getting the shot, and every one of those deaths is a tragedy for them and their families, but if 75% of our population got vaccinated, it will save hundreds of thousands of lives.

COVID Vaccine Article

If you read the above article, there were a total of around 6,000 people who have died in the past six months who had the vaccination.......but that was from all causes. The article cites at least one case where someone with a history of heart attacks had a heart attack and was included in the list. There were numerous other cases where the cause of death was inconclusive. The article cites the claim that the vaccine has killed 6,000 people as false. A study in England found that there were 127,000 deaths from COVID and 1,300 deaths after receipt of the vaccine. When you consider that 42 million people in Britain had gotten the vaccine, the death rate of 0.0003% is just a smidge better than the death rate of 1%-2% that was being seen when the pandemic was at its peak.

I would prefer that the leaders at Washington State University lead by good example. What makes the whole vaccine hesitancy hilarious is that last fall, Donald Trump was angry that the CDC was slow-walking the vaccine to keep him from winning the election. Once he didn't have a political benefit from the vaccine, he's happy to use it as a tool to attack the left. It would be great if people quit letting politics guide their decisions and stick with science and rational thought.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Why would any employer allow this?

Fire him. Move on. Enough Mickey Mouse bullshit.

Maybe RoLo feels like he's making a principled stand for all those across this nation who aren't 100 percent sure taking this vaccine is the right decision?

Every movement starts with someone holding his or her ground no matter how unpopular or controversial.

Not trying to disagree with you Biggsy as much as trying to look at things from another person's perspective

 

[dgibbons]

I question the validity of your 12,000 dead number and I'd challenge you to provide a source that isn't OAN or some right wing rag with an agenda. I don't doubt that hundreds of people have died after getting the shot, and every one of those deaths is a tragedy for them and their families, but if 75% of our population got vaccinated, it will save hundreds of thousands of lives.

COVID Vaccine Article

If you read the above article, there were a total of around 6,000 people who have died in the past six months who had the vaccination.......but that was from all causes. The article cites at least one case where someone with a history of heart attacks had a heart attack and was included in the list. There were numerous other cases where the cause of death was inconclusive. The article cites the claim that the vaccine has killed 6,000 people as false. A study in England found that there were 127,000 deaths from COVID and 1,300 deaths after receipt of the vaccine. When you consider that 42 million people in Britain had gotten the vaccine, the death rate of 0.0003% is just a smidge better than the death rate of 1%-2% that was being seen when the pandemic was at its peak.

I would prefer that the leaders at Washington State University lead by good example. What makes the whole vaccine hesitancy hilarious is that last fall, Donald Trump was angry that the CDC was slow-walking the vaccine to keep him from winning the election. Once he didn't have a political benefit from the vaccine, he's happy to use it as a tool to attack the left. It would be great if people quit letting politics guide their decisions and stick with science and rational thought.

The number was 12,000, then got revised down to 6,000.

 

[Brent H.]

Has anyone heard any players or parents speak out against this? I saw Armani Marsh give coach a shout out. If the highest percentage of unvaccinated people are in SEC territory Maybe this gives coach a leg up to getting into those households

I would prefer that the leaders at Washington State University lead by good example. What makes the whole vaccine hesitancy hilarious is that last fall, Donald Trump was angry that the CDC was slow-walking the vaccine to keep him from winning the election. Once he didn't have a political benefit from the vaccine, he's happy to use it as a tool to attack the left. It would be great if people quit letting politics guide their decisions and stick with science and rational thought.

LOL, that's never going to happen. It has been so politicized that train has left the station and is never coming back. You had MSNBC pearl clutching about wearing masks, even if you're vaccinated and you have Fox News telling people masks are oppressive. The media has ruined ANY rational thought because the money won't allow it.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Ahh got it. One would think his personal attendance would be a condition of his employment. I guess my question or wonder would be whether their are any other pac12 coaches who did not attend. I would think if it is anything more than his own political views he should have stated such. No matter how you slice it, it becomes negative press without an explanation. Why have the requirement at all if the head coach can opt out for non-medical reasons.(not sure if that’s why just a guess).. I recognize it is a personal choice and again my opinion is not based on the legitimacy of the vaccine itself rather the stupidity of publicly encouraging and forcing players to get the vaccine and then allowing this non-sense with no explanation…

I believe he’s participating virtually, which probably fulfills whatever wording is in his contract.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Maybe RoLo feels like he's making a principled stand for all those across this nation who aren't 100 percent sure taking this vaccine is the right decision?

Every movement starts with someone holding his or her ground no matter how unpopular or controversial.

Not trying to disagree with you Biggsy as much as trying to look at things from another person's perspective

Is that what he was hired to do? He works for WSU. It isnt the other way around. Is his protest the branding WSU would be looking for? If the program is branded as unvaxed and middle finger to the university the brand WSU wants?

His agenda has to be WSU’s agenda. Not the other way around.

Remove him and move on. Enough bullshit.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Ummm he can’t do his duties . He can’t go into a recruits house without being masked . He can’t properly sell the university . He could put games in peril if his kids bring home covid, he gets it and passes it to the players .

Why compare to the flu shot . Games have never been canceled because of the flu shot .

I don’t know that having to wear a mask during a recruiting visit means he can’t do his job. Will he look like an ass in front of the kid and his parents? Maybe, but we lived with Wulff doing that for 4 years and couldn’t terminate him for cause because of it.

 

[CougEd]

I doubt it would get to who’s at fault. The last thing WSU wants is a lawsuit from a player over the HFC giving him covid. The optics are terrible. WSU writes a check to the player. Heaven forbid he dies from the covid he got from Rolo.

Risk versus reward. The best case scenario is nothing happens. The worst case scenario, while could be small percentage, is death.

If WSU doesn’t have the money for a buyout, do they have the money for a payout to players families?

Rolo put WSU in a bind. Why would any employer allow this?

Fire him. Move on. Enough Mickey Mouse bullshit.

Bingo

 

[CougEd]

I don’t know that having to wear a mask during a recruiting visit means he can’t do his job. Will he look like an ass in front of the kid and his parents? Maybe, but we lived with Wulff doing that for 4 years and couldn’t terminate him for cause because of it.

If he isn’t allowed into someone’s house because they are worried he will get them sick, then he can’t do his job .

I personally don’t care if rolo gets vaccinated or not . If he doesn’t care about his health and health if his players and being able to be able to play, I am like. I probably don’t care either . Except I care about the University . If wulff was coach I would have the same ask .

 

[Fab5Coug]

If he isn’t allowed into someone’s house because they are worried he will get them sick, then he can’t do his job .

I personally don’t care if rolo gets vaccinated or not . If he doesn’t care about his health and health if his players and being able to be able to play, I am like. I probably don’t care either . Except I care about the University . If wulff was coach I would have the same ask .

Again though, that just means he’s crappy at recruiting, not that he’s physically incapable of doing it. A recruit can say “no” to an in home for any reason they want. Doesn’t mean you can terminate the coach for it. If his recruiting suffers because of it, then he’ll eventually be fired for crappy results, but WSU will still have to pay his buyout.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

No one dies from vaccines you liar.

Yes, they do. The COVID19 Vaccine has more deaths than any other vaccine combined. Look it up troll.

Ummm he can’t do his duties . He can’t go into a recruits house without being masked . He can’t properly sell the university . He could put games in peril if his kids bring home covid, he gets it and passes it to the players .

Why compare to the flu shot . Games have never been canceled because of the flu shot .

What if he gets the vaccine, still gets covid, and passed it to a kid? You act like the vaccine is 100% bullet proof, it's not and it's not even close to being so. The media has you brain washed and scared to death, sad really.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Yes, they do. The COVID19 Vaccine has more deaths than any other vaccine combined. Look it up troll.


What if he gets the vaccine, still gets covid, and passed it to a kid? You act like the vaccine is 100% bullet proof, it's not and it's not even close to being so. The media has you brain washed and scared to death, sad really.

I'm going to agree with you that the vaccine does kill people and it isn't 100% effective. Anyone objective agrees on that. However, if the vaccine has killed 6,000 people this year, that means the mortality rate is around 0.004%. COVID had a mortality rate around 2% when hospitals were packed and care declined because of lack of resources. It's dipped under 1% with better care, but it's still thousands of times safer to get the vaccine than not.

I got the vaccine and barely noticed. I know dozens of people that got the vaccine and only a couple missed a day of work and I've only had one say it was bad.....but even that person felt better 24 hours later. Compare that to the three people that I know that are dead from COVID and the several that I know that are still experiencing side effects months later.

You say that people promoting the vaccine are brainwashed and scared to death and I'd say that people that fear the vaccines are the ones that are really brainwashed and living in fear.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

I'm going to agree with you that the vaccine does kill people and it isn't 100% effective. Anyone objective agrees on that. However, if the vaccine has killed 6,000 people this year, that means the mortality rate is around 0.004%. COVID had a mortality rate around 2% when hospitals were packed and care declined because of lack of resources. It's dipped under 1% with better care, but it's still thousands of times safer to get the vaccine than not.

I got the vaccine and barely noticed. I know dozens of people that got the vaccine and only a couple missed a day of work and I've only had one say it was bad.....but even that person felt better 24 hours later. Compare that to the three people that I know that are dead from COVID and the several that I know that are still experiencing side effects months later.

You say that people promoting the vaccine are brainwashed and scared to death and I'd say that people that fear the vaccines are the ones that are really brainwashed and living in fear.

The CDC said 10% of Covid 19 deaths are deaths caused 100% from COVID19 with no co morbidities(So, ~7k?). Not something I need to worry about. I get plenty of exercise, vitamins, and let my immune system do it's job.

It's awesome not living in fear.

 

[702coug]

The real question is when will Mike weigh in with the ALL CAPS Tolstoy-length response?