Maybe you haven't heard, but there are more jobs than available labor right now, and that includes Healthcare. These people could go anywhere and get a comparable job in an instant.
Jay Inslee vaccination mandate
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I can attest to that, I contracted covid about a month ago, I'm fully vaccinated. My symptoms were very mild, I thought it was just a cold, until I realized I couldn't smell anything and got tested. I also had a little rattling cough, no fever. Without being vaccinated I fear i would have been very ill due to the fact that I have underlying conditions that may make my immune system not be quite up to snuff. Throwing in the fact that I am 61 years old shows me that the shot worked as expected. nobody else in the house got covid, they are vaxxed but healthier than I am apparently
Oh I’ve heard. Talent Tsunami, great resignation, etc. Your statement is correct, certain industries are certainly in this spot. If people want to look for a job they will. You’re justified to say you think I’m wrong, I could be…I just don’t think a high percentage of people will voluntarily get pink slipped for this. We will find out in some cases it looks like.
I didn't say it, the nurse who knows these people did. Anecdotal yes, but her statement is consistent with what we've seen. I guess we'll know for sure on the first.
Bleed maybe short term...but the big boys are making everyone get vaccinated. They will take on the lawsuits and see how they prevail. Just from a cursory glance without any evidence to back it up because we haven't seen these cases go through the system, but not sure how the trump appointed judges will impact any decisions that come down the pike. Because big corp wont pay for years and years I fear if they lose.
I have a friend who employs about 1500 people in the state of Washington. He flat out said he will mandate employees to get the jab once he sees how the big boys do in court.
The polls I've seen have shown upwards of 70% of unvaccinnated people are willing to walk from their jobs. That's across all industries.
The stats I've seen on healthcare workers (from memory, not exact) are that about 50% of unvaccinated healthcare workers will walk. Couple that with the downsizing that took place last year and you're going to have an overall healthcare staffing issue - not just COVID-related.
Somebody previously mentioned the effects of a central health agency making blanket mandates without regard for anything else other than attempting to control Mother Nature. This is classic Law of Unintended Consequences stuff here - and now we're doubling down on the same lockdowns/centralized mandates as a year ago?!? Definition of insanity.
meanwhile, Inslee hides in his secret bunker with Brown and Newsome avoiding the press and questions like "how will you reach out to the migrant workers who are largely unvaccinated" or "how do you plan to address the labor shortage in the healthcare industry that your mandate will create?".
Must be nice to reign on high knowing your Seattle sycophants will continue to support and re-elect you.
You know what is weird...you and others have not given one idea how to mitigate the problem. None. You have told us what isn't perfect, or maybe not even close to perfect, but your answer is if you are vaccinated great, if not, your choice. Don't mask, don't lock things down, just let the virus run its course.
And I will tell you the industries that are affected the most, like restaurants etc will be 70% of their normal sales because there are a good portion of the people who won't go indoors while delta is around. I know, I know...pussies.
We will see if Rolo is one of the 70% and if he is willing to walk away from his job.
There’s not a lot of jobs that pay 3.5 mill a year. And there’s a lot of guys who want those jobs. I’m not saying there’s a way legally WSU can or will be able to get out of his contracts…I’m no labor attorney, but Rolo isn’t in some great position of leverage right now considering his track record so far.
As for the argument about healthcare or other everyday jobs we shall see. It’s a helluva lot easier to say you’d walk than to actually do it. I don’t buy that the reality would be anywhere close to 50/70%. But even 10-20% would not be pleasant either in essential worker fields that already have labor shortages.
Oh I thought the mandate was get jabbed or be fired . Expect for medical and religious reasons . And those will be scrutinized .
Not true - lots of different approaches have been presented. Even more are being released via the whole Joe Rogan experience. And the guy is getting absolutely slaughtered because he Covid-free now....damn him for not dying, right?
But but masks, vaccine and lockdowns is the only way. If you don't buy that narrative, then you're a blasphemer. Whereas that level of questioning of authority used to be standard journalism and, testing data and results used to pass for science.
If people choose not to frequent businesses or go inside, that's their prerogative. Why would you label them 'pussies' for exercising their liberties and determining their own health care decisions? Is the cancer patient who seeks a second opinion a 'pussy' or are they gathering as much information as they can to fit their own circumstances?
Is your nose growing Pinocchio? The fact checkers would give you a pants on fire rating. Not even Fauci is trying to weasel out on "direct" funding. This is the lie he told ""has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."
Here's more fun stuff (and there's going to be steady stream of it, the reporters are seeing if Fauci or NIH puts out a press release they can attack)-
Ebright said these sections of the documents show that NIH grants supported the construction of mutant SARS-related coronaviruses that involved blending different types together. The result was a lab-generated virus that could infect human cells, he said, adding that at least three of the lab-generated viruses "exhibited >10x to >100x higher viral loads in humanized mice."
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Newsweek contacted the NIH for comment from Fauci and received this statement: "NIH has never approved any research that would make a coronavirus more dangerous to humans.
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The NIH did not immediately respond to a request to confirm it denies funding GOF research in light of the newly released documents
Fauci 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, Documents Suggest
Newly released grant proposals indicate the National Institutes of Health funded controversial gain of function research—appearing to contradict what Dr. Anthony Fauci told Congress earlier this year.
www.newsweek.com
I think you're overestimating the investment many people have in their job, especially with the labor shortage and lots of jobs with equivalent pay out there. CNAs don't make all that much. Same for the people sitting at the desks, working on billing, etc. And of course, they can cross state lines too.
Or you got exposed to a higher viral load or a myriad of other factors.
Glad you and the fam are fine.
It's called increasing supply. Put up the field hospitals, bring in the hospital ship, deploy the national guard.
That doesn't appear to be a lie by Fauci because the Intercept printrd this:Is your nose growing Pinocchio? The fact checkers would give you a pants on fire rating. Not even Fauci is trying to weasel out on "direct" funding. This is the lie he told ""has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."
Here's more fun stuff (and there's going to be steady stream of it, the reporters are seeing if Fauci or NIH puts out a press release they can attack)-
Ebright said these sections of the documents show that NIH grants supported the construction of mutant SARS-related coronaviruses that involved blending different types together. The result was a lab-generated virus that could infect human cells, he said, adding that at least three of the lab-generated viruses "exhibited >10x to >100x higher viral loads in humanized mice."
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Newsweek contacted the NIH for comment from Fauci and received this statement: "NIH has never approved any research that would make a coronavirus more dangerous to humans.
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The NIH did not immediately respond to a request to confirm it denies funding GOF research in light of the newly released documents
Fauci 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, Documents Suggest
Newly released grant proposals indicate the National Institutes of Health funded controversial gain of function research—appearing to contradict what Dr. Anthony Fauci told Congress earlier this year.
"The documents contain several critical details about the research in Wuhan, including the fact that key experimental work with humanized mice was conducted at a biosafety level 3 lab at Wuhan University Center for Animal Experiment — and not at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as was previously assumed"
Fauci was asked specifically about the WIV and apparently answered truthfully according to this very link YOU provided.
Again, I'm open to more damaging OR exculpatory facts emerging. Are you also open to either? Taihtsat
I also am perplexed by these folk. They dont want lockdowns (no one really does, but they physically protest them.) They don't want mask-mandates (no one really does, but they physically protest them). They don't want vaccine mandates and a good chunk of them don't even want the vaccine. What is left except to say "let 'er rip thru".
Prolly wouldn't have won WWII with this kind of anti civic-minded mentality. Taihtsat
I don’t label them pussies . Someone on the board has tho. But we digress . Let me understand the whole Rogan argument . You trust ivermectin that has not been in a clinical study not have millions of trials at this point. Ivermectin is safe. Understood . What happened to Lysol, flashlight up the backside and hydroxi….did all this stuff work for polio and other diseases. It seems the medical field has stopped much of what has plagued us through vaccines. But this is different .
Again , your solution is to take alternative drugs once you get it . You have not addressed how to mitigate it , how you keep the virus from mutating where it affects more and more young people. You haven’t addressed the future potential risk to peope .
A) its not his job, or yours or mine, to come up with a plan for mitigation. The plans we've been presented by our "leaders" have been all over the board in both approach and efficacy.
B) the risk is unknown right now, and outside of a 100% lockdown of everything and everyone, there is no real way for the gub'ment to mitigate the risk. Risk has to be mitigated by individuals, by masking, vaxxing, hand washing, limiting exposure, etc.
C) Before you argue otherwise, the risk IS unknown - there isn't enough empirical data to know what the efficacy of the vaccine is vs transmission.
Alternative approaches have been discussed here, ad nauseum. Those in at risk categories, are recommended to get the shot. Those that are vulnerable, protect themselves with whatever paraphernalia they deem appropriate, when in public places. Expedite approval for and information on therapeutics to the healthcare world, ending the "go home until you can't breath", strategy. When caught early, treatment is often successful.
The virus doesn't stop the spread, look at UK and Israel, differentiating between those that are unvaccinated and vaccinated makes no difference, since both groups spread it...and now it appears, equally so.
And oh yeah, the talk of variants...many theories out there that these vaccines are contributing to the creation and speed of mutations. But yeah, I know, it is just whack job Q folks talking about that.
The virus doesn't stop the spread, look at UK and Israel, differentiating between those that are unvaccinated and vaccinated makes no difference, since both groups spread it...and now it appears, equally so.
And oh yeah, the talk of variants...many theories out there that these vaccines are contributing to the creation and speed of mutations. But yeah, I know, it is just whack job Q folks talking about that.
Oh, it is just our job to complain and not even provide a hint of another solution? Your apparent answer is to let it run free and see what happens. Other disease has been rubbed out, not seeing a ton of polio around, or any other disease that the gub'ment decided that they mandate a vaccine for me and others to attend school.
Well, tell me what is known. Regular old flu, covid 19 first edition, do you disagree it is 5 to tens times more transmissible and it is affecting younger and younger people, or the data seem to indicate younger people in the hospital as before.
You've fallen for the fallacy that there is a "solution". Viruses don't just disappear - the seasonal flu and its variants are seasonal like clockwork, and people die every year just like clockwork. The amount of coordinated effort locally, nationally, and globally isn't feasible - there are still 3rd world countries waiting on vaccine.
Yes, it may be time to stop beating the shit out of the panic button and tell people to be responsible for their own safety here in America.
Tell me the logic of forcing a country into vaccination in light of what is happening in Israel? Two months ago they were the shining model of national effort and cooperation, now they are a study in "wtf just happened?"
Sweden, my friend. Sweden. Those damned Vikings just kept keeping on keeping on without the panic button.
Your nose is growing. "The bat coronavirus grant provided EcoHealth Alliance with a total of $3.1 million, including $599,000 that the Wuhan Institute of Virology used in part to identify and alter bat coronaviruses likely to infect humans." THE GRANT WAS TO WIV.
Your nifty quote "The documents contain several critical details about the research in Wuhan, including the fact that key experimental work with humanized mice was conducted at a biosafety level 3 lab at Wuhan University Center for Animal Experiment — and not at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as was previously assumed." simply goes to some research being done at a lower safety level lab, and supports a lab leak.
ALL of your first paragraph has already been discussed and stipulated from our previous tussle in other threads even right down to the various interpretations of the grant money directly or indirectly going to WIV via EcoHealth or the NIH. So no...the GRANT WAS TO ECOHELATH AND THEY SUBCONTRACTED WITH THE WIV APPARENTL, WHO FUNDED RESEARCH CARRIED OUT IN ANOTHER LAB!
Again, this article says the money didn't even go to the WIV, but to another lab. So, again, counselor, where is the direct evidence that when fauci said that the NIH has never and is not now funding GOF or providing grants to the WIV he was lying?
You didn't answer my question: are you open to exculpatory evidence that will counter your belief/hope that any of this actually happened?
More from the "Law of unintended consequences" file:
Biden will issue an executive order mandating all Federal employees are vaccinated. FURTHER, all government contractors will be held to the same standard, with OSHA playing the heavy to the tune of $14K per violation.
I can't wait to see how this plays out.
As an aside, I found this headline on reddit, where the majority of the commentary is something along the lines of "cool, a bunch of high paying jobs gonna open up". This, from the people who are sitting on their asses and can't be bothered to get a job now and have an 18 month work gap think they'll just roll into a G14 job because of... reasons.
Biden will issue an executive order mandating all Federal employees are vaccinated. FURTHER, all government contractors will be held to the same standard, with OSHA playing the heavy to the tune of $14K per violation.
I can't wait to see how this plays out.
As an aside, I found this headline on reddit, where the majority of the commentary is something along the lines of "cool, a bunch of high paying jobs gonna open up". This, from the people who are sitting on their asses and can't be bothered to get a job now and have an 18 month work gap think they'll just roll into a G14 job because of... reasons.
The staff shortages at hospitals aren't going to matter in a couple weeks, because you won't be able to get there anyway - at least not for emergency care. The EMS services (ambulance drivers and crews) have an even lower rate of vaccination, and they're likely to leave in droves ahead of the deadline. Even the volunteer departments are required to follow the mandate, and there's zero incentive for them to do so.
Rogan is not getting “slaughtered” because he’s COVID free - he’s getting taken to task because he’s an idiot.
One sure sign that our culture is in decline - people turning to clueless celebrities for guidance.
Well you have the wrong poster . “Solution” in Couged speak means mitigation. Hey we tried something for two months, didn’t work , let’s scrap it . If we had this attitude in WW II we would be speaking German or Japanese right now.
I do know what some answers aren’t. One, just let the chips fall where they may. Two , stick light inside your body, 3 suck on some Lysol , 4 take a horse pill even tho it helped Joe Rogan.
It is kind of like sex and pregnancy . Do I think college kids will just say no? Nope. But let’s not pretend there is not a way to mitigate pregnancy . Condoms aren’t 100%. So let’s not make that recommendation. Miss taking the pill… not 100% . Let’s just use the Catholic Rhythm method , that sounds like the best plan .
You talk about unintended consequences … here is one for you … the health care worker who quits her job leaving a shortage at the local hospital . Lots of people backed up at the ER. Her son , little Ed plays football and breaks his leg. She goes to the Er and is told probably about a n 8 hour wait . Little Ed needs surgery 8 days later but they can’t book the surgery cause they don’t have the staff .
Unintended consequences don’t only happen to pro mandate, and guess what , as someone who is in that camp I am fully on board with what happens and let the chips land where they land .
Show me where a grant went to the Wuhan University Center for Animal Experiment, or a subgrant or whatever hair you want to split.
And edit to add- do you think the obviously known subgrant or whatever was unknown to NIH or Fauci or anyone? EcoHealth Alliance whole purpose is to handout money after getting money handed to it by NIH.
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The city of Portland reminded their vax mandate today, as they would have lost more than 200 officers.
Carry on.
Because 'he's an idiot'. Interesting. Rogan takes care of himself physically with proper diet, exercises regularly, utilizes alternate treatements including ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies and is seemingly cured within days but 'he's an idiot'.
