Jeremy DowDell (2019) offered
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Far as I can tell, the kid never misses. Sign him up.PoP'oola correct that he can shoot with range but wouldn't have the best hair on the roster.
I agree in signing him. But if all he can do is shoot about 49% to 59% from 3 point line, then he should only play about 13 to 24 minutes per game, and not start, but come off bench.
So if he cant play defense, etc, now. Then his playing time needs to be limited.
The nice thing is he can probably be taught by Smith to play good defense, etc, so when, if that happens, if he doesnt already do that, then his playing time increase, and he would then probably start.
Now he might already play good defense, etc.
I dont know if he plays good defense, etc.
But a lot of shooters that shoot about 50% from 3 point line like Steve Kerr did in NBA, ONLY shoot, and usually only play 15 to 30 minutes, as a non starter.
So if he cant play defense, etc, now. Then his playing time needs to be limited.
The nice thing is he can probably be taught by Smith to play good defense, etc, so when, if that happens, if he doesnt already do that, then his playing time increase, and he would then probably start.
Now he might already play good defense, etc.
I dont know if he plays good defense, etc.
But a lot of shooters that shoot about 50% from 3 point line like Steve Kerr did in NBA, ONLY shoot, and usually only play 15 to 30 minutes, as a non starter.
He's not being offered if he can't play defense. He has to do a multiple things well to get offered. Defense is a key component. But I'll forward your input along to Smith.
He has really good handles/ball handling with both hands, can drive and finish left/right, + his good shooting with decent size, and that gives him versatility at both PG/SG, which increases his potential for playing time.
Smith wants versatile players, he looks like one.
whats interesting is that EK and the previous staff were on and offered some pretty good HS/Prep players as well as better juco players. Lets see who remembers? Caleb Grill from Maize HS; Blake Hinson from Sunrise Prep who they had on campus but lost out to Ole Miss, oh he only started all year and avg 9pts/5rbs for a SEC NCAA Tournament team; Austin Trice who they lost out to Kansas State, also had on campus; Ricky Torres who went to Wichita State; Jermaine Haley who went to West Virginia; Isaiah Maurice who went to Memphis; Cameron Mack who they had on campus went to St Johns but is now back on the market; Nigel Johns that they signed; Kuany Kuany that they had been recruiting up until they were fired. My point being everyone is giving kudos and seems excited about going after better players when that was already happening. Someone made the comment in a previous post that EK and staff were only going after what was left over or something to that extent. But I noticed a huge change in recruiting the last couple years. maybe most of you weren't paying attention cause most wanted EK out so bad! Understandably so, but lets not act like Kyle and staff are reinventing the wheel in recruiting. they want to find diamonds in the rough just as EK and staff tried to. CJ Ellerby, Marvin Cannon, Jaz Kunc where definitely diamonds in the rough. Problem is they were found to late into EKs tenure. Hopefully kyle and staff can find these diamonds sooner than later and hopefully his staff is right from the start???
I don't think anyone is saying that EK didn't try to get this caliber of player, he just did it too late. When you are on the hot seat it is hard to go after HS players. He needed a quick fix due to his initial staff not doing as good a job as the staff he ended with. If it was year 2 or 3 things would have been looking up but the hole was just too deep.
For those who loved EK...great but at least support the current staff unless they prove to be undeserving of that. This first class won't be what defines them, it will be the next 2 or 3.
Even though he hasn't signed anyone yet, I'm pretty sure Kyle Smith's first recruiting class will be better than Kent's first recruiting class at WSU.
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Slow fee, pretty earthbound, and probably not a D 1 player There are good reasons why other D1 schools did not offer this guy. When i said one and done is if he bombs out after one year. He is a trifle small to play the 2G position. He is most definitely a reach but will fill out the practice squad next year which needs bodies .
El C, Pistol Pete Marovich wasnt all that athletic either. In fact because of how small, frail, unathletic, he seemed, he bounced back and forth between JV, Varsity, before just barely making Varsity. And once he did make varsity, he didnt get much playing time.
But Pistol Pete could SHOOT, great ball handler, great passer, etc.
And because of that, it didnt matter how unathletic he was, or that he barely made, played varsity, because he Pistol Pete Maravich went on to become 1 of the best highschool, college, NBA players in all of basketball history.
I hate to say this EL C, but you are probably judging Jeremy Mc Dowel, because he supposedly a WHITE MEN CANT JUMP, UNATHLETIC player, that can SHOOT,(Probably between about 49% to 59% 3 point shooter), instead of being a athletic black player, that can jump.
I say that, because whenever WSU gets a white guy, instead of a black player, you EL C wrote them off, supposedly because they are white, not black.
If all Jeremy could do is shoot about 49% to 59% from 3 point range, and was unathletic, etc, he would be worth signing, playing 17 to 33 minutes per game.
Why?
Because there is a PREMIUM on 3 point shooting in the college game, and in the NBA.
That is why Steve Kerr another supposed Unathletic White Men Cant Jump White Guy, has a world championship ring.
He had 1 job, and 1 job only, and that was to shoot between 50 to 100% from 3 point range in CLUTCH situations.
Steve Kerr could have been 4 feet tall, and most unathletic player ever, as long as he kept on hitting, making 3 pointers in the NBA.
If you can consistently, Clutchily, always make 3 pointers, there will always be a place for you at the highest levels of basketball.
Now maybe your right that he hasnt had hardly any D1 offers. Maybe they only see a UNATHLETIC player, and dont see the 3 point shooter.
But that does not matter. If he is the best 3 point shooter on the planet. SIGN HIM UP, NO MATTER HOW UNATHLETIC HE MIGHT BE.
But Pistol Pete could SHOOT, great ball handler, great passer, etc.
And because of that, it didnt matter how unathletic he was, or that he barely made, played varsity, because he Pistol Pete Maravich went on to become 1 of the best highschool, college, NBA players in all of basketball history.
I hate to say this EL C, but you are probably judging Jeremy Mc Dowel, because he supposedly a WHITE MEN CANT JUMP, UNATHLETIC player, that can SHOOT,(Probably between about 49% to 59% 3 point shooter), instead of being a athletic black player, that can jump.
I say that, because whenever WSU gets a white guy, instead of a black player, you EL C wrote them off, supposedly because they are white, not black.
If all Jeremy could do is shoot about 49% to 59% from 3 point range, and was unathletic, etc, he would be worth signing, playing 17 to 33 minutes per game.
Why?
Because there is a PREMIUM on 3 point shooting in the college game, and in the NBA.
That is why Steve Kerr another supposed Unathletic White Men Cant Jump White Guy, has a world championship ring.
He had 1 job, and 1 job only, and that was to shoot between 50 to 100% from 3 point range in CLUTCH situations.
Steve Kerr could have been 4 feet tall, and most unathletic player ever, as long as he kept on hitting, making 3 pointers in the NBA.
If you can consistently, Clutchily, always make 3 pointers, there will always be a place for you at the highest levels of basketball.
Now maybe your right that he hasnt had hardly any D1 offers. Maybe they only see a UNATHLETIC player, and dont see the 3 point shooter.
But that does not matter. If he is the best 3 point shooter on the planet. SIGN HIM UP, NO MATTER HOW UNATHLETIC HE MIGHT BE.
Sounds like what you said about Hawkinson!!
Who was a white guy. Whether its Lodwick(White guy), Hawkinson(White guy), Jeremy(White Guy), El C just doesnt think white guys are good basketball players, because supposedly, white guys are unathletic, cant jump, etc, at least in El C's mind.
Yep, if El C had been a duke fan, he probably would have naysayed Bobby Hurley, Christian Laetner, said that they were unathletic, because supposedly white, even though he wouldnt say that.
Same if he was a Gonzaga fan, he would have been against Pangos, Blake Step, Morrison, Matt Santegello, etc, all white guys, thst he would have said was unathletic, because they supposedly white.
Oh and he probably thought that Rochestie, and Baynes sucked, unathletic, because white.
Of course El C wouldnt say it. But he would think it.
And its so obvious, because ALL the players EL C say sucks, unathletic, etc, white.
And ALL the players that El C says good players are black.
So its either a EXTREME COINCIDENCE, or EL C thinks white players suck, are unathletic, slow, etc.
Same if he was a Gonzaga fan, he would have been against Pangos, Blake Step, Morrison, Matt Santegello, etc, all white guys, thst he would have said was unathletic, because they supposedly white.
Oh and he probably thought that Rochestie, and Baynes sucked, unathletic, because white.
Of course El C wouldnt say it. But he would think it.
And its so obvious, because ALL the players EL C say sucks, unathletic, etc, white.
And ALL the players that El C says good players are black.
So its either a EXTREME COINCIDENCE, or EL C thinks white players suck, are unathletic, slow, etc.
Mikalas i can guarantee you that this guy "aint no Pete Maravich" He has no quicks, ball handling ability and little play making ability. The days when a good player goes unnoticed are long gone. All of the D 1 schools in Utah passed on this guy with good reason.Perhaps the athletic "white guys' at the better schools who are athletic ,can jump out of the gym etc are not on the radar.. These players will not give Smith a whiff as he is an basically a mediocre coach who has to beg for tickets to post season tournaments. Compare this guy to Caleb Grill HS recruit and one can easily see the difference. Maybe posters here are the ones thinking about white guy stuff?perhaps i will give it some thought?
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I would be a little leary as well cause not like the guys at weber state, Utah valley, BYU, southern Utah, and Utah would all be passing on this kid. to boot his team won 2 state championships so this kid wasn't flying under the radar. In my opinion he doesn't come close to caleb grill or ryan murphy. I bet we could find HS clips of Murphy looking very good as well compared to this kid. But hey if Kyle thinks this kid is a steal then that's why he was hired. Find players that can help this program. GO COUGS!!!
In his latest interview, Smith reiterated his approach to recruiting is a lot like the Bennetts– find the under-recruited players that fit the system. Of course, some people might think that means he'll only be able to recruit untalented/unathletic players nobody else wants. That all might be true, but you are going to see a lot of Smith recruits in the future that are like DowDell who have at least one very good skill set (shooting in DowDell's case) with the hope that they will develop and grow as players. I don't expect Smith to have the success of the Bennetts, but just remember that Weaver and Cowgill were not heavily recruited by bigger schools. And guys like Harmeling and Caleb Forrest were similarly ignored in their state of Colorado by the bigger schools in much the same manner as DowDell in Utah. Who knows? At least it appears Smith & staff are working hard to bring in some players that want to be at WSU.
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It is strange his offers are so limited considering his high school pedigree. I’ve watched tapes where I thought ok this guy is good and I’ve watched tapes where I was not as impressed. The fact is this first class will probably have a few misses. Smith’s versions of Cheatum, Dunbar, Redding ect... I’m hoping to start with a better class based on the fact Smith and company were actively recruiting at the time he was hired. Where Kent was basically starting from scratch coming from the broadcast booth his first year.
I also get the impression that Smith is the type of coach that will get more out of these players/recruits than most coaches. Definitely more out of recruits than in Kent's "lack of system", and lack of defense. In other words, it will be a bit of the system at work, and the atmosphere created, like the Bennett's, rather than purely the skill set of the players. We see that first hand with what Mike Leach does with his average recruiting classes that he puts together every year. Leach's system works, and the atmosphere him and his staff create works.
Like you said, "who knows" at this point, but I for one am feeling optimistic so far. What I'm not going to do is trash on Smith and those he brings in before they are given at least a few years to show their product.
Go Cougs!!! (El/69life)
Any first year coach is behind the eight ball the first year. I expect an increase in talent and recruiting inroads to show in years 2/3. The talent will be more under the radar and finding better fits than beating out GU. I think some people just like to throw rocks at the new staff but they live in EK's glass house. Hope that works out for them. ;-)
When I have trashed the program? I only point out that its glaring most people here were happy to see a change. But to see all the hype most here are giving to Kyle and staff is interesting. Pointing out facts from recruiting is not trashing the program. Was change needed? No doubt, the program had become stale so to speak. But to act like this new staff is reinventing the wheel on recruiting here at WSU is laughable. Bottom line is basketball has changed since the Bennetts were here. For a lot of you all to think you can recruit the same as Tony did is delusional. Kyle will find out you better have some talent. Its not about your Xs and Os, its about your Jimmies and your Joes. All the nerdball stuff sounds cute and appealing until you getting head beat in cause you dont have enough talent. He gets a pass this year and even next year. But the way people here disregard EK 2 elite 8 runs is funny cause everyone wants to always bring up what the Bennetts did over a decade ago here. EK didn't do himself any good with his first hires and therefore got behind and could never recover. Im not sure he even had a plan when he got here? Kyle seems to have a plan that he trust. We will see if it works? But theres a lot of people here that talk about regardless who the coach is we should root for the team to do well. But that wasn't the sentiment on these posts the last couple years from some on here. Now, besides losing why is that? Im curious to see if it gets to that point will it be the same for Kyle or will those on here continue to give him a pass? Im waiting to see if this staff can recruit at this level cause this isn't USF or Columbia or western Oregon or Dartmouth. Time will tell and I for one will definitely be anxious to see. cause like many of you Im a bandwagoner. lol Lets keep in mind for right now the best names they have been on from a recruiting stand point are players that the previous staff had already been on and offered. Kuany Kuany, Caleb Grill for starters. we will see what happens after this recruiting weekend but I would think they would have had some guys they had been looking at or known about that could play at this level? Bash me if like but as usual the truth stings a little.
Not sure if you’re Mr. Murphy, Mrs. Kent, or El Estupido’s brother, but good gawd man take a breath.
The guy hasn’t been here a month, and he’s pickin apples that have already dropped from the tree.
The old Ernie is like Romar, they could attract talent, and allow them to ball, but you’re F’d if they have to coach a lick.
No need to take a breath when im being called out about trashing the program. as for being Mr Murphy, they seem to be doing quite alright without WSU and honestly have more options then WSU has recruits on the board. Kent, I would think hes doing quite well with 4.2 million on deck. did you not read where I said he gets a pass in year 1 and 2. I dont question that he can coach and I believe he has a plan. All I said was I question whether him and his staff are able to recruit to this level??? If he can then the program will be able to thrive in the Pac 12. if not then nerdball wont be as attractive as it sounds right now!
Ernie Kent was a dismal failure at WSU and that’s why the fans turned on him and that’s why he was fired. He had some good runs at Oregon but ultimately failed at Oregon also, which is why the fans turned on him and why he was fired. He has been fired at his last two coaching stops and never has he left any institution with a winning conference record NEVER! If Smith and his nerdball fails at WSU the fans will be clamoring for a change that’s how college athletics works. People are excited because they think we finally have a basketball coach at WSU after 5 years of roll the ball out basketball.
Each of your personalities should at least attempt to use a different writing style and use different key words. It would make it harder for people to see through the smoke.
Each of your personalities should at least attempt to use a different writing style and use different key words. It would make it harder for people to see through the smoke.
Kent offered Caleb Grill but he didn't seem to consider us then and he's not considering us now. He likely ends up in the midwest or goes UNLV.
David Jenkins, Jr., R.J. Cole, and Stanley Umude are probably all as talented if not more talented. Will any visit and give us serious consideration? Kuany's visited but we will never know if we end up in the Final 3 if Kent's still coaching. Isaac Bonton and Noah Williams visits as well. Until they all sign somewhere we can hope but that's all it is.
Spot on!
You are a funny little man Jourdand, Has it ever occurred to you that many people feel the way he does.?Hell you and Observer are like two little wrinkled old malnourished little peanuts in a shell. bereft of new ideas or an objective viewpoint.I love it when you are confused when people do not agree with your"expertise"I want to see Observer and you using up your remaining eligibility to rescue the coach.
Rescue the coach? So in your mind he has already failed? Failure in your mind is an interesting concept, Bone failed, yet he was better than Kent I every catagory a coach is meseared in. Why support one and not the other? Has it ever occurred to you that everybody can see a profile was created at the same time half the board decided to block you! Has it ever occurred to you that you might possibly be wrong or do you prefer to dig a deeper hole by creating a new profile and keep the delusion alive. Hawkinson is undeserving of a D-1 scholarship, Cheatum will start from day one, Cooper is an instant impact player, Ernie Kent will not be fired... your basketball genius has been well documented.
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