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Jim McElwain

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If Leach does decide to leave for parts unknown, Jim McElwain is someone I’d like us to consider.

Born in Missoula, MT, played QB at Eastern, coached at Eastern. 52-31 as a head coach, 2-1 in bowls. 2 SEC East championships. MAC West champions this season at Central Michigan. Mountain West coach of the year, SEC coach of the year. 57 years old.

Checks a lot of boxes in my opinion.
 
Only after he and his boy issue a formal apology to Connor Halliday for what they said in the Gildan North Western New Mexico Sweatshirt bowl. The four Reich awaits his response.
 
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Dang dude I'm starting to think you're former texas tech chancellor Kent Hance. You despise Leach for some reason.

WTF are you talking about? I love Leach. I hope he sticks around, but he’s not the only one who gets to kick tires.
 
Only after he and his boy issue a formal apology to Connor Halliday for what they said in the Gildan North Western New Mexico Sweatshirt bowl. The four Reich awaits his response.
Interestingly the guilty coach is now the head coach at Walla Walla High School. McElwain did not take him with him to Florida and he was damaged goods. worked as a coordinator at a high school in Texas before coming back to the PNW.
 
If Leach does decide to leave for parts unknown, Jim McElwain is someone I’d like us to consider.

Born in Missoula, MT, played QB at Eastern, coached at Eastern. 52-31 as a head coach, 2-1 in bowls. 2 SEC East championships. MAC West champions this season at Central Michigan. Mountain West coach of the year, SEC coach of the year. 57 years old.

Checks a lot of boxes in my opinion.

After the Florida experience he wants to coach at a higher profile school than the one he is at....
 
After the Florida experience he wants to coach at a higher profile school than the one he is at....

He couldn’t get past the SEC West, but who can? Other than that, he’s won everywhere he’s coached.
 
If Leach does decide to leave for parts unknown, Jim McElwain is someone I’d like us to consider.

Born in Missoula, MT, played QB at Eastern, coached at Eastern. 52-31 as a head coach, 2-1 in bowls. 2 SEC East championships. MAC West champions this season at Central Michigan. Mountain West coach of the year, SEC coach of the year. 57 years old.

Checks a lot of boxes in my opinion.

Sounds like he's the #1 choice for Missouri.
 
That would be a disastrous hire. He is a horrible fit here. We've been recruiting to the Air Raid for 8 years now and you're gonna want someone to come in and run a pro set offense? Recruit against UW, Oregon, Cal, Stanford and a 100 other schools that run the same style? No, absolutely not. You have to stick with the Air Raid and there is a lot of coaches out there that run it. Also, he'll probably bring Akey as his DC. While that'll excite a lot of of the old Coug fans because he's very active on the sidelines I could do without his defense again.

McElwain is a good coach, turned around CSU and CMU, let him stay on the east coast, he's not a fit for Wazzu.
 
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He couldn’t get past the SEC West, but who can? Other than that, he’s won everywhere he’s coached.

He never coached in the SEC West, Florida is in the much weaker SEC East.

Leach is not going anywhere based on the current jobs on the table now. Scuttlebutt is that he is making crazy salary demands, which is sending a signal he really is not interested in leaving for those jobs at least. He may be an old grouch but he also has been around enough to know that Ark. and Ole Miss are dead end roads to nowhere. Arky fans ( probably not the leaders) are for unknown reason enamored with Kiffin, the man who gets more mileage out of doing nothing than any one in history.

The only thing I could see Leach leaving for at this point is the NFL or of course OU.
 
Losing Leach would be a disaster. Our only chance (IMO) at sustained greatness is something unconventional. We could go pro style and probably have a better AC record but a much worse record overall. Be VERY lucky to bowl even half the time trying to beat the bigger powers at their own game.

Losing Leach wouldnt be a disaster. Hiring a piss poor replacement would be.

You have, imo, 2 choices. You can do the same or do something different.

WSU isnt going to out SC, SC. So it has to be different.

The talent is on offense. To take a roster geared towards passing the ball and hire a coach that does the opposite would be failure.

It doesnt have to be an air raid coach. But it would have to be a guy that ran a passing offense to get the most out of the perimeter talent. And if course, hand it to MB 20 times lol.
 
why do you think having a coach that runs pro set when we invested 8-9 years recruiting to air raid is a good fit?

Because I think good coaches, guys who've won in multiple conferences, find a way to make it work. McElwain has coached in the NFL, and he's won coach of the year awards and/or division titles in the Mountain West, SEC, and MAC. I trust his resume.
 
Losing Leach wouldnt be a disaster. Hiring a piss poor replacement would be.

You have, imo, 2 choices. You can do the same or do something different.

WSU isnt going to out SC, SC. So it has to be different.

The talent is on offense. To take a roster geared towards passing the ball and hire a coach that does the opposite would be failure.

It doesnt have to be an air raid coach. But it would have to be a guy that ran a passing offense to get the most out of the perimeter talent. And if course, hand it to MB 20 times lol.
I thinks there's more than 2 good choices and several HC/DC-OC combinations provided the staff can hustle on recruiting and stay intact for 4 years without any major players leaving.
 
I thinks there's more than 2 good choices and several HC/DC-OC combinations provided the staff can hustle on recruiting and stay intact for 4 years without any major players leaving.

When I write two choices, I am not referring to coaching candidates. Im referring to how to choose your schemes. Just to be clear.
 
Losing Leach would be a disaster. Our only chance (IMO) at sustained greatness is something unconventional. We could go pro style and probably have a better AC record but a much worse record overall. Be VERY lucky to bowl even half the time trying to beat the bigger powers at their own game.

The reason I don't agree with this is because it generalizes pro-style offenses, which is just a term. Mike Price ran a pro-style offense some years, and other years we were a 5-wide out passing attack. Sometimes we had a mobile QB like Gesser, other times we had pocket passers like Bledsoe, Leaf, and Kegel.

A good coach, someone like McElwain, effectively marries the talent on his roster to the system he runs. A good coach with a good staff will be able to recruit offensive linemen, WRs, RB's, and QBs to Pullman. We've had a tradition of good offensive teams under Walden, Erickson, Price, Doba, and Leach.

I'm not discounting your fear. Believe me, I have it too, which is why I hope Leach sticks around. With that said, I'm a prudent thinker. If Leach is interviewing and rumors are true that he's considering leaving, WSU doesn't need to pucker up and be afraid if he goes. We need to step up and hire a good replacement.

Wulff scared the Hell out of all of us, but we're not a one hit wonder with Leach. We've had 5 top-10 finishes since 1997. We've gone to 5 straight bowl games. We're not a blue blood program, but our football program, facilities, salary, and game atmosphere is awesome. We can and will attract good candidates.
 
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When I write two choices, I am not referring to coaching candidates. Im referring to how to choose your schemes. Just to be clear.
OK, gotcha. Agree on the possibilities regarding schemes. Definitely not cared of other schemes unless they go full Paul Johnson ...and..that's never going to happen.
 
Losing Leach would be a disaster. Our only chance (IMO) at sustained greatness is something unconventional. We could go pro style and probably have a better AC record but a much worse record overall. Be VERY lucky to bowl even half the time trying to beat the bigger powers at their own game.
this is correct. You run balanced/pro style offense if you have equal to or greater talent. If you have less talent you run a wide open passing attack, the best version being the air raid. WSU is always going to have less talent.

McElwain is a bit of a retread imo, no offense.
 
Losing Leach wouldnt be a disaster. Hiring a piss poor replacement would be.

You have, imo, 2 choices. You can do the same or do something different.

WSU isnt going to out SC, SC. So it has to be different.

The talent is on offense. To take a roster geared towards passing the ball and hire a coach that does the opposite would be failure.

It doesnt have to be an air raid coach. But it would have to be a guy that ran a passing offense to get the most out of the perimeter talent. And if course, hand it to MB 20 times lol.


Would love to see Leach (or whoever comes next) run the air raid with a running QB.
 
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Even if we end up with a coach who doesn't run the same AR offense that Leach has installed, I would expect passing the ball would still be a primary element. What I'm just as interested in is what kind of attention a new head coach (and his staff) would bring to the defensive side. Will there be a more concerted effort to recruit and develop defensive players? If so, I would hope that might mitigate any slight dropoff in offense. WSU will probably always be a team that emphasizes offense, overwhelmingly through passing the ball, but it's kind of exciting to think about a coach who might expand the running game and, as I said, place more importance on the defensive side.

I don't know if McElwain is the guy, but I would certainly give him a lot of consideration.

Glad Cougar
 
What we're seeing now where people are starting to itch for the next HC was inevitable. We are a chick who looks like Sloth from the Goonies, and some industry boyfriend swooped us up and put us in movies for a few years. We have actually become delusional enough to think (a) we should be dating someone who can also win us Oscars and that (b) we will still have a career once we jettison the current guy.

Everybody points to formulas involving hitting it out of the park on hires and retention as if it's that easy now. News flash: that is an historical anomaly for WSU. We were well below 0.500 before CML came on board, and we are still below 0.500 today. It gets way uglier when you look at conference record. Nobody has ever reached the heights CML has, that playoffs were an outside possibility in Week 12, we had our best ever season, and finished in the Top 10.

Nobody's crazier about his give-up approach to the AC than I am, but history shows the next chapter of WSU football is more likely to return us to Oregon State territory than it is to catapult us to the next level with all of this job's non-negotiable disadvantages.
 
What we're seeing now where people are starting to itch for the next HC was inevitable. We are a chick who looks like Sloth from the Goonies, and some industry boyfriend swooped us up and put us in movies for a few years. We have actually become delusional enough to think (a) we should be dating someone who can also win us Oscars and that (b) we will still have a career once we jettison the current guy.

Everybody points to formulas involving hitting it out of the park on hires and retention as if it's that easy now. News flash: that is an historical anomaly for WSU. We were well below 0.500 before CML came on board, and we are still below 0.500 today. It gets way uglier when you look at conference record. Nobody has ever reached the heights CML has, that playoffs were an outside possibility in Week 12, we had our best ever season, and finished in the Top 10.

Nobody's crazier about his give-up approach to the AC than I am, but history shows the next chapter of WSU football is more likely to return us to Oregon State territory than it is to catapult us to the next level with all of this job's non-negotiable disadvantages.
One can respect and appreciate the long suffering history of WSU football (I go back to when I was a kid following Bert Clark's Cougars) and still desire a consistently winning team. No doubt Mike Leach has given us the best run of Cougar football of anyone over a 5+ year period and it is more than just appreciated. Nonetheless, if he leaves, would it be wrong to at least hope for a coach that can even do better? Maybe it's impossible, it will never get better than it has been. But I'd like to think if Leach leaves, it's not an automatic drop to the bottom of the conference. We should aspire to do as well or better.

Glad Cougar
 
One can respect and appreciate the long suffering history of WSU football (I go back to when I was a kid following Bert Clark's Cougars) and still desire a consistently winning team. No doubt Mike Leach has given us the best run of Cougar football of anyone over a 5+ year period and it is more than just appreciated. Nonetheless, if he leaves, would it be wrong to at least hope for a coach that can even do better? Maybe it's impossible, it will never get better than it has been. But I'd like to think if Leach leaves, it's not an automatic drop to the bottom of the conference. We should aspire to do as well or better.

Glad Cougar


The consistency aspect is what you would miss most with not having Leach. Other than a handful of programs it is hard in CFB to maintain consistency. Think about the 5 years run, was with 3 different QB's.

As I have stated I really think it is a remote long shot that Leach leaves for the jobs being discussed now and if he does it will be for head shaking type salary. Actually see this past season as a bridge year, and really think if one of the young QB's hits, the next couple of years could be really good ones.
 
One can respect and appreciate the long suffering history of WSU football (I go back to when I was a kid following Bert Clark's Cougars) and still desire a consistently winning team. No doubt Mike Leach has given us the best run of Cougar football of anyone over a 5+ year period and it is more than just appreciated. Nonetheless, if he leaves, would it be wrong to at least hope for a coach that can even do better? Maybe it's impossible, it will never get better than it has been. But I'd like to think if Leach leaves, it's not an automatic drop to the bottom of the conference. We should aspire to do as well or better.

Glad Cougar
I don't even think our points overlap. Yes, if he leaves, one would hope for better. I guess my point is I don't expect it.
 
The consistency aspect is what you would miss most with not having Leach. Other than a handful of programs it is hard in CFB to maintain consistency. Think about the 5 years run, was with 3 different QB's.

As I have stated I really think it is a remote long shot that Leach leaves for the jobs being discussed now and if he does it will be for head shaking type salary. Actually see this past season as a bridge year, and really think if one of the young QB's hits, the next couple of years could be really good ones.
exactly, as has been pointed out by others, wsu is going to have a rebuilding year every 3-5 years-its just inevitable right now, unless you are alabama, clemson, ohio state and a few other teams you cant just reload. 11-2 spoiled us, me included-where you thought you could build on that 11-2-it just wasn't realistic. I didn't foresee all the problems we had this year. It wouldn't surprise me though to see wsu 11-2 in 2021 when Borghi is a senior and we have a qb with a years experience behind him.
 
exactly, as has been pointed out by others, wsu is going to have a rebuilding year every 3-5 years-its just inevitable right now, unless you are alabama, clemson, ohio state and a few other teams you cant just reload. 11-2 spoiled us, me included-where you thought you could build on that 11-2-it just wasn't realistic. I didn't foresee all the problems we had this year. It wouldn't surprise me though to see wsu 11-2 in 2021 when Borghi is a senior and we have a qb with a years experience behind him.

The problem with 2021 is that’s our road game heavy year. 5 conference road games, and USC is back on the schedule. We also have BYU on the non conference schedule, although they’re not what they used to be.
 
We also have BYU on the non conference schedule, although they’re not what they used to be
When you're playing college boys who are fresh off their mission and in their late 30s, you'd be surprised at how they can find their stride again
 
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