Current Western Oregon (graduated) head coach and former UW and St. Mary’s assistant Jim Shaw is expected to be added to the staff. He’s done a good job with Western Oregon (believe they are D-II in same league as SPU) winning 20+ this season.
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Is Bennie being retained?
By the way, Shaw is known as a defensive mastermind and also spent 5 years coaching with Kelvin Sampson (& Bennie Seltzer) at Oklahoma. Shaw's team in 17-18 went 31-2 and was ranked #1 in the nation (D-II) for part of the season. Not sure about his recruiting abilities but he should be able to teach some defense.
Glad Cougar
By the way, Shaw is known as a defensive mastermind and also spent 5 years coaching with Kelvin Sampson (& Bennie Seltzer) at Oklahoma. Shaw's team in 17-18 went 31-2 and was ranked #1 in the nation (D-II) for part of the season. Not sure about his recruiting abilities but he should be able to teach some defense.
Glad Cougar
Shaw is from Port Townsend, so he is coming back to his home state. He has a very good resume' and has been with some great programs.. Another good hire. I do wonder who will be the third coach.
Shaw has a reputation as a really good X&O, team chemistry guy. I've heard some people make some petty complaints about him because of his time with the Huskies but the fact is that Romar never had another 20 win season after he let Shaw go (five years). He was grabbed up immediately by Randy Bennett.
He has had two 30 win seasons in his four years at Western Oregon.
He has had two 30 win seasons in his four years at Western Oregon.
Here is Shaw's bio from Western Oregon.
https://wouwolves.com/coaches.aspx?rc=824&path=mbball
Here is the beginning of the bio, "In his first year leading the program, Shaw led the Wolves to the GNAC regular season title, its first GNAC Championships tournament title and the No. 1 seed in the 2016 NCAA Division II Men's Basketball West Regional Tournament. The Wolves defended the home court three times to advance to the NCAA Division II Elite Eight with regional wins against Humboldt State, Azusa Pacific and UC San Diego. It is the first time that Western Oregon has advanced to the round of eight in a national tournament since the 1982 NAIA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament."
https://wouwolves.com/coaches.aspx?rc=824&path=mbball
Here is the beginning of the bio, "In his first year leading the program, Shaw led the Wolves to the GNAC regular season title, its first GNAC Championships tournament title and the No. 1 seed in the 2016 NCAA Division II Men's Basketball West Regional Tournament. The Wolves defended the home court three times to advance to the NCAA Division II Elite Eight with regional wins against Humboldt State, Azusa Pacific and UC San Diego. It is the first time that Western Oregon has advanced to the round of eight in a national tournament since the 1982 NAIA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament."
Jim Shaw is an interesting Coach. Lots of experience and ties to the Northwest.
https://smcgaels.com/news/2013/7/10/Jim_Shaw_Bio.aspx
https://smcgaels.com/news/2013/7/10/Jim_Shaw_Bio.aspx
Kevin Hovde is staying with USF so I would think that Jonathan Safir would likely be coming.if he wants. Another guy is there Video Coordinator Ralph Ferrari who is a big-time NerdBall guy.
It is almost like there isn't a track history of old guys (& gals) from the UW hoop programs flopping when they arrive in Pullman.
Lorenzo Romar lost once to every WSU coach (good & bad) during his tenure. Not Lute Olson.
Maybe that should read "....a track history of old guy (& gal) from the UW hoop programs flopping when they arrive in Pullman."
Unless I'm missing someone, that long track record is just two coaches: Bone and Daugherty. Small sample size.
Glad Cougar
Name a UW coach that was successful in Pullman?
Bone, Daugherty, Curtis Allen
Throw in Jim Sutherland and Bert Clark.
They all fail and all use Jim Clark's excuse book on the way out.
Romar wasn't winning because of Bone's X&O's or Shaw's.
It was the coffee cups. And those coffee cups don't translate to Pullman.
And honestly, Daugherty left the program in better shape than when she inherited it.
I'm sorry, but this argument is illogical. That a coach was at the uw has zero to do with how successful they will be at WSU. It may be a factoid, but it is a factoid that has no relevance
Didn't know Jim Sutherland, and Bert Clark came to WSU from the UW hoops program, which was your original point.
Glad Cougar
UW coaches learn to do less with more.
And were indoctrinated from their time in Seattle that you cant win in Pullman, that EW sucks etc.
They are in Pullman for a payday, not career advancement
Again, zero logic in your post. Name a college coach that does this for free? They all do this for the payday.
Regarding Shaw, he is not a young coach. He has coached at major college programs. He is the head coach of a small school that happens to be where he attended school. He is choosing to come to WSU. Our coach thinks he is a great fit.
I hate the uw as much as anyone, but I do not get stupid because of it.
From some of the comments, stories, I have seen, read, it sounds like to me that he sounds, seems like he is a good recruiter.
Will see though.
I didnt know that. Hadnt heard anything about that.
All I knew was that so far it was Phelps, Shaw, Seltzer, so far, until if, when, if Smith didnt retain Seltzer, and replaced Seltzer.
I was also saying, meant, in saying "Seltzer, Shaw, Phelps is a good staff", that I thought thst would be a good staff, whether Smith retained Seltzer or Not.
I saw in another thread, comment, and in a newstory I read, etc, that Shaw not only was a Assistant of LOTS of GOOD college programs for LOTS of YEARS:
But was a Assistant at Highline Community College, where with Cameron Dollar recruited whats probably the best class a, any, ALL community college(s) has ever recruited, in ALL of community college history.(recognized all the names, FREAKING AMAZING CLASS, BETTER then a LOT of Div 1, Div 2, NAIA, Midmajor, Power 5, etc, classes)
Was a HC at a Div 2 College that went about 30-2.
For a example, that would be like Whitworth going 30-2.
And even if its a Whitworth going 30-2, thats still pretty freaking amazing at the Div 2 Whitworth Level.
Since Shaw was good enough to do as well, and recruit as well as he did at SMALL colleges, like Highline community College, and a Div 2 college, then there is a good chance that Shaw will probably do well at SMALL POWER 5 COLLEGE WSU that has a lot of the same recruiting challenges, as SMALL community colleges, and SMALL DIV 2 colleges do.
Your being OVERLY NEGATIVE about Shaw, and DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
And as Spock would say.
YOUR ILLOGICAL
But was a Assistant at Highline Community College, where with Cameron Dollar recruited whats probably the best class a, any, ALL community college(s) has ever recruited, in ALL of community college history.(recognized all the names, FREAKING AMAZING CLASS, BETTER then a LOT of Div 1, Div 2, NAIA, Midmajor, Power 5, etc, classes)
Was a HC at a Div 2 College that went about 30-2.
For a example, that would be like Whitworth going 30-2.
And even if its a Whitworth going 30-2, thats still pretty freaking amazing at the Div 2 Whitworth Level.
Since Shaw was good enough to do as well, and recruit as well as he did at SMALL colleges, like Highline community College, and a Div 2 college, then there is a good chance that Shaw will probably do well at SMALL POWER 5 COLLEGE WSU that has a lot of the same recruiting challenges, as SMALL community colleges, and SMALL DIV 2 colleges do.
Your being OVERLY NEGATIVE about Shaw, and DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
And as Spock would say.
YOUR ILLOGICAL
I agree, Shaw has a great resume and will be a real asset for WSU's basketball program. But you might be thinking of some other coach....Shaw never coached at Highline or any other junior college. Also, for the record, Whitworth is Division 3, not Division 2 like Western Oregon. Shaw has been an incredibly successful D-2 head coach.
Glad Cougar
The local D2s and NWAC (including Highline) are garbage.
This guy was part of the UW staff who pulled strings to get Venoy Overton into UW, kept him eligible and incredibly kept him on the team after he was charged for pimping.
I'll save you the trouble with your caps button:
VENOY OVERTON WAS SUSPENDED FOR THE PAC 10 TOURNAMENT FOR PIMPING & JIM SHAW WAS ON THAT UW COACHING STAFF
Jim Shaw and UW's record with Venoy Overton vs WSU during the end of Tony Bennett era & ugly Bone transition was only 5-4.
No resignation, Shaw stayed another two years through the Tony Wroten Jr era - another player who had strings pulled to get into UW (& before that into Garfield).
I'm against this hire. I played church league hoops with Jim Shaw a couple times. He was a ball hog and said incoherent things like "Less is more". Moreover, I don't think he respected my game.
I dont care that your against the hire.
I dont care that Jim Shaw was a supposed jerk, ball hog in your local church basketball league.
Back in the day, I wasnt a perfect player. I had holes in my game. And when I played Church League Basketball, and Intramural Basketball, and pick up, playground basketball, etc, there are times, I was a jerk, trash talked, played well, sucked at times.
For example. I could not create my own game. I wasnt a good rebounder. If players were ball hogs, and didnt give me the ball, I didnt have a chance to shine, and some might have thought I was a sucky player because of that.
And many thought I was the suckiest player ever.
But in the right environment, right fit, with the right players, coaches, etc, I was a awesome player.
Thats why I was able to walk on to the community college team. Thats why as the starting PG for the Church League, I played on why we won the Regional Championship game, scored 120 as a team. Thats why the Intramural Team I was a guard on, scored 120, won the championship game against the mens community college team. Thats why when I played 4,5 on 4,5 halfcourt, full court games, with, against some of the best highschool, college, players, coaches, missionary, B Ball Players in the Nation at BYU, who lived, ate, drank, slept, etc, basketball, on Mondays at the BYU, Provo, MTC, Gym, why I consistently scored, about 11 to 17 points, 7 to 17 assist.
Now thats not to brag.
But I am sure based on my so called earlier SUCKY PLAY, that if you were to tell them that I was, could be a good B Ball player, they would have laughed the buts off.
Why?
Because they didnt give me the chance, in Basketball, and all they saw was the player who got no rebounds, never touched the ball, never got assist, never did anything, other then to move around, get open, set screens, do all the right little things, and hope to get a chance.
Also they only saw the guy who trashtalked, was a jerk at times.
Now I am sure, if I had become a coach at Shaw's level, and if I were to be, have Shaw's success, I am pretty sure, there would be someone like you that would say:
"Hey I dont like the hiring of that supposed coach Mikalas. He was sucky. I know. I played against him. He was also a Jerk, A trashtalker, etc. And because of that, those things, he shouldnt be coaching here."
Thats what your doing to Coach Shaw.
And its stupid.
Doesnt matter what Jim Shaw was back then.
What matters is what is Jim Shaw NOW.
Is he a good coach?
Will he do a good job?
And the answer to that is probably yes.
Doesnt matter what he did back then, or that he was a supposed BALL HOG.
Also even if he is like that, doesnt mean he is a bad coach.
Mike Leach probably is, would be a BAD FOOTBALL player. Does that mean he doesnt know how to coach, wouldnt be a good coach?
NO.
Similarly, a person could be a terribly bad BALL HOG player and still be a good B Ball coach.
So just because you didnt like your personal playing experience with Jim Shaw, does not make Jim Shaw a bad coach, a bad hire.
So nobody is going to listen to you.
Especially not Chun, Schultz, Us here on this board, Smith, etc.
Enjoy your sour grapes, butthurtness over Jim Shaw either beating you, or being a Ball Hog, so that you never got the ball.
WAAAAAAA.
I think TZCoug84 wrote that in jest. I actually found it funny, which I believe was the intention.
Glad Cougar
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