Kealen Allen (JC) offered

[SaveFerris]

Kealen Allen (6'6" 225) was offered yesterday. According to this article he also has offers from Oregon State and TCU. He appears to have 4-to-play-3. Listed as a SF but seems to play mostly in the low post. Went 0-5 from 3 but watched a bit of one his games and he knocked down a couple shots away from the basket (1 in the lane, another just inside 3 to beat the shot clock).

Seems like a Tony Miller or maybe Rawlins-Kibonge type player.

https://www.jucorecruiting.com/news_article/show/1106336

 

[mikalalas]

At 6 ft 6 he would have played the 4/PF at a JC. When I walked on/made the team, and was a Mascot at Big Bend Community JC College, the Center/5 was 6 ft 7.5, and the PF/4 was 6 ft 5.

That's par for the course at JC colleges. JC colleges are not like Div 2, Div 1, Mid Major/Power 5, etc, where the 5/center is 6 ft 8.5+, and the PF is 6 ft 7.5+, where generally a 6 ft 6, unless they are Charles Barkely esque, dont generally play the 4/PF, and instead play the 3/SF/3 guard.

The only exceptions to that are the 6 ft 6.5 in Lodwicks, WHEN, IF WSU/a team is undersized, has a hole at the 4/PF spot that they are trying to fill, or if the player is Charles Barkley, Ivory Clark, Jeff Varem like, esque.

WSU has: Vova, Jackson, Tony Miller, Agobidi, Chatfield(6ft 10).

That's 5 deep at 4,5/Center/PF, bigs spots. And the shortest is Tony Miller at about 6 ft 7.5 to 6 ft 8.5.

So there is no hole at the 4. So there is no reason why the 6 ft 6 in new recruit would play the 4 at WSU.

If CJ stays in the Draft, and even if he returns, the new 6 ft 6 in recruit likely plays the 3/SF/3 guard spot, not the 4, no matter if he is listed at 3/4 or pegged as a 4 by outside sources.

Unless Smith or other WSU coaches, etc, say he is going to play the 4, he is going to play the 3.

 

[Glad Cougar]

At 6 ft 6 he would have played the 4/PF at a JC. When I walked on/made the team, and was a Mascot at Big Bend Community JC College, the Center/5 was 6 ft 7.5, and the PF/4 was 6 ft 5.

That's par for the course at JC colleges. JC colleges are not like Div 2, Div 1, Mid Major/Power 5, etc, where the 5/center is 6 ft 8.5+, and the PF is 6 ft 7.5+, where generally a 6 ft 6, unless they are Charles Barkely esque, dont generally play the 4/PF, and instead play the 3/SF/3 guard.

The only exceptions to that are the 6 ft 6.5 in Lodwicks, WHEN, IF WSU/a team is undersized, has a hole at the 4/PF spot that they are trying to fill, or if the player is Charles Barkley, Ivory Clark, Jeff Varem like, esque.

WSU has: Vova, Jackson, Tony Miller, Agobidi, Chatfield(6ft 10).

That's 5 deep at 4,5/Center/PF, bigs spots. And the shortest is Tony Miller at about 6 ft 7.5 to 6 ft 8.5.

So there is no hole at the 4. So there is no reason why the 6 ft 6 in new recruit would play the 4 at WSU.

If CJ stays in the Draft, and even if he returns, the new 6 ft 6 in recruit likely plays the 3/SF/3 guard spot, not the 4, no matter if he is listed at 3/4 or pegged as a 4 by outside sources.

Unless Smith or other WSU coaches, etc, say he is going to play the 4, he is going to play the 3.

Allen is bigger than Tony Miller (same height but outweighs him by 15 pounds), who has been starting at WSU as a 4 and will continue to do so. It appears Allen has taken a vast majority of his shots well within the 3-point line and certainly does not appear to be an option at 3. I'm thinking it's more important for Smith to recruit more of a perimeter player because, as you said, we seem to have more depth at the 4 and 5.

Glad Cougar

 

[SaveFerris]

Allen is bigger than Tony Miller (same height but outweighs him by 15 pounds), who has been starting at WSU as a 4 and will continue to do so. It appears Smith has taken a vast majority of his shots well within the 3-point line and certainly does not appear to be an option at 3. I'm thinking it's more important for Smith to recruit more of a perimeter player because, as you said, we seem to have more depth at the 4 and 5.

Glad Cougar

I found some full games of his but could only stomach about a quarter. He actually made a couple of shots (1 in the key, 1 just inside 3 to beat the shot clock) but he's primarily used in the low post. He went 0-5 from 3 for the year. I'm not sure why he's listed as a SF.

 

[jourdand]

Where a player contributes is predicated more on their skill set than their size. A taller guard can play the post if necessary but a shorter post can’t play guard without the skills. There are plenty of 7 footers playing post at the JC level and there are also plenty of 6-3 post players at multiple levels.

 

[mikalalas]

Where a player contributes is predicated more on their skill set than their size. A taller guard can play the post if necessary but a shorter post can’t play guard without the skills. There are plenty of 7 footers playing post at the JC level and there are also plenty of 6-3 post players at multiple levels.

I was talking in generalities, and even said there are exceptions.

7 footers at JC are NOT THE NORM. Maybe they are the NORM at ELITE JC's, but at yoyr average, podunk JC, they are not the norm.

Big Bend Community College's biggest post player was about 6 ft 10 in about 20 to 40 years, and they either went to the NWAAC championship game, an or went to the playoffs with that big of a post.

Wenatchee, Walla Walla, Community Colleges of Spokane had some, more about 6 ft 11's then Big Bend did, because they were more elite in the NWAAC. Clackamas also had some 6 ft 11's, but somewhere between some to most of the time, the NWAAC JC community colleges did not have 7 footers.

Now NWAAC wasnt a elite JC league. But still only the Elite JC leagues, conferences, and Elite JC colleges are going to have 7 footers on a semi regular, semi normal basis.

 

[mikalalas]

Allen is bigger than Tony Miller (same height but outweighs him by 15 pounds), who has been starting at WSU as a 4 and will continue to do so. It appears Allen has taken a vast majority of his shots well within the 3-point line and certainly does not appear to be an option at 3. I'm thinking it's more important for Smith to recruit more of a perimeter player because, as you said, we seem to have more depth at the 4 and 5.

Glad Cougar

Saveferris said that the recruit was 6 ft 6 in 225.

Tony Miller is about, around 6 ft 7.5 in, and about 229 pounds, and is BIGGER then the 6ft 6 in 225 that saveferris mentioned.

If the recruit is bigger then 6ft 6 in, and weighs more then 225 to 230, and is bigger then Tony Miller, then take that up with Saveferris, since he said 6 ft 6 in 225 for the recruit.

And its not just size, bigness, etc, Tony Miller is bigger, Taller, weighs more, stronger, more athletic, etc, then the 6 ft 6 in 225 of the recruit, if Saveferris listed the right height weight, etc, for the recruit.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Saveferris said that the recruit was 6 ft 6 in 225.

Tony Miller is about, around 6 ft 7.5 in, and about 229 pounds, and is BIGGER then the 6ft 6 in 225 that saveferris mentioned.

If the recruit is bigger then 6ft 6 in, and weighs more then 225 to 230, and is bigger then Tony Miller, then take that up with Saveferris, since he said 6 ft 6 in 225 for the recruit.

And its not just size, bigness, etc, Tony Miller is bigger, Taller, weighs more, stronger, more athletic, etc, then the 6 ft 6 in 225 of the recruit, if Saveferris listed the right height weight, etc, for the recruit.

Miller is not bigger than Allen. Or perhaps I should take it up with the official WSU Athletics Department and its official basketball roster. See link below.

Tony Miller

Getting back to the original point: Kealan Allen is not a wing player, he has never been one, he will not play a "3" if he comes to WSU, he appears to have no outside game....and it doesn't matter whether he's bigger or smaller than Tony Miller.

Glad Cougar

 

[jourdand]

I’ve seen 7 footers play Jv high school basketball, size is obviously an important part of basketball but you still have to play the game.

 

[SaveFerris]

I misinterpreted Verbal Commits and totally missed Allen's class in an article. Allen is the 2021 class so a normal 2-year JC (3-to-play-2).

 

[wulffbone]

At 6 ft 6 he would have played the 4/PF at a JC. When I walked on/made the team, and was a Mascot at Big Bend Community JC College, the Center/5 was 6 ft 7.5, and the PF/4 was 6 ft 5.

That's par for the course at JC colleges. JC colleges are not like Div 2, Div 1, Mid Major/Power 5, etc, where the 5/center is 6 ft 8.5+, and the PF is 6 ft 7.5+, where generally a 6 ft 6, unless they are Charles Barkely esque, dont generally play the 4/PF, and instead play the 3/SF/3 guard.

The only exceptions to that are the 6 ft 6.5 in Lodwicks, WHEN, IF WSU/a team is undersized, has a hole at the 4/PF spot that they are trying to fill, or if the player is Charles Barkley, Ivory Clark, Jeff Varem like, esque.

WSU has: Vova, Jackson, Tony Miller, Agobidi, Chatfield(6ft 10).

That's 5 deep at 4,5/Center/PF, bigs spots. And the shortest is Tony Miller at about 6 ft 7.5 to 6 ft 8.5.

So there is no hole at the 4. So there is no reason why the 6 ft 6 in new recruit would play the 4 at WSU.

If CJ stays in the Draft, and even if he returns, the new 6 ft 6 in recruit likely plays the 3/SF/3 guard spot, not the 4, no matter if he is listed at 3/4 or pegged as a 4 by outside sources.

Unless Smith or other WSU coaches, etc, say he is going to play the 4, he is going to play the 3.

"And the shortest is Tony Miller at about 6 ft 7.5 to 6 ft 8.5."
Sorry, Miller has long arms but I'm doubtful he's any taller than 6'5 1/2.

 

[SaveFerris]

More offers out to Allen according to Verbal Commits. He picked up offers from USC, New Mexico State, New Mexico, SMU, SDSU, and Rutgers.