WSU gets huge commitment from Mouhamed Gueye. He will apparently enroll early in 2021 so the roster is still in moving.
MBB Commit: Mouhamed Gueye
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This is new territory. According to verbal commits Gueye had offers from UCLA and KU. Gives us more versatility and talent at the 4/5 than we have ever had in Pullman (and I don't think it's that close). It's all on paper but pretty good looking paper at this point.
Can we give Smith a 10 year contract right now? This is amazing recruiting the last two years.
Extremely impressive addition to the roster. It wasn't that long ago that we had to beat out teams like Montana, Northern Arizona, and Portland State for players. Now we are battling UCLA and Kansas....and winning, at least on this one. Now comes the challenge of molding these great recruits into a consistently competitive team that will challenge the upper half of the conference and get back to the NCAA tournament.
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New territory indeed. See the link below.
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That's nuts. Pretty sure we can find a place for "elite upside" in the rotation.New territory indeed. See the link below.
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Yes, wasn't he Parade All-American and #1 rated? The system was totally different back then but he was a huge get. There was a Jud Heathcote article I found where he tells the story about finding out George had snagged House out from under him at Michigan State and everyone else. I would like to hear the off the record version from both Jud and George.
Holy crap. Go out to lunch and this happens. Maybe I should go out to lunch more often! 
New territory indeed. See the link below.
2023 NBA Mock Draft - NBA Draft Room
Full 2 round 2023 NBA Mock Draft. Victor Wembanyama is the prize at the top of the 2023 NBA Draft with Scoot Henderson no.2. NBA Mock Draft
As Saveferris said, he TURNED down offers from Kansas, Kentucky(Mentioned in interview), UCLA, etc.
He is a 4.5 star, NBA DRAFT LOTTERY PROJECTED PROSPECT, that according to the above linked CREDIBLE SOURCE, is PROJECTED to be drafted #8 in the 2023 NBA DRAFT, after his JR YR.
He is the highest rated recruit Smith has ever recruited. And the #2 highest rated recruit in all of WSU's history(Only Stuart House was rated higher)
This should put to rest that WSU doesnt get 1,2,3 and dones, and NBA DRAFT TOP 10 LOTTERY PICKS, PROSPECTS.
This should put to Rest that Tanner Groves, Wendell Green, Eason, Marjon Champ, 4.5/5 stars, NBA players, etc dont, wont choose WSU over UW, UCLA, ARIZONA, KANSAS, KENTUCKY, DUKE, NORTH CAROLINA, ETC.
SIMPLY EFFIN AMAZING.
Smith is the BEST RECRUITING WSU Coach, since RAVELING, and PROBABLY MIGHT PROBABLY EVEN BETTER THEN RAVELING.
Best EFFIN hire by a AD, lets keep SMITH AND CHUN both here for 10 to 20 years.
Dischon Jackson, EFE, Gueye, all 3 of them will be, are starters, via PLATOONING.
ALL 3 are too good NOT to Start.
All 3 will get about 27 to 30 to 33 minutes, thru ROTATING, PLATOONING.
Gueye doesnt just have Semi Raw, ELITE UPSIDE. He is comparable to the Retired Ex Sonic, 6ft 11 Rashard Lewis, that was drafted #19 in the 1st Round of draft(Lower then Gueye's projected #8 pick in the 2023 NBA Draft)
Both players are, were, EXTREMELY, FREAKISHLY ATHLETIC, QUICK, FAST, SPEEDY, JUMP OUT OF GYM, Block shots, Posterize, DUNK over Defender's faces, shoot 3 pointers, shoot midrange jumpers, can face up, drive, slash, attack basket, juke, break ankles, floaters, tear droppers, runners, lay ups, low, high post, back to basket, hook shot, good hands, up and under, good post moves, good passers out of post, good rebounding, good defense, stealing the ball, drawing charges, good freethrow shooting, basically doing it all, playing the 2,3,4,5 spots.
Gueye can play the 3,4,5 spots.
If Gueye doesnt want to wait until JR year to be a LOTTERY PICK, he could get drafted in bottom of 1st round, top of 2nd round after his Sophmore year. And if he were to leave after his freshman year, he could get drafted, bottom of 2nd round of draft.
Thats how good Gueye is. You dont get such a player to then not have them start, or at least PLATOON, SITUATIONAL, ROTATIONAL START, 27 to 30 to 33 minutes per game.
He is probably going to get about 13 ppg, 9 to 13 rebounds per game, 1,2,3,4 blocks per game, 1,2,3,4 steals per game, 1,2,3,4 draw a charges per game, 1,2,3,4 loose balls per game, Elite Defense per game, 50% from the field, 39% from 3 point range, 39 to 43% from midrange, 80% from freethrow, 1,2,3,4 assist per game, only about 1, 1.5, 2 turnovers per game.
Not saying, guaranteeing that he will, would do that, but thats what he is probably capable of ON PAPER.
Still holding out hope..
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Before getting Gueye, I projected about 18,19 wins to 22,23 wins in regular season, 8-10, 9-9, 10-8, 11-7, etc in conference, and 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th in conference, 1,2,3 Pac 12 Tourny wins, and NIT Top 2/4/6, to 2nd Round, Sweet 16, NCAA Tourny, and about 22,23,24 total wins.
I said that if add Tanner, Eason, that would improve to:
19 to 23 wins, reg season, 9-9, 10-8,11-7,12-6, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th in conference, 2,3 pac 12 tourny wins, NIT Champ/Sweet 16 NCAA, 23,24,25 total wins.
If add Champ it would be:
20 to 24 wins, reg season, 2nd, 3rd,4th, 5th, in conference, 10-8,11-7,12-6,13-5, Sweet 16, Elite 8, maybe Final 4, 24,25,26,27 total wins.
With Gueye, which is just as good as getting Champ or better then getting Champ(Who is projected LOWER then Gueye, at, in about bottom of 2nd Round to Mid 2nd Round of Draft)
20,21 to 24,25 wins, 11-7,12-6,13-5,14-4, 2nd, 3rd, 4th in conference, 3,4 wins in Pac 12 Tourny, Sweet 16, Elite 8, Final 4 NCAA's, 26,27,28,29 total wins.
If Champ were to join WSU, in addition to now having Gueye:
22 to 26 wins, 12-6,13-5,14-4,15-3, 1st, 2nd, 3rd in conference, 4 Pac 12 Tourny wins, Elite 8, Final 4 NCAA's, 27,28,29,30 total wins.
But now that WSU got Gueye, I dont think WSU will, would get Champ, because already somebody probably has to leave to make room for GUEYE(Probably Rapp), and so cant run the whole team to make room for Champ. Also Champ might not do well enough in his online HS classes, Yakima CC classes to qualify, and or Marjon might goto Oregon, all of which would be good reasons for WSU to get Gueye over Champ.
If you or anybody thinks this is pie in the sky, it isnt.
ON PAPER, This is the BEST, HIGHEST RATED, MOST TALENTED team since TONY BENNET, Kelvin Sampson's NCAA WSU TEAM, And Raveling's, Guy Williams, Stuart House, James Donaldson team.
1. Flowers(Seltzer, Low, etc, cant hold his Jock Strap), Tyrell Roberts, Koulibaly, Rice, Rapp
2. Noah(NBA Prospect), Koulibaly, Flowers, Bamba, Rapp
3. DJ Rodman, Kim, AJ, Rosario, Bamba, Noah, Rapp
4. EFe(NBA Prospect)/Gueye(LOTTERY PICK PROSPECT)(Platoon, situational, rotational starters, AJ, Kim, Tony Miller, 6-9 Walk On
5. Dischon(NBA Prospect)/Gueye(Lottery Pick Prospect)(Platooning, Situational, Rotational Starters), Vova, Efe, 6-9 Walk On:
That Team SHOULD BE ABLE TO:
ABOUT 19,20,21 to 23,24,25 wins, 10-8,12-7,12-6,13-5,14-4, in conference, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, in conference, 2,3,4 wins in Pac 12 Tourny, NIT Champ, 2nd Round, Sweet 16, Elite 8, NCAA's, about 22,23,24,25,26,27 Total Wins.
Not saying that they will get that. Just that they coukd, shoukd get that based on that's the POTENTIAL ON PAPER
Very impressive highlights on the web. Another amazing recruit that for the most part came out of nowhere. At least I hadn’t heard about us recruiting him.
On further research he played back-up on his prep team behind the 5 star Oregon commit and another high 4 star. What a stacked prep team that must have been. Averaged 6 points and 6 rebounds per game so I think his rating is largely based on his extreme upside.
One article speculates it’s a great situation at WSU for him because he will be able to back up Efe and Jackson his freshman year allowing him time to get stronger and more experience in the game. Has only been playing basketball for a few years. He will definitely help with the fear factor of foul trouble.
Three weeks to figure out who is not going to have scholarship renewed, my wild guess would be Rosario
On further research he played back-up on his prep team behind the 5 star Oregon commit and another high 4 star. What a stacked prep team that must have been. Averaged 6 points and 6 rebounds per game so I think his rating is largely based on his extreme upside.
One article speculates it’s a great situation at WSU for him because he will be able to back up Efe and Jackson his freshman year allowing him time to get stronger and more experience in the game. Has only been playing basketball for a few years. He will definitely help with the fear factor of foul trouble.
Three weeks to figure out who is not going to have scholarship renewed, my wild guess would be Rosario
Rosario was injured last year. He is a 4 star, that is RAW, is 4 star, has a lot of potential.
Yeah Rapp is TECHNICALLY better then Rosario NOW, but by the time Rosario is a Junior, Senior, he will probably be better then not only Rapp, but others on team.
Here are the players on team that can transfer, free up a scholly for Gueye:
Noah(HELL NO)
Koulibaly(NO)
Bamba(Same as Rosario VS Rapp, so NO)
DJ Rodman(NO)
AJ(NO)
VOVA(NO)
Dischon(HELL NO)
EFE(HELL NO)
Also unless there are injuries, etc, Rapp is only going to get about 10 to 13 to 15 to 17 minutes per game.
All the other choices will likely get either more minutes, or if not, have higher upside, potential, will be better in future then Rapp.
I know you like Rapp.
But Rapp probably needs to go, and probably will be the one who goes, to make room for Gueye
Its not just only his EXTREME ATLETICISM, HIS EXTREME UPSIDE.
Yeah his stats werent great, BUT its hard to have good, great stats when 2 of the best players in the country, a 5 star, and another 4 star, are starting in front of you.
Yeah he has only been playing bball for about 3,4 years.
But the Twitter Trail, Interviews, articles, say that he has a lot of skills, Talent, and a well rounded all around game.
And in his Videos, he is shooting, making 3 pointers, mid range shots, dunks, lay ups, juking, slashing, driving, attacking the basket, blocking shots, rebounding, put back dunks, alley oops, etc.
Those sources say he can play the 3,4,5 spots, and he is projected to play the 3,4,5 spots in College, and the 2,3,4,5 spots in the NBA(Projected, by linked credible sources above, to be drafted as the #8 pick in the 1st round, of the 2023 NBA Draft)
Yeah his stats werent great, BUT its hard to have good, great stats when 2 of the best players in the country, a 5 star, and another 4 star, are starting in front of you.
Yeah he has only been playing bball for about 3,4 years.
But the Twitter Trail, Interviews, articles, say that he has a lot of skills, Talent, and a well rounded all around game.
And in his Videos, he is shooting, making 3 pointers, mid range shots, dunks, lay ups, juking, slashing, driving, attacking the basket, blocking shots, rebounding, put back dunks, alley oops, etc.
Those sources say he can play the 3,4,5 spots, and he is projected to play the 3,4,5 spots in College, and the 2,3,4,5 spots in the NBA(Projected, by linked credible sources above, to be drafted as the #8 pick in the 1st round, of the 2023 NBA Draft)
No it's not NUTS. Better get used to Smith, WSU, doing this, recruiting, getting that kind of player to WSU, and beating Oregon, UCLA, UW, Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, etc, in RECRUITING BATTLES, for recruits, on a more semi regular basis, more often now.
This is NOT the POOR OLE LITTLE OLE WSU anymore.
WSU, Smith is a BIG BOY BBALL Program, coach.
And when, if Smith, Chun, stay for about, at least another about 6,7,8,9 years, an or hire another Smith like replacement, then WSU, in about 9 to 17 years will be like Gonzaga is now, BBALL program wise.
WSU is either becoming, or is a BASKETBALL school.
Get used to it.
And enough with the Poor Ole Little Ole WSU cant beat out UW, or the Kentucky's for recruits.
I'm sure that if UW had room, schollies available, that they would have also offered Gueye, wanted him, tried to get him, and then cried like spoiled dogs, watching him goto WSU.
I only mentioned Rosario because this commitment would seem to cut further into his prospective playing time. Rosario was a very high rated recruit but he was far from ready for the D-1 game his freshman year. He had a minor ankle injury early in the year but missed only a week or two of practice and was available for pretty much all the season but coach rarely played him. I think if he stays he has a bright future at WSU. Others this could affect are Rodman, AJ, Volvo, Bamba and Aiken who i don’t think has signed yet. All hype for this guy needs to be tempered, it’s awesome to be excited about new recruits and this guy has a lot to be excited about but he is going to be even more raw/ shell shocked than normal freshmen because he has only played ball for 2 years. It should work to his advantage that for the last 2 years he has practiced with and against very good players.
He says once he reclassified to 2021 UCLA and others dropped off their interest because they were full. We also are full plus some but it looks like it will work out to our benifit in the long run.
Have to wonder if someone or more than one has already expressed to the coaches they aren’t planning on returning. I hope if that’s the case it’s not AJ, if he doesn’t come back more than likely he would be going home to go pro so being in the portal wouldn’t show up.
He says once he reclassified to 2021 UCLA and others dropped off their interest because they were full. We also are full plus some but it looks like it will work out to our benifit in the long run.
Have to wonder if someone or more than one has already expressed to the coaches they aren’t planning on returning. I hope if that’s the case it’s not AJ, if he doesn’t come back more than likely he would be going home to go pro so being in the portal wouldn’t show up.
While I love the excitement and think this is an amazing get.. Agreed one of the best 2 year recruiting cycles in WSU history. To suddenly think that means we are a 22-24 or more win team is overly optimistic. A simple look at any recruiting rankings will tell you that this is the norm for several other teams in our conference..i
In reality we have only caught up in terms of recruiting rankings.. I am also wondering how we find time for all of these guys. Amazing job by the coaching staff and I am as intrigued/ hopeful as anyone, but this is step 1. It is in no way a ticket to the NCAA tournament. While he is a very high upside prospect he is still very raw, he is not a Champ type of prospect..
In reality we have only caught up in terms of recruiting rankings.. I am also wondering how we find time for all of these guys. Amazing job by the coaching staff and I am as intrigued/ hopeful as anyone, but this is step 1. It is in no way a ticket to the NCAA tournament. While he is a very high upside prospect he is still very raw, he is not a Champ type of prospect..
His playing time will be determined by defense. Looks like he needs time to build strength as well. It can get pretty physical in the Pac-12, much more physical than these highlights show. Excited to watch this young man develop as a Cougar!!
Quite Frankly, this is the DEEPEST, MOST HIGHEST RATED PLAYERS, TALENT, etc, TEAM since TONY BENNET, KELVIN SAMPSON, RAVELING.
AND ONLY KLAY THOMPSON, GUY WILLIAMS, STUART HOUSE, JAMES DONALDSON, SELTZER, TERRENCE LEWIS, NEIL DEREK, IKE FONTAINE, HENDRICKSON, ETC, WERE AS GOOD AS OR BETTER THEN SOME TO MOST OF THE PLAYERS ON THIS WSU TEAM.
THIS WSU TEAM ON PAPER, POTENTIAL WISE IS THAT GOOD.
And going back to the Tony Bennet Years, his players while good, were not this highly rated, and were not this good, were not this deep.
The only reason why Tony Bennets players ended up being as good as they were was, altho they were underrated, good, great, Tony Bennet's System, coaching, developing them, had a lot more to do with those players being good. If another coach had coached them, they likely wouldnt have been nearly as good.
Also if Tony Bennet were to coach this team, instead of Smith, he Tony Bennet would likely take them to the Elite 8, Final 4, either this year or next year, with at least the same number of wins as he Tony got out of Low, Weaver, Cowgil's, Sweet 16 season.
Dischon, EFE, Gueye, would have OWNED, Destroyed Cowgil, without Tony around.
If Smith is a good coach, he should be able to get at least 19,20,21 during the reg season, at least 8-10,9-9,10-8,11-7, in conference, and at least a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th in conference at least 1,2 Pac 12 tourny wins, at least a NIT Final 2/4/6, an or a 2nd round, Sweet 16, maybe even a Elite 8, NCAA Tourny. The Total wins, should at least be 21,22,23,24 wins.
HECK EVEN EASTMAN, AND BONE, 2 BAD COACHES got about 19 wins, and NIT, with a LOT LESS then what Smith has now(Excepting Klay, Hendrickson, Ellison, iKE Fontaine(Those 2 teams while had 1,2,3 STARS on them, OVERRALL, they werent as DEEP, GOOD, ON PAPER as this Smith Team is.)
And about GUEYE, The NBA, NBADRAFT.COM, and other CREDIBLE EXPERTS, MORE CREDIBLE THEN YOU, DISAGREE WITH YOU AND PROJECT GUEYE AS THE #8 LOTTERY PICK IN THE 1ST ROUND OF THE 2023 NBA DRAFT.
There either is or should be a problem if Smith cant at least get this team to at least a 18,19,20,21 wins, bubble NCAA appearance, because Bone, Eastman, got almost that with LESS OR SAME AT EXTREME BEST, and even they the bad coaches that they were, would at least get a bubble NCAA apearance out of this, Smith's Team.
Thats how good this team is ON PAPER.
Only way this team doesnt get to NIT championship, NCAA Tourny, is if because of a LOT of injuries, or injuries to key players, or they DONT PAN OUT FOR SOME STRANGE REASON, or because of COVID
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Well according to a LOT of CREDIBLE EXPERT SOURCES THAT I google searched up, Gueye is 6ft 11.5 inches tall, 7-5 WINGSPAN, 215 pounds, NBA ATHLETICISM, and is KNOWN AND FEARED(AKA players are terrified to play AGAINST him in the HS, PRE COLLEGE RANKS) FOR his DEFENSE.
He is one of the TOP defenders in the nation. Thats one of the reasons he is rated as the #34 player in the ENTIRE NATION AHEAD OF MARJON CHAMP(#40 in Nation)
That is why the NBA, NBA.COM, NBADRAFT.COM, EXPERTS HAVE GUEYE PROJECTED AS THE #8 LOTTERY PICK IN THE 1ST ROUND OF THE 2023 NBA DRAFT.
You dont get projected to be a lottery pick by being a defensive SLOUCH, or not that good at Defense.
Ultimately the goal of recruiting is not to get the players with the most stars, it’s to get the players who can produce the most wins. Coach Smith thus far has done an excellent job of recruiting. It’s now time for the recruiting success to start to really translate to on court success. Up until now Coach Smith has shown an ability to coach teams with less talent to compete with teams with more talent. I would say we now talent wise can compare with most teams in the PAC 12. We all have looked forward to his third year with high hopes and imo we are set to reap the rewards of the last 3 years.
We have lost a few players that played a huge part in this rebuild and as it looks, we are going to loose a few more. I don’t know who it will be but I wish them the best of luck and remember once a Cougar always a cougar and I for one will be rooting for them as long as they aren’t playing WSU🏀😀
We have lost a few players that played a huge part in this rebuild and as it looks, we are going to loose a few more. I don’t know who it will be but I wish them the best of luck and remember once a Cougar always a cougar and I for one will be rooting for them as long as they aren’t playing WSU🏀😀
In an interview Gueye says his defense is underrated. I agree and disagree on Gueye being raw. I think his skillset is actually pretty polished in terms of shooting and ball handling. I think the "raw" part comes from his lack of experience. I do think strength will impact him next year as well but his quickness and athleticism could overcome that to an extent.
Thats why Gueye is rated as the #34 BEST player in the Nation, vs Marjon Champ's #40 ranking, and why NBA.com, NBADRAFT.COM, EXPERTS, Project Gueye as #8 Lottery Pick, in the 1st Round of 2023 NBA Draft, compared to Marjon Champ going about Top of 2nd Round, in the 2023 draft, Projected by the same NBA.com, NBADRAFT.COM, experts.
Something else, in one of his videos, Gueye talked about how he comes from a very good basketball family, and how his brother, and his sister had a LOT of Basketball success. He said he played unofficial, unorganized, playground, recreational, etc, basketball for a number of years, but that even tho he was good at Basketball growing up, he didnt really get into serious, official organized basketball, because he wasnt as interested in basketball at that time, and wanted instead to be a world cup, olympic, national team, soccer player for Senegal, Africa.
So while officially, technically Gueye only had about 2,3,4 years official high level basketball experience, he has unofficially played in PICK UP games against some good basketball players, back in Senegal, Africa.
So he Gueye is not so WET BEHIND THE EARS BASKETBALL WISE AS SOME PEOPLE THINK.
Again you dont get to be the #34 recruit in Nation, and a PROJECTED Lottery Pick, if that was the case.
Give it a rest already!!!!We’re all happy to have him, now how about we let him show us what he can do before we start hyping his NBA future.
He made every shot in his highlight reel yet according to his stats he only made 15 percent from 3 pt land.
He made every shot in his highlight reel yet according to his stats he only made 15 percent from 3 pt land.
Those are what we call projections.. It is a prediction of how well he could be in the future not a statement as to how good he is now. I am rooting for the young man,
Thank you, it is mind boggling how every recruit we have is an NBA prospect and just lifted us to the sweet 16. When we are just reaching the recruiting status of most other colleges we compete against.. WSU has always had to do more with less. It will be wonderful to see what our coaches can do with equal talent. Someone please inform the uniformed that about half the games we play in conference the other team will have as many if not more of these NBA prospects some of us refer to.... I do however think we may have more depth then most.. Is there anyone else concerned about how we keep all of these guys happy?? There are only so many minutes in a game..Depth on any basketball team is a wonderful thing, but college athletes usually want minutes. I am hopeful we don’t have mass exodus after the season or is this just the state of college basketball now and it’s to be expected..??
That was way before the "current" ranking system which is all the reference's they have these days. Yes, Stu was a Parade All-American.
Depth just makes the players better as they compete against each other. It isn't the coaches job to just hand out playing time to make a player happy, the player has to earn minutes. The best programs always have great depth and it works out for them. If a player leaves in the transfer portal for more playing time, the great thing is this staff can recruit well and replace him.
Hey I am not the one who projected him as a LOTTERY PICK. THAT WAS THE NBA, NBA.COM, NBADRAFT.COM, EXPERTS that project him, as #8 Lottery Pick in the 1st round of the 2023 NBA DRAFT.
THE SAME people that project Champ in the 2nd round of 2023 Draft.
The same people who have Mobley of USC going as the 3rd pick of draft
They know more then me, you, and Coug4life, all of us here.
This kid has tremendous upside even still. Look at his feet. They are huge. Proportionally he hasn't grown into them yet.
It's easy to see his muscle still needs to fill out - but the feet tell the tale vertically. Wouldn't surprise me if he had another 2 to 3 inches growth left.
BTW, Stuart House was a First Team Parade All American which would be higher ranked for that era. Some legit basketball names in that class.
Gene Banks, Albert King, Darrell Griffith
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It's easy to see his muscle still needs to fill out - but the feet tell the tale vertically. Wouldn't surprise me if he had another 2 to 3 inches growth left.
BTW, Stuart House was a First Team Parade All American which would be higher ranked for that era. Some legit basketball names in that class.
Gene Banks, Albert King, Darrell Griffith
Parade All-America Boys Basketball Team - Wikipedia
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