Says we are lucky to have which we all know and sees him as a "modern day 5".
Mike Brown on Efe Abogidi in Olympic trials
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Not sure why you think Efe doesn't have a chance to make a NBA roster. Everything I have read here seem to think he has a chance.
You didnt catch my sarcasm. And there are those(1,2,3,4 here) who dont think that Noah, Efe, Dischon, Gueye, are FUTURE POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA PROSPECTS.
I am not one of those. I think that they are FUTURE POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA PROSPECTS.
And I am not the only one.
Noah's Dad, Guy Williams, others thinks that Noah is a Potential future potential NBA Prospect.
Efe, and his EX NBA player, now Efe's Ex Coach at the NBA Global Academy, Olympic coaches, other experts, etc, think that Efe is a Future Potential future NBA Prosoect
Dischon has played against, held his own, done good against the best HS, AAU, College players like the Lottery pick from USC.
And his olympic team coach also thinks he is a Future Potential future NBA Prospect.
Gueye has been projected by NBAdraftroom.com qnd other experts as a FUTURE POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA DRAFT LOTTERY PICK PROSPECT.
And BEFORE Koulibaly got injured, there were many experts saying he was the best player in canadien history, and a 1 and done future potential future NBA prospect.
The funny thing is that out of the above 5 players, I only had Efe, Noah, as NBA Prospects at the beginning. Then as Dischon did what he did, I then thought he was a NBA Prospect too. I didnt think Gueye was a NBA Prospect until after I found out that he was projected as a Lottery pick.
So 1,2 of the players, I didnt think, know if they were NBA Prospects.
The others players I did think were NBA Prospects. And now a lot of people alao think they are NBA Prospects.
Also e en tho they are Future Potential future NBA Prospects ON PAPER, its still theoretically possible for them to not pan out, etc.and so they are not guaranteed NBA players guaranteed.
Also even tho there are 4,5 Future, potential future NBA Prospects ON PAPER, does not mean tbat the will be 4,5 WSU NBA players make it to, be in NBA within 1,2 years, as there would probably only be 1,2 Future potential future NBA Prospects out of the 4,5 NBA Prospects that make the NBA each year. And it might take some of those NBA Prospects, 7 to 13 years to make it to the NBA.
Also not only is there at least 1 who doesnt think EFE is a NBA Prospect, but that person is quite sarcastic about it, and keeps on making comments about how since EFE is a NBA Prospect, that WSU should be winning more then it WSU has won.
So just throwing some sarcasm at that person.
DJ is going to be interesting to watch. His current game doesn’t translate very well to today’s NBA and I’m sure he knows that. I won‘t be surprised if he comes back this year with more range on his jumper assuming he puts the work in. His ceiling is high.
I thought of myself as a future potential NBA draft lottery pick years ago. I just couldn't convince anyone else that I was.
His Defense, and his ability to score on, defend, shut down, block shots, etc, on USC's Lottery Pick, and other similar good players translate quite well to the NBA.
Also he is a 6 ft 11.5 in 215 to 239 pounds. He has NBA athleticism. That, those things also translates to the NBA well.
He also has good hands to receive passes well. He passes well. He has good Hakeem like, Dream Shake like Post moves like up and under, dream shake, jump hook, flip shot, fall away, etc, in the post, and high post. That translates to the NBA well.
He is a good freethrow shooter.
The only weaknesses he has, is doesnt have a mid range jumper and or if does, doesnt make it at a high enough percentage.
He either doesnt or doesnt do it often enough, have the ability to face up, drive.
And he doesnt have a good 3 point shot percentage, altho he does take, and occasionally make the rare 3 point shot.
Those things dont translate well to the NBA.
There is a reason why he had a chance to make the olympic team after his, at the end of his Freshman year.
He almost made the the final cut.
He is easily one of the top 23 to 33 to 43 Best Freshman, Sophmores in College, or else he wouldnt have even had a shot at the olympic team, after, at the end of only his Freshman Season.
That means he is on a NBA esque path of development, being a NBA Prospect.
And he has a LOT of Potential UPSIDE, room for improvement, and the capability, time, etc, to make those improvements.
That also makes him a NBA Prospect.
There is a reason why Dischon Jackson's Olympic Coaches were so high on him.
Olympic Coaches are not that high on non Potential Future Potential Future NBA prospects.
I trust their judgement.
DJ almost made the Olympic team????? Did your imaginary expert tell you that? And if he thinks Koulibay is the best player in Canadian history, where does he put Steve Nash? Facts are not your strong point.
FYI considering you have earlier admitted to listening not watching last years games where did you come up with his NBA athleticism? Because I certainly didn’t see anything close to NBA athleticism. DJ was a solid old school back to the basket big last year. Who knows what next year will bring.
FYI considering you have earlier admitted to listening not watching last years games where did you come up with his NBA athleticism? Because I certainly didn’t see anything close to NBA athleticism. DJ was a solid old school back to the basket big last year. Who knows what next year will bring.
DJ didnt make the final 1,2 cut or cuts to the USA U 19+ Junior olympic national team(NOT the Dream Team Olympic team)(comparable to the USA U 19+ Jr Olympic National Jr World Cup soccer team)(And you missed the point yet again that only the top, best about 50 to 75 College Freshman+ get to try to make that team, and only about 13 to 23 make that team, and DJ finished in the Top 23 to 33 to 43, and just barely didnt make team.
And the coaches of that team think that DJ has NBA athleticism, and can jump out of the gym.and they think that he is a NBA PROSPECT.
And I have seen plenty of WSU games on TV, internet, and seen plenty of highlights, etc, of DJ's play. And he had the NBA athleticism to score on, defend, USC's NBA Lottery pick, who also has NBA athleticism.
As to Koulibaly, in the video that WSU, Koulibaly made that was posted, linked here at Wazzu Watch, it was Koulibaly who said that people were calling him q 1 and Done and either the best, or 1 of the best players in Canadien History, BEFORE he got INJURED.
Also I had seen, read a couple, few, some experts, recruit ranking services, that said the same as Koulibaly said in the video, that he was being called a 1 and done, and either the best, or 1 of the best in Canadien History.
And just so you know, Steve Nash was a great College player, and a great NBA player, but in HIGHSCHOOL, he Steve Nash was NOT the best or even one of the best HIGH SCHOOL players in Canadien History.
Steve Nash was good enough to goto college qnd DEVELOP, and then good enough in College to goto NBA and DEVELOP in the NBA into the best PURE PASSER in NBA history.
Steve Nash was the best passer, thats why he was great. But he wasnt quick, fast, athletic, didnt jump high, didnt beat defenders of dribble, didnt drive. All he did was PASS and SHOOT, and SCRAP, and HUSTLE, and REBOUND, and used superior smarts, positioning, and technique, to defend, keep players in front of him, and make the perfect passes to set up other players to score.
Steve Nash is the ultimate Lunch pail, scrapper, hustler, etc type of player. And he was so good at that, that it got him to the NBA, qnd made him a great player.
And in a interview of Steve Nash that I watched, he said that he didnt think he would make the NBA, get drafted, because he didnt have tbe production, stats, abilities, skills, athleticism, etc, that a lot of players had ever him, and that he was lucky he was given a chance to scrap, fight, hustle, develop in college and in the NBA.
Steve Nash was Not even 1 of the best HIGH SCHOOL players in Canadien history, stats, production, ability, athleticism wise.
Koulibaly's CANADIEN HIGH SCHOOL stats, results, production, ability, athleticism, speed, quickness, jumping ability, etc, were a lot better then Steve NASH.
And if one were to use a time machine to make it possible for a HIGHSCHOOL Koulibaly, to play a HIGH SCHOOL Steve Nash, at the SAME HIGHSCHOOL GRADE LEVEL, AGE, ETC, Koulibaly would have OWNED, DESTROYED Steve Nash.
The only advantage Steve Nash would have had is he would have been a Harder Worker, more Will Power, Will to Win, Scrapper, Fighter, Hustler, passer, shooter, then Koulibaly.
Koulibaly was considered a 1 and Done NBA Prospect, BEFORE his injury. Steve Nash was NEVER considered a 1 and Done NBA Prospect.
Koulibaly BEFORE his INJURY was considered either the Best or 1 of the best Canadien HIGHSCHOOL BBALL PLAYERS in ALL OF CANADIEN HISTORY.
Steve Nash was not considered such until he became a NBA great.
I'm very pleased that Koulibaly is a Cougar and was excited that he signed his LOI with WSU. However, I never read or heard anyone claim that he would be a one-and-done, or that he was one of the greatest players in Canadian history. 247 Sports had him listed as a 3-star player with recruiting interest from Maryland, Clemson, Missouri State, and Holy Cross (along with WSU). Verbal Commits (another recruiting website) had him listed as a 2-star. His only other actual scholarship offers came from Missouri State and Holy Cross– hardly top tier basketball programs. Maryland is a top-tier, but they ultimately didn't offer him a scholarship. You would think a one-and-done/one of the greatest players in Canadian history would have had more & better offers. What I did find was a comment from Theo Lawson @ Spokesman Review that Koulibaly was considered a top-10 player in Canada for that year (his senior season in HS)...but nothing written about him being one of the best in history of that country. I challenge anyone to link to any actual statement that Koulibaly was considered a one-and-done or one of the greats in Canadian history. If such a statement was made, it's almost certainly still out there on the internet or some other documented source. I certainly can't find it.
And for the record.....Koulibaly did not sustain the injury until after he committed to WSU, so that should not have affected his recruiting interest coming out of high school.
Jefferson Koulibaly is a perfect type of recruit for WSU and would be a very good recruit for a lot of schools. I have great hopes that he will have an excellent Cougar career. In my opinion, there's no need to overhype or fictionalize his past.
Glad Cougar
And for the record.....Koulibaly did not sustain the injury until after he committed to WSU, so that should not have affected his recruiting interest coming out of high school.
Jefferson Koulibaly is a perfect type of recruit for WSU and would be a very good recruit for a lot of schools. I have great hopes that he will have an excellent Cougar career. In my opinion, there's no need to overhype or fictionalize his past.
Glad Cougar
The only person I ever heard about Koulibaly being one-and-done was Koulibaly himself in the video that came out recently. Personally I don't believe that was ever a real possibility but what do I know? However, he's getting some Internet hype in terms of immediate impact so I'm hoping that's the case.
I"m going to use Efe to make my point about Koulibaly.
Efe at the age 15 did a behind the freethrow line Jordan, Brent Barry Dunk, that got on video that went VIRAL, and got posted on the NBA"s official website Front page HYPING him.
Then he started Dominating at NBA Global Academy, with a ex NBA player that coached the NBA Global Academy, and Efe.
He was going to be fastracked to the G League. His only weakness was he was semi raw, semi undeveloped.
Then Efe suffered a extreme injury, that took him 2 years to recover.
Despite the injury, his ex NBA player coach, said before and after the injury that Efe was a NBA Prospect.
Other coaches, experts said the same.
Now question, considering all the above, why was Efe a 3 star to some, 3.5 star to others, and only a 4 star to 1,2,3, couple, few?
I mean if I was in charge, I would have rated Efe a 4 star to 5 star, certainly not only a 3 star.
Efe had a 4 star, 5 star BASKETBALL RESUME, Talent, Athleticism.
Yes the injury had something to do with that. But even with that He still should have been at least a 4 star.
So why?
BECAUSE THEY MADE A MISTAKE.
Recruit ranking services arent always perfect. They do make mistakes. Often they downgrade because of injuries, or a late bloomer.
As to why Koulibaly was only ranked 2.5 stars by some, 3 stars by others, 3.5 stars by others is beyond me.
Koulibaly was a STAT MACHINE, who had the BEST STATS IN ALL OF CANADA at the HS, AAU level, that year, and were some of the better, best STATS in all of Canadien History.
Certainly one could debate, argue that at least STAT wise, he was one of the best in Canadien History.
Then there were videos of his play. Then there was his amazing speed, quickness, athleticism, his shiftyness, his ability to juke, bteak ankles, his LATERAL quickness, his jumping ability.
He wasnt just a STAT MACHINE. he had the College level, maybe borderline NBA prospect level talent, skill, athleticism to back those, to go with those STATS.
Yes, there were some that called him about a top 5 to top 10 to top 15 player, in Canada. But there were also those that said he was the best canadien player that year, and others that said he was one of the best in Canadien History. And some said according to what Koulibaly said, and other things that I have seen, read, that he was supposedly a 1 and done NBA Prospect.
As to why you havent seen, found that, those things I dont know.
But take the video that Save Ferris posted where Koulibaly said that people, experts, coaches, players, etc, were calling him a 1 and Done NBA Prospect.
If you did a google search typing in something like "Did anybody ever call Koulibaly a 1 and Done", the video that Save Ferris Posted, wouldnt have come up.
And thats because the MAIN OFFICIAL recruit ranking sources like 247, Rivals, did NOT say any such thing.
The only people, recruit rankers, pundits, experts, etc, that said such things are Koulibaly, NON rivals, Non 247 people, pundits, experts, rankers, etc, that have made videos, TWEETS, etc.
There is a lot said on Twitter, that wont show up in a Google search, unless maybe you do the right, perfect google search.
I have in videos, twitter tweets, etc, seen,read either people directly saying that Koulibaly was a 1 and Done, etc, an or that people have said, backed up Koulibaly claim that Koulibaly was supposedly a 1 and Done, etc.
I see, read a lot of these kind of things. I dont stop, think "I better save this, because if I dont I wont be able to prove this".
I see what I see, read. And just because you havent seen, read it, found it, doesnt mean that it doesnt exist, or that I supposedly wrong.
If Save Ferris hadnt re posted that vid, there would have been no way to prove what I said.
But thats not the main point. There were sources that said that Koulibaly was a 1 and Done, the best in Canada that year, one of the best in Canadien History, etc.
Now maybe they are credible, maybe arent. Maybe they just caught up in Hype.
But whether thats the case or not its obvious that Koulibaly is, was, is at least a 4 star, like a 1,2,3, couple, few of the pundits, experts, sources that I have seen, read, say, that are NOT Rivals/247/ESPN, etc.
So the official sources like Rivals, 247, ESPN got it, Koulibaly's ranking WRONG, that he is at least a 4 star, not a 3 star.
So what happened? Why did they errantly only give Koulibaly 3 stars?
Perhaps lack of exposure. Perhaps he was a LATE BLOOMER, and put out their 3 star ranking of him, before he TOOK, WENT OFF, and got called a 1 and Done by people, fans, coaches, pundits, experts, scouts, etc. Perhaps he had a injury before the injury he got at WSU.
Whatever the reason. Its obvious that the unofficial sources, got it right that Koulibaly is a 4 star, etc, and that the official sources like Rivals, 247, etc, their 3 star ranking is wrong.
Efe at the age 15 did a behind the freethrow line Jordan, Brent Barry Dunk, that got on video that went VIRAL, and got posted on the NBA"s official website Front page HYPING him.
Then he started Dominating at NBA Global Academy, with a ex NBA player that coached the NBA Global Academy, and Efe.
He was going to be fastracked to the G League. His only weakness was he was semi raw, semi undeveloped.
Then Efe suffered a extreme injury, that took him 2 years to recover.
Despite the injury, his ex NBA player coach, said before and after the injury that Efe was a NBA Prospect.
Other coaches, experts said the same.
Now question, considering all the above, why was Efe a 3 star to some, 3.5 star to others, and only a 4 star to 1,2,3, couple, few?
I mean if I was in charge, I would have rated Efe a 4 star to 5 star, certainly not only a 3 star.
Efe had a 4 star, 5 star BASKETBALL RESUME, Talent, Athleticism.
Yes the injury had something to do with that. But even with that He still should have been at least a 4 star.
So why?
BECAUSE THEY MADE A MISTAKE.
Recruit ranking services arent always perfect. They do make mistakes. Often they downgrade because of injuries, or a late bloomer.
As to why Koulibaly was only ranked 2.5 stars by some, 3 stars by others, 3.5 stars by others is beyond me.
Koulibaly was a STAT MACHINE, who had the BEST STATS IN ALL OF CANADA at the HS, AAU level, that year, and were some of the better, best STATS in all of Canadien History.
Certainly one could debate, argue that at least STAT wise, he was one of the best in Canadien History.
Then there were videos of his play. Then there was his amazing speed, quickness, athleticism, his shiftyness, his ability to juke, bteak ankles, his LATERAL quickness, his jumping ability.
He wasnt just a STAT MACHINE. he had the College level, maybe borderline NBA prospect level talent, skill, athleticism to back those, to go with those STATS.
Yes, there were some that called him about a top 5 to top 10 to top 15 player, in Canada. But there were also those that said he was the best canadien player that year, and others that said he was one of the best in Canadien History. And some said according to what Koulibaly said, and other things that I have seen, read, that he was supposedly a 1 and done NBA Prospect.
As to why you havent seen, found that, those things I dont know.
But take the video that Save Ferris posted where Koulibaly said that people, experts, coaches, players, etc, were calling him a 1 and Done NBA Prospect.
If you did a google search typing in something like "Did anybody ever call Koulibaly a 1 and Done", the video that Save Ferris Posted, wouldnt have come up.
And thats because the MAIN OFFICIAL recruit ranking sources like 247, Rivals, did NOT say any such thing.
The only people, recruit rankers, pundits, experts, etc, that said such things are Koulibaly, NON rivals, Non 247 people, pundits, experts, rankers, etc, that have made videos, TWEETS, etc.
There is a lot said on Twitter, that wont show up in a Google search, unless maybe you do the right, perfect google search.
I have in videos, twitter tweets, etc, seen,read either people directly saying that Koulibaly was a 1 and Done, etc, an or that people have said, backed up Koulibaly claim that Koulibaly was supposedly a 1 and Done, etc.
I see, read a lot of these kind of things. I dont stop, think "I better save this, because if I dont I wont be able to prove this".
I see what I see, read. And just because you havent seen, read it, found it, doesnt mean that it doesnt exist, or that I supposedly wrong.
If Save Ferris hadnt re posted that vid, there would have been no way to prove what I said.
But thats not the main point. There were sources that said that Koulibaly was a 1 and Done, the best in Canada that year, one of the best in Canadien History, etc.
Now maybe they are credible, maybe arent. Maybe they just caught up in Hype.
But whether thats the case or not its obvious that Koulibaly is, was, is at least a 4 star, like a 1,2,3, couple, few of the pundits, experts, sources that I have seen, read, say, that are NOT Rivals/247/ESPN, etc.
So the official sources like Rivals, 247, ESPN got it, Koulibaly's ranking WRONG, that he is at least a 4 star, not a 3 star.
So what happened? Why did they errantly only give Koulibaly 3 stars?
Perhaps lack of exposure. Perhaps he was a LATE BLOOMER, and put out their 3 star ranking of him, before he TOOK, WENT OFF, and got called a 1 and Done by people, fans, coaches, pundits, experts, scouts, etc. Perhaps he had a injury before the injury he got at WSU.
Whatever the reason. Its obvious that the unofficial sources, got it right that Koulibaly is a 4 star, etc, and that the official sources like Rivals, 247, etc, their 3 star ranking is wrong.
Just to put this stupid argument to rest. Koulibay is not and never has been considered the best Canadian basketball player ever and I can’t see the future but I would bet the house he never will be. Hell he isn’t even the best Canadian out of his class in the PAC 12 at this point. ( See Arizona roster)
Now getting back to the original clip above, the most promising comments from coach Brown on Efe is he likes his instincts and footwork both of which needed work imo. He improved both during the season and hopefully this is an indication that improvement has continued!
Now getting back to the original clip above, the most promising comments from coach Brown on Efe is he likes his instincts and footwork both of which needed work imo. He improved both during the season and hopefully this is an indication that improvement has continued!
Along with those things Efe needs minutes backed up with coaching followed by more minutes. There were times when he needed to be able to react and you could see him processing what to do and invariably a mistake of some kind would follow because the game was a bit too quick at this point. I think that was one of the big differences between him and Jackson last year. Jackson had more answers based on the fundamentals he built on the high school level.
That experience piece is probably one of the biggest thing he missed during the 2 year layoff due to injury. Getting healthy was obviously most important. The experience will come in time and I have no doubt Efe will get there. It's just a matter of time.
Koulibaly was one of the best in Canadian history but with the exchange rate being what is has been for the last couple years, he's only at .75 or .80 of cheesehead players of the past.
Thats fair about Efe. He does need experience, development to be, become a NBA Prospect, make the NBA.
A good and bad comparison is James Donaldson.
James Donaldson way more raw, undeveloped then efe. And other posters here said James looked HORRIBLE out there.
But despite that, James Donaldson still made the NBA, and had a 5 to 10 year, semi good NBA Career.
Efe is like James Donaldson in a way. He was better then Donaldson was at the same stage, as Freshman. He is, was way more athletic, stronger, and had, has more potential, upside then Donaldson had.
And he can dribble, receive, make passes, can shoot 3 balls with a just barely ok percentage, better shooter, more skilled, has more abilities then James Donaldson.
If James Donaldson went to NBA, Efe will make it to NBA, he just has some work to do first, that has to be done in order to make the NBA, and he is probably capable of doing that work, and developing, getting better, enough to make the NBA.
A good and bad comparison is James Donaldson.
James Donaldson way more raw, undeveloped then efe. And other posters here said James looked HORRIBLE out there.
But despite that, James Donaldson still made the NBA, and had a 5 to 10 year, semi good NBA Career.
Efe is like James Donaldson in a way. He was better then Donaldson was at the same stage, as Freshman. He is, was way more athletic, stronger, and had, has more potential, upside then Donaldson had.
And he can dribble, receive, make passes, can shoot 3 balls with a just barely ok percentage, better shooter, more skilled, has more abilities then James Donaldson.
If James Donaldson went to NBA, Efe will make it to NBA, he just has some work to do first, that has to be done in order to make the NBA, and he is probably capable of doing that work, and developing, getting better, enough to make the NBA.
Usually you dont get 1 and done buzz in Canada, or be a literal 1 and Done that either makes NBA, and or gets drafted 1st, 2nd round, an or is a lottery pick, and most 1 and dones, are Lottery Picks, an or go in 1st round of draft, most of those that either get 1 and Done buzz, an or literally 1 and dones in Canada are either the best, or one of the best Canadien Highschool, Canadien AAU players in all of Canadas History, and if not considered that, at least have either the BEST, or 1 of the best, better highschool, AAU STATS in all of Canadien History.
So it stands to reason, that since he was getting 1 and Done Buzz, that the sources I saw, read, are right that he was one of the best in his class, an or one of the best in Canadien History,
You again missed the larger valid point.
I gave a range for James Donaldson because he had ABOUT a 5 to 10 year career, and because other posters here said similar, same things, and because 10 is pretty close or close enough to 14.
Also the exact number of years is not that important, as James jad a LONG, LONG ENOUGH NBA CAREER, because whether 10 years or 14, both are LONG enough.
Also 7-2 of James is close enough to Efe's 6-10.5, and ABOUT 7-2.5 WINGSPAN.
And others here like Hoopscoug and others, have said that James Donaldson was about a 7 footer that was GANGLY, A STICK FIGURE, AT FIRST, and didnt pack on the weight until ABOUT his Junior, Senior year/NBA.
They said he was extremely RAW, undeveloped, ugly, and that he tripped over, fell over himself, and that he was so clumsy, etc, he couldnt even run the court.
Now that might probably be exxaggerated, by them, but the bigger point is that James Donaldson is a GOOD comparison in some to a lot of ways, and as I said a bad comparision in some ways.
But overral a good comparision, becauae James Donaldson was the last person they woukd have exlected to make the NBA, and James, Efe in about some to a lot of ways are about semi similar, or similar enough, and that Efe is, was better then James was aa a College freshman, and more athletic, skilled, etc, and that since James made the NBA, Efe should make the NBA, be a NBA Prospect, if he does the things he needs to do, just like James did the things he needed to do.
But keep on missing the larger point.
Please forgive me MIK and in no way is this a personal attack, but I think you are missing the latter point. The truth is that you are constantly misrepresenting stats, overhyping guys, and taking your own personal liberties with information that is simply not true.. I personally like your passion and willingness to spend the time you do to validate your thoughts. I just wish you realized that no one will attack you for your opinions, but when you present things as facts or sensationalize things that are easily debunked it becomes tuff to not reply and call you on it..
Just my 2 cents… good day!
