Most disturbing part of Hobert leaving
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I am sure there was a lack of awareness. But, I do not put that on the staff. When people leave their job for another job, seldom does the employer know before they announce.
The leadership team is as voted on by other players. Not much the staff can do.
I believe he’s Mormon maybe BYU is his stop or Dixie state because I saw Stuzmann offered him
Where do you see that? I use 247 and he’s still not showing in their portal section.
With any change in regime there will be turnover, particularly now with the portal. However, the concern isn't about loss of production or lack thereof, it is about atmosphere and locker room climate. You have to be concerned when a kid like Hobert leaves because, isn't he the type of kid you'd peg as a mini Dickert, hard working, over achiever. If he is leaving, you have to wonder what the climate really is. As fans we just don't know. Dickert talks a great game and appears to be a well intentioned "players" coach in public, but what is he like when the cameras are off.
He is so young, I fear he thinks he has all the answers, like young men tend to be. Don't you need a few grey hairs, have your arse handed to you a couple times, before you realize how little you truly know? Wasn't Wulff's biggest flaw that he was convinced of his own "greatness." Dickert is even younger than Wulff, when he took over. For every Dabo Swinney aren't there 3 Lane Kiffins at USC?
We will find out next season. We know how teams perform when the climate has become really toxic, you lose to Cal 66-3 straight out of the box.
He is so young, I fear he thinks he has all the answers, like young men tend to be. Don't you need a few grey hairs, have your arse handed to you a couple times, before you realize how little you truly know? Wasn't Wulff's biggest flaw that he was convinced of his own "greatness." Dickert is even younger than Wulff, when he took over. For every Dabo Swinney aren't there 3 Lane Kiffins at USC?
We will find out next season. We know how teams perform when the climate has become really toxic, you lose to Cal 66-3 straight out of the box.
So true. The words of a man with a few years under his belt. But all of us as fans often forget that these are young men 18-22 years of age who, admittedly, aren't as mature as their counterparts 20-30 years ago. Who of us really knows what their motivating factors are and what's going on in their heads?
But yes, a kid like Hobert entering the portal this late in the game is concerning.
Yes and no re: age & accumulated wisdom as an organizational leader.
Yes, by now I've seen several folks leave their job (including a few that worked for me) who surprised me by doing so. Mostly, that is on them. Sometimes they had some unhappiness with their situation, but more often it was someone else dangling a carrot. Usually not a realistic carrot, as it happens, but a desirable looking carrot none the less, and a carrot that they understood would not be available with us. Just as a thought, what if someone that he found to be credible told Hobert he would be the locked down starter someplace? He probably realizes that would not be the case at WSU, and that reflects in no way on WSU as a place to play...but someone would have promised him a better situation. Would that carrot actually materialize? Young men are not the best at evaluating that sort of promise.
No, a young staff is not necessarily at a big disadvantage over an older staff re: players leaving. My experience has been that young men will extend a great deal of credence to someone who they perceive to be sincere. Dickert comes off as being sincere; I've never seen or heard anything that would counter that impression. Sincerity is probably easier to carry off when younger; certainly being younger is not a barrier to being perceived as being sincere if it is from the heart.
Just my $0.02, but my read on Dickert is that he decided that he needed to be very frank and up front with his players. That means that some of them were told some hard truths that they did not want to hear. That approach is best for the long term, but it can hurt in the short term. That is part of SoCal's comment about turnover with any regime change. I suspect that Dickert's turnover might be a bit greater than most, and part of that can be attributed to his choosing not to sugar coat his conversations with the players. He seems to be an "it is yours if and only if you earn it" sort of HC. Morris also seems to be cut from that cloth. Again, in the long term that is better, but in the short term there are likely to be some shocked kids. FWIW, Rolo did not come off that way to me, so it is likely to be an abrupt change for some kids.
Yes, by now I've seen several folks leave their job (including a few that worked for me) who surprised me by doing so. Mostly, that is on them. Sometimes they had some unhappiness with their situation, but more often it was someone else dangling a carrot. Usually not a realistic carrot, as it happens, but a desirable looking carrot none the less, and a carrot that they understood would not be available with us. Just as a thought, what if someone that he found to be credible told Hobert he would be the locked down starter someplace? He probably realizes that would not be the case at WSU, and that reflects in no way on WSU as a place to play...but someone would have promised him a better situation. Would that carrot actually materialize? Young men are not the best at evaluating that sort of promise.
No, a young staff is not necessarily at a big disadvantage over an older staff re: players leaving. My experience has been that young men will extend a great deal of credence to someone who they perceive to be sincere. Dickert comes off as being sincere; I've never seen or heard anything that would counter that impression. Sincerity is probably easier to carry off when younger; certainly being younger is not a barrier to being perceived as being sincere if it is from the heart.
Just my $0.02, but my read on Dickert is that he decided that he needed to be very frank and up front with his players. That means that some of them were told some hard truths that they did not want to hear. That approach is best for the long term, but it can hurt in the short term. That is part of SoCal's comment about turnover with any regime change. I suspect that Dickert's turnover might be a bit greater than most, and part of that can be attributed to his choosing not to sugar coat his conversations with the players. He seems to be an "it is yours if and only if you earn it" sort of HC. Morris also seems to be cut from that cloth. Again, in the long term that is better, but in the short term there are likely to be some shocked kids. FWIW, Rolo did not come off that way to me, so it is likely to be an abrupt change for some kids.
Im tired of seeing these thank you twitter posts. It isn't an awards show. You aren’t getting an Oscar.
If you wanna go somewhere else, fine. Do you. But the twitter posts thanking everyone for all the love and support, which clearly wasn’t enough to make you wanna stay, just get on. Enough of the production. And then posting how awesome it is to get an offer from Dixie State??? lol That’s the penthouse to the outhouse buddy. You must really think less of WSU to think that’s an awesome destination.
Go ahead and hate me. No one spares my feelings. Idgaf about yours either.
If you wanna go somewhere else, fine. Do you. But the twitter posts thanking everyone for all the love and support, which clearly wasn’t enough to make you wanna stay, just get on. Enough of the production. And then posting how awesome it is to get an offer from Dixie State??? lol That’s the penthouse to the outhouse buddy. You must really think less of WSU to think that’s an awesome destination.
Go ahead and hate me. No one spares my feelings. Idgaf about yours either.
You’re making an awful lot of assumptions.
It’s just as plausible that he made a NIL deal with the St. George Chevy dealer.
If you mean "speculation," regarding which my post is rife, when you say "assumptions" you are 100% correct, because I don't have a clue what the hell is going on in the program, any more than you do. My post is one huge "speculative" piece. My ultimate conclusion was we must "wait and see" if the program is on the right track or not. If you really meant assumption, what did I assume exactly, because I made no predictions whatsoever?
Clearly they're also the same edit. Who is making these??
I wouldn't even be public about my offers if I was being recruited now. Only thing I would publicly show is any UW offer I would light on fire, regardless where else I ended up.
They scream of insecurity and the need for online validation
Agree 100%, rather than blowing smoke up our A$$, tell us why you are really leaving without trashing WSU or coaches on your way out. I think I’d respect the honesty, Playing time, closer to home, personal family reasons, whatever.
Nearly every one of these types of posts always includes the transitional phrase, "With that being said.....", which makes me think there's some kind of portal announcement template out there somewhere on the internet being provided to these unhappy campers. Something that's as easy as "fill in the blanks" & "insert your school here."
It's tiresome and also feels somewhat insincere.
Glad Cougar
It comes off as more advertising campaign and announcement to be recruited than it is sincere thank you for the time, energy and emotion invested in me.
This. Generically speaking, quitting is a douche act, and the current wisdom seems to be that you can avoid some of the douche splatter if you tweet your thanks for your wonderful time with the old team as you try to land with a new team. As for the announcement itself, it has reached the "cut and paste" stage, with "that being said" and school names sort of a "fill in the blank" operation, as suggested by others in this thread.
I dont have a prob with kids leaving. It’s the fake as hell twitter posts that come off bad.
"PLEASE RESPECT MY DECISION!!!!!!" Bring back the Notes app...
When a lot of these kids hit their post collegiate career, they're going to realize fast that they're not "that" important to the rest of the world.
So sick of this type of comment. Kids have always been dumb and impetuous. "Mature" isn't a word that has ever been appropriate for 18-22 year old kids. I was flipping through HBO Max last night and found the movie "Pump up the Volume" and watched a few minutes of it. That movie came out when I was 20 years old and featured Christian Slater as "Happy Harry Hard On" with a big part of his show showing him faking masturbation as high humor. People need to quit pretending that people used to be more responsible and mature. We were all idiots when we were younger and it's no different today.
I was commenting on "these are young men 18-22 years of age who, admittedly, aren't as mature as their counterparts 20-30 years ago". If anything, kids today are far more sophisticated and mature than we were 20, 30 or even 40 years ago. Gotta remember that movies like Porky's were considered classics back in the day. Kids today are still idiots, just like we were, but the notion that older generations were more mature, responsible, or whatever other delusion that people want to promote is not a reflection of reality.
I was talking to a co-worker who said that when he was in college 20 years ago, it was common for guys to hang out in the bar district to try and pick up drunk chicks as they were leaving at last call and essentially raping them because the girls were too drunk to even know who they were with. I never did that.....but I saw a few instances of "dude, that chick is so wasted!" to know that Pullman wasn't immune to that. The notion that "kids today" make worse decisions and are more selfish and clueless is a played out trope.
So true. My stepdaughter graduated with a English Lit degree from UCSB 6 years ago. She was on the stage during the ceremonies and received an award for outstanding essay. She literally thought that was the pinnacle of her life and didn't view it as a springboard to greater things. Since then said stepdaughter has floundered as she's got a taste of Realsville the last 5 years. She no longer has English professors, raving about her writing skills and doesn't like the idea of competing outside the classroom. Actually sad to watch it all unfold.
I would argue kids today are more sophisticated than prior generations but that sophistication masks the reality that they are no more mature than older generations.
I guess it all depends on ones definition of maturity and how you measure it. If you measure it against what kind of movies are being made during a certain time period then yes, an argument can be made that the maturity levels haven't changed, maybe even increased, over the years.
If you measure it by work ethic and a belief that you have to bust your ass to be successful in whatever profession you persue then no, the current crop of 18-22 year olds is not as mature as the previous generation.
If you measure it by work ethic and a belief that you have to bust your ass to be successful in whatever profession you persue then no, the current crop of 18-22 year olds is not as mature as the previous generation.
Yes and no. and I base this on quite a few years coaching that age group. The same generally holds true for academic pursuits or music or whatever.
Kids are willing to work hard. As it relates to athletics, the amount of time and energy they put into training is ridiculous. Back in the day, I'd go hoist up a boatload of shots, get my 100 free throws in and call it good. These guys are crazy into speed and strength training AND also get their shots up. But it all has to be structured and laid out for them in a nice package.
The problem is that numbers haven't changed relative to 50 years ago -there's only so many schollie spots out there. And it further gets exacerbated by parents and hanger ons who fuel the expectation beast by tossing in $$$ and travel time and such. Nobody ever tells the kid, "Hey, you're 5"3", your best case scenario is practice guy on the high school team, if that". And that's ok to be practice guy on the high school team just don't fill the kid's head that he's anything but.
It's worse with the more skilled athletes - they all see themselves as NFL or NBA players. And, most certainly, they all think they are D-1 caliber because they played against Anton Watson or Tanner Groves in 6th grade.
There needs to be more truth tellers out there because this generation hasn't been trained to handle criticism, correction and coaching. And, the crazy thing is, when you're straight with kids, they already know where they stand in the pecking order and have to navigate back through their parents/hanger-ons and convince them THEY are the ones who are wrong.
Mike Leach for all his quirks and lack of sensitivity pretty well had this nailed. Could have used work on his delivery but I'd find it hard to believe every kid didn't know exactly what he needed to do to get better and earn their keep.
This, or at least mostly this. Yes, definition is important. Also important is the frame of reference that the kids have. I'd argue that the expectations that the vast majority of college aged kids of today were raised with are not the same as those from 40 years ago. That should come as no surprise, since reality is different today in many ways than it was then. It is hard to compare something like "maturity" between two cohorts of people spaced 40 years apart, when their environments were so much different. In general, people adapt to their environment. The expectation 40 years ago was that you had to get a job out of school to support yourself and probably you would be married within a relatively short period of time, with all that goes with that. I'd argue that is no longer the foregone conclusion that it once was, and that is not a function of maturity, but rather reality. As 79 suggests, if we define maturity to include all that, then yes the kids are less mature. But if we try to parse out how much is maturity vs. how much is a different environment, I think the maturity situation is not that much different than it ever was. The kids will do what they think they have to do.
The days of kids sitting and waiting their turn are over. I think some schools may have a hard time holding onto their high school classes. Some schools may see half their high school class leave as soon as two years later.
Kids today expect to play. I can’t blame them. You only get 4 years. Get in where you fit in. Just be honest about it.
It is tough to be a development school when:
A) Kids won’t stay long enough to develop.
or
B) Kids do develop and leave for NIL $$$ they cannot get at their current school.
For a lot of schools this could be team building with a focus on 1-2 years at a time.
Kids today expect to play. I can’t blame them. You only get 4 years. Get in where you fit in. Just be honest about it.
It is tough to be a development school when:
A) Kids won’t stay long enough to develop.
or
B) Kids do develop and leave for NIL $$$ they cannot get at their current school.
For a lot of schools this could be team building with a focus on 1-2 years at a time.
I've been lucky to have a pair of exceptional kids. Both worked in high school, both were good students. My son, at 22 years old, is married, has a good aerospace engineering job and just bought a house. My daughter was the top student in her class at one of the best high schools in the state and is getting a chemical engineering degree at Colorado School of Mines. My son is definitely more of a slacker than my daughter, but he puts in the time when he needs to. Maybe they've skewed my perspective on "kids these days", but they and their friends are definitely higher performers and more mature than the people I went to high school with.
That may be a low bar, of course. Too many people think that driving a stick shift or changing your own oil is some measure of a person when it's really irrelevant. 100 years ago, you had to handcrank an engine and you don't see any 40 year olds thinking that should be the normal way to start a car. You can cherry pick ways that kids today "have it easy" or "lack respect", but my half a hundred years on this planet have shown me that kids of each generation are the same as the kids in the prior generation at a fundamental level.
