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Looks like we're being slotted for the Radical Leftist LA bowl at SOFI this year.

Not only do I abhor the cow-towing namesake of the bowl (although that was not always the case), I can't say that I'm super excited to see this team get beaten again this season. Probably the aftertaste of yet another AC loss, but the mercurial offense with the suddendly absent defense isn't giving me a ton of hope for an 8 win season. SI has Boise State as our projected opponent.

All that being said, SOFI looks to be an incredible venue. Has anyone been?
 
Let's look at if from the bright side, It's in LA, so it's easy to get to, and it's at a beautiful stadium, weekend before Christmas, so it doesn't mess up your Holiday travel plans, and we keep the bowl streak alive. And you can get a round trip ticket for about $350,if you saved your companion fare you can fly two people for under $500. You can get a decent hotel room for under $150 a night.

As for the political views, I just try to focus on Football. Should be a challenging opponent, BSU or Fresno will be a tough game, a chance for improvement and a recruiting opportunity. The Cougs finished as the last eligible bowl team in the conference, and they don't deserve to be any higher. Had they finished off Oregon and Defeated a beatable Utah team, we'd be having a different conversation. There are 6 teams in the conference that proved through the course of the season that they are better. It is what it is, want a better bowl, win more games.
 
Let's look at if from the bright side, It's in LA, so it's easy to get to, and it's at a beautiful stadium, weekend before Christmas, so it doesn't mess up your Holiday travel plans, and we keep the bowl streak alive. And you can get a round trip ticket for about $350,if you saved your companion fare you can fly two people for under $500. You can get a decent hotel room for under $150 a night.

As for the political views, I just try to focus on Football. Should be a challenging opponent, BSU or Fresno will be a tough game, a chance for improvement and a recruiting opportunity. The Cougs finished as the last eligible bowl team in the conference, and they don't deserve to be any higher. Had they finished off Oregon and Defeated a beatable Utah team, we'd be having a different conversation. There are 6 teams in the conference that proved through the course of the season that they are better. It is what it is, want a better bowl, win more games.
Yeah, but I bitch about the Sun and Alamo bowl too for various reasons. Guess I'm just an ingrate.

As for Oregon and Utah, I think Denny Greene would like to chime in here on the Cougs.

I guess on the bright side, we beat the teams we were supposed to beat and finished higher than most predicted.
 
Looks like we're being slotted for the Radical Leftist LA bowl at SOFI this year.

Not only do I abhor the cow-towing namesake of the bowl (although that was not always the case), I can't say that I'm super excited to see this team get beaten again this season. Probably the aftertaste of yet another AC loss, but the mercurial offense with the suddendly absent defense isn't giving me a ton of hope for an 8 win season. SI has Boise State as our projected opponent.

All that being said, SOFI looks to be an incredible venue. Has anyone been?
Holy crap dude - go touch grass. Get off the internet for a while.
 
Let's look at if from the bright side, It's in LA, so it's easy to get to, and it's at a beautiful stadium, weekend before Christmas, so it doesn't mess up your Holiday travel plans, and we keep the bowl streak alive. And you can get a round trip ticket for about $350,if you saved your companion fare you can fly two people for under $500. You can get a decent hotel room for under $150 a night.

As for the political views, I just try to focus on Football. Should be a challenging opponent, BSU or Fresno will be a tough game, a chance for improvement and a recruiting opportunity. The Cougs finished as the last eligible bowl team in the conference, and they don't deserve to be any higher. Had they finished off Oregon and Defeated a beatable Utah team, we'd be having a different conversation. There are 6 teams in the conference that proved through the course of the season that they are better. It is what it is, want a better bowl, win more games.
Look at the politics from a glass half full position. There are more conservatives in California than Idaho, Utah and the dirty South combined.
 
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Holy crap dude - go touch grass. Get off the internet for a while.
 
Wife was just at SoFi; said it was incredible from a 'scale' standpoint (even if it fails in a functional/utilitarian sense) so definitely a bucket list visit.

WRT the bowl game, most of us were around to see some great years with Price and Leach. There is this desire to always be building momentum, so any squad failing to meet/exceed those teams is viewed with frustration. But especially as it pertains to our conference performance, we finished middle of the pack. Every WSU conference win meant a conference loss for another P12 team. When you look at the teams at the top, do we really think we *deserved* to be there? Do we have perennially elite recruiting and facilities and program prestige that were held back by coaching? No way, we're in the basement on all of those. You expect Oregon, USC and UW (maybe Utah now) to be up near the top; nobody sees WSU finishing in the middle and going bowling and says, "wow I'm surprised they did that badly." Only WSU fans think they should be Top 2 in division every year; rest of the division thinks we should be Bottom 2.

I'm not against having high expectations, but IMO a 7-8 win season for the Cougs this year is overperforming, even if - with our inferior recruiting/coaching/facilities/prestige - I feel we were so close to 9-10.
 
Wife was just at SoFi; said it was incredible from a 'scale' standpoint (even if it fails in a functional/utilitarian sense) so definitely a bucket list visit.

WRT the bowl game, most of us were around to see some great years with Price and Leach. There is this desire to always be building momentum, so any squad failing to meet/exceed those teams is viewed with frustration. But especially as it pertains to our conference performance, we finished middle of the pack. Every WSU conference win meant a conference loss for another P12 team. When you look at the teams at the top, do we really think we *deserved* to be there? Do we have perennially elite recruiting and facilities and program prestige that were held back by coaching? No way, we're in the basement on all of those. You expect Oregon, USC and UW (maybe Utah now) to be up near the top; nobody sees WSU finishing in the middle and going bowling and says, "wow I'm surprised they did that badly." Only WSU fans think they should be Top 2 in division every year; rest of the division thinks we should be Bottom 2.

I'm not against having high expectations, but IMO a 7-8 win season for the Cougs this year is overperforming, even if - with our inferior recruiting/coaching/facilities/prestige - I feel we were so close to 9-10.
Not ranting on our record/ finish.
But since I'm inching closer to retirement age, I figure I have to repeat myself and say the same thing year after year, which is: I don't have a great appreciation for the lower tier bowls for what they are. I do appreciate the extra practice, but it feels dirty, like the program(s) are being whored out for corporate greed.

What's the payout for the LA Bowl?
 
Not ranting on our record/ finish.
But since I'm inching closer to retirement age, I figure I have to repeat myself and say the same thing year after year, which is: I don't have a great appreciation for the lower tier bowls for what they are. I do appreciate the extra practice, but it feels dirty, like the program(s) are being whored out for corporate greed.

What's the payout for the LA Bowl?
I don't disagree. At least it's not the Sun Bowl...

I think this whole thing will continue to evolve dramatically: we have declining college enrollment, declining youth football participation, universities increasingly embracing that football players are athletes and not students, NIL, NCAA criticism, playoffs consolidation etc. Not impossible that CFB more or less shrinks to ~64 teams and the rest just become intramural squads...
 
My Chargers tickets are on roughly the 25 in the second tier (which I like better than much of the first tier, the front of which is a little close; if you can get the front half of the second tier anywhere between the 20's the view will be quite good). Unless you are in the ozone (and yes, there is an ozone tier for which you need exceptional eyesight; avoid those seats), there is not a bad seat. The tiers are almost vertical, so even at the top you have not moved a long distance back from the field; just an elevation gain. The massive tele screen helps the top rows quite a bit. Though like all SoCal stadiums, they seldom replay the really controversial calls.

The field is approx 6 stories down from ground level. It is a heck of a facility. You can take an elevator, but most just take a string of escalators. The top is covered; both N and S ends are open (but with the field level so low, that opening is well above most of the seating). The place stays ventillated and will only be 10 F or so warmer than ambient, so an evening game in December will probably see interior stadium temps in the 50's. It takes a heck of a wind to feel anything much 3rd level or lower. I was there when the lightning storm forced a 25-ish minute suspension of Monday Night Football. Clearly they did not think the ozone seating tier was adequately protected from lightning, though in true lighting storm country the structure would have been built with good lightning arrestors. I've never seen a midwestern game in a covered stadium interrupted, but maybe I just have not seen the right game...

The good, the bad, the ugly:

The good: big parking lots; beautiful landscaping with good photo ops on the front (South) side; comfortable seats with adequate side to side space; broad aisles; clean overall, with clean & adequate restrooms. Adequate security, and I've never seen a fight or altercation, even when the Raiders were playing us (though like all Raiders games, there was probably double the number of Sheriff's deputies on hand).

The bad: the food is truly mediocre. Do Not eat the pizza. There are a few decent sandwich & salad offerings. The tacos are excellent; the only food item this year that would rate above "meh". The WiFi was excrable when it opened last year but it is improved to merely bad now; it works until the game starts and people start looking things up and sending pics. Then it may as well not exist. I shut down the WiFi and go cellular at that point.

The ugly: Getting out of the parking lot is a 45 minute process after you are back in your car if the stadium was mostly full and you stay to the end of the game. Use the restroom before leaving, because you will be in your car for a while. There is no way the LA Bowl will sell out (or come close), so this may not be an issue. There is still construction going on around the perimeter and I have hopes that this will get better but who knows at this point? The PA/audio system is unbelievably bad, and very little improved from last year. It is like Bill Cosby's old bus station announcer routine. My section of season ticket holders often holds our own huddle to try to agree on what has just been announced. The official's mikes are actually the best in the building; they are probably 70% or so understandable. The regular PA announcer is an every other word kind of thing unless the place is empty, with no background noise.

Thoughts: The Hollywood Park casino fronts the stadium, and it has a hotel. That makes it walking distance to the game and the hotel food is like most casino food; relatively OK. It is also relatively close to LAX. There are also some other, smaller (Best Westernish) hotels within walking distance. The downside of staying here is that you are in the middle of Inglewood, and except for the Forum, there is nothing else. It's not a huge crime concern, and I would not hesitate to walk up to a mile or so to the game, but in some ways it is an urban desert. If you want to sight see while in LA, you will be driving. The facility itself is the nicest stadium I've been in, but the tech side of things stinks. Hard to understand how the WiFi and PA system could be so bad in a modern stadium. My professional society rented it our for our annual officer induction, and after dinner in the club we went down on the field. It was really weird to walk down to where my seats were located and look up (almost straight up) at them. And the red rubber bits that make the green turf soft were also a couple of generations removed from anything that I'd been on previously. I will say that it is easy to understand how somebody gets turf toe or tripped up in what felt to my finger like an inch or more of that artificial, rubber detritus. Finally, you would expect Stan Kroenke (who owns Screaming Eagle, Jonata and Hilt, among other wineries) to have something better than canned Pinot available. The beer at Chargers/Rams games is also mostly limited to Modelo (the sponsor brewery), so I'd guess that will apply at the Bowl. You find Especial everywhere, but their dark beer (which is actually a pretty good light porterish beer) is only here and there. Worth getting there early to look around, and if you are a dark beer guy, watch for the dark beer as you walk around.
 
Yeah, but I bitch about the Sun and Alamo bowl too for various reasons. Guess I'm just an ingrate.

As for Oregon and Utah, I think Denny Greene would like to chime in here on the Cougs.

I guess on the bright side, we beat the teams we were supposed to beat and finished higher than most predicted.
Genuinely curious, what's wrong with the Alamo Bowl? I'd rather it be bowl game No. 3 instead of No. 2 but seems like a solid bowl game, even if San Antonio isn't super easy to get to.
 
My Chargers tickets are on roughly the 25 in the second tier (which I like better than much of the first tier, the front of which is a little close; if you can get the front half of the second tier anywhere between the 20's the view will be quite good). Unless you are in the ozone (and yes, there is an ozone tier for which you need exceptional eyesight; avoid those seats), there is not a bad seat. The tiers are almost vertical, so even at the top you have not moved a long distance back from the field; just an elevation gain. The massive tele screen helps the top rows quite a bit. Though like all SoCal stadiums, they seldom replay the really controversial calls.

The field is approx 6 stories down from ground level. It is a heck of a facility. You can take an elevator, but most just take a string of escalators. The top is covered; both N and S ends are open (but with the field level so low, that opening is well above most of the seating). The place stays ventillated and will only be 10 F or so warmer than ambient, so an evening game in December will probably see interior stadium temps in the 50's. It takes a heck of a wind to feel anything much 3rd level or lower. I was there when the lightning storm forced a 25-ish minute suspension of Monday Night Football. Clearly they did not think the ozone seating tier was adequately protected from lightning, though in true lighting storm country the structure would have been built with good lightning arrestors. I've never seen a midwestern game in a covered stadium interrupted, but maybe I just have not seen the right game...

The good, the bad, the ugly:

The good: big parking lots; beautiful landscaping with good photo ops on the front (South) side; comfortable seats with adequate side to side space; broad aisles; clean overall, with clean & adequate restrooms. Adequate security, and I've never seen a fight or altercation, even when the Raiders were playing us (though like all Raiders games, there was probably double the number of Sheriff's deputies on hand).

The bad: the food is truly mediocre. Do Not eat the pizza. There are a few decent sandwich & salad offerings. The tacos are excellent; the only food item this year that would rate above "meh". The WiFi was excrable when it opened last year but it is improved to merely bad now; it works until the game starts and people start looking things up and sending pics. Then it may as well not exist. I shut down the WiFi and go cellular at that point.

The ugly: Getting out of the parking lot is a 45 minute process after you are back in your car if the stadium was mostly full and you stay to the end of the game. Use the restroom before leaving, because you will be in your car for a while. There is no way the LA Bowl will sell out (or come close), so this may not be an issue. There is still construction going on around the perimeter and I have hopes that this will get better but who knows at this point? The PA/audio system is unbelievably bad, and very little improved from last year. It is like Bill Cosby's old bus station announcer routine. My section of season ticket holders often holds our own huddle to try to agree on what has just been announced. The official's mikes are actually the best in the building; they are probably 70% or so understandable. The regular PA announcer is an every other word kind of thing unless the place is empty, with no background noise.

Thoughts: The Hollywood Park casino fronts the stadium, and it has a hotel. That makes it walking distance to the game and the hotel food is like most casino food; relatively OK. It is also relatively close to LAX. There are also some other, smaller (Best Westernish) hotels within walking distance. The downside of staying here is that you are in the middle of Inglewood, and except for the Forum, there is nothing else. It's not a huge crime concern, and I would not hesitate to walk up to a mile or so to the game, but in some ways it is an urban desert. If you want to sight see while in LA, you will be driving. The facility itself is the nicest stadium I've been in, but the tech side of things stinks. Hard to understand how the WiFi and PA system could be so bad in a modern stadium. My professional society rented it our for our annual officer induction, and after dinner in the club we went down on the field. It was really weird to walk down to where my seats were located and look up (almost straight up) at them. And the red rubber bits that make the green turf soft were also a couple of generations removed from anything that I'd been on previously. I will say that it is easy to understand how somebody gets turf toe or tripped up in what felt to my finger like an inch or more of that artificial, rubber detritus. Finally, you would expect Stan Kroenke (who owns Screaming Eagle, Jonata and Hilt, among other wineries) to have something better than canned Pinot available. The beer at Chargers/Rams games is also mostly limited to Modelo (the sponsor brewery), so I'd guess that will apply at the Bowl. You find Especial everywhere, but their dark beer (which is actually a pretty good light porterish beer) is only here and there. Worth getting there early to look around, and if you are a dark beer guy, watch for the dark beer as you walk around.
One time for a work event (I worked for a beer co that was launching a brand sponsoring the Dodgers) we rented a party bus from our LA Live hotel to Chavez Ravine; 2.5 miles. Great time - for the first 90 minutes of the 2.5 mile drive. Then the beer and the stop/go caught up to everybody. Think it took us 2+ hours overall to go 2.5 miles. Never again.
 
Genuinely curious, what's wrong with the Alamo Bowl? I'd rather it be bowl game No. 3 instead of No. 2 but seems like a solid bowl game, even if San Antonio isn't super easy to get to.
For what it is, I'm ok with the bowl, just not the match up we have. That being said, we've only won 3 of the match-ups since the B12-P12 agreement.

Speaking of which, looks like Campbell should have jumped ship and taken the cash; ISU is back to being ISU.
 
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One time for a work event (I worked for a beer co that was launching a brand sponsoring the Dodgers) we rented a party bus from our LA Live hotel to Chavez Ravine; 2.5 miles. Great time - for the first 90 minutes of the 2.5 mile drive. Then the beer and the stop/go caught up to everybody. Think it took us 2+ hours overall to go 2.5 miles. Never again.
I'm sorry you had to work with that baseball team.

(Go Giants!)
 
After being out of the country for a while, I am once again reminded how everything revolves around politics...and I probably vote in a similar manner to the OP.

I also don't get the bitching about going to a lower tier bowl...regardless if it is in a liberal city.

Heck...we should take a bowl game on Mars if it pays out well. It gives much needed reps to kids who many need to step up next year.
 
After being out of the country for a while, I am once again reminded how everything revolves around politics...and I probably vote in a similar manner to the OP.

I also don't get the bitching about going to a lower tier bowl...regardless if it is in a liberal city.

Heck...we should take a bowl game on Mars if it pays out well. It gives much needed reps to kids who many need to step up next year.
What is "pays out well"? Remember, the cost of travelling a team, last I checked, was over $1MM, and that's for the lowly Cougs. Probably more now.

Also, my comment was pointed at the sponsor, not the city itself, thought I could understand the confusion.
 
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After being out of the country for a while, I am once again reminded how everything revolves around politics...and I probably vote in a similar manner to the OP.

I also don't get the bitching about going to a lower tier bowl...regardless if it is in a liberal city.

Heck...we should take a bowl game on Mars if it pays out well. It gives much needed reps to kids who many need to step up next year.
If we went to Vegas, is that a liberal city or conservative? I remember what Chris Rock said about politics. Some issues he is liberal, some he is conservative. I think I could find both in sin city.
 
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One time for a work event (I worked for a beer co that was launching a brand sponsoring the Dodgers) we rented a party bus from our LA Live hotel to Chavez Ravine; 2.5 miles. Great time - for the first 90 minutes of the 2.5 mile drive. Then the beer and the stop/go caught up to everybody. Think it took us 2+ hours overall to go 2.5 miles. Never again.
Dodgers parking is the absolute worst on the face of the earth. I have not gone to a Dodgers game in almost 20 years. And the gang banger mentality in the parking lot after every San Francisco Giants game makes you want to come armed. I grew up a Dodger fan, since much of the 70's world series crew came through Spokane since they were the Dodgers AAA team then. But no more. Much of the city is in revolt against the conditions, though many still have a soft spot in their hearts for what the Dodgers used to be.
 
If we went to Vegas, is that a liberal city or conservative? I remember what Chris Rock said about politics. Some issues he is liberal, some he is conservative. I think I could find both in sin city.
Ed, you made me laugh. Vegas is the classic example of why labels can be misleading. Blue voting. Ultra-libertarian in terms of "sin tax" options. Lots of concealed carry. I could go on and on about how the city does not fit the classic stereotypes. Good point!
 
Dodgers parking is the absolute worst on the face of the earth. I have not gone to a Dodgers game in almost 20 years. And the gang banger mentality in the parking lot after every San Francisco Giants game makes you want to come armed. I grew up a Dodger fan, since much of the 70's world series crew came through Spokane since they were the Dodgers AAA team then. But no more. Much of the city is in revolt against the conditions, though many still have a soft spot in their hearts for what the Dodgers used to be.
You are always welcome to be a Giants fan ;)
 
Yep, Vegas leans conservative/libertarian culturally but votes blue because unions (strip) control elections. Lotta guns, weed, hookers, open containers and small business opportunities. The influence from Cali tho is catching up including a governor that has a raging crush on Gavin Newsom.
 
Dodgers parking is the absolute worst on the face of the earth. I have not gone to a Dodgers game in almost 20 years. And the gang banger mentality in the parking lot after every San Francisco Giants game makes you want to come armed. I grew up a Dodger fan, since much of the 70's world series crew came through Spokane since they were the Dodgers AAA team then. But no more. Much of the city is in revolt against the conditions, though many still have a soft spot in their hearts for what the Dodgers used to be.
What does this mean? ☝️
 
IMHO a Bowl game is a reward for the players. They put in the hard work to get to where they are. Also, this is a chance for seniors to show their skills on national tv and NFL scouts. Like the last several years players I thought should have played could have increased their possible draft stock. I understand some venues are worse then others, but it’s for the players.
 
IMHO a Bowl game is a reward for the players. They put in the hard work to get to where they are. Also, this is a chance for seniors to show their skills on national tv and NFL scouts. Like the last several years players I thought should have played could have increased their possible draft stock. I understand some venues are worse then others, but it’s for the players.
That's not just your opinion, it's absolutely correct. People who say the LA Bowl sucks are talking about it from a fan perspective or National cache. For the players, particularly our players here in the chilly NW, playing in Los Angeles in the nicest new stadium in the world is a cool deal. The fact that it's early in the bowl season isn't exciting for a lot of our fans, but it's better in a lot of respects for our players and coaches. They can be home with their families for the Holidays.
 
If we went to Vegas, is that a liberal city or conservative? I remember what Chris Rock said about politics. Some issues he is liberal, some he is conservative. I think I could find both in sin city.

I can be liberal on Saturdays and indulge in sins of the flesh...then go to church on Sunday so they can pour holy water over my hangover :D
 
What does this mean? ☝️
I'll offer a recent example, though there are more; just google "Dodger parking lot violence". It has gotten to the point that violence is an expected risk in the Dodger Stadium parking lot for virtually any activity. The Elton John concert held there less than 2 weeks ago was the latest example. The media now immediately keys on every fight, beating or robbery that results in paramedic response there. During baseball season it seems to be weekly but more realistically is probably almost monthly. The rest of the year it depends upon how many activities are being held there. People are sick of it; it has almost become a meme of water cooler conversation. Combined with the road rage issues stemming from the parking lot egress issues, it is now simply a place that many refuse to visit.
 
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I can be liberal on Saturdays and indulge in sins of the flesh...then go to church on Sunday so they can pour holy water over my hangover :D
Sponge, that holy water does a lot more good if it is ingested BEFORE you drink. The extra hydration is not only better for your liver; it also helps avoid the headache the next day. Voice of experience.
 
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Ed, you made me laugh. Vegas is the classic example of why labels can be misleading. Blue voting. Ultra-libertarian in terms of "sin tax" options. Lots of concealed carry. I could go on and on about how the city does not fit the classic stereotypes. Good point!
Well Chris Rock said “I am conservative when it comes to crime, I am liberal when it comes to prostitution “
 
Sponge, that holy water does a lot more good if it is ingested BEFORE you drink. The extra hydration is not only better for your liver; it also helps avoid the headache the next day. Voice of experience.
Don’t drink the holy water. People dip their fingers in that stuff…and only half of people wash their hands after peeing.
 
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People are sick of it; it has almost become a meme of water cooler conversation. Combined with the road rage issues stemming from the parking lot egress issues, it is now simply a place that many refuse to visit.
This pretty much sums up my feelings on the entire LA region.
 
Sponge, that holy water does a lot more good if it is ingested BEFORE you drink. The extra hydration is not only better for your liver; it also helps avoid the headache the next day. Voice of experience.
Come on …sponge is a Coug… He drinks the good stuff, he baths in the bad stuff like monarch or popov vodka . 😜
 
If we went to Vegas, is that a liberal city or conservative? I remember what Chris Rock said about politics. Some issues he is liberal, some he is conservative. I think I could find both in sin city.
Sin City rules. I go there 5 to 6 time per year. Had the BEST Thanksgiving dinner with family at the Southpoint Silverado Steakhouse and also hit a 3 team NFL parlay! (Although still even for the week....Radford screwed me in college basketball) Vegas doesn't judge and is full of diversity and degenerates! That's what I love about the place. I am going to the UNLV v. WSU game on 10 DEC. May bet WSU on the money line? They will need to make at least 10 3s to beat a good UNLV team.
 
Sin City rules. I go there 5 to 6 time per year. Had the BEST Thanksgiving dinner with family at the Southpoint Silverado Steakhouse and also hit a 3 team NFL parlay! (Although still even for the week....Radford screwed me in college basketball) Vegas doesn't judge and is full of diversity and degenerates! That's what I love about the place. I am going to the UNLV v. WSU game on 10 DEC. May bet WSU on the money line? They will need to make at least 10 3s to beat a good UNLV team.
I have to ask … is your new handle Diversity Coug or Degenerate Coug …
 
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