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[WASH ST A&M FAN]

Well…………Businessmen Now

It will be interesting to see this all unfolds across the country. Money causes real animosity & jealousy within the everyday workplace. In a locker room full of 18-23 year old kids not yet understanding that “fair isn’t equal” could be a real challenge for all coaching staffs.

 

[Coug4life34]

Well…………Businessmen Now

It will be interesting to see this all unfold across the country. Money causes real animosity & jealousy within the everyday workplace. In a locker room full of 18-23 year old kids not yet understanding that “fair isn’t equal” could be a real challenge for all coaching staffs.

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I agree it will definitely be hell on the coaching staff with so many different agendas, but believe me the kids already know that fair certainly does not mean equal!

 

[FnuLnu]

I agree it will definitely be hell on the coaching staff with so many different agendas, but believe me the kids already know that fair certainly does not mean equal!

It's comforting to know in times like this, that Billy Joe Hobert's kid is on the team.

 

[dgibbons]

https://www.indeed.com/l-Pullman,-WA-jobs.html?vjk=8fb1e0b95d988990

I'm kidding.

 

[ttowncoug]

Who is monitoring this stuff for compliance?

Pay for recruiting just got easier.

 

[CougEd]

Well…………Businessmen Now

It will be interesting to see this all unfolds across the country. Money causes real animosity & jealousy within the everyday workplace. In a locker room full of 18-23 year old kids not yet understanding that “fair isn’t equal” could be a real challenge for all coaching staffs.

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Not sure why it would cause the Nick Sabans of the world problems . Just made recruiting that much easier for high profile schools and made it harder for OSU WSU and the like .

 

[95coug]

Imagine if this had been in place in 2018. How much money could Minshew have made that season?

 

[Observer11]

Imagine if this had been in place in 2018. How much money could Minshew have made that season?

All of it.

 

[etowncoug]

Imagine if this had been in place in 2018. How much money could Minshew have made that season?

Minshew is really the exception. I'm really curious if the NIL rules allow them to be in the WSU logo when endorsing a product. For 99%+ of these kids, it's the uniform that sells product. At least for the men. The women are going to make a ton of cash off the NIL though.

 

[roses04]

We talk about all the mens sports here, but there are a lot of women that missed out on making money, and many women in sports that will make money. Beauty still sells better than anything. I'll give you an example of a person many of you have never heard of, Allison Stokke, who happens to be Ricky Fowler's wife. She was a pole vaulter that went to Cal, she be came an internet sensation on sports many sites overnight. The right woman in the right place has just as much, if not more potential to earn as much as any male athlete in college. Unfortunately the poor woman got hounded by photographers and had trouble deal with the instant fame, she deserved money for what she went through. Google it and find out.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

The women are going to make a ton of cash off the NIL though.

I don't follow, care to elaborate?

 

[95coug]

Minshew is really the exception. I'm really curious if the NIL rules allow them to be in the WSU logo when endorsing a product. For 99%+ of these kids, it's the uniform that sells product. At least for the men. The women are going to make a ton of cash off the NIL though.

The star players on every team are going to make short-term, local money. The star players on the best teams are going to make national money. Trevor Lawrence spending 3 years as Clemson's QB would have made a ton. Tim Tebow, Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Charles Woodson, etc. would have done the same.

I really don't think you're right about the women. There will be some here and there that capitalize too, but for the most part womens' sports and female athletes don't get the same exposure. The example of Allison Stokke isn't really appropriate - her exposure was only tangentially related to her athletic performance. She could easily have been a model, she just happened to be "discovered" on the track.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

The star players on every team are going to make short-term, local money. The star players on the best teams are going to make national money. Trevor Lawrence spending 3 years as Clemson's QB would have made a ton. Tim Tebow, Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Charles Woodson, etc. would have done the same.

I really don't think you're right about the women. There will be some here and there that capitalize too, but for the most part womens' sports and female athletes don't get the same exposure. The example of Allison Stokke isn't really appropriate - her exposure was only tangentially related to her athletic performance. She could easily have been a model, she just happened to be "discovered" on the track

The AS phenomenon was driven by the novelty of a female pole vaulter and the fact that she is smoking hot. The seedy side of the whole thing was that she was a minor at 17 when the infamous photo was taken, which led to people finding and ogling photos of her when she was even younger. It got pretty bad for her with the creepers and stalkers out there. Point being: I'm doubting she would have wanted to cash in on her "fame".

 

[etowncoug]

I don't follow, care to elaborate?

Pretty girls will always be marketable.

 

[CougEd]

Pretty girls will always be marketable.

Oh

 

[Coug1990]

We talk about all the mens sports here, but there are a lot of women that missed out on making money, and many women in sports that will make money. Beauty still sells better than anything. I'll give you an example of a person many of you have never heard of, Allison Stokke, who happens to be Ricky Fowler's wife. She was a pole vaulter that went to Cal, she be came an internet sensation on sports many sites overnight. The right woman in the right place has just as much, if not more potential to earn as much as any male athlete in college. Unfortunately the poor woman got hounded by photographers and had trouble deal with the instant fame, she deserved money for what she went through. Google it and find out.

I knew who Allison was. I had to look up who Ricky Fowler was.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Who is monitoring this stuff for compliance?

Pay for recruiting just got easier.

who cares? Can still only take 25 a year and only idiots are going to waste money annually on paying high schoolers.

 

[425cougfan]

who cares? Can still only take 25 a year and only idiots are going to waste money annually on paying high schoolers.

Annual limits on scholies don't mean that there shouldn't be regulation of paying recruits. With that out of the way, only idiots would give recruits new cars or bags of cash, too, and if the "annually" mention is supposed to mean that the only way to game this is to set up a consistent payment scheme to players, thereby serving as a way to pay "recruits" without having to contact recruits about it, I agree that's the best way to play it -- well-organized boosters would be well-served to have some kind of consistent or known payment scheme to players that's systematic, rather than one-off endorsement payments to stars -- it's not like recruits can't be contacted to know that if they go to X school, Y booster will give them an "above board" endorsement deal.

In any case, this thing is what it is and isn't changing, so I agree with "who cares" to that extent. Little can be done. Definitely is true that this makes it a lot easier to impact recruiting, both through NIL itself and due to the messiness of all of this that will make all kinds of other flat-out cheating easier to hide or simply get lost in the shuffle, too.

 

[Observer11]

Hate this concept. HATE IT.

So Borghi goes off for a gazillion yards and scores big $$$$ for his 'likeness'. And tosses his linemen a couple bags of Arbys to say thanks. Yeah - this has the potential to cause some real dissension among teammates.

If the NCAA had half an ounce of common sense, they'd pool all the NLI money and then distribute it to ALL the student athletes. There's any number of ways they could do it - including setting up royalties that pay in perpetuity.

Just not a fan of the pay me/my brand mentality.

 

[425cougfan]

Hate this concept. HATE IT.

So Borghi goes off for a gazillion yards and scores big $$$$ for his 'likeness'. And tosses his linemen a couple bags of Arbys to say thanks. Yeah - this has the potential to cause some real dissension among teammates.

If the NCAA had half an ounce of common sense, they'd pool all the NLI money and then distribute it to ALL the student athletes. There's any number of ways they could do it - including setting up royalties that pay in perpetuity.

Just not a fan of the pay me/my brand mentality.

I could see this whole thing playing out in numerous ways, but I believe the point you raise is of particular concern when bearing in mind potential disconnects between expectations and reality. I've seen some talk from second- and third-string DL about "building their brands" and the like.

 

[random soul]

Yeah I suspect that there's going to be a period where everyone thinks they're gonna be able to cash in, and then most realize there isn't that much there to go around except for the marquee names

 

[etowncoug]

Yeah I suspect that there's going to be a period where everyone thinks they're gonna be able to cash in, and then most realize there isn't that much there to go around except for the marquee names

Then they will complain and demand checks.

 

[random soul]

Then they will complain and demand checks.

I guess we'll see what we see. I do think kids should be compensated when the schools or game companies or whatever use their likeness to make money, so narrowly speaking this makes sense. The more problematic angle is the merch, but it is what it is. These people are ingrained in competition, so I'm not sure how much complaining there will be about who gets more money from signing jerseys.

 

[etowncoug]

I guess we'll see what we see. I do think kids should be compensated when the schools or game companies or whatever use their likeness to make money, so narrowly speaking this makes sense. The more problematic angle is the merch, but it is what it is. These people are ingrained in competition, so I'm not sure how much complaining there will be about who gets more money from signing jerseys.

Pro athletes compete in everything, including money. It's torn apart many a pro locker room. What do you think it will do to a bunch of entitled college kids, many of whom think they should be paid millions to be a third stringer because the NCAA makes so much money.

 

[CougPatrol]

This is a serious dagger into the hearts of smaller market schools. If you thought WSU had a hard time attracting 4 star talent before, it's permanently gone now. The difference between being a starting QB at WSU and a starting QB for USC or UCLA could be as much $10M+.

 

[Coug4life34]

This is a serious dagger into the hearts of smaller market schools. If you thought WSU had a hard time attracting 4 star talent before, it's permanently gone now. The difference between being a starting QB at WSU and a starting QB for USC or UCLA could be as much $10M+.

I’m not so sure about this. As with anything else it depends on how well you utilize your backing. I think it certainly puts a complete dagger in recruiting any 5 stars, but a school like WSU has an ability to really make advertising work on a local level. The dollar will go allot further in terms of directly accessing those people through marketing who will buy your product..
At UCLA and USC the four star athlete is going to generate a much marketing potential because of the competition in such a large market. If anything I think it will send more kids to smaller schools to be the leader in marketing opportunities.. Much more lucrative to be a big fish in a small pond!!

 

[Coug4life34]

I’m not so sure about this. As with anything else it depends on how well you utilize your backing. I think it certainly puts a complete dagger in recruiting any 5 stars, but a school like WSU has an ability to really make advertising work on a local level. The dollar will go allot further in terms of directly accessing those people through marketing who will buy your product..
At UCLA and USC the four star athlete is going to generate a much marketing potential because of the competition in such a large market. If anything I think it will send more kids to smaller schools to be the leader in marketing opportunities.. Much more lucrative to be a big fish in a small pond!!

Is not going to generate!!

 

[wazzucougs96]

Just not a fan of the pay me/my brand mentality.

Why do you hate America?

 

[dgibbons]

I’m not so sure about this. As with anything else it depends on how well you utilize your backing. I think it certainly puts a complete dagger in recruiting any 5 stars, but a school like WSU has an ability to really make advertising work on a local level. The dollar will go allot further in terms of directly accessing those people through marketing who will buy your product..
At UCLA and USC the four star athlete is going to generate a much marketing potential because of the competition in such a large market. If anything I think it will send more kids to smaller schools to be the leader in marketing opportunities.. Much more lucrative to be a big fish in a small pond!!

The problem for WSU and a lot of other smaller schools is that there is no network of donors and boosters to make this happen, or at least nowhere near the scale as the big schools. What would an autograph session or an ad for a car dealer look like in Pullman compared to the same events at Ohio State? I would say that star players at WSU can maybe pocket $10,000 a year, while a star player at tOSU can probably pocket $100,000.

 

[wazzucougs96]

This is a serious dagger into the hearts of smaller market schools. If you thought WSU had a hard time attracting 4 star talent before, it's permanently gone now. The difference between being a starting QB at WSU and a starting QB for USC or UCLA could be as much $10M+.

There are more QBs out there than premium starting jobs. Nothing is going to change.

 

[wazzucougs96]

The problem for WSU and a lot of other smaller schools is that there is no network of donors and boosters to make this happen, or at least nowhere near the scale as the big schools. What would an autograph session or an ad for a car dealer look like in Pullman compared to the same events at Ohio State? I would say that star players at WSU can maybe pocket $10,000 a year, while a star player at tOSU can probably pocket $100,000.

Those players were never choosing WSU over Ohio State before, so nothing is going to change.

 

[dgibbons]

Those players were never choosing WSU over Ohio State before, so nothing is going to change.

Except when a school like tOSU is looking for a transfer.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Except when a school like tOSU is looking for a transfer.

How many guys have transferred out of WSU to a school like tOSU? Champ Simmons is the only one I can think of. You are worrying about a problem that does not exist.

 

[dgibbons]

How many guys have transferred out of WSU to a school like tOSU? Champ Simmons is the only one I can think of. You are worrying about a problem that does not exist.

How many times have they had a chance to make $100,000 and presumably start for the trouble of transferring?

 

[95coug]

How many times have they had a chance to make $100,000 and presumably start for the trouble of transferring?

I think the more likely problem - and every team is going to face - is being lost under the worst case problem.

Sure, there's a possibility that at some point a QB at WSU will leap to OSU or Alabama or something, on the idea that they can make 10x as much in likeness rights. That's going to be unusual though...and the potential already exists because of the transfer portal. The starting QB at tOSU, Bama, etc. likely has more pro exposure/potential than the starting QB at WSU does.

The bigger issue is going to be that the QB at every school (along with maybe an RB, a star receiver, or a defensive leader) is going to be in demand, and is going to be recognizable. Who's going to be asking for the starting right guard's autograph? This is going to increase the gulf between the traditional skill positions and the workhorse linemen. A star player who's got the ego to match is going to rub his team the wrong way, and create additional locker room friction.

 

[mikalalas]

I think the more likely problem - and every team is going to face - is being lost under the worst case problem.

Sure, there's a possibility that at some point a QB at WSU will leap to OSU or Alabama or something, on the idea that they can make 10x as much in likeness rights. That's going to be unusual though...and the potential already exists because of the transfer portal. The starting QB at tOSU, Bama, etc. likely has more pro exposure/potential than the starting QB at WSU does.

The bigger issue is going to be that the QB at every school (along with maybe an RB, a star receiver, or a defensive leader) is going to be in demand, and is going to be recognizable. Who's going to be asking for the starting right guard's autograph? This is going to increase the gulf between the traditional skill positions and the workhorse linemen. A star player who's got the ego to match is going to rub his team the wrong way, and create additional locker room friction.

O LINE MAN TACKLE, FUTURE TOP 10 PICK OF 1ST ROUND OF NFL DRAFT ABE LUCAS, WONT COMPLAIN MUCH, if at all.

He will also get a lot of name recognition earnings, money, but wven if he doesnt, he will get MILLIONS from the NFL by being a Top 10 Draft Pick over someone at a higher profile position who gets 200k for their name, likeness, but that either doesnt get drafted, or only goes in rounds 4,5,6.

O Linemen are more highly sought after in the NFL, and get drafted in 1st round, get paid more money in NFL more then any other position, except for QB, DL.

If you DO WELL, work HARD, etc, as a O Lineman, you will have a higher chance at money then other positions, because of NFL, CFL, XFL, Arena Football League, etc.

OLinemen will SEMI USUALLY be just fine

 

[95coug]

O LINE MAN TACKLE, FUTURE TOP 10 PICK OF 1ST ROUND OF NFL DRAFT ABE LUCAS, WONT COMPLAIN MUCH, if at all.

He will also get a lot of name recognition earnings, money, but wven if he doesnt, he will get MILLIONS from the NFL by being a Top 10 Draft Pick over someone at a higher profile position who gets 200k for their name, likeness, but that either doesnt get drafted, or only goes in rounds 4,5,6.

O Linemen are more highly sought after in the NFL, and get drafted in 1st round, get paid more money in NFL more then any other position, except for QB, DL.

If you DO WELL, work HARD, etc, as a O Lineman, you will have a higher chance at money then other positions, because of NFL, CFL, XFL, Arena Football League, etc.

OLinemen will SEMI USUALLY be just fine

And while they're in college, nobody is going to ask for them to be on a billboard or sign autographs. Or at least, they won't pay near as much to have them do it.

Honestly, even being a fan, I'd recognize Cam Cooper or JDL on the street. Not sure I'd recognize Abe Lucas on sight.

 

[Coug4life34]

The problem for WSU and a lot of other smaller schools is that there is no network of donors and boosters to make this happen, or at least nowhere near the scale as the big schools. What would an autograph session or an ad for a car dealer look like in Pullman compared to the same events at Ohio State? I would say that star players at WSU can maybe pocket $10,000 a year, while a star player at tOSU can probably pocket $100,000.

I agree.. but, my point is a star player yes… Most players will not be “stars” at schools but will be at WSU.. So 10,000 vs zero… Not 10,000 vs 100,000

 

[wazzucougs96]

The bigger issue is going to be that the QB at every school (along with maybe an RB, a star receiver, or a defensive leader) is going to be in demand, and is going to be recognizable. Who's going to be asking for the starting right guard's autograph? This is going to increase the gulf between the traditional skill positions and the workhorse linemen. A star player who's got the ego to match is going to rub his team the wrong way, and create additional locker room friction.

Same as it is now. Nothing is going to change.

 

[mikalalas]

And while they're in college, nobody is going to ask for them to be on a billboard or sign autographs. Or at least, they won't pay near as much to have them do it.

Honestly, even being a fan, I'd recognize Cam Cooper or JDL on the street. Not sure I'd recognize Abe Lucas on sight.

Does it likely matter to Abe Lucas if he is getting, going to get recognition, name, likeness money, since he is going to get millions from the NFL.

If someone asked me which woukd I prefer, between being Abe Lucas, getting no recognition, no name, likeness money, but making millions from the NFL, or instead being a Tebow type that gets a lot of recognition, makes 333k in name, likeness, but only either goes undrafted, or drafted 6th round, gets 50k to 500k from NFL, I would answer that I would rather be Abe Lucas, over the Tebow type, because he Abe Lucas is going to make millions from the NFL.