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[425cougfan]

I agree.. but, my point is a star player yes… Most players will not be “stars” at schools but will be at WSU.. So 10,000 vs zero… Not 10,000 vs 100,000

I get your point, but I don't think we're going to see this. For the past 80 years or so, essentially no recruits have chosen WSU over USC because they had an easier path to starting and being a big fish in a small pond, even though where the real money is, the NFL, is only attainable if a player actually plays (unless you're Matt Cassel, but we'll leave that one-off example aside). Instead, they all think they're going to be the guy to start at USC, because all they've known is being the man their whole lives. Many transfer for PT when it becomes apparent they won't get on the field or they are pushed out, and that would happen without NIL.

Other than organized recruiting-focused schemes that just pay broad sets of players (which I think is a smart way for boosters to game this, but it certainly won't be spearheaded by or unique to WSU), NIL is only going to result in monetization opps for starters, of course, and likely only a subset of prominent, marketable starters at skill positions. So this "big fish in a small pond" theory doesn't hold water.

 

[Coug90]

I guess we'll see what we see. I do think kids should be compensated when the schools or game companies or whatever use their likeness to make money, so narrowly speaking this makes sense. The more problematic angle is the merch, but it is what it is. These people are ingrained in competition, so I'm not sure how much complaining there will be about who gets more money from signing jerseys.

I think there’s a gray area. Should the guy who is on the cover of EA Sports NCAA Football get some money?…sure. Should the kicker from Utah State who’s number and likeness they portray in the game among thousands of other athletes, most of whom few of us have ever heard of? I don’t think so- he’s not helping to sell the game, he’s just in it. if I’m that guy I’m pretty pumped I’m in a video game!

 

[wazzu206]

So how do they regulate the Hunter Biden approach of pay-to-play if boosters are paying exorbitant amounts for something like an autograph? Have they already implemented limits? And does that mean it's effectively like a campaign contribution?

 

[dgibbons]

I think the more likely problem - and every team is going to face - is being lost under the worst case problem.

Sure, there's a possibility that at some point a QB at WSU will leap to OSU or Alabama or something, on the idea that they can make 10x as much in likeness rights. That's going to be unusual though...and the potential already exists because of the transfer portal. The starting QB at tOSU, Bama, etc. likely has more pro exposure/potential than the starting QB at WSU does.

The bigger issue is going to be that the QB at every school (along with maybe an RB, a star receiver, or a defensive leader) is going to be in demand, and is going to be recognizable. Who's going to be asking for the starting right guard's autograph? This is going to increase the gulf between the traditional skill positions and the workhorse linemen. A star player who's got the ego to match is going to rub his team the wrong way, and create additional locker room friction.

Pelluer is who I had in mind. Good player, slim hopes for the NFL potential, at a position that is far less glorious than QB or RB, but where a playing a true freshman MLB could lose you a conference or natty. A 100k moves the needle for someone like him. Pelluer was heading for Bama before a last second change of heart.

 

[dgibbons]

So how do they regulate the Hunter Biden approach of pay-to-play if boosters are paying exorbitant amounts for something like an autograph? Have they already implemented limits? And does that mean it's effectively like a campaign contribution?

You don’t.

 

[95coug]

I think there’s a gray area. Should the guy who is on the cover of EA Sports NCAA Football get some money?…sure. Should the kicker from Utah State who’s number and likeness they portray in the game among thousands of other athletes, most of whom few of us have ever heard of? I don’t think so- he’s not helping to sell the game, he’s just in it. if I’m that guy I’m pretty pumped I’m in a video game!

Well, the guy on the cover was always (I think) someone who had already exhausted their eligibility and was NFL-bound, so isn't really affected by this rule. But, since every other player in the game was modeled after an actual person - including physical attributes and talent ratings - yes, that person should be compensated. Not at the same level as the cover boy, but realistically all of the actual players have been represented in the game in the same manner and to the same degree...so the compensation should be uniform.

 

[SDCoug]

Where’s a kid who’s already buried in training, practice, and academics now going to find time to manage their “brand” as well? Guess which one is going to suffer. Especially for the young, delusional kids who come in thinking they’re destined for the NFL.

NCAA D1A football and basketball are now dead. I’m not attending games after this year. Not donating money unless I can specify where I want it to go. I may watch on TV if the weather won’t let me fish, golf, or ski.

 

[bumpstock]

Where’s a kid who’s already buried in training, practice, and academics now going to find time to manage their “brand” as well? Guess which one is going to suffer. Especially for the young, delusional kids who come in thinking they’re destined for the NFL.

NCAA D1A football and basketball are now dead. I’m not attending games after this year. Not donating money unless I can specify where I want it to go. I may watch on TV if the weather won’t let me fish, golf, or ski.

I'll mark you down as "Undecided."

 

[COUGinNCW]

How many guys have transferred out of WSU to a school like tOSU? Champ Simmons is the only one I can think of. You are worrying about a problem that does not exist.

They used to have to sit out a year or grad transfer. Could a Columbus car dealer reach out to a sophomore starting QB at WSU and say I have a lucrative opportunity for you in Columbus but you’ll need to be here for live “autograph” sessions.

What a mess.

 

[bumpstock]

They used to have to sit out a year or grad transfer. Could a Columbus car dealer reach out to a sophomore starting QB at WSU and say I have a lucrative opportunity for you in Columbus but you’ll need to be here for live “autograph” sessions.

What a mess.

No ~ the Columbus car dealer would need to reach out to the sophomore starting QB's Agent/Attorney at WSU.

Yes ~ it's gonna get messy.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Combine getting paid to play with a transfer portal with no limits and you get farm teams developing talent so they can jump for a year or two at a higher income potential school, prior to maybe going pro.

 

[Coug4life34]

I get your point, but I don't think we're going to see this. For the past 80 years or so, essentially no recruits have chosen WSU over USC because they had an easier path to starting and being a big fish in a small pond, even though where the real money is, the NFL, is only attainable if a player actually plays (unless you're Matt Cassel, but we'll leave that one-off example aside). Instead, they all think they're going to be the guy to start at USC, because all they've known is being the man their whole lives. Many transfer for PT when it becomes apparent they won't get on the field or they are pushed out, and that would happen without NIL.

Other than organized recruiting-focused schemes that just pay broad sets of players (which I think is a smart way for boosters to game this, but it certainly won't be spearheaded by or unique to WSU), NIL is only going to result in monetization opps for starters, of course, and likely only a subset of prominent, marketable starters at skill positions. So this "big fish in a small pond" theory doesn't hold water.

I agree with everything you said except for the end… I believe athletes will recognize that they may be more marketable in smaller ponds and are already looking for better opportunities. I think the transfer portal will blow up more then it already is as well.

 

[Observer11]

You don’t.

When the NCAA implodes on itself in the next five years, the market will regulate itself.

Greed usually eats its own appendages before dying a painful death.

 

[SDCoug]

When the NCAA implodes on itself in the next five years, the market will regulate itself.

Greed usually eats its own appendages before dying a painful death.

👍👍👍👍👍

Tried to like several times but this will have to do.

 

[mikalalas]

Combine getting paid to play with a transfer portal with no limits and you get farm teams developing talent so they can jump for a year or two at a higher income potential school, prior to maybe going pro.

Its like I have been saying about the Transfer Portal, and its fallen on deaf ears that the Transfer Portal was going to create a FARM system like the Minor League Baseball, with stars transfering out to Alabama type colleges.

This Name, Likeness, Image thing, combined with the Court Ruling, that said that the NCAA, has to pay athletes, combined with the Transfer Portal makes it so that the gulf widens between the haves(Alabama types), and the have nots, and where Alabama types, win even more, and the WSU types almost never ever either win or beat Alabama types.

And if a WSU type does win, then the Alabama types will take all their stars, from the Minor League WSU type FARM teams, and cripple them.

The only WSU types that will be able to semi consistently win are those who can win without star players.

Next is the Alabama types will use the courts to get rid of scholly limits, so that the Alabama types can HOARD ALL the talent.

IF cant control things, cheat, beat the NCAA at theirvown rules to never lose as a Alabama type, then just use the courts to get what you want as a Alabama type.

 

[bumpstock]

I agree with everything you said except for the end… I believe athletes will recognize that they may be more marketable in smaller ponds and are already looking for better opportunities. I think the transfer portal will blow up more then it already is as well.

The Twins left that worthless Fresno, CA market for Times Square, and it appears they'll be okay.

 

[Observer11]

The Twins left that worthless Fresno, CA market for Times Square, and it appears they'll be okay.

They’ll make more when they sign their first porn deal.

 

[Coug4life34]

The Twins left that worthless Fresno, CA market for Times Square, and it appears they'll be okay.

Yessir!!

 

[CougEd]

They’ll make more when they sign their first porn deal.

That comes out of left field …

 

[425cougfan]

I agree with everything you said except for the end… I believe athletes will recognize that they may be more marketable in smaller ponds and are already looking for better opportunities. I think the transfer portal will blow up more then it already is as well.

We'll see! You could be right. A lot of things could happen, and we have a lot of variables affecting things at once.

One comment while I'm at it, referencing some prior posts talking about the Utah State kicker. I suspect the NCAA might attempt to regulate this by trying to put in place rules around NIL activity requiring a "bona fide business purpose" or something like that in attempt to prevent outright payment schemes. That likely is impossible, though. How would the NCAA try to define what is a "real" or "reasonable" use of someone's name, image, or likeness, the way people were claiming this was intended (e.g., Borghi appearing on a billboard advertising something in Spokane) vs. clear payment schemes (e.g., the example of just putting the whole roster on a billboard, from stars to role players, and just paying all of them)? We might all be able to spot the BS schemes, but otherwise, who is to say that, e.g., a backup lineman, maybe one who is personable, photogenic, or whatever, doesn't have the same or more promotional value than a starting slot receiver? Same principles apply when trying to compare different sports, including those played by different genders, and in various other scenarios.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

What I can see the NCAA doing is to institute a licensing fee that will allow them to carve a percentage out of the NIL's that are signed which would give them funding to spread money to players and schools that aren't getting the big money contracts.

At the end of the day, it will be in the best interests of the big players to find a way to help the smaller schools. It took decades, but schools like USC finally realized with the formation of the Pac-12 that they need the smaller schools to be healthy as well for the league to be competitive with other leagues. Unfortunately for USC, the scholarship restrictions from the Bush era shenanigans combined with some questionable coaching choices has meant that USC is struggling to be relevant nationally.

 

[425cougfan]

What I can see the NCAA doing is to institute a licensing fee that will allow them to carve a percentage out of the NIL's that are signed which would give them funding to spread money to players and schools that aren't getting the big money contracts.

At the end of the day, it will be in the best interests of the big players to find a way to help the smaller schools. It took decades, but schools like USC finally realized with the formation of the Pac-12 that they need the smaller schools to be healthy as well for the league to be competitive with other leagues. Unfortunately for USC, the scholarship restrictions from the Bush era shenanigans combined with some questionable coaching choices has meant that USC is struggling to be relevant nationally.

Unless, and perhaps until, things move to superconferences and/or a super tier, which we may have seen anyway but which this could accelerate.

Even absent that, it might be in USC's interest to keep WSU and Oregon State floating around, but not enough to be a threat. Doing more cuts against the Wilnerian view of elite "relevant" teams like themselves at the top and cannon fodder at the bottom. Oklahoma and Texas don't really care that Kansas football essentially is a joke, and certainly not enough to "help" it in any meaningful way other than keeping it floating around at the bottom of the P5 barrel. I realize you are positioning the past 15 years at USC as more of a USC failure--and it is, of course--but there are forces in every conference cutting in favor of supporting the standard-bearers at the top, with those seeming especially likely to increase, not decrease, in the Pac-12, helping support having some elite teams that make the conference "relevant" nationally. I know the counter is to say they want to keep the floor high but just push the teams at the top to be truly elite. I get that and there will be that, too, but I think we'll see both, especially in the Pac-12.

I could see there being some effort that has a primary effect of helping keep rural P5s afloat, but that's a lot different from having a real chance to do anything meaningful over time. Same situation as now, but pushing it further that direction and against the effects of scholie limitations. On that latter point, cutting the number of scholies might really help smaller schools on competitive and fiscal fronts, in the context of helping all programs financially. Obviously not a player-friendly move, but that's how it works in the real world in some cases. Workers push for better situations and, if getting them, fewer workers are hired or retained as a result. I don't mean for that to turn this into another thread along political lines. Just has some basis in reality.

 

[dgibbons]

Unless, and perhaps until, things move to superconferences and/or a super tier, which we may have seen anyway but which this could accelerate.

Even absent that, it might be in USC's interest to keep WSU and Oregon State floating around, but not enough to be a threat. Doing more cuts against the Wilnerian view of elite "relevant" teams like themselves at the top and cannon fodder at the bottom. Oklahoma and Texas don't really care that Kansas football essentially is a joke, and certainly not enough to "help" it in any meaningful way other than keeping it floating around at the bottom of the P5 barrel. I realize you are positioning the past 15 years at USC as more of a USC failure--and it is, of course--but there are forces in every conference cutting in favor of supporting the standard-bearers at the top, with those seeming especially likely to increase, not decrease, in the Pac-12, helping support having some elite teams that make the conference "relevant" nationally. I know the counter is to say they want to keep the floor high but just push the teams at the top to be truly elite. I get that and there will be that, too, but I think we'll see both, especially in the Pac-12.

I could see there being some effort that has a primary effect of helping keep rural P5s afloat, but that's a lot different from having a real chance to do anything meaningful over time. Same situation as now, but pushing it further that direction and against the effects of scholie limitations. On that latter point, cutting the number of scholies might really help smaller schools on competitive and fiscal fronts, in the context of helping all programs financially. Obviously not a player-friendly move, but that's how it works in the real world in some cases. Workers push for better situations and, if getting them, fewer workers are hired or retained as a result. I don't mean for that to turn this into another thread along political lines. Just has some basis in reality.

The "elites" want some easy wins, and the money. Which is not surprising. We'll see if they get it.

 

[130talon]

The NIL rule won’t affect recruiting much. There are still only 85 scholarships per team, with a maximum of 25 signees per year. Most WSU players don’t get meaningful playing time until they are a couple years into the program because we are a “developmental program.” Because most of our recruits need to be “developed,” they aren’t the ones getting NIL deals out of High School.

Most college players won’t get NIL deals until they are established starters. Once they become solidified starters their next goal is the NFL, not transferring to another P5 for a NIL deal. I don’t see any of this stuff changing WSU for the better or worse when it comes to recruiting and keeping players.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

130, I take your point. Don't even really disagree, in terms of directly impacting the bulk of WSU recruiting. BUT...and it is a big but...it will impact some programs in the PAC directly. And that will lead to an indirect impact on us.

 

[mikalalas]

The NIL rule won’t affect recruiting much. There are still only 85 scholarships per team, with a maximum of 25 signees per year. Most WSU players don’t get meaningful playing time until they are a couple years into the program because we are a “developmental program.” Because most of our recruits need to be “developed,” they aren’t the ones getting NIL deals out of High School.

Most college players won’t get NIL deals until they are established starters. Once they become solidified starters their next goal is the NFL, not transferring to another P5 for a NIL deal. I don’t see any of this stuff changing WSU for the better or worse when it comes to recruiting and keeping players.

Ok Paul Wulf, sure glad your not a coach, head coach, AD, Pres for the team.

What you say is absolutly right, FOR THE 60'S, 70'S, some of the 80's, WALDEN, PAUL WULF, etc.

What you said is NOT as true for ERICKSON, PRICE, LEACH.

Rolo? Dont know yet.

Early returns, mixed.

WSU typically recruits:

1,2,3 NR's, 1,2,3,4 2 stars, 1,2,3,4 2.5 stars, 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 3 stars, 1 to 5 3.5 stars, 1,2 4 stars, per class of 25 each year under coaches like Erickson, Price, Leach, etc.

I made a whole list of about 15 to 30 prominent 3 stars, 3.5 stars, 4 stars, 4.5 stars, even a 5 star(Bledsoe), that wouldnt have come to WSU under NIL.

Your wrong FLAT OUT. and you dont even back it up with logic, other then to say that WSU doesnt get higher then 2 stars, etc.

Others here have made very persuasive arguments, cases based on info, logic, etc.

 

[SDCoug]

Your wrong FLAT OUT. and you dont even back it up with logic, other then to say that WSU doesnt get higher then 2 stars, etc.

Others here have made very persuasive arguments, cases based on info, logic, etc.

Mik - nobody will ever knock you for your passion. But this statement? Coming from you? Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle black. I cannot remember you linking a source, credible or not. 😬

 

[Coug95man2]

We have a kicker that is now sponsored. The smaller players will find smaller companies. No big...

 

[130talon]

I’m just saying that Bama/USC/Clemson/etc. can only sign 25 players per year (actually a fact, but we can call it logic if you prefer), so NIL doesn’t change anything when it comes to recruiting. WSU will still get good recruits, mostly 3 stars that won’t start as freshman (another fact). So in the end, you won’t see top starters transferring to find better NIL deals (definitely my opinion).

 

[mikalalas]

I’m just saying that Bama/USC/Clemson/etc. can only sign 25 players per year (actually a fact, but we can call it logic if you prefer), so NIL doesn’t change anything when it comes to recruiting. WSU will still get good recruits, mostly 3 stars that won’t start as freshman (another fact). So in the end, you won’t see top starters transferring to find better NIL deals (definitely my opinion).

WSU will not still get good 3 star, 3.5 star, 4 star recruits like the 15 to 30 past 3 star, 3.5 star, 4 star recruits like Gabe Marks, Bledsoe, etc, under NIL. That will definitely be a change in recruiting for WSU.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

WSU will not still get good 3 star, 3.5 star, 4 star recruits like the 15 to 30 past 3 star, 3.5 star, 4 star recruits like Gabe Marks, Bledsoe, etc, under NIL. That will definitely be a change in recruiting for WSU.

Every time you write "3.5 star", a kitten dies. It's one of the stupidest things ever written on this board....and that says a lot. Please stop.

 

[triscuit one]

Mk

I’m just saying that Bama/USC/Clemson/etc. can only sign 25 players per year (actually a fact, but we can call it logic if you prefer), so NIL doesn’t change anything when it comes to recruiting. WSU will still get good recruits, mostly 3 stars that won’t start as freshman (another fact). So in the end, you won’t see top starters transferring to find better NIL deals (definitely my opinion)

I also don't think we will see a huge migration of WSU top football talent head to other schools because they can provided them with more money through NIL deals. What is a guaranteed starting role at a P5 team worth? Would one transfer to compete for a starting position for $6000? $10,000? $20,000? Maybe someone with a young family with little financial support or some simular situation, but I would think it would also need to be a combination of the new schools proximity to family, a better team fit/scheme, a higher profile school and the individuals belief that he would be a starter at the new schoool, that would be as big if not a bigger deciding factor to changing school. For most athletes anyway.
How i see it hurting our recruiting the most is with incoming transfers. Such as WSU and Houston offers the same transfer, but Houston can land the recruit $10,000 in NIL money.

 

[Coug90]

Mk

I also don't think we will see a huge migration of WSU top football talent head to other schools because they can provided them with more money through NIL deals. What is a guaranteed starting role at a P5 team worth? Would one transfer to compete for a starting position for $6000? $10,000? $20,000? Maybe someone with a young family with little financial support or some simular situation, but I would think it would also need to be a combination of the new schools proximity to family, a better team fit/scheme, a higher profile school and the individuals belief that he would be a starter at the new schoool, that would be as big if not a bigger deciding factor to changing school. For most athletes anyway.
How i see it hurting our recruiting the most is with incoming transfers. Such as WSU and Houston offers the same transfer, but Houston can land the recruit $10,000 in NIL money.

You could also go back to what football was like in the 80s, which was probably the hay day for athletes getting paid by boosters with not much policing from the NCAA. Other factors have changed too of course, but even with the Miami’s, Oklahoma’s, and everyone else that was doing the same stuff but flying under the radar, CFB was still CFB. I don’t like the changes either and I don’t think that it helps the Cougs, but it won’t be the end of CFB.

 

[spongeandshoot]

Every time you write "3.5 star", a kitten dies. It's one of the stupidest things ever written on this board....and that says a lot. Please stop.

You are only 72.375% to 100.35% correct.

 

[mikalalas]

Mk

I also don't think we will see a huge migration of WSU top football talent head to other schools because they can provided them with more money through NIL deals. What is a guaranteed starting role at a P5 team worth? Would one transfer to compete for a starting position for $6000? $10,000? $20,000? Maybe someone with a young family with little financial support or some simular situation, but I would think it would also need to be a combination of the new schools proximity to family, a better team fit/scheme, a higher profile school and the individuals belief that he would be a starter at the new schoool, that would be as big if not a bigger deciding factor to changing school. For most athletes anyway.
How i see it hurting our recruiting the most is with incoming transfers. Such as WSU and Houston offers the same transfer, but Houston can land the recruit $10,000 in NIL money.

So you and the minority of others think that:

Drew Bledsoe, Ryan Leaf, Jerome Harrison, Reuben Mayes, Steve Brousard, Tim Rosenbach, Jason Gesser, Marcus Trufant, Jeremy Williams, Champ Simmons, Bumpus, Devard Darling, Gabe Marks, Tay Martin, Jamire Calvin, JDL, etc, past WSU 3,4,5 star, players, some prominent, famous WSU stars, pros, etc, would have come to WSU as HS recruits, or as College Transfer Recruits, under NIL, Transfer Portal COMBINED, etc?

You dont think those WSU players, stars, would have left to a big time College for big time NIL money, COMBINED with the Transfer Portal, if they were big time producing stars like Bledsoe, etc?

If you answer that you think WSU would still get those players, an that those players wouldnt transfer because of NIL, Transfer Portal COMBINED, etc.

If you say that, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[Coug90]

So you and the minority of others think that:

Drew Bledsoe, Ryan Leaf, Jerome Harrison, Reuben Mayes, Steve Brousard, Tim Rosenbach, Jason Gesser, Marcus Trufant, Jeremy Williams, Champ Simmons, Bumpus, Devard Darling, Gabe Marks, Tay Martin, Jamire Calvin, JDL, etc, past WSU 3,4,5 star, players, some prominent, famous WSU stars, pros, etc, would have come to WSU as HS recruits, or as College Transfer Recruits, under NIL, Transfer Portal COMBINED, etc?

You dont think those WSU players, stars, would have left to a big time College for big time NIL money, COMBINED with the Transfer Portal, if they were big time producing stars like Bledsoe, etc?

If you answer that you think WSU would still get those players, an that those players wouldnt transfer because of NIL, Transfer Portal COMBINED, etc.

If you say that, I have a bridge to sell you.

I think it’s dangerous to make assumptions about what specific athletes would have done. Who’s to say UW didn’t offer some of these guys fruit baskets out of high school and they told them to shove it. Like I said, this stuff was going down in the 80s big time, and the Cougs still recruited some great players. I dont like the new landscape either and don’t think it’s good for the sport, but I don’t think it’s fair to say every great coug player would have bolted to another school if they could have made $10K slinging used cars for a booster.

 

[roses04]

It's hard to say what is going to happen but you have about 30 big money schools WSU can't compete with and hasn't for years, then there are the next 20 that have money, which WSU has been able to compete with, because those teams either don't win consistently, had coaching turnover or other issues, so some WSU coaches have been successful selling the system, the school, the life style, I think Leach did a great job of this. Those schools, the 31-50, with money, will have far more impact than the top 30, WSU rarely beat them out to begin with. In the end whoever is paying these marketing dollars is going to expect some type of return, such as increased sales, in most colleges, however there are about 10 schools that don't care, because money is not a problem. I don't profess to know how exactly how many stars are assigned to x number of high school players, but if there are 50 recruits on a roster that play and get paid, and 50 schools ahead of us, that's 2500 players that go somewhere else. So each year there are about 25 recruits per team or 1250 recruits that sign with the top 50 schools and WSU has to land the rest and use the transfer portal.

Unfortunately things in college football will change, and WSU may not be in a power 5 conference much longer, indirectly I see college football turning out to be like minor league baseball, but the colleges are paying for it. So Triple A, will be the top 30 schools, Double A will be 31-60, A ball is 61-100, and short A is the rest. Players will move up the ranks through the transfer portal, and also for those 4 stars that aren't in the 2 deeps, the transfer portal will be used to move down for playing time, ad money is nice, but it doesn't get you to the NFL, playin time does. I just hope WSU can maintain a double A team.

 

[mikalalas]

I think it’s dangerous to make assumptions about what specific athletes would have done. Who’s to say UW didn’t offer some of these guys fruit baskets out of high school and they told them to shove it. Like I said, this stuff was going down in the 80s big time, and the Cougs still recruited some great players. I dont like the new landscape either and don’t think it’s good for the sport, but I don’t think it’s fair to say every great coug player would have bolted to another school if they could have made $10K slinging used cars for a booster.

Maybe those specific players would goto WSU and not transfer, and not go for more money.

But in GENERAL TERMS, those TYPE OF WSU 3,4,5 STAR RECRUITS, that would, do, will go to WSU in the PRE COMBINED NIL/TRANSFER PORTAL times, USUALLY will NOT goto WSU, Transfer from WSU, DURING NIL/TRANSFER PORTAL, and will instead goto a BIG TIME COLLEGE for BIG TIME money($60,000+(Not 6000)(Bledsoe who was a 5 star WSU HS recruit,#1 recruit in the entire nation, an or at least the #1 HS QB in the entire nation, would have easily gotten about $50k to $100k to $150k NIL money at the right college)(Yeah Right, Bledsoe would have said no to $50k to $100k to $150k in NIL money, and instead gone to WSU for ZERO to $300 NIL at WSU)

 

[Coug90]

Maybe those specific players would goto WSU and not transfer, and not go for more money.

But in GENERAL TERMS, those TYPE OF WSU 3,4,5 STAR RECRUITS, that would, do, will go to WSU in the PRE COMBINED NIL/TRANSFER PORTAL times, USUALLY will NOT goto WSU, Transfer from WSU, DURING NIL/TRANSFER PORTAL, and will instead goto a BIG TIME COLLEGE for BIG TIME money($60,000+(Not 6000)(Bledsoe who was a 5 star WSU HS recruit,#1 recruit in the entire nation, an or at least the #1 HS QB in the entire nation, would have easily gotten about $50k to $100k to $150k NIL money at the right college)(Yeah Right, Bledsoe would have said no to $50k to $100k to $150k in NIL money, and instead gone to WSU for ZERO to $300 NIL at WSU)

Bledsoe’s probably not your best example here. Considering he was the #1 pick and played over a decade in the NFL it’s easy to say in hindsight if he had the chance to leave WSU and go somewhere else to sell Polaroid cameras or be the spokesperson for Radio Shack it might not have been a wise decision. Would he have? Who knows, I’m not gonna say for certain he would though and you don’t know that either!

 

[mikalalas]

Bledsoe’s probably not your best example here. Considering he was the #1 pick and played over a decade in the NFL it’s easy to say in hindsight if he had the chance to leave WSU and go somewhere else to sell Polaroid cameras or be the spokesperson for Radio Shack it might not have been a wise decision. Would he have? Who knows, I’m not gonna say for certain he would though and you don’t know that either!

Drew Bledsoe's NFL is irrelevant to the point.

The point is he was a FIVE STAR, NUMBER 1 HS QB IN ENTIRE NATION COMING OUT OF HIGHSCHOOL, and maybe even probably #1 HS recruit in nation coming out of HS ON PAPER.

That type of recruit, whether they are Sam, Fred, Joe, Bob, etc, whether they got, went to WSU like Bledsoe or somewhere else, that type of recruit can easily get, command, be worth $50k, to $100k, to $150k, at the right college, before even touching a field, in practice, game, etc.

Those type of players won't goto WSU because of NIL. They are not going to TURN DOWN that kind of NIL money to goto WSU.

Some make the point that those type of players don't goto WSU period, NIL or No Nil.

Bledsoe is proof that those type of players do goto WSU pre NIL.

And it's not just those 5 star types.

4 stars can easily get about $17k to $43k to $73k at the right college.

Those 4 stars are not going to turn down that kind of money to play at WSU.

Remember this is not the ILLEGAL, WRONG, IMMORAL, RULE BREAKING money of the 80's. Some will turn that kind of money down.

This NIL money is LEGIT, LEGAL, WITHIN THE RULES, MORAL, ETC. MOST of these type of players are not going to turn that kind of big time LEGIT money down.

WSU gets about 1,2,3 of these type of 4 stars per class of 25 on average.(PRE NIL).

That's going to change POST NIL to maybe getting 1 4 star every about 3 to 10 years because 1 4 star did strangely say no to the NIL money.

That's a significant decrease to go from 1,2,3 4 stars per year to 1 4 star per 3 to 10 years, all due to NIL.

Then there are the HIGH ended 3 stars, or those on the border, CUSP of being a 3 star or 4 star, where some recruit ranking services say they are a 4 star, and some say they are a 3 star.

Those types are 3.5 star players.

WSU gets a LOT of those. About 3,4,5 per class of 25 per year.

3.5 stars can get about $10k to $20k to $30k in NIL money at the right college.

They are not going to say no to that kind of money to goto wSU.

WSU is going to go from 6 3.5 stars a year to 1 3.5 star every 1,2,3,4 years, which would be a significant decrease