National Title game

[Coug90]

Question and comment

when did they go to two weeks between semis and final? Seems really late to have the game. Sorta anticlimactic.

The PAC 12 reffing this game is going to be a catastrophe. Anyone who thought calls from Clemson and OSU were bad....Let’s take the most inept jokers on the planet and speed the game up to a level they’ve never seen before...what could go wrong?

 

[chugspig]

I don’t have many people on list who I’d like to meet in a dark alley outside of a bar and exchange swings with, but that (for lack of a better way to describe him) Asian head official for the Pac12 is one dude I would love to catch. I can’t count how many shit tier calls he’s been a part of that I can remember. Add Mike Mothershed and the line judge at Cal who went after our coaching staff.

 

[WASH ST A&M FAN]

I read an article last week online (I’ll try to find it) but it was basically saying the Rose Bowl is holding the Playoff & other bowls hostage from moving forward. The Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, & Cotton are ready to start new traditions, But the Grand Daddy is the biggest hurdle in this whole thing moving changing. It went on to say..... for What? To have a 2nd Place Wisconsin Big10 team (that was probably #3 in reality with Penn St better but on the wrong division) that was far inferior to champ Ohio St play vs the Weak Pac12 Conference & their “champ”. Article was written outta Vegas, so no real regional agenda. Just the truth as to why we can’t move forward.

 

[Coug90]

I read an article last week online (I’ll try to find it) but it was basically saying the Rose Bowl is holding the Playoff & other bowls hostage from moving forward. The Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, & Cotton are ready to start new traditions, But the Grand Daddy is the biggest hurdle in this whole thing moving changing. It went on to say..... for What? To have a 2nd Place Wisconsin Big10 team (that was probably #3 in reality with Penn St better but on the wrong division) that was far inferior to champ Ohio St play vs the Weak Pac12 Conference & their “champ”. Article was written outta Vegas, so no real regional agenda. Just the truth as to why we can’t move forward.

Interesting. I just find it odd that there’s 1. A bunch of lower tier bowls after the Jan 1 games and 2. The NCG is so late...why two weeks + why not THIS Monday? If you’re doing it right you make the Jan 1 games the grand finale with the NC game the following Monday as the showcase game.

 

[Coug90]

I don’t have many people on list who I’d like to meet in a dark alley outside of a bar and exchange swings with, but that (for lack of a better way to describe him) Asian head official for the Pac12 is one dude I would love to catch. I can’t count how many shit tier calls he’s been a part of that I can remember. Add Mike Mothershed and the line judge at Cal who went after our coaching staff.

Agree, that guy is awful and has F’d up some pretty important games for us over the past 5 years.

 

[TrumpCoug]

Agree, that guy is awful and has F’d up some pretty important games for us over the past 5 years.

Kevin Mar.....he is AWFUL! He used to butcher games in the Mountain West prior to becoming the first Asian American referee for the Pac 12 in 2017. The rest of the nation is about to be introduced to this ass clown.

 

[SDCoug]

I read an article last week online (I’ll try to find it) but it was basically saying the Rose Bowl is holding the Playoff & other bowls hostage from moving forward. The Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, & Cotton are ready to start new traditions, But the Grand Daddy is the biggest hurdle in this whole thing moving changing. It went on to say..... for What? To have a 2nd Place Wisconsin Big10 team (that was probably #3 in reality with Penn St better but on the wrong division) that was far inferior to champ Ohio St play vs the Weak Pac12 Conference & their “champ”. Article was written outta Vegas, so no real regional agenda. Just the truth as to why we can’t move forward.

Tough to buy that when there has been exactly one week since the last game and it’s Saturday today. My guess is that ESPN and the media wanted a full two weeks of having something more to talk about.

College football has jumped the shark. I’m only watching Pac-12, BiG Sky, and Montana high school football from here out. Nothing else. I just don’t care what happens beyond that anymore.

 

[metprof]

It'll be fine fellas. Woody's manning the replay booth.

Someone please tell me why he wasn't fired?

 

[metprof]

Kevin Mar.....he is AWFUL! He used to butcher games in the Mountain West prior to becoming the first Asian American referee for the Pac 12 in 2017. The rest of the nation is about to be introduced to this ass clown.

The Jay Strickertz (sp) of our time.

 

[dgibbons]

It'll be fine fellas. Woody's manning the replay booth.

Someone please tell me why he wasn't fired?

And Larry’s flying in on the private jet to give a post game presser about improvements being made in officiating.

 

[Coug90]

Tough to buy that when there has been exactly one week since the last game and it’s Saturday today. My guess is that ESPN and the media wanted a full two weeks of having something more to talk about.

College football has jumped the shark. I’m only watching Pac-12, BiG Sky, and Montana high school football from here out. Nothing else. I just don’t care what happens beyond that anymore.

It’s ok ESPNs making up for it by letting us listen to Boogar McFarland during the opening playoff game.

 

[GrayOnGray]

I'd love to see a 30-for-30 on the stuffed suits at ESPN who years ago came up with the plan to NFLize college football. They probably really believed they were contributing to the sport since more money, to them means more success and therefore "more better." Wouldn't be surprised if they would broadcast this if they thought they could make enough money.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I'd love to see a 30-for-30 on the stuffed suits at ESPN who years ago came up with the plan to NFLize college football. They probably really believed they were contributing to the sport since more money, to them means more success and therefore "more better." Wouldn't be surprised if they would broadcast this if they thought they could make enough money.

Someone would have to get clipped before the true story on that Coup gets released.

The increasingly stretched out schedule of all post seasons in the last 15 years, I think is what lead to my initial lack of viewing. At some point it got to the point that the schedules were so random that I would forget there was even a finals series, or bowl games, or whatever. I missed them on accident at first and it was annoying. Then I just stopped watching all together. It has to be so they can try to ramp up the hype train as much as possible right? It also gives them a bunch of extra program fodder for all the sports talk shows.

 

[chipdouglas]

Agree that two weeks is too long and that low-level bowl games being held after is nonsensical.

Suspect that a lot of this is trying to squeeze more blood out of the CFB rock, keep national interest longer and longer and longer, and also cherrypick TV spots so they're competing with as little as possible.

I also read that CFB games are taking about a half-hour longer than they were 15-20 years ago. Part of that is due to more passing, but an undeniable part is all the commercials and injuries etc.

In 2017 the Atlantic wrote an interesting article about the bottom dropping out on college admissions. In that year, college enrollment had declined for a 5th straight year. This year likely makes 8, and you've seen schools like Evergreen State forced to make adjustments to keep the unsustainable scam going. This happened in law schools years ago. But add to that declining participation in youth sports globally, concern about impacts of football specifically, and it's hard not to see a bubble. Fewer kids with lower interest in sports, parents blocking football participation. Fewer people going to the movies, so to speak, and the solution has been to turn them into 3 hours with intermission etc.

 

[dgibbons]

Agree that two weeks is too long and that low-level bowl games being held after is nonsensical.

Suspect that a lot of this is trying to squeeze more blood out of the CFB rock, keep national interest longer and longer and longer, and also cherrypick TV spots so they're competing with as little as possible.

I also read that CFB games are taking about a half-hour longer than they were 15-20 years ago. Part of that is due to more passing, but an undeniable part is all the commercials and injuries etc.

In 2017 the Atlantic wrote an interesting article about the bottom dropping out on college admissions. In that year, college enrollment had declined for a 5th straight year. This year likely makes 8, and you've seen schools like Evergreen State forced to make adjustments to keep the unsustainable scam going. This happened in law schools years ago. But add to that declining participation in youth sports globally, concern about impacts of football specifically, and it's hard not to see a bubble. Fewer kids with lower interest in sports, parents blocking football participation. Fewer people going to the movies, so to speak, and the solution has been to turn them into 3 hours with intermission etc.

There is also the “enrollment cliff.” Birthrates plummeted during the recession, so that means less college students 18 years later.

 

[CougPatrol]

If they’re going to wait 2 weeks, then they should at least play the semifinal games before Christmas so the players can enjoy the Holiday Break.

 

[chipdouglas]

There is also the “enrollment cliff.” Birthrates plummeted during the recession, so that means less college students 18 years later.

Yeah that's part of what I was trying to get at, which the article mentions:

For two decades, college enrollment grew and grew, bolstered by the coming-of-age of the enormous Millennial generation. But today, the number of young people going to college is in decline. It’s not that today’s teenagers hate higher education; the share of recent high school graduates going on to college has barely budged. Instead, there are simply fewer recent high school grads overall, due to declining birth rates. More than half of colleges and universities say their number of students has declined.​

 

[GrayOnGray]

Yeah that's part of what I was trying to get at, which the article mentions:

For two decades, college enrollment grew and grew, bolstered by the coming-of-age of the enormous Millennial generation. But today, the number of young people going to college is in decline. It’s not that today’s teenagers hate higher education; the share of recent high school graduates going on to college has barely budged. Instead, there are simply fewer recent high school grads overall, due to declining birth rates. More than half of colleges and universities say their number of students has declined.​

Not a registered voter here (don' get me started on that), but I think this is an example of why, despite what is said in sound bites, immigration has increased so much. Big push in the high schools and colleges to send undocumented kids to college, (as well as recruiting international students who pay out-of-state tuition). Plus, the needed tax dollars to fund boomer Social Security.

 

[425cougfan]

Not a registered voter here (don' get me started on that), but I think this is an example of why, despite what is said in sound bites, immigration has increased so much. Big push in the high schools and colleges to send undocumented kids to college, (as well as recruiting international students who pay out-of-state tuition). Plus, the needed tax dollars to fund boomer Social Security.

Yes, we essentially are the only western democracy that is projected to grow--and to have GDP growth--over the next couple decades, and that's why. Of course, there are different types of immigration, notwithstanding how it's portrayed by certain outlets and voices.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Not a registered voter here (don' get me started on that), but I think this is an example of why, despite what is said in sound bites, immigration has increased so much. Big push in the high schools and colleges to send undocumented kids to college, (as well as recruiting international students who pay out-of-state tuition). Plus, the needed tax dollars to fund boomer Social Security.

Immigration issues run far deeper than that. The thing that people fail to understand is that the United States was built on the manual labor of immigrants and that nothing has changed except the race of the immigrants that we despise. Chinese, Irish, Japanese and Vietnamese immigrants were all considered villainous at one point or another. Mexicans are just the latest version of that discrimination. Of course, Africans brought to the United States against their will and used as slaves are the one group that's had the pleasure of being used and then abused for the longest time. The need for low cost manual labor has led to immigration in our country since it's founding. We all want the benefits of these people's labor but we don't want to treat them as human beings. Some of the nuances have changed but the underlying idea that it's ok for us to use and abuse the poor of other nations for profit is long running.

If anything, the desire of the Democratic Party to educate and indoctrinate the poor is one of the first times that racial discrimination might work out to actually help racial minorities in a way that might enact real change. It isn't without cost and that's where even supporters of the idea start to cringe. That's a discussion for a different board.

Rant done.

 

[chipdouglas]

Not a registered voter here (don' get me started on that), but I think this is an example of why, despite what is said in sound bites, immigration has increased so much. Big push in the high schools and colleges to send undocumented kids to college, (as well as recruiting international students who pay out-of-state tuition). Plus, the needed tax dollars to fund boomer Social Security.

My brother recently left a program within WA schools (federal grant) aiming to steer pretty much EVERYONE into college, with an unofficial - but very dedicated - mission of targeting first- and second-generation immigrants. When your parents work in agriculture to put food on the table and your post-scholarship debt is $75k for a degree with a negative ROI, you're talking about "Big Short" kinds of problems and perverse incentives.

All I know is I paid a lot for my degree at WSU (even more for UGA out of state), and the costs today have more than doubled while the ROI has been cut in half. No way when my kid is college age do I expect things to be the same as when I went, or even now.

 

[chipdouglas]

Question and comment

when did they go to two weeks between semis and final? Seems really late to have the game. Sorta anticlimactic.

The PAC 12 reffing this game is going to be a catastrophe. Anyone who thought calls from Clemson and OSU were bad....Let’s take the most inept jokers on the planet and speed the game up to a level they’ve never seen before...what could go wrong?

FYI, talking to a friend on this and they thought it's not CFB trying to stretch things out, it's more when the dates fall on the calendar this year, especially relative to everything else. Not sure if that is true.

 

[425cougfan]

FYI, talking to a friend on this and they thought it's not CFB trying to stretch things out, it's more when the dates fall on the calendar this year, especially relative to everything else. Not sure if that is true.

Here's an article on it: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/spo...0200106-zukmu3uvmrghxbuycf7nhk4xqi-story.html