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Nickel packages and spread offenses

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At first, the idea of 3 safeties and two CB's on the field, with a safety subbing for your slowest OLB, seems like a no brainer for defending the typical spread team…or even the typical read option team, as far as that goes.

What do you give up as a D when you do that? If you are subbing for your slowest OLB, it is probably also your biggest OLB, so maybe something like 20+ pounds. The benefits of the speed are easy to see. What about the downside? "From this chair", to quote the latest grossly overused trite-ism from Brand X, my concerns would be:

- A safety may be easier for a WR to block.
- A safety would have a tougher time taking on a TE if a TE were in the game.
- Losing your bigger OLB suggests that an off tackle run should work better if you have the O line to do that…more of a concern against a good read option team than a spread team, but true for both.

I would not call it a concern, but it seems to me that you would probably be in a 4 man front in most nickel situations. That might mean subbing a 4 man front DE type into the game for our normal DE, and probably putting the Buck on the LOS.

I'm not sure that a nickel really gives up anything from a "between the tackles" running standpoint, and on a sweep the speed benefit would seem to be as important as the lesser ability to take on a blocker, so it is only off tackle runs that seem like an issue. For a lot of spread teams, you almost want to cheat in favor of pass coverage and try to force a few more running plays, so maybe that is not a bad thing. I think you might say the same for a read option team if your D line was good, but the nickel probably puts a bit bigger premium on getting good D line play.

Just my $0.02, but I can see at least 3-4 PAC teams where a well run nickel might pay some real benefits. And if the package is oriented toward blitzing with a safety instead of one of the two remaining LB's, it might even have some pass pressure benefits. High risk/potential high reward, but certainly something to worry an offensive coordinator.
 
Arizona played a permanent nickel, had strong safety type playing their WLB, and ran a 3 man front all last year. In other words they play 5 DB and a swing DB on every down. Their starters held us to 282 passing yards and only 16 points through 3 quarters, in building a 52-16 lead. We scored 21 and run up 232 yard in the 4th quarter, but it was probably (not sure) against their scrubs, as the game was well in hand at that point. This was by all accounts an undermanned team going into the season last year and they found a way to make it work.

Let's face it, the writing is on the wall, with spread and up tempo offenses, if you run a traditional defense, and aren't uber fast at LB and DB, you are going to get lit up. Their is just too much space to cover and too little time to recover between plays. The Cougs and Cal were prime examples.

It is my hope that Grinch is given free reign and carte blanche to reinvent our defense to address the practical realities of modern offenses. It is pretty clear the Cougs need more speed on the field if they want to slow teams down. We don't have any Fields/Smith types with size and speed to play LB. The next best option is to replace size with speed, and hope for the best. The only thing that is certain, what we did in the past failed.
 
Would be nice to see a guy like Dotson step up and play that hybrid lb safety roll. Not sure how his development is going but he certainly has the combo of size/speed that would be a great addition to a defense needing to slow down spread offenses.
 
Originally posted by Coug90:
Would be nice to see a guy like Dotson step up and play that hybrid lb safety roll. Not sure how his development is going but he certainly has the combo of size/speed that would be a great addition to a defense needing to slow down spread offenses.
Dotson was in line to start last year before he was injured in fall camp. So far, he is running with the one's playing free safety. The upgrade in talent with the DB's should really begin to show this season. Will they still make mistakes? Of course, they are all still very young. But, with Dotson, Singleton and when he gets here, Shalom Luani, we shall see the most athletic safety's that we have had in a while.
 
Amen to that, 1990.

If we have a full complement of good safeties, the nickel would work well against most teams in the league. Maybe not Stanford and possibly not UCLA or USC, but beyond that group we can get it done with the right athletes. And I'm not ready to give up on our getting some quicker OLB's that can mix in, as well.
 
Amen to that, 1990.

If we have a full complement of good safeties, the nickel would work well against most teams in the league. Maybe not Stanford and possibly not UCLA or USC, but beyond that group we can get it done with the right athletes. And I'm not ready to give up on our getting some quicker OLB's that can mix in, as well.
 
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