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Now it appears that will have to apply to NY State Attorney General Letitia James. Her Royal Highness has now been referred to the US DOJ for mortgage fraud, making false statements on financial documents. Anyone remember her prosecuting someone for those crimes? Maybe karma is coming home to roost?

This may be fun to watch......
 
Now it appears that will have to apply to NY State Attorney General Letitia James. Her Royal Highness has now been referred to the US DOJ for mortgage fraud, making false statements on financial documents. Anyone remember her prosecuting someone for those crimes? Maybe karma is coming home to roost?

This may be fun to watch......
Yeah!! Let’s go after the jury next!!
 
The documents she signed look pretty damning. We'll see how it goes.

Why, did they also commit fraud?
No but they convicted Trump…an even bigger crime!! Go after their families and kids too! F’ em!!! Unpatriotic, probably should be deported!!
 
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What documents did she sign?
A few things for your reading pleasure.


https://nypost.com/2025/04/15/opini...al-estate-shenanigans-she-charged-trump-with/

https://pjmedia.com/athena-thorne/2...titia-james-is-in-a-world-of-trouble-n4938806

Here is an interesting question.......if it is proven that she claimed a residence outside of New York as her primary residence, will that disqualify her from holding the AG position, thus invalidating the prosecutions she did during that time?
 
The documents she signed look pretty damning. We'll see how it goes.

Why, did they also commit fraud?
Depends when she purchased... was in last two years ? That will dictate if the second home was more expensive in terms of interest rates .

Was it a second home?

Also, you cant claim a five unit is a four unit. There is a title policy .

But as Trump said... the banks got their money so no harm no foul.
 
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Now it appears that will have to apply to NY State Attorney General Letitia James. Her Royal Highness has now been referred to the US DOJ for mortgage fraud, making false statements on financial documents. Anyone remember her prosecuting someone for those crimes? Maybe karma is coming home to roost?

This may be fun to watch......
Nobody except Trump. The Supreme Court says so.
 
Now it appears that will have to apply to NY State Attorney General Letitia James. Her Royal Highness has now been referred to the US DOJ for mortgage fraud, making false statements on financial documents. Anyone remember her prosecuting someone for those crimes? Maybe karma is coming home to roost?

This may be fun to watch......
Is your point that it's just ironic in general? I'd grant you that if she had engaged in criminal behavior herself it would be sad and ironic.

If you point is that Trump is not a criminal or otherwise should not have been prosecuted then I can't get on board.
 
Nobody except Trump. The Supreme Court says so.
Yes. It was really something when Biden lost an appeal on student loan forgiveness to the Supreme Court and called an immediate press conference to announce he was going to forgive loans anyway.

That was bad precedent.
 
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A few things for your reading pleasure.


https://nypost.com/2025/04/15/opini...al-estate-shenanigans-she-charged-trump-with/

https://pjmedia.com/athena-thorne/2...titia-james-is-in-a-world-of-trouble-n4938806

Here is an interesting question.......if it is proven that she claimed a residence outside of New York as her primary residence, will that disqualify her from holding the AG position, thus invalidating the prosecutions she did during that time?
News Flash... Nothing there .

And let's say she defrauded the mortgage company... the damages would be 10k.
 
Depends when she purchased... was in last two years ? That will dictate if the second home was more expensive in terms of interest rates .

Was it a second home?

Also, you cant claim a five unit is a four unit. There is a a title policy .

But as Trump said... the banks got their money so mo harm no foul.
Well, Ed, you’re wrong again. Why am I not surprised?

Below is a detailed breakdown of the **federal** and **state** penalties in **Washington** for defrauding a mortgage company while attempting to obtain a mortgage loan, based on applicable laws and available information.

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### **Federal Penalties for Mortgage Fraud in Washington**

Mortgage fraud involving federally insured financial institutions (e.g., banks insured by the FDIC, or loans backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or FHA) is typically prosecuted under federal law. Common statutes include:

- **18 U.S.C. § 1014**: False statements to a financial institution.
- **18 U.S.C. § 1341/1343**: Mail or wire fraud (often used when fraud involves interstate communications or electronic transactions).
- **18 U.S.C. § 1344**: Bank fraud.

#### **Penalties**
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **30 years in federal prison** per count for violations of § 1014, § 1341, § 1343, or § 1344. The actual sentence depends on factors like the amount of loss, the defendant’s role, and criminal history, as determined by the **Federal Sentencing Guidelines**.
- For example, a fraud causing a loss of $100,000–$400,000 could add 12–18 months to the base sentence under the Guidelines.
- **Fines**: Up to **$1 million** per count, or twice the gross gain/loss caused by the fraud, whichever is greater.
- **Restitution**: Courts typically order repayment of the full amount defrauded to the mortgage company or other victims.
- **Supervised Release**: Post-prison supervision for **1–5 years**, depending on the offense severity.
- **Asset Forfeiture**: Assets gained through fraud (e.g., property, bank accounts) may be seized.
- **Civil Penalties**: Victims may pursue civil lawsuits, with no cap on damages.

#### **Additional Federal Considerations**
- **Jurisdiction**: Federal prosecutors in Washington (Western or Eastern District) handle these cases if the fraud involves federally insured institutions or crosses state lines.
- **Sentencing Factors**: Sentences may increase if the fraud targeted vulnerable victims (e.g., elderly), involved sophisticated means, or caused significant financial harm. Cooperation with authorities can reduce penalties.
- **Collateral Consequences**: A federal conviction may result in loss of professional licenses (e.g., for real estate brokers), restricted loan eligibility, and a permanent criminal record affecting employment.

For more details, refer to the U.S. Department of Justice website (justice.gov) or the **Federal Sentencing Guidelines** (available at ussc.gov).

---

### **State Penalties for Mortgage Fraud in Washington**

In Washington, mortgage fraud is addressed under state laws, primarily through statutes related to theft, fraud, or specific mortgage fraud provisions. The most relevant laws include:

- **RCW 9A.60.010 et seq.**: Fraud-related offenses, such as obtaining property by false pretenses.
- **RCW 9A.56.020**: Theft, which can apply if fraud results in wrongful acquisition of funds.
- **RCW 19.144.080**: Washington’s Mortgage Fraud statute, which prohibits misrepresentations in mortgage transactions.

Mortgage fraud is typically prosecuted as **theft** or **fraud**, with penalties depending on the value of the property or money involved.

#### **Penalties**
Penalties are based on Washington’s classification of crimes (Class A, B, or C felonies, or misdemeanors) under **RCW 9A.20.021** and the value of the fraud under **RCW 9A.56**.

1. **First-Degree Theft (RCW 9A.56.030)** – If the value exceeds **$5,000** (common in mortgage fraud due to loan amounts):
- **Classification**: Class B felony.
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **7 years** in state prison.
- **Fines**: Up to **$20,000**.
- **Restitution**: Mandatory repayment to the victim (e.g., mortgage company).

2. **Second-Degree Theft (RCW 9A.56.040)** – If the value is between **$750 and $5,000**:
- **Classification**: Class C felony.
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **5 years** in state prison.
- **Fines**: Up to **$10,000**.
- **Restitution**: Required.

3. **Third-Degree Theft (RCW 9A.56.050)** – If the value is **$750 or less** (rare in mortgage fraud):
- **Classification**: Gross misdemeanor.
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **364 days** in county jail.
- **Fines**: Up to **$5,000**.
- **Restitution**: Required.

4. **Mortgage Fraud (RCW 19.144.080)** – Misrepresentations in mortgage transactions:
- **Classification**: Can be charged as a felony (Class B or C, depending on the scale) or misdemeanor, based on intent and harm.
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **7 years** for felony-level offenses.
- **Fines**: Vary, often up to **$20,000** for felonies.
- **Civil Penalties**: The Washington Department of Financial Institutions (DFI) may impose fines or revoke licenses for professionals (e.g., mortgage brokers).

#### **Sentencing Considerations**
- **Washington Sentencing Guidelines**: Sentences depend on the defendant’s **offender score** (based on criminal history) and the offense’s **seriousness level**. For example, first-degree theft (seriousness level II) with no prior convictions may result in **0–90 days** for a first-time offender, but higher scores increase prison time.
- **Aggravating Factors**: Penalties may increase if the fraud involved vulnerable victims, a pattern of fraud, or significant financial harm.
- **Restitution**: Courts prioritize victim compensation, which can be substantial in mortgage fraud cases.
- **Professional Consequences**: Real estate or mortgage professionals may face license suspension/revocation by the DFI under **RCW 19.144.100**.

#### **Collateral Consequences**
- A state conviction can limit future loan eligibility, restrict employment (especially in finance or real estate), and damage credit.
- Civil lawsuits from the mortgage company or other victims may result in additional financial liability.

For more details, see the **Revised Code of Washington** (available at app.leg.wa.gov/RCW) or the Washington State Department of Financial Institutions (dfi.wa.gov).

---

### **Key Differences Between Federal and State Penalties**
- **Severity**: Federal penalties are generally harsher, with longer prison terms (up to 30 years vs. 7 years) and higher fines (up to $1 million vs. $20,000).
- **Jurisdiction**: Federal cases involve federally insured institutions or interstate activity, while state cases focus on local transactions or violations of Washington law.
- **Prosecution**: Federal cases are handled by U.S. Attorneys in federal courts (e.g., Western District of Washington in Seattle), while state cases are prosecuted by county prosecutors in superior courts.
- **Resources**: Federal investigations (e.g., by the FBI or HUD-OIG) often have more resources, increasing conviction likelihood.

---

### **Defenses**
Common defenses include:
- **Lack of Intent**: Proving the misrepresentation was an honest mistake (e.g., clerical error) rather than intentional fraud.
- **Insufficient Evidence**: Challenging the prosecution’s proof of material misrepresentation or reliance by the lender.
- **Statute of Limitations**: Federal cases have a 7-year limit for mortgage fraud (18 U.S.C. § 3293); Washington’s limit is typically 3 years for felonies (RCW 9A.04.080).

An experienced criminal defense attorney familiar with federal and Washington state law is critical for building a defense.

---

### **Recommendation**
Mortgage fraud is a serious offense with significant consequences. If you’re under investigation or charged, immediately consult a criminal defense attorney with experience in federal and Washington state fraud cases. For federal law details, visit justice.gov. For state law, check app.leg.wa.gov/RCW or contact the Washington DFI (dfi.wa.gov). Always seek professional legal counsel tailored to your case.

*Note*: This is general information, not legal advice. Penalties depend on case specifics. Consult an attorney for personalized guidance
 
Well, Ed, you’re wrong again. Why am I not surprised?

Below is a detailed breakdown of the **federal** and **state** penalties in **Washington** for defrauding a mortgage company while attempting to obtain a mortgage loan, based on applicable laws and available information.

---

### **Federal Penalties for Mortgage Fraud in Washington**

Mortgage fraud involving federally insured financial institutions (e.g., banks insured by the FDIC, or loans backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or FHA) is typically prosecuted under federal law. Common statutes include:

- **18 U.S.C. § 1014**: False statements to a financial institution.
- **18 U.S.C. § 1341/1343**: Mail or wire fraud (often used when fraud involves interstate communications or electronic transactions).
- **18 U.S.C. § 1344**: Bank fraud.

#### **Penalties**
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **30 years in federal prison** per count for violations of § 1014, § 1341, § 1343, or § 1344. The actual sentence depends on factors like the amount of loss, the defendant’s role, and criminal history, as determined by the **Federal Sentencing Guidelines**.
- For example, a fraud causing a loss of $100,000–$400,000 could add 12–18 months to the base sentence under the Guidelines.
- **Fines**: Up to **$1 million** per count, or twice the gross gain/loss caused by the fraud, whichever is greater.
- **Restitution**: Courts typically order repayment of the full amount defrauded to the mortgage company or other victims.
- **Supervised Release**: Post-prison supervision for **1–5 years**, depending on the offense severity.
- **Asset Forfeiture**: Assets gained through fraud (e.g., property, bank accounts) may be seized.
- **Civil Penalties**: Victims may pursue civil lawsuits, with no cap on damages.

#### **Additional Federal Considerations**
- **Jurisdiction**: Federal prosecutors in Washington (Western or Eastern District) handle these cases if the fraud involves federally insured institutions or crosses state lines.
- **Sentencing Factors**: Sentences may increase if the fraud targeted vulnerable victims (e.g., elderly), involved sophisticated means, or caused significant financial harm. Cooperation with authorities can reduce penalties.
- **Collateral Consequences**: A federal conviction may result in loss of professional licenses (e.g., for real estate brokers), restricted loan eligibility, and a permanent criminal record affecting employment.

For more details, refer to the U.S. Department of Justice website (justice.gov) or the **Federal Sentencing Guidelines** (available at ussc.gov).

---

### **State Penalties for Mortgage Fraud in Washington**

In Washington, mortgage fraud is addressed under state laws, primarily through statutes related to theft, fraud, or specific mortgage fraud provisions. The most relevant laws include:

- **RCW 9A.60.010 et seq.**: Fraud-related offenses, such as obtaining property by false pretenses.
- **RCW 9A.56.020**: Theft, which can apply if fraud results in wrongful acquisition of funds.
- **RCW 19.144.080**: Washington’s Mortgage Fraud statute, which prohibits misrepresentations in mortgage transactions.

Mortgage fraud is typically prosecuted as **theft** or **fraud**, with penalties depending on the value of the property or money involved.

#### **Penalties**
Penalties are based on Washington’s classification of crimes (Class A, B, or C felonies, or misdemeanors) under **RCW 9A.20.021** and the value of the fraud under **RCW 9A.56**.

1. **First-Degree Theft (RCW 9A.56.030)** – If the value exceeds **$5,000** (common in mortgage fraud due to loan amounts):
- **Classification**: Class B felony.
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **7 years** in state prison.
- **Fines**: Up to **$20,000**.
- **Restitution**: Mandatory repayment to the victim (e.g., mortgage company).

2. **Second-Degree Theft (RCW 9A.56.040)** – If the value is between **$750 and $5,000**:
- **Classification**: Class C felony.
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **5 years** in state prison.
- **Fines**: Up to **$10,000**.
- **Restitution**: Required.

3. **Third-Degree Theft (RCW 9A.56.050)** – If the value is **$750 or less** (rare in mortgage fraud):
- **Classification**: Gross misdemeanor.
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **364 days** in county jail.
- **Fines**: Up to **$5,000**.
- **Restitution**: Required.

4. **Mortgage Fraud (RCW 19.144.080)** – Misrepresentations in mortgage transactions:
- **Classification**: Can be charged as a felony (Class B or C, depending on the scale) or misdemeanor, based on intent and harm.
- **Imprisonment**: Up to **7 years** for felony-level offenses.
- **Fines**: Vary, often up to **$20,000** for felonies.
- **Civil Penalties**: The Washington Department of Financial Institutions (DFI) may impose fines or revoke licenses for professionals (e.g., mortgage brokers).

#### **Sentencing Considerations**
- **Washington Sentencing Guidelines**: Sentences depend on the defendant’s **offender score** (based on criminal history) and the offense’s **seriousness level**. For example, first-degree theft (seriousness level II) with no prior convictions may result in **0–90 days** for a first-time offender, but higher scores increase prison time.
- **Aggravating Factors**: Penalties may increase if the fraud involved vulnerable victims, a pattern of fraud, or significant financial harm.
- **Restitution**: Courts prioritize victim compensation, which can be substantial in mortgage fraud cases.
- **Professional Consequences**: Real estate or mortgage professionals may face license suspension/revocation by the DFI under **RCW 19.144.100**.

#### **Collateral Consequences**
- A state conviction can limit future loan eligibility, restrict employment (especially in finance or real estate), and damage credit.
- Civil lawsuits from the mortgage company or other victims may result in additional financial liability.

For more details, see the **Revised Code of Washington** (available at app.leg.wa.gov/RCW) or the Washington State Department of Financial Institutions (dfi.wa.gov).

---

### **Key Differences Between Federal and State Penalties**
- **Severity**: Federal penalties are generally harsher, with longer prison terms (up to 30 years vs. 7 years) and higher fines (up to $1 million vs. $20,000).
- **Jurisdiction**: Federal cases involve federally insured institutions or interstate activity, while state cases focus on local transactions or violations of Washington law.
- **Prosecution**: Federal cases are handled by U.S. Attorneys in federal courts (e.g., Western District of Washington in Seattle), while state cases are prosecuted by county prosecutors in superior courts.
- **Resources**: Federal investigations (e.g., by the FBI or HUD-OIG) often have more resources, increasing conviction likelihood.

---

### **Defenses**
Common defenses include:
- **Lack of Intent**: Proving the misrepresentation was an honest mistake (e.g., clerical error) rather than intentional fraud.
- **Insufficient Evidence**: Challenging the prosecution’s proof of material misrepresentation or reliance by the lender.
- **Statute of Limitations**: Federal cases have a 7-year limit for mortgage fraud (18 U.S.C. § 3293); Washington’s limit is typically 3 years for felonies (RCW 9A.04.080).

An experienced criminal defense attorney familiar with federal and Washington state law is critical for building a defense.

---

### **Recommendation**
Mortgage fraud is a serious offense with significant consequences. If you’re under investigation or charged, immediately consult a criminal defense attorney with experience in federal and Washington state fraud cases. For federal law details, visit justice.gov. For state law, check app.leg.wa.gov/RCW or contact the Washington DFI (dfi.wa.gov). Always seek professional legal counsel tailored to your case.

*Note*: This is general information, not legal advice. Penalties depend on case specifics. Consult an attorney for personalized guidance
Suppose you ever flew on an airplane, would you tell a 30 year pilot they don't know what they are doing if the plane say hit a little turbulence because you read something on the internet.

Take DGibs..say he is an attorney, do you think I would say "I read this on Laura Lunatic's webpage so it is gospel".

This is what happens when your work is looking at various websites. I would suggest a real job for you, and maybe this would give you real world experience.

Thanks for posting all the laws, now I don't have to take my continuing education.

But for those laws to take affect you would have to commit a crime. If she committed a crime everyone who buys a second home committed a crime.
 
Yes. It was really something when Biden lost an appeal on student loan forgiveness to the Supreme Court and called an immediate press conference to announce he was going to forgive loans anyway.

That was bad precedent.
You grossly exaggerate and misrepresent what happened. After the initial attempt at loan relief was overturned Biden literally made such remarks as: "First, I’m announcing today a new path consistent with today’s ruling to provide student debt relief to as many borrowers as possible as quickly as possible.... This new path is legally sound.... I’ve directed my team to move as quickly as possible under the law..... today’s decision has closed one path. Now we’re going to pursue another. " https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.go...-administrations-student-debt-relief-program/

And there has been no subsequent successful legal challenge to his actions. Biden’s administration adapted to the ruling, and gave relief within existing programs while navigating political opposition. Biden showed a deference to the court's ruling in exactly the opposite way a guy who knew he had absolute immunity would do. Hope this helps!
 
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Suppose you ever flew on an airplane, would you tell a 30 year pilot they don't know what they are doing if the plane say hit a little turbulence because you read something on the internet.

Take DGibs..say he is an attorney, do you think I would say "I read this on Laura Lunatic's webpage so it is gospel".

This is what happens when your work is looking at various websites. I would suggest a real job for you, and maybe this would give you real world experience.

Thanks for posting all the laws, now I don't have to take my continuing education.

But for those laws to take affect you would have to commit a crime. If she committed a crime everyone who buys a second home committed a crime.

He is a tweeker that works fast food. He scrubs shitters for a living. You expect too much.
 
Once again, Ed’s off the deep end
Ed’s not the one with his panties in a bunch over some lawyer who nobody would have heard of if she hadn’t prosecuted Trump. You dipshits don’t even care about justice you just want vengeance served on someone who did their job, which happened to be holding Trump accountable and upholding the rule of law.

FWIW if she committed a crime of her own she should be held accountable. I promise you there’s 100 other lawyers across the country who’ve committed more severe crimes than James and you’ll never know their names because you don’t really care about justice. You care about your cult leader.
 
Once again, Ed’s off the deep end
Ok Uber I will bite . What are the three types of "occupancy". What too are similar and which one is totally.

How many people would have to be in on it to allow her to commit fraud, and why would at least four different people allow fraud to occur?

Lastly, tell me about AUS, ans what is a LLPA and what would it be on her loan ?

I will get you started ...First L in LLPA stands for loan.

Now go to chat gbt or Laura Lunatic and see if these answers are posted
 
Ok Uber I will bite . What are the three types of "occupancy". What too are similar and which one is totally.

How many people would have to be in on it to allow her to commit fraud, and why would at least four different people allow fraud to occur?

Lastly, tell me about AUS, ans what is a LLPA and what would it be on her loan ?

I will get you started ...First L in LLPA stands for loan.

Now go to chat gbt or Laura Lunatic and see if these answers are posted
Ed.

I’m sorry grok put you out of business. I really am.

I’m not rooting for it. But, it’s happening.
I’m not going to play your silly little game.

Hope this helps!

Go Cougs!
 
Ed’s not the one with his panties in a bunch over some lawyer who nobody would have heard of if she hadn’t prosecuted Trump. You dipshits don’t even care about justice you just want vengeance served on someone who did their job, which happened to be holding Trump accountable and upholding the rule of law.

FWIW if she committed a crime of her own she should be held accountable. I promise you there’s 100 other lawyers across the country who’ve committed more severe crimes than James and you’ll never know their names because you don’t really care about justice. You care about your cult leader.
I can’t believe we’re really gonna do this. But, here we are. Total distraction. Total energy and money suck, IMO. If Team Trump felt they needed a shiny object, they should have picked a different one. Plenty of other issues to pick from, IMO

The only mild interest I have in her plight at all, is the whole VA residency as it plays with her NY AG gig.

Does Hotchell make a move here and use the opportunity to “Get Her Own Guy in here”? I don’t know. Perhaps.
 
I can’t believe we’re really gonna do this. But, here we are. Total distraction. Total energy and money suck, IMO. If Team Trump felt they needed a shiny object, they should have picked a different one. Plenty of other issues to pick from, IMO

The only mild interest I have in her plight at all, is the whole VA residency as it plays with her NY AG gig.

Does Hotchell make a move here and use the opportunity to “Get Her Own Guy in here”? I don’t know. Perhaps.
A rather refreshing take from you Uber. You may have ceded your presidency in the fan club to stretch. Let’s see if he can remove trumps scrotum from his gullet long enough to offer a similar take. I won’t hold my breath.
 
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