Official Wisconsin vs WSU Prediction thread
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35-7 Wiisconsin.
Too many 3 and outs last week to think we'll put any more points on the board against a stout D
Too many 3 and outs last week to think we'll put any more points on the board against a stout D
35 - 10 Bucky
Could be worse though. Can't fix the problems I saw in the opener in one week and Wiscy is infinitely better than Idaho.
Could be worse though. Can't fix the problems I saw in the opener in one week and Wiscy is infinitely better than Idaho.
I second this score. I think we cover but I don’t trust this offense ever truly threatens their defense. One of those games you lose by 10, but feels like you lost by 4 TDs. Probably a slog of a game with a bunch of punts. We will need some big plays from our defense to have a shot in the 4th quarter.
Cougs win and shock college football, I had dream... well hoping they find a way to keep it close. Spread is 17, hope they find a way to beat that. I still think this team has potential be a good football team, needless to say week one would suggest otherwise. How they bounce back this week win or lose will give us a little more insight.
Coug nation gets a slap-in-the-face reminder of why you don't just shove your DC into the HC job because its quick and convenient and everyone likes him because he's a good guy.
Team with a meme - 34 (BADGER!)
Picked 7th but will finish 11th - 10
btw, thats my tempered prediction. My head is telling me more like 40+ to <10.
Team with a meme - 34 (BADGER!)
Picked 7th but will finish 11th - 10
btw, thats my tempered prediction. My head is telling me more like 40+ to <10.
Something just clicks this week with the offense. Team comes out on fire and rattles the badgers with multiple turnovers.
Cougs 41
Badgers 30
Cougs 41
Badgers 30
Before the prediction:
WSU didn't show up to play vs Idaho. Idaho was a TRAP game. WSU was thinking they were going to EASILY BLOW OUT Idaho as a easy tune up before Wiscy.
WSU's DEFENSE WAS, IS AWESOME. They are not going to lose by more then 10 to 13 to 17 points and they are not going to give up more then about 20 to 23 to 28 points.
Wiscy while great at running the ball, they don't pass it, and WSU's defense is AWESOME vs the run with it's AWESOME DL, LB Corp, front 7. While it's true that WSU's defense might probably get gassed toward end of game, before then defense just fine.
Offense: WSU BEAT WSU, TRIED THEIR DAMNEDEST TO STEAL DEFEAT FROM JAWS OF VICTORY, SHOT THEMSELVES IN FOOT MULTIPLE TIMES. IDAHO DEFENSE WAS NOT GOOD.
OL: The OL actually played well. They pass blocked ok, and they opened up holes for the RB's.
RB's: On one hand the 2 fumbles was terrible. on the other hand the RB's were AWESOME rushing for LOTS of yards, and HIGH YPC.
QB: Ward wasn't terrible. He was SEMI BELOW AVERAGE TO AVERAGE AT BEST.
He threw for about 175 yards and 3, THREE TD's and NO INTERCEPTIONS.
If look at just ONLY that stat line that's a OK stat line.
The biggest problem(s) were not holding onto ball to long, misreads, etc. While those things may have been problems, the BIGGEST PROBLEM is that, 3,4,5,6 times, he had SEMI WIDE OPEN WR's on 3rd DOWNS, that the both OVERTHREW, UNDER THREW, MISSED, etc. IF HE HITS THOSE WR's AND THEN IF THOSE WR's CATCH THE BALL, THATS 3,4,5,6 MORE FIRST DOWNS.
He SHOULD HAVE EASILY HIT THOSE SEMI WIDE OPEN WR's ON 3rd DOWN. He didn't because of FIRST GAME JITTERS, and NOT BEING FOCUSED, NOT SHOWING UP, THINKING THAT GONA BLOW OUT IDAHO, ETC.
WR: The WR 3,4,5,6 times, on 3rd Downs, were semi wide open, AND HAD THE BALL HIT THEM IN HANDS AS EASILY CATCHABLE BALLS AND DROPPED THOSE BALLS.
the wr were not focused, didn't show up to play etc.
WSU SHOT THEMSELVES IN FOOT: 3 FUMBLES + 2 MISSED CHIP SHOT FG's = 5 Turnovers.
Take away those 5 Turnovers, and that about 9 points: 2 FG's, and WSU probably converts 1 of 3 Turnovers into a TD or FG.
If Cam hits those 3,4,5,6 easy to hit WR on 3rd downs, then that would be about 3,4,5,6 more FIRST DOWN's and about 1/3 of those would have led to another TD or FG, for about 6 more points.
If the WR had CAUGHT not dropped the 3,4,5,6 EASILY CATCHABLE passes that hit them in hands on 3rd downs, then that's about 3,4,5,6 more FIRST DOWNS, and about 1/3 of those would have resulted in 1 TD or FG's, for about 6 more points.
WSU WOULD HAVE SCORED ABOUT 20+ POINTS MORE IF THEY HAD NOT SHOT THEMSELVES IN FOOT.
THE SCORE WOULD HAVE BEEN 44 TO 17, and NOBODY would have said that WSU played badly, that Idaho supposedly played well when Idaho didn't play well as WSU almost BEAT WSU, as Idaho did NOT almost beat WSU.
3 to 6 to 9 plays on offense where WSU shot THEMSELVES IN FOOT, was the difference between 24 to 17 and 44 to 17.
So WSU didn't show up to play, etc.
Prediction time.
If WSU doesn't show up, doesn't focus, etc:
BEST CASE: Wisconsin 39 - WSU 17
Worst Case: Wiscy 59 - WSU 9
If WSU shows up, focuses, etc.
Best case: WSU 30 to Wiscy 23 type of score.
Worst Case: Wiscy 33 to WSU 20 type of score.
Average, etc. Wiscy 30 to WSU 29 type of score.
If WSU shows up, focuses it will be a close game that WSU loses.
If WSU does not show up, etc, WSU gets semi blown out.
WSU didn't show up to play vs Idaho. Idaho was a TRAP game. WSU was thinking they were going to EASILY BLOW OUT Idaho as a easy tune up before Wiscy.
WSU's DEFENSE WAS, IS AWESOME. They are not going to lose by more then 10 to 13 to 17 points and they are not going to give up more then about 20 to 23 to 28 points.
Wiscy while great at running the ball, they don't pass it, and WSU's defense is AWESOME vs the run with it's AWESOME DL, LB Corp, front 7. While it's true that WSU's defense might probably get gassed toward end of game, before then defense just fine.
Offense: WSU BEAT WSU, TRIED THEIR DAMNEDEST TO STEAL DEFEAT FROM JAWS OF VICTORY, SHOT THEMSELVES IN FOOT MULTIPLE TIMES. IDAHO DEFENSE WAS NOT GOOD.
OL: The OL actually played well. They pass blocked ok, and they opened up holes for the RB's.
RB's: On one hand the 2 fumbles was terrible. on the other hand the RB's were AWESOME rushing for LOTS of yards, and HIGH YPC.
QB: Ward wasn't terrible. He was SEMI BELOW AVERAGE TO AVERAGE AT BEST.
He threw for about 175 yards and 3, THREE TD's and NO INTERCEPTIONS.
If look at just ONLY that stat line that's a OK stat line.
The biggest problem(s) were not holding onto ball to long, misreads, etc. While those things may have been problems, the BIGGEST PROBLEM is that, 3,4,5,6 times, he had SEMI WIDE OPEN WR's on 3rd DOWNS, that the both OVERTHREW, UNDER THREW, MISSED, etc. IF HE HITS THOSE WR's AND THEN IF THOSE WR's CATCH THE BALL, THATS 3,4,5,6 MORE FIRST DOWNS.
He SHOULD HAVE EASILY HIT THOSE SEMI WIDE OPEN WR's ON 3rd DOWN. He didn't because of FIRST GAME JITTERS, and NOT BEING FOCUSED, NOT SHOWING UP, THINKING THAT GONA BLOW OUT IDAHO, ETC.
WR: The WR 3,4,5,6 times, on 3rd Downs, were semi wide open, AND HAD THE BALL HIT THEM IN HANDS AS EASILY CATCHABLE BALLS AND DROPPED THOSE BALLS.
the wr were not focused, didn't show up to play etc.
WSU SHOT THEMSELVES IN FOOT: 3 FUMBLES + 2 MISSED CHIP SHOT FG's = 5 Turnovers.
Take away those 5 Turnovers, and that about 9 points: 2 FG's, and WSU probably converts 1 of 3 Turnovers into a TD or FG.
If Cam hits those 3,4,5,6 easy to hit WR on 3rd downs, then that would be about 3,4,5,6 more FIRST DOWN's and about 1/3 of those would have led to another TD or FG, for about 6 more points.
If the WR had CAUGHT not dropped the 3,4,5,6 EASILY CATCHABLE passes that hit them in hands on 3rd downs, then that's about 3,4,5,6 more FIRST DOWNS, and about 1/3 of those would have resulted in 1 TD or FG's, for about 6 more points.
WSU WOULD HAVE SCORED ABOUT 20+ POINTS MORE IF THEY HAD NOT SHOT THEMSELVES IN FOOT.
THE SCORE WOULD HAVE BEEN 44 TO 17, and NOBODY would have said that WSU played badly, that Idaho supposedly played well when Idaho didn't play well as WSU almost BEAT WSU, as Idaho did NOT almost beat WSU.
3 to 6 to 9 plays on offense where WSU shot THEMSELVES IN FOOT, was the difference between 24 to 17 and 44 to 17.
So WSU didn't show up to play, etc.
Prediction time.
If WSU doesn't show up, doesn't focus, etc:
BEST CASE: Wisconsin 39 - WSU 17
Worst Case: Wiscy 59 - WSU 9
If WSU shows up, focuses, etc.
Best case: WSU 30 to Wiscy 23 type of score.
Worst Case: Wiscy 33 to WSU 20 type of score.
Average, etc. Wiscy 30 to WSU 29 type of score.
If WSU shows up, focuses it will be a close game that WSU loses.
If WSU does not show up, etc, WSU gets semi blown out.
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Ugghh... Exactly what I was afraid was Goin to happen when we hired Morris. Spring game and Idaho. confirmed it
If we didn't have that stupid mandate, we would have had a staff together with an offense with some serious momentum heading into this year with a heck of a defensive coordinator, Now we have a new new qb, new OC
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I saw multiple times when 4 got home against 5, non-blitz. In fact, it might have been every time CW was flushed.
Our OL is not good.
Want? WSU 30-24
Expect? Pissconsin 34-17
The truth to all of this will be us moving the ball efficiently in the air and having 1 turnover or less.
Expect? Pissconsin 34-17
The truth to all of this will be us moving the ball efficiently in the air and having 1 turnover or less.
Bottom line the OL, WSU, etc, played well ENOUGH to BLOW OUT Idaho.
TAKE AWAY WSU's 5, FIVE SHOT THEMSELVES IN FOOT TURNOVERS, and the 3,4,5,6 SEMI WIDE OPEN WR's on 3RD DOWN's that Cam should have NOT OVERTHROWN, UNDERTHROWN, AND the 3,4,5,6 EASILY CATCHABLE HIT THEM IN HANDS PASSES THAT WAS DROPPED ON 3RD DOWNS and WSU EASILY WINS, BLOWS OUT IDAHO BY 44+ to 17.
3 to 6 to 9 plays on offense was the difference between 44+ to 17 and 24 to 17.
Bottom line WSU SHOT THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT MULTIPLE TIMES AND ALMOST BEAT THEMSELVES AND ALMOST SNATCHED DEFEAT FROM THE BLOW OUT IDAHO JAWS.
WSU just didn't show up to play, didn't focus, was looking past Idaho to Wisconsin.
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If we rush for more than 125 yards, including QB runs, we lose 34-24.
If we don't move the ball on the ground, then we lose 41-17.
I'm inclined to think we rush for more than 125 yards against a team that is rushing 3 for over half the plays. In the Leach days, we would not run against that style of D. I suspect that in this game we will run against rush 3/drop 8. I'll go a step farther. If we rush for more than 5 ypc, then it is a one score game well into the 4th quarter. And if our pass completion % is upper 60's, then we might in fact average 5+ ypc.
I think the only way we win is to be +2 or better in turnovers, on top of playing well on O.
If we don't move the ball on the ground, then we lose 41-17.
I'm inclined to think we rush for more than 125 yards against a team that is rushing 3 for over half the plays. In the Leach days, we would not run against that style of D. I suspect that in this game we will run against rush 3/drop 8. I'll go a step farther. If we rush for more than 5 ypc, then it is a one score game well into the 4th quarter. And if our pass completion % is upper 60's, then we might in fact average 5+ ypc.
I think the only way we win is to be +2 or better in turnovers, on top of playing well on O.
I wasn’t impressed last week either but you seriously think Dickert didn’t earn the HC gig with how the team rallied behind him last year and capped it with a thrashing of UW? Im not ready to crown him and I certainly think there’s a possibility he made a mistake with the Morris hire, albeit too early to tell after one week.
Hahaha…what?? I’ve never seen so many “football fans” rubbing one out to a coach that got significantly outcoached over a seasons worth of games.
Wisky fans question for you…would you be ready to throw out a lifetime contract to a coach who was outscored 38-0 twice in the 2nd half of his first 11 games?
JFC this is embarrassing.
Um, I don't know the context, but my guess is the answer you're looking for is ... no?
But, it really depends on context - you can make an argument for establishing an identity in year 1 and then bringing in better-fit personnel for that scheme as you go. Wisconsin let its OC go after last year, but he was there a while.
As to prediction, I suspect it'll be rather low-scoring. It's always too hard to know what you really have after one game, and this is the first real test for both sides.
The context is the dude was a turd sandwich for a coach but certain folks on here are obsessed with him because of his antivax stance…which personally I don’t care about one way or the other.
He’s suing the state, not WSU.
and I don’t see him winning regardless of how “unfair” it was. The state will take this to the mat.
I'm "obsessed" with anyone getting treated unjustly. The jab mandate was just the vehicle used for injustice. I beat it...but it was a close call.
He is suing WSU, Chun, etc. He SHOULD SUE the STATE, INSLEE, INSTEAD OF WSU.
HE WILL LOSE HIS LAWSUIT.
His attorney probably pointed out to him that state law clearly allows health mandates, so his case would have been thrown out immediately. His only chance was to sue WSU. Chun and Schulz will end up being dismissed as defendants - they're not really relevant anyway, as they're agents of WSU. Only way they stay in is if there's documentation where they said "screw the rules, let's get rid of this guy because we hate Catholics.". (Unlikely, since Chun is also Catholic)
There's really not much hope for a win in court suing WSU either. They were bound to follow the governor and DOH mandates too. They might be able to make it look like there was uneven application of the mandate, but Rolovich wasn't the only employee who got cut loose. The process was pretty clearly described, the deadlines were well known...and it proceeded as advertised. Rolo choosing to wait until the final weeks to apply for exemption limited his options, and that's on him.
The most likely scenario is that WSU offers a settlement just to get this over with. It won't be $25M. My guess is it'll never be disclosed, but it'll be $3-5M. And if he doesn't take it, the case will still get thrown out and he'll get nothing.
No... Never said anything about a lifetime contract.
We were on a 3 game win streak before he got fired.
I am pretty sure JDL didn't play in many.. If not all of those quarters you mention. I know he didn't play the second half against Usc
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Even tho 3 OFFICIAL turnovers.
Missing a EASY, CHIPSHOT FG, is LIKE a turnover.
So WSU had 3 official turnovers + 2 EASY MISSED CHIPSHOT TECHNICAL UNOFFICIAL EFFFECTIVELY SAME RESULT AS A TURNOVER, FOR EFFECTIVELY THE SAME RESULT AS 5 TURNOVERS.
Take them away, and take away Cam missing 3,4,5,6 semi wide open WR on 3rd DOWN's, and take away WR's DROPPING 3,4,5,6 EASILY CATCHABLE PASSES THAT HIT THEM IN HANDS ON 3,4,5,6 3rd DOWN's, and WSU would have won 44+ to 17.
3 to 6 to 9 plays was the difference between 44+ to 17 and 24 to 17.
...except for the fact other state employees were granted both an exemption and accommodation, he wasn't, for no apparent reason. That will come out in discovery (other employees that were granted both) not as slam dunk of a case for the state as some might think.
Not all positions are the same, not all applications for exemption articulated their reasoning well, and not every position could be granted an accommodation. There was never ambiguity about that last part. Accommodations would only be considered if job functions made it feasible. Some work mostly alone, some don’t. Very few work in a room with 9 coaches, or with 85 players, or in living rooms all over the country. And you can count on one hand the number that are a public face of the university.
At WSU (which is all that’s really relevant if he’s challenging process), there were a lot more applications for exemption that were denied than were approved.
Discovery only happens if this actually heads to trial. If it gets that far - without the previously mentioned smoking gun message - he’s already lost.
His suit is 100% a play for a settlement. The $25M asking price was to get it in the headlines and make WSU want it to go away quickly - there’s no real justification for that number, and it significantly exceeds his contract value. If WSU is allowed any latitude to accept a settlement, they will. If Inslee & Ferguson decide to fight, they’ll win. My guess is there’s a fund somewhere that’s going to pay the settlements to make all claims go away as quickly & quietly as possible, especially now that Inslee has finally accepted that it’s over.
If it’s proven he was wrongfully terminated so be it. Won’t change the fact he was dogshit as a coach.
Set aside the actual games, which many of them provided pretty convincing evidence he was out coached…His recruiting was pretty much non existent - we were headed towards Wulffian levels of talent.
I’d like to see his application before I made a comparison to others. Not all applications are the same. The slam dunk could go both ways or maybe no dunk at all.
Back to the subject at hand -
I predict we see a lot more Jenkins today. Hopefully some TE utilization in the passing game. Need to sustain drives and be at least +1 on TOs to have a prayer.
I predict we see a lot more Jenkins today. Hopefully some TE utilization in the passing game. Need to sustain drives and be at least +1 on TOs to have a prayer.
Hence, Wulff has relinquished his title.
Who lines up their 4th string qb on the goal line….. in a 3 back set for a run and shoot offense…. loses the game. F’ing amazing. That is a guy that has zero grasp of the game, the school he coaches for, the margin of error he has…. Holy tap dancing Moses.
We will all find out, including Turd, how good a coach he by the next on field coaching job he gets. Is he in demand? Or not?
Lol…forgot about that one. Un’Fing real that people wish he was still here. I have more respect for the last couple remaining Wulff fans, at least he played here and wanted to be here.
