Oregon experiencing similar challenges

[CougPatrol]

Losing your offensive coordinator and having kids opting out impacts even the best offenses.

I've always liked bowl season, but it's clear now that an expanded playoff is the future of college football. 36 teams with each conference getting a minimum of 2 bids would help minimize the super conference and NIL stuff.

Time to get it done.

 

[Suudy]

I was excited to see Oregon go down until I read about the losses. Seems like this has become a lose-lose situation. UNC can’t claim to have beat a ranked O, and O can blame those that weren’t there. Nobody wins.

 

[kougkurt]

Apparently the dogs have 0 opt outs

 

[CougPatrol]

The bowl season, apart from a few select games, has been rendered obsolete. I don't understand why, at the very least, the NCAA can't declare December a dead period for coaching and player movement.

Yea, I understand that transferring players wan't to be able to enroll at their new schools in January, but tough. Perhaps that's one of the things kids should have to think about. Yes, you can transfer, but you're not able to participate in football activities at your new program until the following Fall camp. Spring ball is not an option unless you're a graduate transfer.

Same teeth for coaches jumping ship. If you leave your program, you cannot start your new gig until February 15th, after National signing day.

 

[chipdouglas]

The bowl season, apart from a few select games, has been rendered obsolete. I don't understand why, at the very least, the NCAA can't declare December a dead period for coaching and player movement.

Yea, I understand that transferring players wan't to be able to enroll at their new schools in January, but tough. Perhaps that's one of the things kids should have to think about. Yes, you can transfer, but you're not able to participate in football activities at your new program until the following Fall camp. Spring ball is not an option unless you're a graduate transfer.

Same teeth for coaches jumping ship. If you leave your program, you cannot start your new gig until February 15th, after National signing day.

I like this idea. Transferring should be possible but not painless. Make it equal to the pain you’re inflicting on your own program

 

[CougPatrol]

I like this idea. Transferring should be possible but not painless. Make it equal to the pain you’re inflicting on your own program

It should be viewed as common sense. Rather than finishing your season in November or December and going on a mad scramble to find your next program, take your time with the decision, and if you want, and complete the academic year with your current program.

I think something like this would greatly reduce tampering. There would be less urgency for everyone involved. Leave kids (and programs) alone during the season and go after them beginning in January.

 

[gpcoug]

I flipped this on expecting to see Oregon getting their doors blown off. Turns out they are up 1

 

[CougPatrol]

I flipped this on expecting to see Oregon getting their doors blown off. Turns out they are up 1

Nice comeback by the Ducks. Played well down the stretch.

 

[Suudy]

Nice comeback by the Ducks. Played well down the stretch.

I saw it as a flop by UNC. But 6 is 1/2 dozen the other.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Ducks are ranked and were heavily favored. On their TD that made it 24-21 UNC, their right tackle had a hold of the pass rusher's facemask and wouldn't let go. Ref had an excellent view but there was no flag. Oh well. Ducks did come alive in the last 8 minutes. Lucky bounce on the PAT as well or it would've been OT.

I certainly hope the Cougars aren't the only Pac-12 school to lay an egg in a bowl game this year, but that might be the case.

Glad Cougar

 

[CougPatrol]

Ducks are ranked and were heavily favored. On their TD that made it 24-21 UNC, their right tackle had a hold of the pass rusher's facemask and wouldn't let go. Ref had an excellent view but there was no flag. Oh well. Ducks did come alive in the last 8 minutes. Lucky bounce on the PAT as well or it would've been OT.

I certainly hope the Cougars aren't the only Pac-12 school to lay an egg in a bowl game this year, but that might be the case.

Glad Cougar

Well, we were down 40% of our starting roster and without both coordinators. That's pretty significant in a game that pits a P12 7th seed vs. a conference champion.

 

[longtimecoug]

Apparently the dogs have 0 opt outs

can we stop calling it opting out and call it what it really is? it's quitting

 

[cr8zyncalif]

can we stop calling it opting out and call it what it really is? it's quitting

I prefer "selling out", but "quitting" is also accurate. "Desertion" also comes to mind.

 

[froropmkr72]

I prefer "selling out", but "quitting" is also accurate. "Desertion" also comes to mind.

Non-participation trophy!

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Non-participation trophy!

empty juice boxes and orange rinds?

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

I have to keep to the principle that "whatever coaches get to do, then players also get to do that."

So based on that, they have every right to go to another team to chase the highest bidder. We can call them (coaches and players) whatever we want, of course, but I want to see us be consistent on the rules.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I have to keep to the principle that "whatever coaches get to do, then players also get to do that."

So based on that, they have every right to go to another team to chase the highest bidder. We can call them (coaches and players) whatever we want, of course, but I want to see us be consistent on the rules.

There is compensation to the aggrieved in the case of a coach in the form of a buyout.

No such compensation exist for players exiting their teams. I'm curious of NIL contracts have clauses/ stipulations regarding time played, in case a player gets benched, hurt, or leaves mid-season?

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

There is compensation to the aggrieved in the case of a coach in the form of a buyout.

No such compensation exist for players exiting their teams. I'm curious of NIL contracts have clauses/ stipulations regarding time played, in case a player gets benched, hurt, or leaves mid-season?

Good point.

 

[425cougfan]

UW has zero opt-outs for the Alamo Bowl. Texas has some key ones. I have my views on how tonight is likely to go.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

UW has zero opt-outs for the Alamo Bowl. Texas has some key ones. I have my views on how tonight is likely to go.

I have this feeling that UW is going to roll them.

 

[425cougfan]

I have this feeling that UW is going to roll them.

Yeah, same. Only thing that gives me some pause is Texas usually showing up in recent bowl games. E.g., they beat Georgia in the Sugar when nobody expected it, and destroyed Utah and Colorado in the Alamo Bowl the past few years. I don't expect that tonight at all, though, in part because I don't trust Sark. Just hope they show up and find a way to win.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

I have to keep to the principle that "whatever coaches get to do, then players also get to do that."

So based on that, they have every right to go to another team to chase the highest bidder. We can call them (coaches and players) whatever we want, of course, but I want to see us be consistent on the rules.

How, I understand your point. However, I do not view it the same way. All of us who played sports up through high school had coaches come and go, and that was accepted. Having that take place now is not a cultural change. However, the idea of a player deserting his team was a different deal...particularly if you deserted your team just before the playoffs (which is the nearest comparison I can make to leaving before a bowl game). Sure, if we believe that in the current environment all college players are now professionals, then the same rules don't apply from a legal perspective. But culturally, I think 95%+ of fans probably view bailing on your team before a bowl game to be a betrayal of your team mates, because that is how it would have been viewed had we done the same. I don't like the idea of bailing out if the kid is going to the NFL draft, but I've learned to live with it. For a kid who is not going to the NFL, however, and is simply blowing off his team to go play elsewhere, I doubt that I'll ever find it acceptable. And I don't think I am alone in that.

Fundamentally, as things presently stand, college kids are permitted (heck, they are encouraged) to behave like mercenaries. I'm not sure how the marketplace will respond to that...if only 10-20% of the fans are turned off to the extent that this is the straw that breaks the camel's back, then the revenue impact on college sports will be devastating. The whole pageantry, tradition, rivalries, league structure, etc., aspect of college football is badly wounded and may not survive. There don't seem to be many adults in the room when it comes to foreseeing how this will impact broadcast eyeballs, gear purchases, event attendance, and all the other stuff that ends up paying the bills. To those who say, "It's a business", I respond that that was what the geniuses at Coca Cola said when they replaced old Coke with new Coke. I'm not sure that the college football market will survive the replacement of "old college football" with "new college football" without a lot of casualties.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

How, I understand your point. However, I do not view it the same way. All of us who played sports up through high school had coaches come and go, and that was accepted. Having that take place now is not a cultural change. However, the idea of a player deserting his team was a different deal...particularly if you deserted your team just before the playoffs (which is the nearest comparison I can make to leaving before a bowl game). Sure, if we believe that in the current environment all college players are now professionals, then the same rules don't apply from a legal perspective. But culturally, I think 95%+ of fans probably view bailing on your team before a bowl game to be a betrayal of your team mates, because that is how it would have been viewed had we done the same. I don't like the idea of bailing out if the kid is going to the NFL draft, but I've learned to live with it. For a kid who is not going to the NFL, however, and is simply blowing off his team to go play elsewhere, I doubt that I'll ever find it acceptable. And I don't think I am alone in that.

Fundamentally, as things presently stand, college kids are permitted (heck, they are encouraged) to behave like mercenaries. I'm not sure how the marketplace will respond to that...if only 10-20% of the fans are turned off to the extent that this is the straw that breaks the camel's back, then the revenue impact on college sports will be devastating. The whole pageantry, tradition, rivalries, league structure, etc., aspect of college football is badly wounded and may not survive. There don't seem to be many adults in the room when it comes to foreseeing how this will impact broadcast eyeballs, gear purchases, event attendance, and all the other stuff that ends up paying the bills. To those who say, "It's a business", I respond that that was what the geniuses at Coca Cola said when they replaced old Coke with new Coke. I'm not sure that the college football market will survive the replacement of "old college football" with "new college football" without a lot of casualties.

You make good points. The system is so messed up now that I've gotten cynical about its future (and present).

I do think that the schools and coaches in the past had it rigged in their favor relative to what the players got to do.

It wasn't fair to them.

I also agree that both coaches and players need to have some constraints on their movements between teams in the future. But schools also need to be constrained on when they can fire a coach as well.

NCAA leadership has been worthless (while drawing huge salaries) and they are totally corrupt. Emmert in retirement will get to draw a huge pension of some sort...to add injury to insult.

 

[random soul]

How, I understand your point. However, I do not view it the same way. All of us who played sports up through high school had coaches come and go, and that was accepted. Having that take place now is not a cultural change. However, the idea of a player deserting his team was a different deal...particularly if you deserted your team just before the playoffs (which is the nearest comparison I can make to leaving before a bowl game). Sure, if we believe that in the current environment all college players are now professionals, then the same rules don't apply from a legal perspective. But culturally, I think 95%+ of fans probably view bailing on your team before a bowl game to be a betrayal of your team mates, because that is how it would have been viewed had we done the same. I don't like the idea of bailing out if the kid is going to the NFL draft, but I've learned to live with it. For a kid who is not going to the NFL, however, and is simply blowing off his team to go play elsewhere, I doubt that I'll ever find it acceptable. And I don't think I am alone in that.

Fundamentally, as things presently stand, college kids are permitted (heck, they are encouraged) to behave like mercenaries. I'm not sure how the marketplace will respond to that...if only 10-20% of the fans are turned off to the extent that this is the straw that breaks the camel's back, then the revenue impact on college sports will be devastating. The whole pageantry, tradition, rivalries, league structure, etc., aspect of college football is badly wounded and may not survive. There don't seem to be many adults in the room when it comes to foreseeing how this will impact broadcast eyeballs, gear purchases, event attendance, and all the other stuff that ends up paying the bills. To those who say, "It's a business", I respond that that was what the geniuses at Coca Cola said when they replaced old Coke with new Coke. I'm not sure that the college football market will survive the replacement of "old college football" with "new college football" without a lot of casualties.

I've complained about this elsewhere. A big part of what makes college football fun is the traditions, rivalries, and flavor attached to each school and it's identity with its fan base and within the broader ecosystem. Those traditions and identities, hokey as they often are, get embedded in people's brains as kids, and even if they end up not attending Taxidermy Tech or Anthropology A&M, Dad was a fan and you grew up loving the buffalo running out of the tunnel or conference champs with roses in their mouths or dodging oranges cascading onto the field from the stands. There's a level of comfort and nostalgia attached to that, in a world with fewer and fewer outlets for that. Now this one is getting blown up too. I don't blame the players for trying to find ways to get what they can, considering what they give in return. I DO blame the NCAA, the conferences, the universities, and the TV networks for the lack of thought they've put into the structure all these schools now compete in. There's lots to hate about the NFL, but one thing they've gotten right is how to maintain a base level of parity and competitiveness in their game. College football has never really had that, but what few guardrails there were are now gone, and it's the Wild West, because the NCAA was too busy stomping on any proposed changes to figure out how to guide changes in ways that would be good for players and fans.

 

[Wazzubrooz]

Ducks are ranked and were heavily favored. On their TD that made it 24-21 UNC, their right tackle had a hold of the pass rusher's facemask and wouldn't let go. Ref had an excellent view but there was no flag. Oh well. Ducks did come alive in the last 8 minutes. Lucky bounce on the PAT as well or it would've been OT.

I certainly hope the Cougars aren't the only Pac-12 school to lay an egg in a bowl game this year, but that might be the case.

Glad Cougar

Nope, looks like Utah is going to get its doors blown off by Penn State’s molesters.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Nope, looks like Utah is going to get its doors blown off by Penn State’s molesters.

Cam Rising might be the most ironic name in college football.

I actually felt bad typing that, but it seems to be the case.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Nope, looks like Utah is going to get its doors blown off by Penn State’s molesters.

I didn't see this one coming.

Franklin is a very good recruiter but an average coach.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Nope, looks like Utah is going to get its doors blown off by Penn State’s molesters.

After starting the bowl season at 3-1, the Pac-12 loses its last 3 games to finish 3-4 in bowl games.

Glad Cougar