OSU getting mentioned for Big12 membership
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Wonder if Dr. Schulz and Chung are holding talks with the Big Ten right now and keeping things quiet?
What’s your source? I’m not seeing anything hinting at that that’s newer than 3 days
I figured SDSU would rank above osu and wsu.
I expect UConn to be a bigger target then us as well.
What's the purpose of that?
WSU Football and the GameDay flag are nationally known brands.
WSU's Marketing Dept. could spend $10M and not get the same level of positive publicity
you know, the way this has unfolded, it very well could be that this has been in the works for many yrs....poor leadership and poor media contracts...the way we just couldn't get a media deal....all the big guys jumping ship.....
all I know is WSU is a football school.....not a bb school....but a football school.....and we are being dumped....probably because we're spoilers....
I believe many universities well ultimately drop football completely....hope its not us....but many will.....TPTB are fixing it to have a super conference or two....and that's it....
Grahamcoug is not talking about ESPN, etc.
He is probably talking about the Board of Regents, certain highly influential, powerful individuals, semi so called fans, people in Washington State Government, etc, that don't care about WSU sports, athletics, that think that WSU supposedly can't afford, can't compete, does not belong in a P5 like PAC 12, Big 12, that WSU belongs in MWC/Big Sky/FCS/Group of 5/MIDMAJOR, where WSU supposedly can trim the Athletic Dept Fat, and eliminate, pay off debt, get back in black, and focus on academics, like they should.
Now I don't think that, and not saying that's the case, but if it were, is true, it wouldn't surprise me.
That is what I am saying, possibly the board of regents. NOT ESPN.
I want to be wrong. It just seems odd to me how Colorado, Utah, Arizona, ASU, UW, and Oregon can move so fast with this.
Maybe being slow and thorough is good.
I want to be wrong. It just seems odd to me how Colorado, Utah, Arizona, ASU, UW, and Oregon can move so fast with this.
Maybe being slow and thorough is good.
We still talking about Coug Football or my love life? Cuz yeah, slow and thorough is good.
All those schools were working on their exit for months.
Oregon and UW were being vetted by the Big-10. UW and Oregon were pursing that.
CU, UA, ASU and Utah were being vetted by the Big-12. The Big-12 approached the "four corners" about joining. It was done under the guise of a "landing spot."
At the end of the day, Cal, Stanford, WSU and OSU weren't being looked at by the Big-10 or the Big-12.
Maybe it’s just me, but I have approximately as much faith in this as in Dennis Erickson saying “I’m not leaving”
There is a generational loser culture at WSU that is seeming unbreakable that is born out of "aw shucks, its just little ole WSU not much we can do!" who would be perfectly fine with WSU being a small time nobody if it means keeping their access/jobs/etc.
Since this is out there there.was at least some type of chatter going on
I am changing my opinion. I don't think anyone at WSU wants athletics to die. WSU was caught completely off guard with the schools leaving. I don't think they even thought about this or what WSU should do if this happened. Naive? Don't know. Now they are frantically scrambling to find a home. This will be a slow process. Also, I am coming to grips with this idea- WSU is an awesome attractive school, but somehow the financial attractiveness of us to other leagues is not as attractive.
There are lots of schools who are and have been in this boat. It just stings a little that we are not considered one of the big boys.
There are plenty of faculty at WSU that would love athletics to go away. Or at least funding and special treatment for athletes. Now, how dismissive the leadership (regents, president, etc.) is to pressure by those faculty is the key factor.
They're not. The faculty run the show. Definitely the ones that bring in research dollars, but also the ones who bring nothing and just complain a lot.
And it's those research faculty who are apathetic. They aren't beholden to WSU budgets--they make their own with their own grant dollars. And they don't teach--at least not much--and don't see athletes that often.
No, it's the average instructor and those who manage departments of instructors that are constrained by WSU budgets. Those are the ones vocally against athletics.
How would getting rid of athletics impact enrollment, donations and all that?
Theose department heads and professors might need to be careful what they wish for
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I agree with you. Many (many, many, ...) people choose WSU over other in state schools because of athletics. It's not all about legacy admissions and stellar programs (what do we have besides maybe the vet school, PharmD, and some agricultural specialties?). WSU isn't an elite academic institution for most programs.
The conversations I've had with some of the EECS are about a) it's dollars that could be spent on academic programs, salaries, facilities, equipment, etc and b) they hate having student athletes in their classes. Some even complain about the special treatment athletes get. (I have a story about that from when I was in graduate school on exactly that point.)
Basically, it's jealousy.
If enrollment were to decline because of the aspects you mention in the first paragraph, some of those EECS folks could conceivably lose their jobs.
Demographically enrollment is on the decline right now, and not being a power 5 time will not have a positive impact. How much of an impact I don't know, but there will be some. I do believe being concentrated in the west and not having to make East Coast trips will actually be a benefit to the other sports. The big question comes down to dollars.
I'd be interested to see the balance sheet with the new travel budget and then the equal amount that has to go to women's sports and which men's sports get the axe because of it. Didn't the other state school say something like $10M extra in travel expenses? I'm assuming that is for all sports, but if we are working on a fixed budget something has to go...
would xc, golf and track even be enough or would baseball have to go too?
Hey the College of Business was great when I was there, with Rom Markin as Chair. Great guy. Maybe it has slid since then, but when I graduated and matched up with my CPA candidates from uw, Central, etc., I kicked their asses.
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Did I mention the weather is amazing
A lot of schools have better weather and transportation. As a football program its pathetic to choose SDSU over WSU.
