OT: Medical school, part 2

[Coug95man2]

So a bill just passed the State Senate today with a vote of 47-1. The bill was written in the Congress via Democrat Marcus Riccelli (Spokane Representative) and Senates sponsor Republican Michael Baumgartner (Spokane Senator). It now goes to the Governor for his signature. A truly bi-partisan effort. WSU's president Floyd was there to watch the process and to thank the legislature for their action. His quote:

"There is no doubt that today is a historic event," he said. "We will make a difference in the delivery, the quality, the affordability and access for health care for Washingtonians. That is our highest priority."


The next step will be to craft a budget.

I wasn't aware of this but there was a legitimate, legal "restriction" which only allowed UW to have a medical school within the state. This "restriction" has been in place since 1917… Think of that. Almost 100 years. Politics are awesome

WSU Medical School

 

[SaveFerris]

Awesome news. Wonder who was the no vote? Still, great news for WSU and the state!

 

[Coug95man2]

Sen. Jamie Pedersen, a Democrat from Seattle, was the lone 'no' vote.

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by Coug95man2:

I wasn't aware of this but there was a legitimate, legal "restriction" which only allowed UW to have a medical school within the state. This "restriction" has been in place since 1917… Think of that. Almost 100 years. Politics are awesome

Back in 1917, I understand the geographical logic that went into the 1917 bill. WSU was awarded programs like agronomy, agricultural economics, vet sciences etc., while UW got the medical school, law school, forestry / fisheries, etc.

What used to piss me off but now makes me chuckle is when UW folks rip on WSU for being a land grant, "cow town" school. They're unaware or unwilling to acknowledge the history of how our 2 University's have evolved over time.

If you're able to look at history objectively, you'll understand how and why UW grew more rapidly and is now the best public school in our region. They didn't have any competition to speak of for nearly 3/4 of a century.

 

[Observer11]

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by Coug95man2:

I wasn't aware of this but there was a legitimate, legal "restriction" which only allowed UW to have a medical school within the state. This "restriction" has been in place since 1917… Think of that. Almost 100 years. Politics are awesome

Back in 1917, I understand the geographical logic that went into the 1917 bill. WSU was awarded programs like agronomy, agricultural economics, vet sciences etc., while UW got the medical school, law school, forestry / fisheries, etc.

What used to piss me off but now makes me chuckle is when UW folks rip on WSU for being a land grant, "cow town" school. They're unaware or unwilling to acknowledge the history of how our 2 University's have evolved over time.

If you're able to look at history objectively, you'll understand how and why UW grew more rapidly and is now the best public school in our region. They didn't have any competition to speak of for nearly 3/4 of a century.

If those dipwads in Montlake weren't so myopic, they'd realize that some of the premier public universities in the world are land grant schools.

Purdue, Indiana, THE Ohio State University, Cal-Berkley, Minnesota, MIT, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_land-grant_universities

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Three echoes from above comments.

First, as was pointed out, Cal was a land grant school. They peeled off the agricultural aspects when Davis became the second (and fully independent) UC campus over 100 years ago. And until UCLA was founded (my memory says that was in the early '30's, though it may have been late '20's), California only had two public universities…located very close to each other and sharing a common history and viewpoint on most things. In funding battles, they stood together and showed great respect for each other's position.

Second, it would be very hard to get some sort of neutral, informed perspective on how the UW/WSU academic situation was viewed back in the day. My uncle was one of many who got a degree from both schools back in the late '40's/early '50's. When he would discuss this subject, he would start by pointing out that (at that time) there was not a real distinction in the public mind between a "college" and a "university". Kids growing up in the teens, '20's and '30's aspired to be a "college man", not a "university man". And each school was known for different specialties…important to recognize that this wasn't simply an "Ag" situation at WSU. After WWII, WSU's communications school was considered better than UW's, in no small part due to Ed Murrow. Was that factually correct, or just a function of perception due in part to Murrow? My uncle wasn't sure (and that is the degree he received from WSU), but he was very clear that WSU journalism graduates were as well prepared & respected as anybody else, and he worked in Seattle immediately after getting out of school, along with piles of UW and other WSU folks. Hard sciences were viewed as equivalent, as well. Everybody knew who the Abelsons were. And the engineering curricula was also viewed as very similar (that was his UW degree, which he got while working in Seattle a few years later…he noted that engineers were paid much better). On the other hand, he noted that if you were talking about which school produced more doctorates, and in a larger variety of fields, you would have thought of UW. But at the undergrad level, the public perception by those who were alumni of neither (or both, as in his case) was that they were similar.

Third, I eventually ended up with a brother in law when I introduced one of my roommates to my fiancé's little sister. He got his BS at WSU and masters at UW (followed by a doctorate elsewhere). His perspective on the two schools is very similar to my uncle's, but was based on experiences in the late '70's/early '80's, as well as while he got his doctorate at Case Western while working for NASA. The only difference was that 30 years had made a difference in the advanced degree situation, and WSU was viewed as being more equivalent…though as with any comparison between universities, research flows as a function of the specialty areas of the researchers, so naturally every school has a somewhat different focus in its grad programs.

In SoCal I always tell people with no knowledge of the PNW that Washington is blessed to have two very good and very different schools, where the chief difference is urban vs. college town settings. I have 7 partners in my company, and one is a UW grad (the rest are from various CA schools). When pressed, I also express the personal opinion that (at least when I attended) undergrad education was a higher priority for the administration at WSU than at UW. But I don't pretend that is a neutral opinion.

 

[SCglory]

little known fact: they gave Walla Walla first shot on which institution they wanted. They could have had the land grant college....they chose the prison. The rest, as they say, is history.

 

[froropmkr72]

Originally posted by SCglory:
little known fact: they gave Walla Walla first shot on which institution they wanted. They could have had the land grant college....they chose the prison. The rest, as they say, is history.

Interesting little piece of history there.

 

[405 Coug]

A myth that is constantly used by uninformed UW supporters, sad to see WSU's own presenting the same idea.

The prison in Walla Walla was built in 1886, the decision on where to place WSU was not made until 1890, and the choice came down to Pullman and Yakima. You can do the research yourself to find it, you will have to dig deep however, as the myth of Walla Walla and WSU is presented in many articles, all of which are not true.

 

[79COUG]

Originally posted by 405 Coug:
sad to see WSU's own[/B] presenting the same idea.

You sure about that?
Many disagree....

 

[405 Coug]

100% certain, since you are all too lazy to look it up, here are some articles

From History of WSU website:

Lobbying for the state college
In 1890 Washington's legislature voted to establish a state agricultural college and school of science. Yakima and Whitman counties were top contenders for the college's location.
A group of men from Olympia were to choose the college site. They visited Pullman to see what the town offered. Locals treated them to a marching band parade and a banquet.
The day before the men were to make a final choice, they traveled to Tacoma. They made the trip to visit a proponent of the Yakima site. Things weren't looking good for Pullman.
Whitman County Senator A.T. Farris followed the men to Tacoma. He noticed that one of them failed to board the only train of the day back to Olympia. The senator chartered a train and car to deliver the man to Olympia in time for the decision-making meeting.
Around midnight on April 18, 1891, the verdict came in. The college would be located in Pullman after all.
Washington State College formed in 1890,

History of Washington State Penitentiary:
The Territorial Governor (Washington was not a state yet) authorized the selection of a site in 1883, and Walla Walla was chosen in 1885, and construction began in 1885, opened in 1886
http://www.doc.wa.gov/facilities/prison/wsp/washingtonsphistory.asp[/URL]


Washington is admitted as the 42nd state to the United States of America on November 11, 1889.

The funds for land grant universities were provided by the Morrill Act of 1890, prior to that the Morrill act of 1862 provided only land.


Perhaps there was some college that Walla Walla was looking at, back in 1883, but it wasn't what is known as WSU today, Walla Walla never was an option in 1890 for a new college. And the prison was built 6 years prior to there being funds available for a Land Grant University in Washington State. There was no state legislature until 1889, 4 years after the Penitentiary had been built.
So in summary not only do the stories line up, the dates don't either. So hopefully this dispels the myth once and for all.


This post was edited on 3/27 12:22 PM by 405 Coug


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This post was edited on 3/27 12:51 PM by 405 Coug

 

[79COUG]

You misunderstood me, 405.
I was commenting on your reference of glory being a Coug.
He's not.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
Sen. Jamie Pedersen, a Democrat from Seattle, was the lone 'no' vote.

I should send him a "thank you note."

 

[wazzubruce]

Nice job 405. Put snarky, know-it-all glory in his place.... yuk,yuk.... !

 

[froropmkr72]

Originally posted by wazzubruce:

Nice job 405. Put snarky, know-it-all glory in his place.... yuk,yuk.... !

See, THAT'S what you get for taking Gloria's word for anything

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by CougSinceBirth:

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
Sen. Jamie Pedersen, a Democrat from Seattle, was the lone 'no' vote.

I should send him a "thank you note."

It's not a big deal. I think the uw is in his district. With the vote so overwhelmingly one sided, I am sure he, as well as everyone else, knew that the vote would pass. The uw was against this, so he symbolically voted no.

In the end, WSU is getting a medical school. Outstanding news.

 

[Observer11]

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by CougSinceBirth:

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
Sen. Jamie Pedersen, a Democrat from Seattle, was the lone 'no' vote.

I should send him a "thank you note."

It's not a big deal. I think the uw is in his district. With the vote so overwhelmingly one sided, I am sure he, as well as everyone else, knew that the vote would pass. The uw was against this, so he symbolically voted no.

In the end, WSU is getting a medical school. Outstanding news.

Don't count your chickens until they are hatched.

When the funding actually passes the governors desk, then it's time to celebrate.

Plans for a North-South freeway in Spokane started in 1946. And it still hasn't reached the city limits.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by Observer11:

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by CougSinceBirth:

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
Sen. Jamie Pedersen, a Democrat from Seattle, was the lone 'no' vote.

I should send him a "thank you note."

It's not a big deal. I think the uw is in his district. With the vote so overwhelmingly one sided, I am sure he, as well as everyone else, knew that the vote would pass. The uw was against this, so he symbolically voted no.

In the end, WSU is getting a medical school. Outstanding news.

Don't count your chickens until they are hatched.

When the funding actually passes the governors desk, then it's time to celebrate.

Plans for a North-South freeway in Spokane started in 1946. And it still hasn't reached the city limits.

Sure, anything can happen. But, that the vote in the house and senate were so overwhelmingly positive I think says the funding will be there in the end. Although Governor Inslee is a uw grad, Dr. Floyd and he are good friends. Dr. Floyd was head of the transition committee when Inslee took office.

Also, I think if Dr. Floyd were in charge of the plans for a North-South freeway, it would have been completed already

 

[Coug95man2]

I say this partly in jest, partly… not really in jest…

When politics are involved and you live on the East side, you NEVER count your chickens until they're hatched. I'll completely agree with Observer on that one.

We (East siders) gets screwed more than a… well… lets keep it G rated… a 1 and a quarter screw on a brand new deck. We shall see… yeah it SHOULD happen and with Floyd, it probably WILL happen.

But the freeway is a prime example… The concrete is poured!!! But the freeway literally Dead Ends… Dumbest thing in the world.

 

[405 Coug]

The Regents found 60 million to redo the stadium, I'd like to think, if need be, they find a way to come up with a few million if the state dumps us. The key is, for the first time ever, WSU now has approval to have a med school, the next important issue is waiting for funds from the State. I'd like to think if they State doesn't come through with the funds,Pres Floyd has a plan B in place.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by 405 Coug:

The Regents found 60 million to redo the stadium, I'd like to think, if need be, they find a way to come up with a few million if the state dumps us. The key is, for the first time ever, WSU now has approval to have a med school, the next important issue is waiting for funds from the State. I'd like to think if they State doesn't come through with the funds,Pres Floyd has a plan B in place.

It is also easier to find big monied donors, whether they are WSU grads or not, to donate to something as worthy as a medical school.

This post was edited on 3/30 12:59 PM by Coug1990

 

[Coug95man2]

HELLOOOOOOOOOO WSU's Paul Allen School of Medicine[/B]!!!!!!!!!

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Originally posted by SCglory:
little known fact: they gave Walla Walla first shot on which institution they wanted. They could have had the land grant college....they chose the prison. The rest, as they say, is history.

The question remains though...which causes more misery and suffering in society, the prison inmates or being a fan of WSU sports?