PI Calls

[taf88]

Is this an extension of practice where I’ve read the WSU receivers make claim on a couple occasions that the DB’s were excessive in their use of hands?
With all the reps they’ve taken since August against a very good group of receivers, you would think the DB’s would have refined their skills.
Never played the position, and suspect it’s one of the toughest assignments, but something sure seems wrong this year. It also appears very damn strange that for all the passes we launch, there is a big discrepancy between WSU getting flagged vs. the opponent.

 

[Brent H.]

Is this an extension of practice where I’ve read the WSU receivers make claim on a couple occasions that the DB’s were excessive in their use of hands?
With all the reps they’ve taken since August against a very good group of receivers, you would think the DB’s would have refined their skills.
Never played the position, and suspect it’s one of the toughest assignments, but something sure seems wrong this year. It also appears very damn strange that for all the passes we launch, there is a big discrepancy between WSU getting flagged vs. the opponent.

PI has been very inconsistent against us this year. The refs were just waiting to throw the flag yesterday at times. Some were PI and there were others that were complete horse sh*t calls. Stanford receivers can play with their hands on our receivers but we couldn’t with them? Squad was playing against 12 on defense at times.

 

[kougkurt]

Is this an extension of practice where I’ve read the WSU receivers make claim on a couple occasions that the DB’s were excessive in their use of hands?
With all the reps they’ve taken since August against a very good group of receivers, you would think the DB’s would have refined their skills.
Never played the position, and suspect it’s one of the toughest assignments, but something sure seems wrong this year. It also appears very damn strange that for all the passes we launch, there is a big discrepancy between WSU getting flagged vs. the opponent.

We play so much man. It makes it really tough on our DB’s when they are on an island and can’t look into the backfield.

 

[Coug90]

Is this an extension of practice where I’ve read the WSU receivers make claim on a couple occasions that the DB’s were excessive in their use of hands?
With all the reps they’ve taken since August against a very good group of receivers, you would think the DB’s would have refined their skills.
Never played the position, and suspect it’s one of the toughest assignments, but something sure seems wrong this year. It also appears very damn strange that for all the passes we launch, there is a big discrepancy between WSU getting flagged vs. the opponent.

It’s one guy who’s struggling. Molton. He’s flat out wrapping guys up before the ball gets there.

Strong was in position every time last night and the contact on his plays were all initiated by the receiver. He should have been the recipient of a couple of offensive PI calls but the refs were letting Whiteside do whatever he wanted.

 

[CougPatrol]

Can’t blame the refs. Both Molton and Strong look completely out of control and unaware when the ball is in the air.

 

[Coug1990]

Can’t blame the refs. Both Molton and Strong look completely out of control and unaware when the ball is in the air.

Sure we can. It is the refs job to get the call right. Stanford's receivers were allowed to use their hands on the defenders. You cannot allow one to do that and not the other.

 

[Brent H.]

Can’t blame the refs. Both Molton and Strong look completely out of control and unaware when the ball is in the air.

There is no face guarding in college. So they don’t have to find the ball. Two of the PIs in Strong were absolute horse sh*t.

 

[CougPatrol]

There is no face guarding in college. So they don’t have to find the ball. Two of the PIs in Strong were absolute horse sh*t.

Maybe so, but the book is out on our DBs. They are constantly getting beat, not looking back, and when you do that the flags fly.

 

[Coug90]

There is no face guarding in college. So they don’t have to find the ball. Two of the PIs in Strong were absolute horse sh*t.

Yup and Whiteside should have had a couple OPIs. Both offensive and defensive players need to be playing the ball. It was extremely one sided last night.

 

[dgibbons]

Can’t blame the refs. Both Molton and Strong look completely out of control and unaware when the ball is in the air.

BS. Arcega-Whiteside should have been called for at least one offensive.

The personal foul on Molton was flat out horseshit. He was tackling the receiver while the whistle was being blown.

 

[Brent H.]

Maybe so, but the book is out on our DBs. They are constantly getting beat, not looking back, and when you do that the flags fly.

Then then refs need to taught about what is PI then. You can be beat and not look for the ball. That isn’t PI. Quit dogging on our players when it isn’t deserved. Molton deserved a few but they refs didn’t interpret the rule at all.

 

[Coug-Vandal]

Well Brent I don't pretend to know what the "proper interpretation" of pass interference is supposed to be but by simple observation it is obvious that not getting your head turned and having your hands up in the receivers face results in a PI almost every time. This has been repeatedly called on Strong who seems to have pretty good position but never knows where the ball is. At some point you have to adjust to what the refs are calling instead of saying they misunderstand the rule.

 

[Loyal Coug]

Well Brent I don't pretend to know what the "proper interpretation" of pass interference is supposed to be but by simple observation it is obvious that not getting your head turned and having your hands up in the receivers face results in a PI almost every time. This has been repeatedly called on Strong who seems to have pretty good position but never knows where the ball is. At some point you have to adjust to what the refs are calling instead of saying they misunderstand the rule.

To be fair, the DB did get his head turned on that one play in time for the ball to bounce off him. After he committed PI.

 

[Brent H.]

Well Brent I don't pretend to know what the "proper interpretation" of pass interference is supposed to be but by simple observation it is obvious that not getting your head turned and having your hands up in the receivers face results in a PI almost every time. This has been repeatedly called on Strong who seems to have pretty good position but never knows where the ball is. At some point you have to adjust to what the refs are calling instead of saying they misunderstand the rule.

Again there is no face guarding in college. There is no rule stating you must turn your head. If they want that. Change the rule to saying you must turn your head. A lot of coaches coach players to play the receivers eyes and hands since you aren’t required to turn your head.

I’m not saying that we didn’t commit PIs but the PI on Strong on the sideline where he was running stride for stride with the receiver was BS. The one in the end zone where Whiteside plowed into him was a joke as well.

 

[Coug-Vandal]

I'm not disagreeing with a word you said. I've yelled at the same calls you have yelled at. My point is that if you watch the calls particularly in the USC game and last night the same things keep getting called. On a couple of the plays it wasn't obvious to me that Moulton or Strong even touched the receiver but what was obvious was that they had their back to the play and did not know where the ball was. The coaches need to get in the film room and say look this is what is being called and we have to adjust. Meanwhile we can continue to yell about how bad Pac-12 refs are.

 

[random soul]

These corners have spent 3+ years in a primarily zone scheme, fair amount of cover 4. Watch the difference in Molton between when he's on an island with the receiver behind him vs coming up to make a tackle in the flat. It's night and day. Claeys likes man and tricky pressures, plus the safeties spend a fair bit of time committed to run support, so he puts more on them than Grinch did. The lack of ball skills is glaring. Eastern exposed it, and every team since except Utah has tried to exploit it, with varyimg degrees of success. Give Claeys his own corners and you'll see a difference, because not everything with ball skills can really be coached. At the end of the Stanford and UO games, because we had a late lead and the pass was obvious, the safeties gave more help, and that worked better, especially against Oregon, whose passing game is overrated. Thompson and Thomas break on the ball pretty well when they're asked to

 

[CougInSpain]

I am just tired of seeing Molton out there and getting burnt for almost the entire game. He lacks the necessary skills to be even an average CB. Hopefully Harper is healthy for next weeks game because he is light years better than Molton.

 

[Coug90]

I am just tired of seeing Molton out there and getting burnt for almost the entire game. He lacks the necessary skills to be even an average CB. Hopefully Harper is healthy for next weeks game because he is light years better than Molton.

The thing is he isn’t getting burnt! He’s in position most of the time and just tackles the receiver. Just needs the confidence to turn his head and play the ball.

 

[CougInSpain]

The thing is he isn’t getting burnt! He’s in position most of the time and just tackles the receiver. Just needs the confidence to turn his head and play the ball.

You're obviously not watching the same games I am.

 

[Coug90]

You're obviously not watching the same games I am.

I don’t know seems like most of the negative plays involving Molton he’s been right there he’s just wrapping the receiver up while the ball is on the air.

By definition you have to be close to a receiver to tackle him and if you are close to a receiver you aren’t getting “burned”. Maybe we have a different definition of getting “burned”.

 

[CougPatrol]

The thing is he isn’t getting burnt! He’s in position most of the time and just tackles the receiver. Just needs the confidence to turn his head and play the ball.

I'm not seeing that either. I don't want to pile on the kid, because he's obviously the best option we have, but both Molton and Strong continually display the body language of cornerbacks who are beaten, which of course baits the refs into throwing flags.

They are routinely late to find the receiver when the ball is in the air, they put their hands on the receivers, and they never look back to find the ball. If that doesn't change, opposing teams will lob passes to them; particularly on 3rd and long, just to draw penalties.

 

[CougInSpain]

I'm not seeing that either. I don't want to pile on the kid, because he's obviously the best option we have, but both Molton and Strong continually display the body language of cornerbacks who are beaten, which of course baits the refs into throwing flags.

They are routinely late to find the receiver when the ball is in the air, they put their hands on the receivers, and they never look back to find the ball. If that doesn't change, opposing teams will lob passes to them; particularly on 3rd and long, just to draw penalties.

I don't want to pile on him either but he has been a real liability to our team this year. He either is not applying the CB fundamentals he has learned during practice when playing in games or he really is our best option (even being the most penalized player on the team). Its funny to think that our glaring weakness isn't our D-Line (which everyone thought it would be including myself), but our secondary and Molton is at the heart of that weakness.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

In game photo of Strong or Molton in coverage:

I kid....mostly.

 

[OrangeGravy]

These corners have spent 3+ years in a primarily zone scheme, fair amount of cover 4. Watch the difference in Molton between when he's on an island with the receiver behind him vs coming up to make a tackle in the flat. It's night and day. Claeys likes man and tricky pressures, plus the safeties spend a fair bit of time committed to run support, so he puts more on them than Grinch did. The lack of ball skills is glaring. Eastern exposed it, and every team since except Utah has tried to exploit it, with varyimg degrees of success. Give Claeys his own corners and you'll see a difference, because not everything with ball skills can really be coached. At the end of the Stanford and UO games, because we had a late lead and the pass was obvious, the safeties gave more help, and that worked better, especially against Oregon, whose passing game is overrated. Thompson and Thomas break on the ball pretty well when they're asked to

This ^^^^. You can really see it in Molton. He has yet to brake the habit of watching the QB a few steps into the route and loses contact with his man. In zone it's fine, everything is in front of you and you pass the WR off deep or across. In man, you peak in the back field and get lost. Once you lose contact you're playing catch up. When you play catch up all kinds of bad things happen. If the ball is under thrown, the WR stops and you run into him. Even if you get back in position you're timing is still out of whack and you don't really have time to read the WR's eyes to know when the ball is arriving to get your head around and you get PI flags all day ( a lot of which are BS, cause no face guarding rule in NCAA and refs refuse to acknowledge such ). It's annoying in the college game because they still officiate it based on perception of the play in the "no head turn" situation. In the NFL, they do a much better job of not falling into that trap, but they have other issues with how they call PI.


As far as CB's not turning to play the ball, some guys have it and some guys don't. Ball skills are not easily learned and being an exceptional athlete doesn't guarantee you'll have it or be able to learn how to do it well. Some people just have great balance, timing, and anticipation. Most people, even many great athletes don't.