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My hunch is Gueye had something to do with it but even if Gueye looks ready we will miss Aiken's experience. He had been in multiple tweeted videos and Smith had talked about him.
I believe Aiken was a normal transfer. I don't remember seeing grad transfer associated with him but could be wrong.
I believe Aiken was a normal transfer. I don't remember seeing grad transfer associated with him but could be wrong.
That was unexpected. Weren't they still one over the limit? I guess this solves that problem. EDIT: Scratch this, when Markovetskyy entered the transfer portal, that solved the problem.
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Well, throw water on my hunch. A poster on brandx says Gueye hasn't practiced much dealing with some sort of injury. That poster has some sort of source and has been pretty accurate.
Maybe Pullman was too small compared to Cheney? I do wonder if he ends up landing in Portland?
Wish he had made that decision sooner, as either AJ or Vova might have stayed if Aiken wasnt, hadnt been in the picture.
Now with a Gueye injury, an or Gueye not being ready, combined with Vova, AJ, 2 Bigs leaving, and combined with Kim leaving, all combined together, now makes for very little to almost no depth at the 4,5 spot, with Jackson, Efe as the starters, and the 6-9 Walk on, the back up Center, and Miller the back up 4.
Also altho woefully undersized, Rosario at 6-7 might have to pull a Lidwick, and help back up the 4 spot.
Really Aiken should have decided not to come to WSU earlier instead of deciding to come to WSU, help cause Vova, AJ to leave, then decide at last possible second to not to goto WSU. Irresponsibe of him to do that. And he was supposed to be responsible.
Any other Bigs want to leave?
Sheesh.
Couldnt have been one of the guards like Rapp, that could afford to lose, nope has to be valuable BIG's.
At least the 3 spot is still deep, and that Rodman is there, and that Rodman didnt decide to leave, because of Kim supposedly coming, only to have Kim leave last second.
Sheesh.
Now with a Gueye injury, an or Gueye not being ready, combined with Vova, AJ, 2 Bigs leaving, and combined with Kim leaving, all combined together, now makes for very little to almost no depth at the 4,5 spot, with Jackson, Efe as the starters, and the 6-9 Walk on, the back up Center, and Miller the back up 4.
Also altho woefully undersized, Rosario at 6-7 might have to pull a Lidwick, and help back up the 4 spot.
Really Aiken should have decided not to come to WSU earlier instead of deciding to come to WSU, help cause Vova, AJ to leave, then decide at last possible second to not to goto WSU. Irresponsibe of him to do that. And he was supposed to be responsible.
Any other Bigs want to leave?
Sheesh.
Couldnt have been one of the guards like Rapp, that could afford to lose, nope has to be valuable BIG's.
At least the 3 spot is still deep, and that Rodman is there, and that Rodman didnt decide to leave, because of Kim supposedly coming, only to have Kim leave last second.
Sheesh.
Losing Aiken is (would be?) a big hit. Thinking about it though he's probably not in the top 4 in terms of players we could least afford to lose. I think top 4 would be:
1. Noah
2a. Efe
2b. Jackson
4. Flowers
While I think Flowers would be a huge loss having Koulibaly and Roberts gives us potential depth at that position. Since they are unknowns at this level I could be overstating them at this point.
Aiken's still on the roster so I think 7I's post makes a lot of sense. On the other board some have posted the potential of admissions being the issue. If he was a grad transfer was he admitted to a program? Did it fall through? Did he not end up finishing his degree requirements at EWU?
I'm with the thinking that given the timing this is all very odd. Something is going on that pushed him to open things back up probably not related to hoops.
1. Noah
2a. Efe
2b. Jackson
4. Flowers
While I think Flowers would be a huge loss having Koulibaly and Roberts gives us potential depth at that position. Since they are unknowns at this level I could be overstating them at this point.
Aiken's still on the roster so I think 7I's post makes a lot of sense. On the other board some have posted the potential of admissions being the issue. If he was a grad transfer was he admitted to a program? Did it fall through? Did he not end up finishing his degree requirements at EWU?
I'm with the thinking that given the timing this is all very odd. Something is going on that pushed him to open things back up probably not related to hoops.
I am liking your logic, must be something in admissions and he is hedging his bets by opening back up his recruitment. WSU isn't the easiest to get into and especially true of Grad School. Having no idea if he is a graduate student or just a transfer.
Hopefully they are all over it.
Hopefully they are all over it.
Personally didn’t have Aiken penciled in as a starter but this is a big blow depth wise either way. Hopefully if it is an admission type thing they can get it worked out. I wonder if they knew about the possible problem and that’s why they waited so long to release Volvo. Also wonder if it’s to late to pull Volvo back into the fold.
Agree on the position in general but Aiken is primarily a 4 which can provide rebounding and interior defense, at least some of which Volvo could provide. Not sure much is out there at this point but Smith always seems to have another card up his sleeve.
I wondered about Vova' coming back but the more I think about it the less I see it as an option assuming he was basically asked to leave. Probably tough to come back in after something like that especially when you have more than a year and the situation could come up again a year out.
I do think we need some inside depth. We really only have Miller, Gueye, and walk-on DeWolf for depth. Miller's struggled with injuries for 2 years. I have to think if this isn't figured out we will pursue other options with the last ride assuming there are some decent options in the portal.
I do think we need some inside depth. We really only have Miller, Gueye, and walk-on DeWolf for depth. Miller's struggled with injuries for 2 years. I have to think if this isn't figured out we will pursue other options with the last ride assuming there are some decent options in the portal.
Internet scuttlebutt that Aiken already is getting interest from multiple Pac 12 programs.
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Problem is that whatever the problem was it will probably still exist. Like at UW.
Lloyd let him go shortly after being hired. They thought they had bigger fish. Believe they are one of the programs that has reached out per other sites.
Thanks Kim for putting WSU/Smith between a rock and a hard place.
Can either only hope that the 6-9 Walk on, and Miller and Gueye is enough depth behind Efe, Jackson(Hopefully, maybe likely), an or hope that Efe, Jackson, Gueye dont get injured(maybe not likely), etc, an or hope that Smith gets a BIG BIG to replace Kim, for more depth behind Efe, Jackson, since Kim might probably going to be gone,(maybe not likely).
Thanks Kim for helping to cause Vova, and AJ to leave, before leaving yourself.
Thanks NOT
Can either only hope that the 6-9 Walk on, and Miller and Gueye is enough depth behind Efe, Jackson(Hopefully, maybe likely), an or hope that Efe, Jackson, Gueye dont get injured(maybe not likely), etc, an or hope that Smith gets a BIG BIG to replace Kim, for more depth behind Efe, Jackson, since Kim might probably going to be gone,(maybe not likely).
Thanks Kim for helping to cause Vova, and AJ to leave, before leaving yourself.
Thanks NOT
There is a thing called UPSIDE, POTENTIAL, ON PAPER. PROSPECT.
You yourself even said that this is the Best, Deepest WSU team ever.
Now think about some of best WSU teams ever, that you say that ON PAPER, this team has better talent, depth then those teams.
Those Best ever WSU teams had NBA Pros like Klay, Baynes, Donaldson, Guy Williams, etc.
The only way your going to have better talent ON PAPER then the WSU NBA Pros, ON PAPER, is to have players like Noah, Efe, Jackson, Gueye, Koulibaly, with the ON PAPER UPSIDE, POTENTIAL, ATHLETICISM, etc, to be a NBA PROSPECT, that maybe make it to the NBA.
Noah, Efe, Jackson, Koulibaly, I said had the upside, potential, ON PAPER, to become a NBA Prospect that might make the NBA, ON PAPER
I am not the only one saying that. Lots of experts, media, pundits, etc, have said that.
But having the upside, potential, to be a NBA Prospect, is not praising their NBA Future. And also doesnt mean they will make the NBA, and they can still not pan out, not reach their potential, get injured, etc.
Also as far as Gueye, NBAdraftroom.com, and other experts, pundits, media, coaches, etc, are the ones saying he is a Future Lottery Pick, not me.
And i wasnt the one calling Koulibaly a one and done. Other people were calling Koulibaly a one and done.
Also you really need to stop throw fits over these players being projected as FUTURE NBA Prospects.
As to throwing Kim under the Bus. Kim has thrown WSU/Smith under the Bus by doing what he has done.
Kim was pretty much a done deal. That helped cause AJ, and Vova to leave because Kim made it more likely that they wouldnt get as much playing time.
Then after helping cause Vova, AJ to leave(Which isnt bad if Kim stays, doesnt leave), then he opens recruitment at last possible second.
Now I know that opening recruitment back up doesnt mean he is guaranteed to leave, and that he might still stay.
But about 99% of the time a player that open up recruitment, is gone.
And yes, there is the theoretical possibilitybthat its something like academics, etc.
But I am not buying that since he was getting a 3.5 GPA at EWU, etc.
So there is a GREAT PROBABILITY that Kim has irresponsibly changed his mind at the last second, after helping causing AJ, and Vova to leave.
Like I said. Thanks Kim. NOT.
As to Rapp, he is NOT as good as losing BOTH AJ, and Vova, it would have been better if Rapp had left, then for Vova, AJ to leave, and then KIM leave. If Rapp had left, and Vova and AJ had stayed and then Kim decided to reopen his recruiting and leave, it would have been better because of better depth at the 4,5 spots, and because of the depth in front of Rapp.
Thats not thowing Rapp under Bus, that a matter of logical, etc, backing up a opinion, etc.
You think that Rapp is not a bottom of bench player. I think he is a Bottom of Bench player.
I think that Noah, Flowers, Koulibaly, Rodman, Bamba, Tyrell Roberts, etc, are better then Rapp.
I think Rapp is equal to Rosario(For Now(Rosario better in future)
I think Rapp is better then Rice(Dont know if Rice will be better or if Rapp will stay better then Rice in the future)
I think that the 6-9 Walk on, Rice, Rosario, Rapp are the bottom 4 players at the Bottom of the Roster.
Thats not throwing Rapp under bus.
Lot of words but said nothing!
mcribb sandwich is best bbq McDonald’s has that doesn’t mean it’s award winning bbq. In 45 years of watching WSU basketball this is top to bottom the best roster but is that really saying that much? Depth has always been a problem on all those teams you rambled on about.
mcribb sandwich is best bbq McDonald’s has that doesn’t mean it’s award winning bbq. In 45 years of watching WSU basketball this is top to bottom the best roster but is that really saying that much? Depth has always been a problem on all those teams you rambled on about.
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No idea of the credibility of the tweeter but from a brandx post Aiken is set to decide tomorrow. With all the speculation on why Aiken reopened his recruiting maybe it was simply Lloyd/UA reaching out that lead to Aiken reopening his recruitment? Lloyd thought they could do better when they took over and Aiken ended up their best option.
If I'm Aiken and decided I wasn't sold on WSU I don't know that I would go back to UA as what looks like a backup plan although he probably doesn't see it that way.
If I'm Aiken and decided I wasn't sold on WSU I don't know that I would go back to UA as what looks like a backup plan although he probably doesn't see it that way.
Were I in his place, I'd be trying to figure out where I'd get the best chance of minutes at a team that could go to the dance. Locks to go to the dance don't need him. Teams with no chance whatever could give him lots of minutes, but in a losing cause. Somewhere in the middle would be optimum, and if he thinks he can earn more minutes as the season progresses, then go and compete. I thought that was what he was doing with WSU; but maybe he saw a bunch of talent in Pullman and judged his chances for significant minutes as not being good...?
The interesting thing is it's possible that WSU not only has a better shot at the Tournament but he could play a bigger role at WSU than UA. My bet is Lloyd rolls with "his guys" and Aiken is insurance. However, it's still UA and that likely has currency as well.
When I'm offered by both WSU and a traditional elite program like UA I'll let you know how it feels. Ha!
When I'm offered by both WSU and a traditional elite program like UA I'll let you know how it feels. Ha!
We'll see if more details come out but this sure feels like Aiken got upset that UA didn't talk to him and bolted, but then felt the love from Arizona again and went back. And if that's the case there should be extra incentive for WSU to stick it to him and the Cats next year. Kids are kids and they change their minds, but this particular decision probably cost WSU Andrej Jakimovski. Double dagger.
The UA site mod had Lloyd moving on from Aiken. Posted there were a couple of players they thought they could get an needed Aiken's spot. They didn't get either of the targets.
The internet (which is always correct) said Jakimovski didn't like Pullman and speculates the staff knew he was going to move on. No idea what's the what but the 2 things might not have much to do with one another other than offering Aiken knowing Jakimovski was likely moving on.
The internet (which is always correct) said Jakimovski didn't like Pullman and speculates the staff knew he was going to move on. No idea what's the what but the 2 things might not have much to do with one another other than offering Aiken knowing Jakimovski was likely moving on.
Is Arizona still in danger of sanctions that might eliminate any post season action? If that's even a possibility, it should be an additional reason not to come crawling back to Tucson.
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I don’t understand how Aiken can sign a LOI and get out of it so easy? Seems like tampering as well but I supposed if a bird whispers in his ear that the UoA is still interested and he initiates contact it’s okay?
He might have signed a financial aid agreement instead of the LOI. If he signed a financial aid agreement I don't believe he would need to be released by the school to reopen his recruitment. I don't remember but maybe when Aiken signed the LOI window (a relatively short period of time) had passed?
If Aiken did sign an LOI I would assume the contact was some sort of back channel. No idea how he would reopen unless there was some sort of academic issue and he wasn't admitted to the school.
Just throwing things at the wall though.
That's my problem with this.
Don't want to goto WSU fine.
But Don't effin make it seem like a pretty much done deal, by committing, signing a LOI, Financial Aid Agreement, etc, and CAUSE Vova and AJ to leave, then reopen your recruitment, leave yourself, at the ultimate last second, and go back to Arizona, Lloyd, where your offer was rescinded, etc
That's disrespectful, irresponsible, lacks class, etc.
And yeah I'm throwing him under the Bus, because he deserves it.
If he goes back to the team, coach that VOMITED on him, hope he has a real bad season, and that WSU beats him and his team 1000-0.
Thanks Kim NOT.
It sounds like he had very little choice in the matter. WSU would not allow him into the graduate program. I hope WSU doesn’t lower its standards so athletes can transfer in but it is frustrating when others appear to be doing it.
Entrance standards for most grad schools master programs (not just WSU) aren't as high as you think.
Also Aiken did pretty good academically(3.5 GPA(Full Academic Load) at EWU, which is a pretty good academic college itself.
I can probably guarantee that it wasnt academics or not getting into the grad transfer program, that was the issue.
Pretty sure that he just changed his mind at the ultimate last possible second.
I can probably guarantee that it wasnt academics or not getting into the grad transfer program, that was the issue.
Pretty sure that he just changed his mind at the ultimate last possible second.
Like most things in life, it was probably not just one thing. The grad program reason is undoubtedly real; it has been officially noted. However, with a nod to Mike, it probably was not the only reason. Whether it was the real, pivotal thing or simply a good political fig leaf is unclear. Sort of irrelevant at this point.
