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OK can one of you Spokaloo or Pullman denizens explain this to me? Pullman apparently won the GSL. To quote the article, "The Pullman Greyhounds’ (22-0, 12-0 2A/3A/4A Greater Spokane League) 11-point championship victory was....."

WTF is 2A/3A/4A? What happened to the Frontier league? I'm very confused.

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Pullman Greyhounds greatest in Greater Spokane League, win league title

The Pullman Greyhounds played their closest game of the year. Solid contributions off of the bench and the team eventually cracking the West Valley defensive code helped the Greyhounds win the Greater Spokane League 2A Championship 64–53. The Pullman Greyhounds’ (22-0, 12-0 2A/3A/4A Greater...
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There hasn’t been the old school frontier league in over 20 years. I didn’t realize Pullman had joined the GSL, last time I knew they were in GNL (great northern league) with Deer Park, Lakeside, Chewela, Collvile, Riverside, Medical Lake, Pullman and Newport, that was 20 years ago and most of those teams have changed classifications several times. The GSL or what I knew as the GSL is kind of a jumbled mess of 4a 3a and I believe some of the core schools are now even 2a.
On the topic of GSL the Ervin brothers from NC might be worth watching for coach Smith. Eldest one Jacori Ervin is 6-10 jr with a reported 7-2 wingspan and younger one is 6-8 sophomore Gelloni Ervin. I have not seen them play but both have video highlights that look decent. Their dad is the NC coach and played college basketball and pro ball overseas.
 
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jourdand said:
There hasn’t been the old school frontier league in over 20 years. I didn’t realize Pullman had joined the GSL, last time I knew they were in GNL (great northern league) with Deer Park, Lakeside, Chewela, Collvile, Riverside, Medical Lake, Pullman and Newport, that was 20 years ago and most of those teams have changed classifications several times. The GSL or what I knew as the GSL is kind of a jumbled mess of 4a 3a and I believe some of the core schools are now even 2a.
On the topic of GSL the Ervin brothers from NC might be worth watching for coach Smith. Eldest one Jacori Ervin is 6-10 jr with a reported 7-2 wingspan and younger one is 6-8 sophomore Gelloni Ervin. I have not seen them play but both have video highlights that look decent. Their dad is the NC coach and played college basketball and pro ball overseas.
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Thanks for clarifying exactly nothing.........
 
When the WIAA changed the way they counted students based on percent of kids with free and reduced lunches, North Central, Rogers and Shadle dropped down to 2A at the same time Cheney jumped to 3A and Ridgeline (3A) was added (Liberty Lake area). Instead of Rogers etc jumping to the GNL they combined the 2 leagues into 1. They play league games as either 2A or 3A/4A. Pullman and Clarkston are road trips for the local 2A schools but overall I think it’s good they’ve let the lower income schools play down a level. They’re more competitive and it seems like they are getting a few more kids out. Rogers was getting thumped by 50-60 in football at 3A/4A but I think they were close to .500 last year.

As far as the Ervin brothers, NC plays up in 3A in basketball so they play the tougher teams but from what I’ve seen from them they’ll be lucky to make 2nd team all GSL but as they say, you can’t coach height.
 
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When the WIAA changed the way they counted students based on percent of kids with free and reduced lunches, North Central, Rogers and Shadle dropped down to 2A at the same time Cheney jumped to 3A and Ridgeline (3A) was added (Liberty Lake area). Instead of Rogers etc jumping to the GNL they combined the 2 leagues into 1. They play league games as either 2A or 3A/4A. Pullman and Clarkston are road trips for the local 2A schools but overall I think it’s good they’ve let the lower income schools play down a level. They’re more competitive and it seems like they are getting a few more kids out. Rogers was getting thumped by 50-60 in football at 3A/4A but I think they were close to .500 last year.

As far as the Ervin brothers, NC plays up in 3A in basketball so they play the tougher teams but from what I’ve seen from them they’ll be lucky to make 2nd team all GSL but as they say, you can’t coach height.
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Say what?

Can you elaborate on that? Why?
 
BleedCrimsonandGray said:
Say what?

Can you elaborate on that? Why?
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The theory being that schools with a large percentage of free/reduced lunch kids don't have the same economic access to trainers and travel teams and such - and therefore, aren't competitive against the big and powerful 3A and 4A powers.

Which is partially true - but doesn't also address things like recruiting and open enrollment.

I recall one year where Rogers essentially lost their entire starting five to Shadle Park because AAU buddies wanted to stick together. A lot of GPrep athletes live in the Rogers attendance district.

For quite a while Rogers was a 4A school but could barely field enough kids to practice in football. Consequently, they were involved in a lot of running clock contests.

It's probably as good a metric as any to assign classifications. Rogers, for instance, is more competitive than they have been in recent times.
 
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The theory being that schools with a large percentage of free/reduced lunch kids don't have the same economic access to trainers and travel teams and such - and therefore, aren't competitive against the big and powerful 3A and 4A powers.

Which is partially true - but doesn't also address things like recruiting and open enrollment.

I recall one year where Rogers essentially lost their entire starting five to Shadle Park because AAU buddies wanted to stick together. A lot of GPrep athletes live in the Rogers attendance district.

For quite a while Rogers was a 4A school but could barely field enough kids to practice in football. Consequently, they were involved in a lot of running clock contests.

It's probably as good a metric as any to assign classifications. Rogers, for instance, is more competitive than they have been in recent times.
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Another example of bureaucrats pandering and not addressing any real problems. Open enrollment is a far greater issue than income levels.
 
BleedCrimsonandGray said:
Another example of bureaucrats pandering and not addressing any real problems. Open enrollment is a far greater issue than income levels.
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Disagree. Not having enough money to compete in club sports is a deal killer for all but the most genetically gifted at 3A and 4A schools in sports like basketball, baseball and soccer. Believe me, I’ve lived it.

There’s a process for open enrollment that’s not perfect but as a rule doesn’t let kids jump from school to school once they begin HS unless they move. Lots of kids in Spokane want to go to North Central bc they have a great science program. Is that a bad thing?

It’s only in year 2 or 3 but there are already more kids turning out for Sports at Rogers because they are no longer getting their teeth kicked in playing GPrep and Mead. That’s a good thing in my book.
 
COUGinNCW said:
Disagree. Not having enough money to compete in club sports is a deal killer for all but the most genetically gifted at 3A and 4A schools in sports like basketball, baseball and soccer. Believe me, I’ve lived it.

There’s a process for open enrollment that’s not perfect but as a rule doesn’t let kids jump from school to school once they begin HS unless they move. Lots of kids in Spokane want to go to North Central bc they have a great science program. Is that a bad thing?

It’s only in year 2 or 3 but there are already more kids turning out for Sports at Rogers because they are no longer getting their teeth kicked in playing GPrep and Mead. That’s a good thing in my book.
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You honestly think parents and kids aren't gaming the system? I know second hand for a fact that they are. All it takes is a piece of mail with a name.

Having coached at a school in the "hood", the problems go well beyond not having access to out-of-season sports clubs and the like, and honestly that might be on the bottom of the list of why these kids don't turn out.
 
I know kids are gaming the system as far as transferring. Sure, I’d like them shore that up but at the end of the day, if School A wins a couple of extra games then school B bc they brought in a non legit transfer or two, I’m not going to lose sleep. It does suck if your at school A your whole life and some kid “moves” into your district for their senior year.

From what I have seen so far, it looks like giving the kids with the deck stacked against them a better chance to win and compete is helping their participation numbers which a really good thing in my book. Lots to learn by playing an organized team sport.

Spokane has the Hoop-town program taking over for AAU that is supposed to get kids on their neighborhood teams and have scholarships available so everyone can play. This will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
COUGinNCW said:
I know kids are gaming the system as far as transferring. Sure, I’d like them shore that up but at the end of the day, if School A wins a couple of extra games then school B bc they brought in a non legit transfer or two, I’m not going to lose sleep. It does suck if your at school A your whole life and some kid “moves” into your district for their senior year.

From what I have seen so far, it looks like giving the kids with the deck stacked against them a better chance to win and compete is helping their participation numbers which a really good thing in my book. Lots to learn by playing an organized team sport.

Spokane has the Hoop-town program taking over for AAU that is supposed to get kids on their neighborhood teams and have scholarships available so everyone can play. This will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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I've spoken with Mike Nilson a couple times and he has a good plan in place.

Convincing parents that loading up with the best 5th graders in town won't kill their D-1 schollie dreams is going to be a big mountain to climb. Affiliating AAU teams with neighborhood schools should make the younger levels more competitive and encourage participation.

I could write a novel on the ' joy' of running a same-school AAU program (hopefully the 'right' way) for over 10 years. Telling parents that their 5'7" fifth grade all-star wasn't going to be playing ahead of a 6'7"/6'9" kid on the varsity team became an annual event.
 
It’s come full circle for me. My daughter is a senior, and though I don’t think it’s as bad as for boys, there were plenty of girls who played on the All Star team as 4th or 5th graders who have really fizzled out and she’s just kept grinding away and is a really solid player. Today is win or go home day in the State bracket. Could be some tears shed from the Couginncw bc unless she decides she wants to play at a JC or D3, there will be no more games, ever.

Mike Nilson is a great guy btw, I need to get involved with his cause somehow.
 
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It’s come full circle for me. My daughter is a senior, and though I don’t think it’s as bad as for boys, there were plenty of girls who played on the All Star team as 4th or 5th graders who have really fizzled out and she’s just kept grinding away and is a really solid player. Today is win or go home day in the State bracket. Could be some tears shed from the Couginncw bc unless she decides she wants to play at a JC or D3, there will be no more games, ever.

Mike Nilson is a great guy btw, I need to get involved with his cause somehow.
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All the time, the miles, the coaching, that last game is brutal.
 
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All the time, the miles, the coaching, that last game is brutal.
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I am so not a fan of AAU and whatever else is out there. When I was a kid, we had little league in the summer, there was no AAU or soccer or anything. We went out and played like kids when the season ended. Football didn't happen until 8th grade.

By the time my kids started playing it had all gone awry. My son was actually pretty good at soccer, but because of various things he didn't play until JV in his sophomore year in HS. And his coach almost never played him. Why? because a clique of kids who had played AAU (or whatever) for years had the stage. Absolutely with the help and pressure of their parents on the coach. JV High School soccer. Aren't the kids supposed to play? When I played JV football, we had the best 11 on offense, the next best 11 on defense, and everybody else played on special teams. Everybody played.

Nowadays, even worse. I worked with a gal who would spend her entire summer traveling all over hell's half acre so her daughter could play AAU basketball. Hell, I bet they spent more on that than the scholarship money that I don't think the kid got.

All that said, I was a pretty good pitcher in baseball. HS, Legion. I had interest from a couple of CC's, Just not a fast enough fastball to make it big. So I hung it up and went on with my life and college. Nothing wrong with that. These kids and parents who invest their kids' entire childhood chasing some dream of sports success and get weeded out at the end? Absolutely no sympathy from this Coug. Get a F-ing life.
 
Observer11 said:
I've spoken with Mike Nilson a couple times and he has a good plan in place.

Convincing parents that loading up with the best 5th graders in town won't kill their D-1 schollie dreams is going to be a big mountain to climb. Affiliating AAU teams with neighborhood schools should make the younger levels more competitive and encourage participation.

I could write a novel on the ' joy' of running a same-school AAU program (hopefully the 'right' way) for over 10 years. Telling parents that their 5'7" fifth grade all-star wasn't going to be playing ahead of a 6'7"/6'9" kid on the varsity team became an annual event.
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As the great Macho Man Randy Savage said - "The cream will rise to the top, brother."

This AAU/year-round-one-sport-season bullshit is a machination of self-important, sycophantic hover parents who have convinced themselves that the only reason they didn't get their shot is that the resources weren't there, or "only if..' whatever, so they'll make damn sure little Jonny or Jenny is going to be seen by some coach at a directional state school so they can post how proud they are on facebook, and all the other sycophantic hover parents will come along and congratulate them on "their" great achievement.

Nobody is trying to shit on anyone's hard work or efforts, but can we temper the pride with Jonny getting his first catch as a senior off the bench in garbage time while playing at NW South Dakota State School of Minecraft?
 
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The theory being that schools with a large percentage of free/reduced lunch kids don't have the same economic access to trainers and travel teams and such - and therefore, aren't competitive against the big and powerful 3A and 4A powers.

Which is partially true - but doesn't also address things like recruiting and open enrollment.

I recall one year where Rogers essentially lost their entire starting five to Shadle Park because AAU buddies wanted to stick together. A lot of GPrep athletes live in the Rogers attendance district.

For quite a while Rogers was a 4A school but could barely field enough kids to practice in football. Consequently, they were involved in a lot of running clock contests.

It's probably as good a metric as any to assign classifications. Rogers, for instance, is more competitive than they have been in recent times.
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It's pretty bad on the west side of the state with recruiting. The Catholic schools over here dominate football because they are able to recruit their team, but it's at a point where Eastside, O'Dea, Kennedy, Bishop Blanchette, Archbishop Murphy, Seattle Prep, Bellarmine just form their own league instead of poaching for the lower income schools.

Basketball it seems that the "known schools" continue to just get kids that choose to attend because if your in a district you can attend a district school, just have to provide your own transportation, you won't get bus service so schools like Federal, Auburn, Rainer Beach, Garfield just load up with talent that probably should be going to other schools in the district.

WIAA is ran by clowns that have no control over what's going on. They allow the big schools to do what they want. There is a reason why you see pretty much all the same schools in the playoffs for all sports.
 
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Observer11 said:
The theory being that schools with a large percentage of free/reduced lunch kids don't have the same economic access to trainers and travel teams and such - and therefore, aren't competitive against the big and powerful 3A and 4A powers.

Which is partially true - but doesn't also address things like recruiting and open enrollment.

I recall one year where Rogers essentially lost their entire starting five to Shadle Park because AAU buddies wanted to stick together. A lot of GPrep athletes live in the Rogers attendance district.

For quite a while Rogers was a 4A school but could barely field enough kids to practice in football. Consequently, they were involved in a lot of running clock contests.

It's probably as good a metric as any to assign classifications. Rogers, for instance, is more competitive than they have been in recent times.
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On the girls side of 3A about 7 years ago West Seattle girls liked their AAU coach. Next thing you know four of the kids "transferred in". One of the transfers didnt win state her first three years at W Seattle, and they lost four starters she moves to Garfield and won state a couple years back. (over Lake Washington and one of my daughters AAU coaches)

Eastside Catholic had four freshman come in two years ago I think that were supposed to win it all. Two players from Pierce County.

Not sure why the elite AAU players just don't play during the high school season. No coaches are watching. Just hang out with your buddies and let high school players be high school players.
 
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The WIAA is just slightly better than the Chinese Communist Party in my book. Bunch of rubes.

And it doesn't help much when the respective school districts want to stab interscholastic sports to death.

I once had a high ranking District 81 administrator tell me to my face that sports have no business being in the schools and kids should just play on club teams. The guy standing next to me (father of a former WSU African American athlete) almost choked her out. Essentially told the administrator that was the most elitist, disrespectful thing he'd ever heard. How are kids living below the poverty level supposed to pay for 'travel' teams?

Became quite entertaining when another parent who is worth more money than god (litigation attorney) double teamed the administrator.

The district didn't kill 9th grade sports that night.
 
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